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Didn't get a chance to read the rest, so if this has been posted, I apologize.

If they are forced to change, make it Indians. They change that, make it Braves. They change that, make it The Tribe.

The most diverse and in-depth study was the one that found MOST Native Americans do not mind it. How about the ones who will feel insulted if they DO change it? :doh:

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Unfortunately, I think the snowball has turned into an avalanche and every person wanting attention/power has hopped on board. I think the team will have their name changed by next year.

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all you guys who think they should change the name need to not watch football ever again or your words are just air. If you are still watching the team or league you're an intellectual hypocrite.

I'm not meaning to insult you,just typing an example of what should take place as an argument if you mean it

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1074374]Unfortunately, I think the snowball has turned into an avalanche and every person wanting attention/power has hopped on board. I think the team will have their name changed by next year.[/quote]

So the big thing for a Dan Snyder at this point is that if Fans get any whiff that the name is going to change, I would think merchandise sales for anything with "Redskins" written on it will come to a screeching halt.

That's bad for business!

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[quote=ram29jackson;1074375]all you guys who think they should change the name need to not watch football ever again or your words are just air. If you are still watching the team or league your an intellectual hypocrite.

I'm not meaning to insult you,just typing an example of what should take place as an argument if you mean it[/quote]

Yes, because we should always boycott something because of one thing we don't agree with. I don't agree with the Chick-fil-A's chief operating officer's stance on gay marriage, but I'll still eat a spicy chicken sandwich. I don't like the n-bomb, but I'm not tossing my Illmatic CD in the bin. I don't agree with most of Aaron Sorkin's political diatribes, but I won't stop watching Newsroom.

Tell you what- all you guys who think beating a woman in an elevator and dragging her out by her hair is bad need to not watch football ever again or your words are just air. If you are still watching the league, you are an intellectual hypocrite.

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[quote=scowan;1074376]So the big thing for a Dan Snyder at this point is that if Fans get any whiff that the name is going to change, I would think merchandise sales for anything with "Redskins" written on it will come to a screeching halt.

That's bad for business![/quote]

Actually, wouldn't be the opposite? I'm sure people are going to want to buy Redskins merchandise as collectible items.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1074378]Actually, wouldn't be the opposite? I'm sure people are going to want to buy Redskins merchandise as collectible items.[/quote]

Maybe, but I already have several pieces of Redskins merchandise because I am a fan. I am not going to buy anything else with Redskins on it if the team is about to change names. I see how it could work both ways however.

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[quote=scowan;1074379]Maybe, but I already have several pieces of Redskins merchandise because I am a fan. I am not going to buy anything else with Redskins on it if the team is about to change names. I see how it could work both ways however.[/quote]

buy me some then.

Large- in t shirts

7 and 1/2 in caps/hats

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/06/19/chris-cooley-ridicules-name-change-effort-says-hes-now-protesting-the-chargers/]Chris Cooley ridicules name-change effort, says he’s now protesting the Chargers - The Washington Post[/url]

This issue is so ridiculous. If they are going to go against our trademark our name because of it offending people, then why not start a fire storm where every team name offends somebody. *SMH*

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Can't remember where I saw it, but someone said to keep the name and change the logo to a redskin potato. A spud with a feather sticking out of it. I thought it was funny and a possible loophole.

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[quote=ram29jackson;1074375]all you guys who think they should change the name need to not watch football ever again or your words are just air. If you are still watching the team or league [B]your an intellectual [/B]hypocrite.

I'm not meaning to insult you,just typing an example of what should take place as an argument if you mean it[/quote]

Anyone else pick up on the irony? #you're

To echo what others have said, my emotional attachment to the team goes beyond the name. I honestly don't care what they're called it's not that serious to me. I've been a fan since '81 and if they are called the Redskins, Redfins, Redmins or whatever, it won't impact how fervently I am rooting for a win each and every time they step onto the field.

I lean towards a name change for 2 simple reasons, primarily because I believe it's the right thing to based on if there is a group that's being offended. Secondarily because I'm tired of the debate and our team name and reputation getting bandied about on each side of things. I wish we could just focus on football for once.

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[quote=itvnetop;1074367]Interestingly enough, there was a thread regarding the word "jap" on this very board almost 10 years ago to the day. Bill Parcells said the following:

"Mike wants the defense to do well, and Sean, he's going to have a few ... no disrespect for the Orientals, but what we call Jap plays. OK. Surprise things."

.[/quote]


Why were you offended ?

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[quote=Giantone;1074384]Why were you offended ?[/quote]

How are you not?

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[quote=Paintrain;1074383]Anyone else pick up on the irony? #you're

To echo what others have said, my emotional attachment to the team goes beyond the name. I honestly don't care what they're called it's not that serious to me. I've been a fan since '81 and if they are called the Redskins, Redfins, Redmins or whatever, it won't impact how fervently I am rooting for a win each and every time they step onto the field.

I lean towards a name change for 2 simple reasons, primarily because I believe it's the right thing to based on if there is a group that's being offended. Secondarily because I'm tired of the debate and our team name and reputation getting bandied about on each side of things. I wish we could just focus on football for once.[/quote]

LOL ok, [B]you are[/B] a spelling and grammar Nazi

:silly:

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[quote=Lilman52;1074381][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/06/19/chris-cooley-ridicules-name-change-effort-says-hes-now-protesting-the-chargers/]Chris Cooley ridicules name-change effort, says he’s now protesting the Chargers - The Washington Post[/url]

This issue is so ridiculous. If they are going to go against our trademark our name because of it offending people, then why not start a fire storm where every team name offends somebody. *SMH*[/quote]

I was amused by Cooley's comments about being him offended by the Charger's name, but that situation would be quite a bit different than someone offended by "Redskins."

Also, they shouldn't have said some of the things they said, especially in such a public setting. Some of their comments will do nothing but add fuel to the fire.

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Change the name to Washington Generals and have the Harlem Globetrotters come to town to kick the crap out of us week in and week out.

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[url=http://es.redskins.com/topic/365985-the-official-es-redskins-name-change-thread-all-things-related-to-changing-the-teams-name-go-here/page-141]The Official ES Redskins Name Change Thread---All Things Related to Changing the Team's Name Go Here - Page 141 - The Tailgate - Extremeskins[/url]


[QUOTE][B]Shredmojo [/B]

Okay, I just wanted to add my opinion.



First off, I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card, which by no means makes me an expert on Native American affairs or opinions, I did however grow up on an Indian reservation(Osage County in Oklahoma)



I also spent 10 years living in Tahlequah, Oklahoma. Which is the Capitol of the Cherokee tribe(well ONE of the Cherokee tribes). Needless to say I have been around countless Native Americans from almost all the tribes my entire life. I have always proudly supported my teams colors, and never given a thought to term Redskins being offensive. I've NEVER had anyone, other than white people recently, tell me that its offensive.



Oklahoma football has a long history of Indian mascots, even a professional team in the 1920s "Hominy Indians" who beat the New York Giants. The Union Redskins(suburb of Tulsa) are one of the most dominant 6A High School football teams in the state every year.



Basically my point, as a Redskin fan hearing about how offensive our teams name is to Indians. I feel I'm kind of at Ground Zero here in Oklahoma.....And I've yet to meet a Native American that cares what our name is. Honestly I've meet some that wore the colors/logos just for the Indian representation and didn't even watch football.



Also, keep in mind when you see things like the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma finds the name offensive, so that must mean the 189,000 members of that tribe find it offensive.



No. Just because the Tribal Government issues a statement doesn't mean that is "the view" of that tribe. It's all just politics.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=itvnetop;1074385]How are you not?[/quote]


Because I have more important things in life to be worried about than to wast time being offended by a word.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1074390]Because I have more important things in life to be worried about than to wast time being offended by a word.[/quote]

Yes- because being offended by a word takes too much of our brain space to process other information. It takes me a half a second to refrain from using a pejorative and another to speak up if I don't like it. Hardly enough to prevent me from my responsibilities.

I won't delve into how words shape communication, culture and influence- there's no point in discussing this if people think words have no power. (There's a reason why the Civil Rights movement came to pass- great leaders emboldened masses of people with words. Some German guy also used words to dehumanize an entire group. Ugh- Godwin strikes again).

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lol for no particular reason...

[IMG]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5042/5383778152_c6264e032e_o.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=itvnetop;1074391]Yes- because being offended by a word takes too much of our brain space to process other information. It takes me a half a second to refrain from using a pejorative and another to speak up if I don't like it. Hardly enough to prevent me from my responsibilities.

I won't delve into how words shape communication, culture and influence- there's no point in discussing this if people think words have no power. (There's a reason why the Civil Rights movement came to pass- great leaders emboldened masses of people with words. Some German guy also used words to dehumanize an entire group. Ugh- Godwin strikes again).[/quote]

But wait a minute. You still support and listen to artists who use the n-word. If you're this spirited about the name "Redskins" and compare it to the n-word, and you say your offended, you wouldn't support that artist and you wouldn't support a team who uses the name. If I'm offended about something, it makes me angry to even hear about it. I don't want to hear it, see it, touch it, taste it...I don't want it around me at all. If I "tolerate" it in my entertainment, I'm not offended. It's as simple as that.

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Does the current usage of the word "Redskins" mean anything at all?

It's us, the football team and fans, for crying out loud.

You want to go after the people using it as a slur, go after the Hollywood fat cats with the rights to all those old movies that started using "Redskins" pejoratively. Instead of the millions of people that cheer the word as a symbol to look up to.

F-in PC idiots.

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[quote=skinsguy;1074393]But wait a minute. You still support and listen to artists who use the n-word. If you're this spirited about the name "Redskins" and compare it to the n-word, and you say your offended, you wouldn't support that artist and you wouldn't support a team who uses the name. If I'm offended about something, it makes me angry to even hear about it. I don't want to hear it, see it, touch it, taste it...I don't want it around me at all. If I "tolerate" it in my entertainment, I'm not offended. It's as simple as that.[/quote]

Please re-read my stance on boycotting. Another example- not a fan of Orson Scott Card's personal beliefs and public statements. Huge fan of Ender's Game. Wagner was one hell of a composer despite being an unapologetic anti-Semite. Mel Gibson's drunken rants? Don't tell me some of you aren't disgusted by his words, yet still watch his films. Separate the art from the artist. A song's message from its offensive content. A team from its nickname. It's the same way I can dance to "Ain't No Fun" in a club without stomping off the floor because of its misogynist (yes, offensive) lyrics.

Although I see the word Redskin as an offensive label, I tolerate it because I don't define the team I root for by its mascot or nickname. Being from the DMV area ties me to this team. I understand not everyone weighs the word equally right now. Just like how the n-bomb was part of everyday vernacular not so long ago, it took a few decades for the word to become universally rejected (despite some who say there are more important things to worry about than such words). But with sentiment quickly growing, right now will be tomorrow's misstep. Our future generations will wonder how exactly this name stuck around for so long.

I'll still be supporting this team after the name switches. For everyone holding on to the name for dear life- will you?

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Look kids [URL="http://youtu.be/6_W_xLWtNa0?t=50s"]Shy Ronnie[/URL] (aka Harry Reid) strikes again.
[YT]6_W_xLWtNa0[/YT]

June 18, 2014
[URL="http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/harry-reid-patent-office-washington-redskins-trademark/2014/06/18/id/577855/"]Reid on Stripped Redskins' Trademark: 'The Name Will Change'[/URL]

May 27, 2014
[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/harry-reid-net-neutrality_n_5399227.html"]Harry Reid Speaks Softly On Net Neutrality[/URL]

June 4, 2014
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/06/04/why-liberals-are-singling-out-harry-reid-over-net-neutrality/"]Why liberals are singling out Harry Reid over net neutrality - The Washington Post[/URL]

Those are the newest stories I can find for [URL="https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=fflb&noj=1&biw=960&bih=472&tbm=nws&q=harry+reid+net+neutrality&oq=harry+reid+net+neutrality&gs_l=serp.3...261955.263837.0.264029.15.8.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.47.serp..15.0.0.8oUu4xE2O0c"]Harry Reid Net Neutrality[/URL]. Guy has PLENTY to say about the Redskins but won't waste a single breath to fight for Net Neutrality. Then again the guy has been bought and paid for by Comcast

[url=http://freebeacon.com/blog/comcast-is-buying-our-democracy-and-harry-reid-doesnt-care-because-hes-already-been-bought/]Comcast is Buying Our Democracy (And Harry Reid Doesn’t Care Because He’s Already Been Bought) | Washington Free Beacon[/url]
[QUOTE]Comcast is the [URL="http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00009922&cycle=2014"]fifth largest contributor[/URL] to Reid’s campaign committee in the current cycle. The majority leader has received $76,550 from Comcast employees, and $23,000 from the company’s political action committees. He’s [URL="http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/include/lobbyists_pop.php?cycle=2014&id=N00009922&org=Comcast+Corp&mem=Harry+Reid&type=I"]received[/URL] an additional $101,350 from Comcast lobbyists and their family members. That includes $5,800 from Comcast [URL="http://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php?id=70139"]lobbyist[/URL] Waldo McMillan, a former Reid aide.[/QUOTE]

Look if he wants to take on the Redskins name and genuinely believes it to be offensive then fine I can at least respect that. However softly having your spokesman, not you but your spokesman, allude to your past support in the middle of the biggest internet crisis since SOPA is flat out pathetic.

Honestly I never paid Harry much mind and just figured him a punching bag for neocons but I at least see now where they're coming from.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1074396]

Look if he wants to take on the Redskins name and genuinely believes it to be offensive then fine I can at least respect that. However softly having your spokesman, not you but your spokesman, allude to your past support in the middle of the biggest internet crisis since SOPA is flat out pathetic.

Honestly I never paid Harry much mind and just figured him a punching bag for neocons but I at least see now where they're coming from.[/quote]

Oh I totally understand the threat to net neutrality is real, dangerous and not being taken seriously by most users of the Internet. These multi-page threads regarding the team name has to do with being on a forum dedicated to said team. Reddit has some very good discussions on net neutrality (not to mention a more balanced debate regarding the team name ;)

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[url=http://m.naturalnews.com/news/045618_Native_Americans_state_names_Redskins.html]Federal government orders 20 U.S. states to change their names after Indian words deemed 'offensive' to Native Americans[/url]

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Can we just change our name to a symbol and be known as "the football team formerly known as the Redskins?"

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1074400][url=http://m.naturalnews.com/news/045618_Native_Americans_state_names_Redskins.html]Federal government orders 20 U.S. states to change their names after Indian words deemed 'offensive' to Native Americans[/url][/quote]

Mike Adams absolutely kills it here.

LOL all these years later and NOW the government cares about Native Americans. :doh:

Too bad they don't put their money where their mouths are and actually help them out in a meaningful way.

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[url=http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/06/19/watch-washington-redskins-trademark-attorney-talks-to-glenn-about-latest-ruling/]WATCH: Washington Redskins attorney talks to Glenn about latest ruling – Glenn Beck[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1074405][url=http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/06/19/watch-washington-redskins-trademark-attorney-talks-to-glenn-about-latest-ruling/]WATCH: Washington Redskins attorney talks to Glenn about latest ruling – Glenn Beck[/url][/quote]

he avoided the origin of the team name but that is unimportant to the so called case

[QUOTE=itvnetop;1074395]Please re-read my stance on boycotting. Another example- not a fan of Orson Scott Card's personal beliefs and public statements. Huge fan of Ender's Game. Wagner was one hell of a composer despite being an unapologetic anti-Semite. Mel Gibson's drunken rants? Don't tell me some of you aren't disgusted by his words, yet still watch his films. Separate the art from the artist. A song's message from its offensive content. A team from its nickname. It's the same way I can dance to "Ain't No Fun" in a club without stomping off the floor because of its misogynist (yes, offensive) lyrics.

Although I see the word Redskin as an offensive label, I tolerate it because I don't define the team I root for by its mascot or nickname. Being from the DMV area ties me to this team. I understand not everyone weighs the word equally right now. Just like how the n-bomb was part of everyday vernacular not so long ago, it took a few decades for the word to become universally rejected (despite some who say there are more important things to worry about than such words). But with sentiment quickly growing, right now will be tomorrow's misstep. Our future generations will wonder how exactly this name stuck around for so long.

I'll still be supporting this team after the name switches. For everyone holding on to the name for dear life- will you?[/QUOTE]

To me it's not about holding on for dear life, it's about coming to a reasonable conclusion.

The way I see it from everything I have read is no on really is 100% on the origin of the word redskin. Half would have you believe the natives used it as an identifier themselves. The other half would lead you to believe it is because natives were hunted and skinned like animals.

For me I had thought of the name as nothing more than a name. Much like the Braves, Chiefs, Indians, Seminoles and so on. And yes in a way I think in some way naming a team after a certain group shows respect. Look at the Seminoles for example, I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure everything they do is in conjunction with the Seminole tribe. They have a guy in war paint come on the field riding a horse and throw a spear to start the games. No one seems to lose any sleep over that.

After hearing Amanda Blackhorse speak I now understand more of where she is coming from. I feel that she, and as a whole the group she represents, don't whole heartily deep down think Redskins is anywhere close to the n word. I get the impression that what molded her mind was actually seeing belligerent fans dressed in tacky Indian head dresses and gear. Which is something I can actually understand. Seeing someone stumbling through a parking lot wasted dressed up as an Indian Chief would be very disturbing to a Native American.

Given all that I can understand why a portion of the native community would want the Redskins and all other Native American mascots removed. But I don't think I will ever buy into the word Redskin being anywhere close to equal with the n word. A word that if I even typed it out I would probably get back lash. That word has so much hate behind it and was meant as hateful word to lessen someone. I would hate to give the word Redskin that power.

So my wishful thinking would be to have more education about Natives and the everyday situations that they face. Maybe a little education could help teach people to respect the Native American culture instead if making it disappear from popular culture. Because if we keep going down this uber PC road where does it stop? Say we rename the team the Warriors, which seems to be leading the clubhouse at the moment. What happens in another 15 years when people look at war in a much different light. Could Warriors not even be PC enough for the long haul?

At the end of the day I'm a Redskins fan, and a football fan. If they change the name I'll still follow the team, but I really don't think it will ever be the same. I really hope somehow we can keep the name, and both sides can be happy, but as it seems with everything else in the world these days, doesn't look like there's much middle ground in this debate.

[QUOTE=ram29jackson;1074409]he avoided the origin of the team name but that is unimportant to the so called case[/QUOTE]

I don't know if he avoided it, as much as he didn't want to speak on something he did not have much knowledge on. I feel like the origin of the word Redskin varies in history from tribe to tribe. Different stories pasted down based on different experiences and treatment. There were so many different tribes here in America spread all over the country. They all had different experiences with the first settlers they encountered. So they all have a vastly different tribal history. Something that really doesn't get talked about all that often.

Just google the origin of Redskin, it's not an open and shut case as many would be led to believe.

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[quote=Mattyk;1074403]LOL all these years later and NOW the government cares about Native Americans. :doh:

Too bad they don't put their money where their mouths are and actually help them out in a meaningful way.[/quote]

Another way of looking at it:

Too bad that once they get the name changed (assuming for a minute they do) that their crusade to care about the native americans will stop.

I get sticking up for people that are offended. I have no trouble with that. What I don't get is the need to falsely align yourself with some 'greater good' in such a transparent way. You don't need to pretend to be a crusader to make your opinion on the matter heard. All it does is make you look phony.

The number of people claiming moral outrage yet contributing 0 (zero) to actually help is astounding. I specifically like those that own redskins gear, wear redskins gear, cheer for the redskins, and attend redskins games standing on their moral high horse talking about how morally outraged they are.

They're right up there with the ones making their living covering the team they claim is such a moral hazard t our society.

Strong morals those ones have....

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As I have previously stated... I literally will never... Buy and any other merchandize under any other name or logo... I will simply get new players and such from black market sources and the internet. I will forever rep the R ... And the redskins and all the logos we have come to love. To me this hurts the heart and is truly ridiculous after allllllll these years. FUCK off to everyone involved honestly. Long live the Washington Redskins

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Id like to hear Donald Sterlings take on this issue.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1074426]

For me I had thought of the name as nothing more than a name. Much like the Braves, Chiefs, Indians, Seminoles and so on. And yes in a way I think in some way naming a team after a certain group shows respect. Look at the Seminoles for example, I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure everything they do is in conjunction with the Seminole tribe. They have a guy in war paint come on the field riding a horse and throw a spear to start the games. No one seems to lose any sleep over that.

After hearing Amanda Blackhorse speak I now understand more of where she is coming from. I feel that she, and as a whole the group she represents, don't whole heartily deep down think Redskins is anywhere close to the n word. I get the impression that what molded her mind was actually seeing belligerent fans dressed in tacky Indian head dresses and gear. Which is something I can actually understand. Seeing someone stumbling through a parking lot wasted dressed up as an Indian Chief would be very disturbing to a Native American.

Given all that I can understand why a portion of the native community would want the Redskins and all other Native American mascots removed. But I don't think I will ever buy into the word Redskin being anywhere close to equal with the n word. A word that if I even typed it out I would probably get back lash. That word has so much hate behind it and was meant as hateful word to lessen someone. I would hate to give the word Redskin that power.

So my wishful thinking would be to have more education about Natives and the everyday situations that they face. Maybe a little education could help teach people to respect the Native American culture instead if making it disappear from popular culture. Because if we keep going down this uber PC road where does it stop? Say we rename the team the Warriors, which seems to be leading the clubhouse at the moment. What happens in another 15 years when people look at war in a much different light. Could Warriors not even be PC enough for the long haul?

At the end of the day I'm a Redskins fan, and a football fan. If they change the name I'll still follow the team, but I really don't think it will ever be the same. I really hope somehow we can keep the name, and both sides can be happy, but as it seems with everything else in the world these days, doesn't look like there's much middle ground in this debate.[/quote]

Good post. The caricatures of a drunken bro wearing head dresses with a tomahawk in one hand and a beer in the other would rankle most people's feathers.

I understand your fear of a slippery slope. I just don't think this particular word is something that became offensive all of a sudden. The discussion is reaching an apex now, but there's been at least some dissidence for quite some time.

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To me an offensive word is obvious right after it stated. Kinda wierd people are debating because we arent sure if it is or not.

What word is next?

Its also really strange banning the n word on the field has gotten push back, but the word Redskins seems more offensive.

Something is seriously wrong with this country and I think the media has something to do with it.

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[quote=tshile;1074429]Another way of looking at it:


The number of people claiming moral outrage yet contributing 0 (zero) to actually help is astounding. I specifically like those that own redskins gear, wear redskins gear, cheer for the redskins, and attend redskins games standing on their moral high horse talking about how morally outraged they are.


Strong morals those ones have....[/quote]

Believing something is fundamentally wrong doesn't mean you have to go and join the Peace Corps to help save the poor tribes in New Guinea.

Merch and ticket sales are shared throughout the league, so trying to hurt the individual team monetarily doesn't necessarily work. I personally don't wear anything with the name or mascot.

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reasonable minds can certainly disagree on this issue.

i think there are 3 camps:

1- people who want the name to stay
2 - people who want the name to change
3 - people who are not personally offended by the name and support and sport the name but wouldnt put up to much of a fight to change the name if native americans are truly offended

im in camp 3.

this discussion has certainly expanded my mind with some great posts and thoughts from both sides.

i highly recommend listening to Amanda Blackhorse's interview on the junkies to put a voice to the native american dissent.