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[quote=Ruhskins;1082976]I don't know if I called that super reckless...he landed on his foot in an odd way. If he lands okay, he probably doesn't get injured. But oh well.[/quote]

When he takes of running he has taken lots of hits because he wants to do it all.

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[quote=WillH;1082971]I have been firmly in the RG3 camp since the 2 were drafted, because he's talented and showed us so his rookie year, he seems like a good leader, we gave up a lot for him, and well he was our starting QB.

From day 1 though, with RG3, I held my breath on every play. And to be honest with myself, I have never seen a high profile player on this team EVER that was as fragile.

Maybe it is psychological because Cousins came at less of a price, but today I felt confident. I wasn't bracing for the hit every play. HE didn't seem to be either. He stood tall and confident, he made his reads, and delivered the ball quickly, accurately, and on time.

I think we all knew that he was the better pocket passer at this point, and surprise surprise it was Griffin going back to his run-first style that led to his injury (freak and flukey as it may have been) rather than sticking to their guns and developing him as a pocket passer.

Griffins young, and he has talent, so I don't want to count him out yet, but if Cousins keeps putting up the numbers he did today, I'm ready move on. Not that I have to be in the camp of 1 player or another, but we all know there is no room for 2 starting QBs on any team, and I just want to win.

I felt sick for Robert (I like him, he has good character), but then I finally exhaled and enjoyed good football without high blood pressure for the first time since these two were drafted, and I could totally get used to that.[/quote]

Good post.

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Yeah, scary thing is, RG3 keeps finding new ways to get injured.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1082978]When he takes of running he has taken lots of hits because he wants to do it all.[/quote]

He was running well today, so I was focusing on that. Didn't think that was "super reckless" or anything like that. I mean he converted a first down on that pass. As I said, if his foot doesn't land in an odd way, there's prob no injury. But like I said, oh well.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1082982]Yeah, scary thing is, RG3 keeps finding new ways to get injured.[/quote]

Starting to think he might be like McNabb where there would be no one around him and he would still find a way to hurt himself.

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I've said I like Gruden, but his press conference was handled very well. So many RGIII questions - some unnamed coaches would not handle that gracefully.

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Rolling out is now reckless. Got it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1082988]Rolling out is now reckless. Got it.[/quote]

Rolling out is not reckless, but going for the extra yardage with no regards because you think you are better and then get pounded, that is.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1082986]I've said I like Gruden, but his press conference was handled very well. So many RGIII questions - some unnamed coaches would not handle that gracefully.[/quote]

Yeah, that said, if they had lost, there would have been a lot of dumber questions directed at him like:

"Do you think that Robert running the ball had to do with the injury?"
"Who's decision was it for Robert to run the ball?"
"Did Dan Snyder want you to get back to Robert running the ball more, was it your game plan, or was Robert acting on his own?"

Well, actually maybe some of these questions should be asked, along with, was the field condition part of the reason?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1082990]Rolling out is not reckless, but going for the extra yardage with no regards because you think you are better and then get pounded, that is.[/quote]

But that didn't happened. He jumped to throw a pass (which was a 1st down) and landed awkwardly on his left foot. It's not like RG3 was knocked out.

I mean that's like me saying that DJax made an extra effort and got hurt for doing that. Even though he got hurt because he had a guy on top of him.

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Just to be clear, I wasn't saying he was being reckless, I know that was very flukey, and fundamentally he did not "expose" himself to injury. That said, I think if you can operate from the pocket, those kind of things are less likely to happen, which is why we all have been saying he needed to develop that skill set. It's just disappointing to see any progress in that direction wiped out by the very thing they were supposed to be getting away from. Coincidence? Yes. Completely unrelated? Not so sure.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1082993]But that didn't happened. He jumped to throw a pass (which was a 1st down) and landed awkwardly on his left foot. It's not like RG3 was knocked out.

I mean that's like me saying that DJax made an extra effort and got hurt for doing that. Even though he got hurt because he had a guy on top of him.[/quote]

I know, but he reverted to his old style of play going 200 miles and hour. I thought he was supposed to be learning to be a pocket QB. He should not be playing like this especially after the 2nd knee injury, he shouldn't be coddled but they also need to be careful and not pull a Shanahan. He is/was the franchise.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1082995]I know, but he reverted to his old style of play going 200 miles and hour. I thought he was supposed to be learning to be a pocket QB. He should not be playing like this especially after the 2nd knee injury, he shouldn't be coddled but they also need to be careful and not pull a Shanahan. He is/was the franchise.[/quote]

He tried to be a pocket QB during the preseason and the first game, and it didn't work. Honestly, we needed a 2012 RG3 that knew when to slide; and IMO up until he got hurt, we seemed to have that.

If RG3 had been knocked the F out, I would have agreed with you. Dude got hurt b/c he landed awkwardly on his foot, I think that could have happened to many QBs.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1082976]I don't know if I called that super reckless...he landed on his foot in an odd way. If he lands okay, he probably doesn't get injured. But oh well.[/quote]

This. The pocket collapsed, I honestly have no idea how people wouldn't expect a mobile quarterback to bail when he's in imminent danger of being sacked. It looked like a freak injury to me. I just hope he will still be decent when he comes back.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1082996][B]He tried to be a pocket QB during the preseason and the first game, and it didn't work. Honestly, we needed a 2012 RG3 that [/B]knew when to slide; and IMO up until he got hurt, we seemed to have that.

If RG3 had been knocked the F out, I would have agreed with you. Dude got hurt b/c he landed awkwardly on his foot, I think that could have happened to many QBs.[/quote]

This I don't agree with. Becoming a pocket passer was essential for him, and that was because running with the ball exposes you to injury. Could this have happened to any QB? Yeah, sure, but the more a QB rolls out and jumps in the air to complete a throw the more likely he is to be injured. There's just no arguing against that.

That said, I was hoping they were just sprinkling in some of those read options and bootlegs so the D stayed honest. Which, very likely was the case. I really doubt they were going completely back to 2012.

I just still feel that I would have rather gone through the growing pains of RG3 becoming a pocket passer, and not gone to the safety blanket because people were impatient. I don't know, hindsight is 20/20, but I don't think it is outrageous to say, he was less likely to get hurt if they stuck to pocket passing. Oh well, we will never know.

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BTW, I did think it was completely baller (and freakishly athletic) of him to complete that pass in the air, after dislocating his ankle.

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[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/redskins_reportedly_hope_rg3_will_only_miss_4_5_weeks/17281736]Redskins reportedly hope RG3 will only miss 4-5 weeks[/url]

Not buying it, but you can hope.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1082961]Separate question, anyone surprised that the Jags didn't put in Bortles? If they knew our history against backups they would have found any excuse to put him in![/quote]

That and rookie QBs, but behind that line he might have gotten the David Carr treatment.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1082975]The problem with RGIII is that he is very competitive and plays with a reckless style, he didn't play in a pro style offense in college and for him playing in the pocket is a learning process. Today he reverted to his reckless style of play and got hurt.[/quote]Griffin made two outstanding passes from the pocket - the bomb to Jackson, and a 19 yarder up the seam to Paul. On the play he was injured, it was a called bootleg rollout, and he planted his foot at an awkward angle avoiding the LB. How is any of that reverting to reckless play? He didn't even take a hit. I call that bad luck, and I'm thankful to have a competent backup on the roster.

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Yea its a shame 3 went down like that. He was lookin like himself. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTz7tRIWfFA[/url] the reason we never gave up on him. In 2012 nobody was nicer than rg. Kaep, wilson, luck, outshined his whole rookie class.

But things happen, bad luck happens. Glad Shanny did us one favor beside a division title/playoff appearance... He drafted the Captain.

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Only thing i keep thinking about Griff is how awkward he is. Its weird. He is an unbelievable athlete, but when he is running, jumping, sliding, it is awkward as hell. He has these unnatural motions that a non athlete would have. He is fast but so not graceful. Andrew Luck made a similar bootleg jump pass last week and looked like Derek Jeter fielding a ball and making the throw to first all in one motion. Griff tries it and lands funny and hurts his ankle. Wtf?

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[QUOTE][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/09/14/orthopedic-specialists-estimate-griffin-out-eight-weeks-to-full-season/]Orthopedic specialists estimate Griffin out eight weeks to full season[/url]

"[three orthopedic specialists guess that] ...Griffin will likely miss eight weeks under the rosiest scenario, and all season under the bleakest. ...

...Dr. Dan Pereles, USA Rugby’s team orthopedic surgeon and medical consultant to the PGA Tour, has treated athletes with ankle dislocations and said those that don’t include a fracture of at least some bone are rare.

....Dr. Mark Adickes, who did Griffin’s original anterior cruciate ligament repair, said he hadn’t seen any of the results but said that “chances are nearly 100 percent that there is also a fracture,” which will not be known until the MRI exam is done.

Adickes says if there is a fracture, that’s almost better because there will be less ligament damage and then the ankle must be re-set and the bone must heal. Even so, the doctor predicts a four-month recovery time at the minimum, and that precedes rehabilitation work to restore range of motion and explosiveness.

Adickes said “I think it’s very unlikely he plays again this season
[/QUOTE]


Didn't see this posted but we'll find out tomorrow. Looks like it's likely Cousin's team for the year, although RG3 always tries to rush things back..

Of course, remember -- he's superhuman.

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I love RGIII and truly believe he has the skills and the brain to lead us to the Super Bowl but he has become damaged goods. I pray he will shut these haters up but now I am backing number 8 bc he is now QB1

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[quote=WillH;1083001]BTW, I did think it was completely baller (and freakishly athletic) of him to complete that pass in the air, after dislocating his ankle.[/quote]

Absolutely. That was ridiculous!

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Positives:
Love to see the next-man-up mentality and it work. Not just Cousins, but across the board with all the injuries.

Defense looked great. It was the Jags, so I'm not convinced they're a top 5 defense yet, but it was a good confidence builder for a team that needed one.

Our punter has a huge leg.

We have a punt returner that doesn't suck.

Jags defense was supposed to be their strong point, our offense was able to do whatever they wanted including run the ball at will.

No turnovers.

Good play calling.

Amerson is a beast. This will be on the good column more often than not all season.

Trent Ronbinson is a stud. Maybe not ready for full time safety duty, but he's a young guy worth paying attention to any time he gets playing time on defense.

Negatives:
Injuries. There were many of them and it's hard to watch, especially when Griffin started out looking so well and really needed to get his confidence back.

Trent Williams penalty - from where I sat it looked like an equipment problem and the ref flagged him for removing his helmet? Not really sure what happened there.

Hall penalty - I was coming around on Hall and then he does stupid crap like this. He needs to grow up. Hopefully he wont be needed next year and we'll be watching two young guys in Amerson and Breeland take over.

Rambo is awful. Not shocking, he's not only not a smart player but he's a dumb player. Dumb penalties, bad angles, lost in coverage. The story of his career to date, including preseason. All mental issues. You can't fix that, unfortunately. Waste of a pick. I want to believe otherwise, but watching him get two personal fouls for late hits in his rookie preseason game showed me he doesn't have the intelligence to play at this level. He's done nothing but continue to prove that's the case...

Forbath did't do one of the kick offs - do we have a problem at this position? What is going on here...

Niles Paul - for all his good play, he just has an issue with shining in big moments... he seems to, pardon the pun, drop the ball...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1082975]The problem with RGIII is that he is very competitive and plays with a reckless style, he didn't play in a pro style offense in college and for him playing in the pocket is a learning process. Today he reverted to his reckless style of play and got hurt.[/quote]

RGIII did nothing "reckless" yesterday. The problem is not that he put himself in harm's way.

The problem is that he is the unluckiest dude around, or he is made of glass, or both.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1082844]I myself wonder what they will do with him - I think he might be around another year but it wouldn't surprise me if they try and trade him, especially if Cousins plays well and we have a good season.

I understand that they invested alot in him, traded away the future, etc... but draft picks and/or trades go bad all the time. We have always sort of been "cursed" with the number one pick....[/quote]

I guess the Skins could try to trade him but I cant imagine that he has much trade value.

I do think that Skins fans have to accept the fact that the player RG3 was in his rookie year is never coming back. He will come back from this injury but I dont ever see him being that dynamic player he once was ever again.

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As I Sat Euphorically seeing the Skins win in convincing fashion, that is something that we have not done in so long! so long that My 13 Year old son said "it was the first time the Skins looked like the rest of the NFL teams."
But At what price?
I need to come clean as my heart and my brains are in different places.
For years as an organization the Redskins have had very little production at QB [before RG3]...Then we move "Heaven and Earth" and go and get RG3 and I bought in and love this guys character and skills.
So I was a little sad for his injury... for him personally and for the over decade plight of the Redskins to get a QB. I was sick! A lot of questions quickly arose...Like is this the end of RG3 in Washington?
Then Kirk steps in and we get things moving. I do not think all of a sudden Cousins is an all star! But Redskins history has always told me that we just need a quarterback to lead the ship and get the most out of everyone else. We've won super bowls in the past with average to good quarterbacks. So I am excited to see what we have in him.

I need to remind myself to not to get to high or to low per situation.
A lot of things will unfold in the coming year. I as always am bucked up for the ride!

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[QUOTE=tshile;1083033]Forbath did't do one of the kick offs - do we have a problem at this position? What is going on here...[/QUOTE]


Forbath had a sore groin so he was on FGs only.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1083034]RGIII did nothing "reckless" yesterday. The problem is not that he put himself in harm's way.



The problem is that he is the unluckiest dude around, or he is made of glass, or both.[/QUOTE]


Him running outside the pocket, stiff arming a defender then throwing off balance to get a 12 yard completion could easily be considered reckless. That's just how he plays though, he always wants to extend the plays. And to be fair that's what the great ones do, but they also know when to scrap it and go to the next down.

IMO he is just not built to do what he did in college in the NFL. He is no Newton, Kap or Luck, those guys are built to with stand a few hits. RG has shown he just can't stay healthy trying to play the elusive QB that extends plays. In the NFL everyone is bigger faster and stronger, it's no where near as easy to get out of bounds as college. And after the knee surgery he easily lost at least one step if not two. And I think that's hard for him to take and understand.

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Great win by the boys - how long has it been since we've seen something so great?

Agree with the disdain for Rambo - how he even made an NFL team is beyond me.

RGIII getting hurt gives me a bad "Mike Green" kind of feeling...

And for RG's ankle - I don't know who that announcer was, but for crying out loud, on the first replay, I said to my son - look at the way his ankle is sticking up there - that's an ankle! And the announcer after two replays was saying "Oh, he came down on his right leg". WTF?

Jaguars ain't much of a test, so it's a good sign that they slapped them down the way they did.

Next up is a good test against those damn Eagles.

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[quote=Paul Nichols;1083040]Great win by the boys - how long has it been since we've seen something so great?

Agree with the disdain for Rambo - how he even made an NFL team is beyond me.

RGIII getting hurt gives me a bad "Mike Green" kind of feeling...

And for RG's ankle - I don't know who that announcer was, but for crying out loud, on the first replay, I said to my son - look at the way his ankle is sticking up there - that's an ankle! And the announcer after two replays was saying "Oh, he came down on his right leg". WTF?

[B]Jaguars ain't much of a test, so it's a good sign that they slapped them down the way they did. [/B]

Next up is a good test against those damn Eagles.[/quote]

I am glad we did not play down to their level, Our defense despite Rambo did play well.
I am really impressed with our running game and o-line run blocking. Despite how bad the Jags are, their defense and their from seven is considered decent. Plus add the way we ran against the Texans who have a very good front seven. With the improved pass game (Cousins) Gruden will have to tie a string to his finger to remind him to run the ball. This is a nice problem to have.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1083039]Him running outside the pocket, stiff arming a defender then throwing off balance to get a 12 yard completion could easily be considered reckless. That's just how he plays though, he always wants to extend the plays. And to be fair that's what the great ones do, but they also know when to scrap it and go to the next down.

IMO he is just not built to do what he did in college in the NFL. He is no Newton, Kap or Luck, those guys are built to with stand a few hits. RG has shown he just can't stay healthy trying to play the elusive QB that extends plays. In the NFL everyone is bigger faster and stronger, it's no where near as easy to get out of bounds as college. And after the knee surgery he easily lost at least one step if not two. And I think that's hard for him to take and understand.[/quote]

All he did was roll out and throw on the run, just like 1,000 other QB's did this weekend.

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I think people are trying too hard to stick with the narrative that Griffin's playing style opens him up for injury. Rolling out and throwing on the run is something all QBs do, sometimes several times a game. It's unfortunate he landed wrong on that ankle, but injuries happen and sometimes they can't be prevented.

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My last comment on RG3 is that if DJax holds on to that ball or the refs get the call right, I wonder what could have happened.

Moving on, I'll be curious to see what the Iggles o-line looks like tonight. Hopefully we can put pressure on Foles and keep McCoy in check next week.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1083045]My last comment on RG3 is that if DJax holds on to that ball or the refs get the call right, I wonder what could have happened.

Moving on, I'll be curious to see what the Iggles o-line looks like tonight. Hopefully we can put pressure on Foles and keep McCoy in check next week.[/quote]

I was amazed that call wasn't reversed. I thought it was pretty clear he was down by contact and the ball only came loose when the 2nd defender came in and hit him.

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@RobCarlinCSN. Andre Roberts had a rush of 15+ yds, a reception of 15+ & punt return of 15+.. Last #Redskins to do that - my guy @BmitchliveCSN in 1999!

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[quote=Mattyk;1082886]Paul has been impressive. Another guy that would have been cut long ago if it were up to the fans.[/quote]

I'd like to think that wasn't a reference to Rambo.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1083048]I'd like to think that wasn't a reference to Rambo.[/quote]

Just saying it's all too common for fans to give up on players prematurely. Some guys take a couple of years to develop. Especially one that made a position change early on in Paul. And yeah, in a few years it's possible we could be saying the same for Rambo.

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[quote=Mattyk;1083038]Forbath had a sore groin so he was on FGs only.[/quote]

interesting... something i missed on the other kickoffs...

thank you for that :)