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[quote=NC_Skins;1091850]Making a fuss? No. Pointing out unprofessional behavior? Yes. Tony was a bit out of line. You don't shove a reporter away like that. That's very unprofessional. I get it, it's hard dealing with the press at times but you simply have to act like a professional.[/quote]

As I said, I don't mind people's opinion or mocking of what transpired, it's just these stupid "oh Snyder is behind this" stuff that's a lot of nonsense.

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that was nice! good for colt!

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[quote=tshile;1091858]A friend of mine made that point to me at halftime and I honestly didn't even consider it.

But you're right... it goes one of two ways. Either he never had possession and it's not a catch, or he had possession and it's a fumble out of the endzone.

I guess the case **could** be made that he had given himself up, but I don't know how you can come to the conclusion. Guy had stood up and got popped.

Should have been a safety. Just like the hold at the end of the game.

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist but we seem to get the short end of the stick on refs more often than not. Last night was atrocious.[/quote]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that if you never left the endzone, then a fumble out of bounds is a touchback, similar to if you were tackled in the endzone if you never left the endzone after an INT. Now, if he had run out of the endzone, been hit, and the ball popped out through the back of the endzone then it would be a safety, similar to if you ran out of the endzone and got tackled backward back in to the endzone.

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The interviews with McCoy were great. Seems like a good kid. makes me happy he goth this chance and the success after the road he has traveled. In the pregame stuff, he looked visibly afraid. he came through and if the truth is known....big d is lucky it was a 2 touchdown spread

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[quote=WillH;1091868]Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that if you never left the endzone, then a fumble out of bounds is a touchback, similar to if you were tackled in the endzone if you never left the endzone after an INT. Now, if he had run out of the endzone, been hit, and the ball popped out through the back of the endzone then it would be a safety, similar to if you ran out of the endzone and got tackled backward back in to the endzone.[/quote]

You may be right.

My understanding is that being tackled in the end zone = touchback, provided you never left/reentered the enzone.

fumble out of your own endzone = safety. only exception is if it's a kickoff/punt and the ball nicks your hand on its way out of the endzone, since you never had possession.

fumble into the other team's endzone and out of bounds = touchback for the other team.

there's also weird rules about fumbling on fourth down (only the person that fumbled can recover and advance the ball) and fumbling into the endzone and recovering it.

i read them all at one point but cannot remember :\

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[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/redskins-pr-guy-embarrasses-self--team-by-dragging-colt-mccoy-off-field-130921991.html[/url]

From the article:

[quote]UPDATE: Wyllie said on Tuesday morning that he was trying to get McCoy into the locker room for a speech from Redskins head coach Jay Gruden. “We wanted to get Colt in to hear coach’s postgame speech,” he told TMZ. “I wasn’t denying access. I wanted Colt to hear coach talk. I felt we needed to get him inside.” Make of that what you wish.[/quote]

Ignoring the anti-Skins slant from the article (I feel like Shutdown Corner keeps sliding towards the PFT/TMZ media coverage with how they relentlessly attack every NFL team for a perceived slight) if this is true I feel there are ways he could've handled this better, but I can't fault him for doing his job.

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The play was over once he had possession in the end zone, therefore no fumble. Just like a play ends once the ball crosses the stripe.

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[quote=Mattyk;1091874]The play was over once he had possession in the end zone, therefore no fumble. Just like a play ends once the ball crosses the stripe.[/quote]

The play only ends that way when the offense crosses the goal line. Its a change of possession in the end zone. The defender can get up and try to run it out or declare himself down and get the ball at the 20. Same for kickoffs or punts that are caught in the end zone. He could have gotten up and ran around the end zone if he wanted, had he been tackled, its a touchback as long as he never leaves the end zone.

Having said that, if he does get up and run even without stepping out of the end zone then a fumble is live (so is the right to hit him). If that fumble hadnt gone out of bounds last night on the int, then its a refs decision as to whether he was declaring himself down (no fumble) or was he still live (fumble).

Editing to add: Since it was a 'possession change in the end zone' (yes... thats an important distinction), fumbling out of bounds is a touchback, not a safety.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/27/end-zone-interception-triggers-rarely-used-rule/]End zone interception triggers rarely-used rule | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I initially was wondering about that call, but.. I think touchback was the right call, but yes i was wondering about a safety as well.. Its a change of possession, more like a punt tho then a kickoff, and I still believe if he doesnt leave the end zone first, touchback

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[url=http://whateverblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/15-funniest-memes-from-cowboys-loss-to-redskins-including-jerry-jones-calling-johnny-manziel.html/]15 funniest memes from Cowboys loss to Redskins, including Jerry Jones calling Johnny Manziel | Dallas Morning News[/url]

I'm loving this

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I gave Breeland the game ball in the poll, but there were lots of good performances. Jackson, Riley, Robinson, McCoy, Garcon, Reed, Amerson, Meriweather, Morris, and Kerrigan all played well.

I'm not as impressed with Haslett's game plan as some of you, mostly because he let both Murray and Randle average over 7 yards per carry. If Dallas sticks with the run at the end, they likely walk down and score. I give props to Haslett though for his blitzes. 4 of those 5 sacks came from the safeties and inside linebackers.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/12420/redskins-blitz-shuts-down-dallas]Redskins' blitz shuts down Dallas - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

Awesome Article.

Essentially they saw the Cowgirls young line didn't know how to handle movement on the line, and once the blitzes started working they ran with it ( I hope we've exposed a real weakness for others to exploit.) They anticipated Romo's spin move, and once he was hurt he wasn't playing the same.

Merriweather credits Clark for teaching him things that helped his performance, maybe Clark will pay off in helping Merriweather polish his game and just maybe he can get his head out of his ass.

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you better believe other teams will take note.
I wonder if Bill Cowher is....still laughing at the notion of Colt McCoy facing the vaunted boys....

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[quote=Chico23231;1091851]Quote straight from Jerry:


"I was here during the tail end of the examination and knew he planned to come back out and play if he were needed," Jones explained matter-of-factly. "Of course he was needed. I felt good that he could come back out. When he saw the opportunity he did.[B] I told Jason that he would be back in."[/B]



Are you fucking kidding me?[/quote]

The better option might have been to let Weedon finish the game. Romo was still obviously still not right. Jones deserves to be getting killed today.

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i'm still not sold on Breelands coverage ability. he got lost on the Witten TD and gives up too much cushion.
With that said, he is all hustle. He saved a TD by chasing down Murrey from across the field and he loves to go for the strip. he should've had two interceptions and that is costing us. he should have 4-5 this season but those hands of stone....

Morris is a fumbler and we got lucky he didn't lose one today. he needs to get out of his funk.

Better blocking by the TE today.
Meriweather did a great job not losing Romo.
We need to blitz him more often.
Robinson also played very well.

The pressure helped limit the Dallas WR's so I think we shouldn't give too much praise yet. hopefully we keep blitzing, we really have nothing to lose at this point.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1091884]The better option might have been to let Weedon finish the game. Romo was still obviously still not right. Jones deserves to be getting killed today.[/quote]

My question is does the head coach get a chance to tell him no? Weeden was throwing fine, may have cost them the game

Im sorry, I dont want Bruce or Dan on the side line telling Jay who to play...its crazy but this guy gets a pass for some reason

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I also have to give credit to Forbath.
No kick returns and made the biggest field goal of his life.

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[quote=jamf;1091885]i'm still not sold on Breelands coverage ability. he got lost on the Witten TD and gives up too much cushion.
With that said, he is all hustle. He saved a TD by chasing down Murrey from across the field and he loves to go for the strip. he should've had two interceptions and that is costing us. he should have 4-5 this season but those hands of stone....

Morris is a fumbler and we got lucky he didn't lose one today. he needs to get out of his funk.

Better blocking by the TE today.
Meriweather did a great job not losing Romo.
We need to blitz him more often.
Robinson also played very well.

The pressure helped limit the Dallas WR's so I think we shouldn't give too much praise yet. hopefully we keep blitzing, we really have nothing to lose at this point.[/quote]

The back to back plays against Dez on the goaline were straight ballin. He's on an island with a top 10 receiver. Breeland is making strides, I see nothing but positives.

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[quote=SirLK26;1091881]I gave Breeland the game ball in the poll, but there were lots of good performances. Jackson, Riley, Robinson, McCoy, Garcon, Reed, Amerson, Meriweather, Morris, and Kerrigan all played well.

[B]I'm not as impressed with Haslett's game plan as some of you, mostly because he let both Murray and Randle average over 7 yards per carry. If Dallas sticks with the run at the end, they likely walk down and score[/B]. I give props to Haslett though for his blitzes. 4 of those 5 sacks came from the safeties and inside linebackers.[/quote]

So I guess you think our D should be the 85 Bears or something? Dallas has a really good offense so you know going in they're going to make plays. You simply can't ask more of the defense last night.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1091866]As I said, I don't mind people's opinion or mocking of what transpired, it's just these stupid "oh Snyder is behind this" stuff that's a lot of nonsense.[/quote]

Why would anyone ever think such a thing?

1. "Media Partner" pay-for-access scheme.
2. Taking away Washington Post tickets in revenge for negative articles.
3. Buying local media outlets ostensibly to provide "unfiltered" news to fans.
6. Arbitrary bans of media members.
4. Confiscating anti-Snyder/Vinny signs at Fedex (looks bad on TV).
5. Other stuff that I've forgotten.

There is a culture at Redskins Park that sometimes causes a rush to judgment.

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[quote=Chico23231;1091887][B]My question is does the head coach get a chance to tell him no? [/B]Weeden was throwing fine, may have cost them the game

Im sorry, I dont want Bruce or Dan on the side line telling Jay who to play...its crazy but this guy gets a pass for some reason[/quote]

Garrett has no balls. He's Jerry's bitch. Imagine if Jones did that same thing to Johnson, or even Parcells during a game? There would have been a fight right on the sideline. He never approached those guys during a game cause they demanded respect. Garrett doesn't.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1091891]So I guess you think our D should be the 85 Bears or something? Dallas has a really good offense so you know going in they're going to make plays. You simply can't ask more of the defense last night.[/quote]

Hear, hear! Haslett needed to take risks to hold down the score. He did and it worked. We beat a better team at their place last night, in large part because of a bold defensive game plan and a big effort by the defensive players. Give Haslett his due!

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[quote=jamf;1091885]i'm still not sold on Breelands coverage ability. he got lost on the Witten TD and gives up too much cushion.
With that said, he is all hustle. He saved a TD by chasing down Murrey from across the field and he loves to go for the strip. he should've had two interceptions and that is costing us. he should have 4-5 this season but those hands of stone....

Morris is a fumbler and we got lucky he didn't lose one today. he needs to get out of his funk.

Better blocking by the TE today.
Meriweather did a great job not losing Romo.
We need to blitz him more often.
Robinson also played very well.

The pressure helped limit the Dallas WR's so I think we shouldn't give too much praise yet. hopefully we keep blitzing, we really have nothing to lose at this point.[/quote]

Morris did not fumble. He hit the ground and that caused him to lose the ball. Down by contact. If he actually fumbled then you have a point, but he didn't.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1091891]So I guess you think our D should be the 85 Bears or something? Dallas has a really good offense so you know going in they're going to make plays. You simply can't ask more of the defense last night.[/quote]

In this day and age when your defense holds a team to 17, especially on the road, then no excuses, we should win. Your right, cant ask anymore of the defense, plus they cause some biggggg turnovers

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[quote=tshile;1091830]Colt may be a good option against the vikings because he may not lose you the game and it gives you the bye week to get Griffin and the offense on the same page for a week of practice for Tampa Bay.

Lots of gushing over Colt from skins fans and lots of mocking from nonskins fans. I don't get it. We had two delays of game and blew 4 of our 6 timeouts on alignment/play call/play clock issues? We had a busted play where colt was the only one not on the same page as everyone else, assuming that was the play he referenced calling wrong in the huddle during post game?

The people that think he's better than Griffin are ridiculous.[/quote]

That's a coaching issue as much as Colt's in fairness. The plays come in too slow and late, but the bigger point is in that situation, super load stadium with QB's first start, you see most coaches go with a no huddle pre-planned set of plays.

We wasted a handful of plays last night and gave up penalties and yards. But the team, defense especially, overcame the self inflicted setback. Gotta love it, best game for me since 2012 baby!

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[quote=Yellow31;1091856]--Question--On McCoy interception, Cowboy catches gets up makes an attempt to get up and run it out, gets hit while still in bounds(I believe by Garcon) fumbles out of the back of the endzone...why is that NOT a safety?? Cowboy defender clearly makes an attempt to get up and run...[/quote]

[EDIT - Missed the post with the answer.]

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[quote=tshile;1091858]A friend of mine made that point to me at halftime and I honestly didn't even consider it.

But you're right... it goes one of two ways. Either he never had possession and it's not a catch, or he had possession and it's a fumble out of the endzone.

I guess the case **could** be made that he had given himself up, but I don't know how you can come to the conclusion. Guy had stood up and got popped.

Should have been a safety. Just like the hold at the end of the game.

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist but we seem to get the short end of the stick on refs more often than not. Last night was atrocious.[/quote]

This. One of the worst called games (against us) I can remember in Snyder's ownership.

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[quote=Hog1;1091883]you better believe other teams will take note.
I wonder if Bill Cowher is....still laughing at the notion of Colt McCoy facing the vaunted boys....[/quote]

Been trying to get a link to the video of the ESPN guys laughing about the Redskins winning ... anyone got it?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1091901]Been trying to get a link to the video of the ESPN guys laughing about the Redskins winning ... anyone got it?[/quote]

I thought it was the CBS crew.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1091895]<snip> and a big effort by the defensive players.<snip>[/quote]

This is what it came down too, not Haslett. Without those forced fumbles, I bet Dallas sticks with the run late. And with them averaging well over 7 yards per carry, it's quite likely they would have scored. Meriweather and Breeland were hustling all game. Huge difference makers.

But like I said before, props to Haslett for his blitzes.

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And WTF is up with these refs? In all seriousness, I think these effing zebras have it out for us. Bastards.

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I have absolutely nothing bad to say about anyone. Ive read so far today about Breeland not being that good, trading Garcon, trading Almo, the refs suck. They did but who gives a shit. FU Dallas! HTTR!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1091902]I thought it was the CBS crew.[/quote]The ESPN crew was definitely laughing at the idea of the Skins winning when they were doing their picks.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/10/28/every-espn-analyst-picked-the-cowboys-to-beat-the-redskins/]Every ESPN analyst picked the Cowboys to beat the Redskins - The Washington Post[/url]
[IMG]http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2014/10/skinspredicts1014a.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1091833]The media did kill RG3 for wanting to come back during the Seattle game, yet Romo is a f*cking hero for doing it.[/quote]

ding ding ding

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[quote=Mattyk;1091842]Yeah that was some serious bullshit[/quote]

The media feeds the BS though. How may time did we get a glimpse of ol' Jerrah last night? A dozen or so? How many times have you ever heard an owner interviewed mid-game? Never. What a joke. And our owner is the laughingstock. SMH

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[quote=NC_Skins;1091850]So true. I give Dan that much credit. The balls of Jerry to roll down on the sideline to tell Jason Tony is going back into the game. What a fucking putz.

[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/10/28/7082751/jerry-jones-jason-garrett-tony-romo-injury-cowboys]Jerry Jones told Jason Garrett that Tony Romo &#x27;would be back&#x27; - SBNation.com[/url]






Making a fuss? No. Pointing out unprofessional behavior? Yes. Tony was a bit out of line. You don't shove a reporter away like that. That's very unprofessional. I get it, it's hard dealing with the press at times but you simply have to act like a professional.[/quote]

OK...were you there? Hard to judge the situation without having been there.

What I saw was a reporter (who apparently had been told no for an interview) GRAB McCoy and essentially kidnap him into an interview. Look at the guy, he has his arm around McCoy holding onto him. And Wylie was the one being unprofessional?

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[quote=Chico23231;1091897]In this day and age when your defense holds a team to 17, especially on the road, then no excuses, we should win. Your right, cant ask anymore of the defense, plus they cause some biggggg turnovers[/quote]

Exactly. Those guys were playing their asses off last night. Tackling was crisp, they forced some turnovers, for the most part they covered well, got some sacks. If the offense in the first half had their shit together that could've got ugly quick.

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Are we really bitching about the PR guy after a great road win over Dallas???? SMH....

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[quote=Skinzman;1091875]The play only ends that way when the offense crosses the goal line. Its a change of possession in the end zone. The defender can get up and try to run it out or declare himself down and get the ball at the 20. Same for kickoffs or punts that are caught in the end zone. He could have gotten up and ran around the end zone if he wanted, had he been tackled, its a touchback as long as he never leaves the end zone.

Having said that, if he does get up and run even without stepping out of the end zone then a fumble is live (so is the right to hit him). If that fumble hadnt gone out of bounds last night on the int, then its a refs decision as to whether he was declaring himself down (no fumble) or was he still live (fumble).

Editing to add: Since it was a 'possession change in the end zone' (yes... thats an important distinction), fumbling out of bounds is a touchback, not a safety.[/quote]
Right...since the impetus for the ball entering the endzone was by us then the Cowboys could only have a touchback or a return...unless of course he ran out of the endzone and then back in.