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Per Twitter: At RG, Scherf planted JJ Watt on his ass.

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Was at camp from 830 to a lil after 10 today.

Matt jones just looks better Alfmo...seems much quicker and lively runner. Saw redd one time gettin his juke on. He looks leaner and quicker.

Ryan grant and Jordan reed...look like starters. Reed...omg if he could just stay healthy, a natural.

Online, first Houston dline is really good. Second Moses looks like the real deal. I saw schreff get worked a couple times on one on one drills. In pass pro I thought the starters were solid. In running game, everything to the left went fine. Running inside and inside right wasn't good. No push. Outside right wasn't bad, but I didn't see a lot of push inside...just like last year.

Rg3 up and down.

And of course I saw our future kicker Long looking like a badass

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[quote=Mattyk;1115919]I think Moses at RT says more about him than it does Scherff. If he's that improved that's an awesome thing for our line.[/quote]

Agree on all counts. Some of the commentary on Moses:

[quote]Mark Bullock ‏@MarkBullockNFL
Also, notice Morgan Moses technique here. So much better than last year. Not lunging/waist-bending.[/quote]

No knock on Long, but there is a reason Scherff went at five. If Moses is as good or better than Scherff at RT; Scherff at RG is likely much, much better than Long (and that's really not intended as a knock on Long).

Would be REALLY sweet if Kouandijo played well enough to displace Lauvao.

RT Moses (can flip to LT)
RG Scherff (can play RT)
C Lichstensteiger (can slide to G)
LG Kouandijo
LT Williams (All-Pro this year - Pay the man and lock him up).

Back-ups: LeRib (C/G); Long (G/C); Compton (T/G); Cofield (T)

[I think if AK beats out Lauvao, he is not making the team. We have plenty of younger, less expensive guys who can play the spot].

That's a young line with versatility, depth and a whole lot of nasty. [Between Scherff and Williams alone, the nastiness quotient is higher than any non-Williams OL combination we had last year]

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We'll see what happens with Brandon whether it RG or RT.

There are so many possible reasons to play him at RG especially this week.

My first thought what better way to test Scherff's ability then to play him against Watt? And he'll get more work against Watt at RG then RT.

Callahan wants to work his OL at different spots for depth purposes and you need to play guys at different spots to build that depth.

If Moses is a better RT then Long is a RG and Scherff is good at either spot what do you do? You put the best OL out there and if its Scherff RG and Moses RT then so be it.

Having a stud at RG is a huge plus for the offense and it would be huge upgrade from watching Chester get pushed 2 yarda into the backfield every snap.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115922]Was at camp from 830 to a lil after 10 today.

Matt jones just looks better Alfmo...seems much quicker and lively runner. Saw redd one time gettin his juke on. He looks leaner and quicker.

Ryan grant and Jordan reed...look like starters. Reed...omg if he could just stay healthy, a natural.

Online, first Houston dline is really good. Second Moses looks like the real deal. I saw schreff get worked a couple times on one on one drills. In pass pro I thought the starters were solid. In running game, everything to the left went fine. Running inside and inside right wasn't good. No push. Outside right wasn't bad, but I didn't see a lot of push inside...just like last year.

Rg3 up and down.

And of course I saw our future kicker Long looking like a badass[/quote]

Good stuff. Thanks Chico.

If Grant is making a push and Crowder as well, I just don't see a spot for Andre "The New 50/50" Roberts. Not sure about the Salary Cap repercussions, but both Grant and Crowder are slot type WR's and both seem competent to slide out wide as a WR4. The concern might be whether either step into the every down WR2 role if DJax or Garcon got injured? Also, if Garcon goes down for any reason, our WR corps is on the teeny, tiny smurfy side. While I got nothing against small, quick & fast WR's, an entire corps of smurfs concerns me.

Potential WR depth:
WR: D.Jax, Garcon, Grant, Crowder, Roberts(?), Spencer (?).

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1115926]Good stuff. Thanks Chico.

If Grant is making a push and Crowder as well, I just don't see a spot for Andre "The New 50/50" Roberts. Not sure about the Salary Cap repercussions, but both Grant and Crowder are slot type WR's and both seem competent to slide out wide as a WR4. The concern might be whether either step into the every down WR2 role if DJax or Garcon got injured? Also, if Garcon goes down for any reason, our WR corps is on the teeny, tiny smurfy side. While I got nothing against small, quick & fast WR's, an entire corps of smurfs concerns me.

Potential WR depth:
WR: D.Jax, Garcon, Grant, Crowder, Roberts(?), Spencer (?).[/quote]

I saw one throw go right through Roberts hands on a hitch. Perfect thrown ball, face level...he turned put his hands up, right through them. Fans groaned.

Saw Garcon catching some balls in traffic, doing a nice job.

RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine.

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[quote=30gut;1115925]My first thought what better way to test Scherff's ability then to play him against Watt? And he'll get more work against Watt at RG then RT.[/quote]

Fair point. I was having an old man mental lapse and thinking it was the reverse - that he would get more against Watt in the RT position. Doh!

[quote=30gut;1115925]Callahan wants to work his OL at different spots for depth purposes and you need to play guys at different spots to build that depth.[/quote]

Yeah, I get this and, in intra-squad practices, it makes perfect sense. On the other hand, this would be Scherff's only chance to work at RT (other than some preseason game snaps) to work against NFL players he doesn't see every day. To me, it is very valuable practice time and, given the original plan to start him at RT, and to me, it would seem more important to get him the reps at RT against these guys. Maybe a few series / plays / whatever at RG but, if he is to be a day one RT starter, get him as many snaps as possible at RT against non-Skins to prep him for his first NFL start.

Ultimately, still plenty of time in preseason to do so. I just find it odd that he would come out of the gate at RG in the inter-squad practice. I am betting that, for the last round against the Texans, Scherff will be at RT. If he is not, I would suggest that the way they envisioned the line has changed in the last few days. Not saying that's a bad thing in any way. Just interesting.

Just watching the two (and, again, I know it is completely unscientific), Moses just [I]looks[/I] the part of tackle - long, big wing span. If his technique continues to improve and is consistent, he has the physical tools to be a good to very good RT.

[quote=30gut;1115925]Having a stud at RG is a huge plus for the offense and it would be huge upgrade from watching Chester get pushed 2 yarda into the backfield every snap.[/quote]

Yup. 100% agree.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115927]I saw one throw go right through Roberts hands on a hitch. Perfect thrown ball, face level...he turned put his hands up, right through them. Fans groaned.[/quote]

<sigh> I was one of those who initially was a fan of the Roberts signing. I have since been cured of that particular delusion. If I recall, we were also pursuing E. Sanders who wound up in Denver instead (I may be wrong on that - it may be that I just wished we had pursued Sanders).

Now that would be a deadly combination: Garcon, D.Jax, Sanders.

[quote=Chico23231;1115927]RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine[/quote]

Yup. I have seen that too. The only explanation I have is that the way he has always been allowed/taught to play the position is that - if the initial reads aren't there, start looking to run. Because of his athleticism, he was never consistently [I]required[/I] to be patient so, once his internal QB clock hits ~2 - 3.0 seconds and he isn't running, he just doesn't know what to do on an instinctual level and his mechanics, vision, etc. goes straight to hell.

Okay stat geeks: Has anyone broken down RGIII's QB rating based on his "time in the pocket?" i.e. - What's his rating when gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds? 3.0? greater than 4.0? I expect it would be a tough stat to find/measure b/c so many factors go into how long you have in the pocket and why a pass was complete/incomplete. At the same time, I would be really interested in seeing if my perception matched reality.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/08/07/logan-paulsen-preston-smith-frank-kearse-join-redskins-mounting-injured-list/?postshare=7111438966046357]Logan Paulsen, Preston Smith, Frank Kearse join Redskins’ mounting injured list - The Washington Post[/url]

What the hell? This is getting ridiculous.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1115921]Per Twitter: At RG, Scherf planted JJ Watt on his ass.[/quote]

Yesssss......more ass planting please!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1115930]<sigh> I was one of those who initially was a fan of the Roberts signing. I have since been cured of that particular delusion. If I recall, we were also pursuing E. Sanders who wound up in Denver instead (I may be wrong on that - it may be that I just wished we had pursued Sanders).

Now that would be a deadly combination: Garcon, D.Jax, Sanders.



Yup. I have seen that too. The only explanation I have is that the way he has always been allowed/taught to play the position is that - if the initial reads aren't there, start looking to run. Because of his athleticism, he was never consistently [I]required[/I] to be patient so, once his internal QB clock hits ~2 - 3.0 seconds and he isn't running, he just doesn't know what to do on an instinctual level and his mechanics, vision, etc. goes straight to hell.

Okay stat geeks: Has anyone broken down RGIII's QB rating based on his "time in the pocket?" i.e. - What's his rating when gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds? 3.0? greater than 4.0? I expect it would be a tough stat to find/measure b/c so many factors go into how long you have in the pocket and why a pass was complete/incomplete. At the same time, I would be really interested in seeing if my perception matched reality.[/quote]

I saw something about this on TV recently (think it was on ESPN). Unfortunately I cant find it right now while doing a search for it. However, it stated that if RG3 gets rid of the ball in under 2.6 seconds, his accuracy is very high. Once it goes past 2.6 seconds for release, his accuracy drops a large amount.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1115924]Agree on all counts. Some of the commentary on Moses:



No knock on Long, but there is a reason Scherff went at five. If Moses is as good or better than Scherff at RT; Scherff at RG is likely much, much better than Long (and that's really not intended as a knock on Long).

Would be REALLY sweet if Kouandijo played well enough to displace Lauvao.

RT Moses (can flip to LT)
RG Scherff (can play RT)
C Lichstensteiger (can slide to G)
LG Kouandijo
LT Williams (All-Pro this year - Pay the man and lock him up).

Back-ups: LeRib (C/G); Long (G/C); Compton (T/G); Cofield (T)

[I think if AK beats out Lauvao, he is not making the team. We have plenty of younger, less expensive guys who can play the spot].

That's a young line with versatility, depth and a whole lot of nasty. [Between Scherff and Williams alone, the nastiness quotient is higher than any non-Williams OL combination we had last year][/quote]





Moses playing really well is no surprise, remember he was the 2nd pick of the third round so essentially a 2nd rounder he should be starting.

I think that they drafted Kouandijo to be the starting LG next year and Lavauo is safe this year unless K just crushes it and then yes Lavauo is looking for work.

The Nasty quotiant is awesome

I am not sure why the media is upset with Scherff playing guard if you are a pro-bowler at any position outside of kicker you are worthy of the #5 overall pick and looks like a perennial pro-bowler at gaurd

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1115924]
Would be REALLY sweet if Kouandijo played well enough to displace Lauvao.

RT Moses (can flip to LT)
RG Scherff (can play RT)
C Lichstensteiger (can slide to G)
LG Kouandijo
LT Williams (All-Pro this year - Pay the man and lock him up).

Back-ups: LeRib (C/G); Long (G/C); Compton (T/G); Cofield (T)

I think if AK beats out Lauvao, he is not making the team. We have plenty of younger, less expensive guys who can play the spot.
[/quote]

The reports I've read have all said that Kuandijo has a long way to go. Since Long started out getting first team reps at RG why wouldn't the Skins move him to LG instead of Arie or move Scherff to LG and keep Long at RG if they want to replace Lauvao?

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Not sure who was saying it, but somewhere on the twitterverse, from one of the local insider types, were several comments about how AK was looking really good and taking some snaps with the 1's.

As to Scherff or Long to LG if Moses has really stepped it up and is ready to go as the starting RT -- okay. works for me. Having played line (a bazillion years ago), I would suggest it is a more difficult move from RG to LG than it is from RT to RG. Since everything works out from the center, all of a sudden your playing a mirror image of what you were doing before.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115927]...RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine.[/quote]Not sure why that is surprising. When a QBs throws quick its usually because the pre-snap read and the design of the play matched up with what happened post snap. Its after the primary is covered that things get wonky consequently most QBs have better stats when the ball is thrown quickly.

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More on the Moses/Scherff combo.

[quote]Brandon Scherff again worked at right guard, with Morgan Moses still starting at right tackle. Scherff appears to be making adjustments, as is Moses. J.J. Watt didn’t have the disruptive kind of day he had on Thursday. During 2-on-2 blocking/rushing drills, Scherff and Moses actually managed to combine to put Watt on his backside during one of their matchups.

Coaches really are intrigued by the possibility of this Scherff-Moses right side. Again, no final decisions are made. But they believe that they have a chance to develop into a formidable tandem. Yes, Washington spent a fifth overall pick on Scherff, and people will say that’s too high to take a guard. But Bill Callahan doesn’t care about that. He believes Scherff has similar capabilities to Zack Martin, whom the Cowboys drafted as a tackle out of Notre Dame, but then moved him inside to guard in 2014. Martin made the Pro Bowl and earned All-Pro status as a rookie guard. Callahan believes in finding the best five linemen.

Several veterans say that Scherff looks more comfortable at guard, where he is better able to better put his impressive strength to use. This isn’t to say that Scherff can’t develop the footwork to become a standout tackle in the NFL. But teammates say he appears to have less to worry about and is playing to his forte. Stay tuned.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/08/07/observations-from-day-9-at-redskins-training-camp/?postshare=5351438974884390]Observations from Day 9 at Redskins training camp - The Washington Post[/url]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/08/04/redskins-mailbag-what-weve-learned-so-far-in-training-camp-mixing-and-matching-on-the-offensive-line-and-more/]Redskins mailbag: What we’ve learned so far in training camp, shuffling the offensive line and more - The Washington Post[/url]

[quote]I don’t know that any starter is in a particularly vulnerable spot this early in the year. But Arie Kouandjio could eventually overtake Shawn Lauvao. The other day, Gruden oddly and unprompted slipped in “Arie Kouandjio is really coming along at left guard.”[B] Kouandjio hasn’t seen any first-team action, however, and while he does a decent job against backups in one-on-one drills, he really struggles against the starter types.[/B][/quote]

That was a few days ago, maybe you saw something more recent Joe.

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Nope. That is what I was thinking about. I was just wrong. It happens.

Not often, but it happens. ; )

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[quote=Skinzman;1115939]I saw something about this on TV recently (think it was on ESPN). Unfortunately I cant find it right now while doing a search for it. However, it stated that if RG3 gets rid of the ball in under 2.6 seconds, his accuracy is very high. Once it goes past 2.6 seconds for release, his accuracy drops a large amount.[/quote]

yeah . . . but that is an average . . . most of the time if he has the ball longer than that he is running for his life or trying to dodge the pass rush or getting sacked as he releases the ball . .. the longer you hold the ball the more of that is going to happen

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[B]Coaches really are intrigued by the possibility of this Scherff-Moses right side. Again, no final decisions are made. But they believe that they have a chance to develop into a formidable tandem. Yes, Washington spent a fifth overall pick on Scherff, and people will say that’s too high to take a guard. But Bill Callahan doesn’t care about that.[/B]
Me and Bill don't care...
How cool would it be to have a dominant line. It will fix many of our QB probs.....

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[quote=Hog1;1115974][B]Coaches really are intrigued by the possibility of this Scherff-Moses right side. Again, no final decisions are made. But they believe that they have a chance to develop into a formidable tandem. Yes, Washington spent a fifth overall pick on Scherff, and people will say that’s too high to take a guard. But Bill Callahan doesn’t care about that.[/B]
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How cool would it be to have a dominant line. It will fix many of our QB probs.....[/quote]

I would pitch in to buy RGIII a chair, cause he could sit behind that line and pick and choose what he wants to do.

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[quote=Hog1;1115974][B]Coaches really are intrigued by the possibility of this Scherff-Moses right side. Again, no final decisions are made. But they believe that they have a chance to develop into a formidable tandem. Yes, Washington spent a fifth overall pick on Scherff, and people will say that’s too high to take a guard. But Bill Callahan doesn’t care about that.[/B]
Me and Bill don't care...
How cool would it be to have a dominant line. It will fix many of our QB probs.....[/quote]

Seriously, is anyone going to complain if Scherff is a perennial Pro Bowler at guard?? A quality player is a quality player, period.

And I still think this says more about the development of Moses vs Scherff not being able to handle RT... If both of these guys turn out to be studs it's a win/win for us.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1115962]Not sure who was saying it, but somewhere on the twitterverse, from one of the local insider types, were several comments about how AK was looking really good and taking some snaps with the 1's.

As to Scherff or Long to LG if Moses has really stepped it up and is ready to go as the starting RT -- okay. works for me. Having played line (a bazillion years ago), I would suggest it is a more difficult move from RG to LG than it is from RT to RG. Since everything works out from the center, all of a sudden your playing a mirror image of what you were doing before.[/quote]

I see what you mean about the difficulties in moving to the other side of the line. My thought was simply about putting the best five linemen on the field together, since that is said to be Callahan's preference. I don't know if Callahan sees O-Linemen as generic pieces to be moved around until he discovers the best combination of players or what exactly he means by putting the best five OL on the field.

It's possible, in Callahan's mind, that Lauvao might be the best LG right now without being one of the top five OL. Or maybe he [U]is[/U] one of the top five linemen. i don't know what Callahan thinks in that regard. But if Scherff, Long, and Moses are three of the top five generic linemen, I wonder if Callahan would move either Scherff or Long to LG.

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[quote=SirLK26;1115937][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/08/07/logan-paulsen-preston-smith-frank-kearse-join-redskins-mounting-injured-list/?postshare=7111438966046357]Logan Paulsen, Preston Smith, Frank Kearse join Redskins’ mounting injured list - The Washington Post[/url]

What the hell? This is getting ridiculous.[/quote]


With the new strength & conditioning program, as well as the new warm-up process, was really hoping strained groins/hamstrings would be minimized.

It feels like we have as many as before.

And seriously, we can't keep ONE cornerback healthy???

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[quote=Mattyk;1115977]Seriously, is anyone going to complain if Scherff is a perennial Pro Bowler at guard?? A quality player is a quality player, period.

And I still think this says more about the development of Moses vs Scherff not being able to handle RT... If both of these guys turn out to be studs it's a win/win for us.[/quote]

Yeah agree. Moses stood out on the one on on drills. I wouldn't put him in hall yet, but to take this step to starter would be huge for the team.

On the one on one online drills with Houston's dline, I thought spencer long held up better than anyone else within our interior.


Side note about training camp, the Richmond facility is outstanding. Every time I've been down there it been a great experience. Very very gud time for the kids. If you've never been down you are missing out. It's the perfect way to get you pumped for the season, I've been drinking nothing but Kool aid since.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115981]Yeah agree. Moses stood out on the one on on drills. I wouldn't put him in hall yet, but to take this step to starter would be huge for the team.

On the one on one online drills with Houston's dline, I thought spencer long held up better than anyone else within our interior.


Side note about training camp, the Richmond facility is outstanding. Every time I've been down there it been a great experience. Very very gud time for the kids. If you've never been down you are missing out. It's the perfect way to get you pumped for the season,[B] I've been drinking nothing but Kool aid since[/B].[/quote]
.....cool

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[url=http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/brawl-breaks-out-at-joint-redskins-texans-practice-1722875270]Brawl Breaks Out At Joint Redskins-Texans Practice[/url]

Damn that's a brawl

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Joint practice is over because of the fights. Should make for some good TV on Hard Knocks.

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"It looks like Brave Heart out there!"
.........lol

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Did I see JG brandishing a belt? (And, no, I don't mean Jay Gruden.)

Seriously, that's crazy. Fight breaks out between our O and their D, and then second later on the opposite field, our D and their O go at it. Never seen anything like that.

I will say this -- the tackle on the Redskins back that appears to have started it seemed like the guy was aiming for knees. Grainy video from my vantage point, so I could be wrong, but it seemed like the Redskins had something legitimate to be unhappy about.

Looks like lots of folks on the sidelines would have had a very good view of what happened, and it's hard to imagine someone wasn't recording it with a smartphone or something. I will bet videos start lighting up the internet.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115989][url=http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/brawl-breaks-out-at-joint-redskins-texans-practice-1722875270]Brawl Breaks Out At Joint Redskins-Texans Practice[/url]

Damn that's a brawl[/quote]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9vE7PuR.jpg[/IMG]

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LOL at Clowney shoving a Skin(Culliver I think) and then running away like a b*tch.

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[quote=calia;1115994]Did I see JG brandishing a belt? (And, no, I don't mean Jay Gruden.)

Seriously, that's crazy. Fight breaks out between our O and their D, and then second later on the opposite field, our D and their O go at it. Never seen anything like that.

I will say this -- the tackle on the Redskins back that appears to have started it seemed like the guy was aiming for knees. Grainy video from my vantage point, so I could be wrong, but it seemed like the Redskins had something legitimate to be unhappy about.

Looks like lots of folks on the sidelines would have had a very good view of what happened, and it's hard to imagine someone wasn't recording it with a smartphone or something. I will bet videos start lighting up the internet.[/quote]

Putting a helmet on knees during a scrimmage, I could see why we would have a problem with that. If u asked McC behind closed doors if he liked seeing his his team get into with the other, he probably answer yes with a big smile.

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Clowney was a bust in his rookie year. A lot is expected from him just like RGIII this year.

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Does McRib get any credit for that tackle, or would it count as solo for Wilfork?

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On a different subject being that today is the HOF induction day, nothing beats this induction moment. To me the best HOF moment ever and I'm biased being that he is my favorite Redskin player ever.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORshuy-MdTk[/url]

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Very moving. Art was pure class. Wish we could clone him.


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[quote=DYoungJelly;1116002]Does McRib get any credit for that tackle, or would it count as solo for Wilfork?[/quote]

LOL....That isn't the first time I've seen Lerib get treated like a blocking sled.

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Monk is the....Best!

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Release-First-Unofficial-Depth-Chart/fc283b5d-a686-4da5-92e0-4ec03e987a0a]Redskins Release First Unofficial Depth Chart[/url]

It's early, thing can change but here it is