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kingj 09-01-2015 02:06 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk;1118648]For real... man cave, Instagram, Facebook, is this a football team or a damn boy band with all this nonsense that gets everyone riled
up

I don't even know what man cave is nor do I give two shits[/QUOTE]


I am not trying to directly bad mouth anyone, but considering that Jason Reid is the host of "man cave" you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself if you listen to THAT clown.

Insert billy Madison moderator guy...anyone who listens to one word out of that moron's mouth loses iq and brain power.

Hog1 09-01-2015 02:12 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=Ruhskins;1118646]I'm more amazed at the amount of people referring the Man Cave than any of the RG3 craziness going on.

I know there's some craziness going on, but a lot of you seem to be obsessed over it and seem to be biting on the media bait.[/quote]

If obsessed is defined as pissed off that a "reputable" ESPN affiliate would suggest that the demotion of Robert could be based in racism.......I'm guilty. I do not like my Redskins being wrongly characterized in that way and I further take issue with a supposedly legitimate broadcaster casting cheap dispersion's at our expense for personal gain.
Even though this seems to be their......job

mooby 09-01-2015 02:28 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=Mattyk;1118648]For real... man cave, Instagram, Facebook, is this a football team or a damn boy band with all this nonsense that gets everyone riled
up

[B]I don't even know what man cave is nor do I give two shits[/B][/quote]

Words to live by.

kingj 09-01-2015 02:47 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[QUOTE=Hog1;1118650]If obsessed is defined as pissed off that a "reputable" ESPN affiliate would suggest that the demotion of Robert could be based in racism.......I'm guilty. I do not like my Redskins being wrongly characterized in that way and I further take issue with a supposedly legitimate broadcaster casting cheap dispersion's at our expense for personal gain.
Even though this seems to be their......job[/QUOTE]


2 can play at this game.

I'm not a Snyder fan, but he should scare BSPN with a little slandering lawsuit...

kingj 09-01-2015 02:50 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
@NFLonCBS: London Fletcher: Jay Gruden failed at his job of developing RG III
[url]http://t.co/lh5GWwIKYM[/url] [url]http://t.co/yqnYDZtDxM[/url]

This is why pressure is now squarely on Gruden. He had final say and it's now put up or shut up.

Either way I think both Griffin and Gruden are gone before 2016 season starts.

Chico23231 09-01-2015 03:03 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=kingj;1118654]@NFLonCBS: London Fletcher: Jay Gruden failed at his job of developing RG III
[url=http://t.co/lh5GWwIKYM]London Fletcher: Jay Gruden failed at his job of developing RG3 - CBSSports.com[/url] [url]http://t.co/yqnYDZtDxM[/url]

This is why pressure is now squarely on Gruden. He had final say and it's now put up or shut up.

Either way I think both Griffin and Gruden are gone before 2016 season starts.[/quote]

London Fletcher needs to stfu for once.

MTK 09-01-2015 03:31 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
Maybe Gruden failed with RG3, but maybe he succeeded with Cousins? We shall see.

Skinzman 09-01-2015 05:25 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
The thing with Cousins is he has always had the talent. Not elite talent, but talent nonetheless. Whether he succeeds as a starter to me boils down to one thing. Can he overcome diversity. In the past, he would play well until things didnt go his way, then he moped around like a 10 year old who just had his bike stolen. If he can play every play independent of everything else, then he should be successful. If he lets his prior mistakes be apart of his decision process, he wont.

Hog1 09-01-2015 05:51 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=kingj;1118654]@NFLonCBS: London Fletcher: Jay Gruden failed at his job of developing RG III
[url=http://t.co/lh5GWwIKYM]London Fletcher: Jay Gruden failed at his job of developing RG3 - CBSSports.com[/url] [url]http://t.co/yqnYDZtDxM[/url]

This is why pressure is now squarely on Gruden. He had final say and it's now put up or shut up.

Either way I think both Griffin and Gruden are gone before 2016 season starts.[/quote]

As Chico has appropriately stated.....London Fletcher needs to STFU
And I'm not sure Jay has a whole lot of.....skin on the table? He nor Scott drafted any of the current crop of QB'S. Dan and Bruce's. He is simply trying to do the best he can with the cards he was dealt.

Alvin Walton 09-01-2015 05:55 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
If this season turns into a disaster we will be starting over needing not only a new QB but a new head coach which with my crazy math sets us back three years.

SirLK26 09-01-2015 06:28 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=kingj;1118654]@NFLonCBS: London Fletcher: Jay Gruden failed at his job of developing RG III
[url=http://t.co/lh5GWwIKYM]London Fletcher: Jay Gruden failed at his job of developing RG3 - CBSSports.com[/url] [url]http://t.co/yqnYDZtDxM[/url]

This is why pressure is now squarely on Gruden. He had final say and it's now put up or shut up.

Either way I think both Griffin and Gruden are gone before 2016 season starts.[/quote]

Absolutely. In fact, Griffin regressed under Gruden. Not all Gruden's fault of course, but he failed at what he was brought in to do.

P.S. You have to wonder why Griffin went from solid in 2013 under Shanny to crap in 2014.

DYoungJelly 09-01-2015 06:53 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=SirLK26;1118661]Absolutely. In fact, Griffin regressed under Gruden. Not all Gruden's fault of course, but he failed at what he was brought in to do.

P.S. You have to wonder why Griffin went from solid in 2013 under Shanny to crap in 2014.[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14875/robert-griffin]Robert Griffin Stats - Washington Redskins - ESPN[/url]

Umm. . .

skinsfaninok 09-01-2015 06:58 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=Mattyk;1118656]Maybe Gruden failed with RG3, but maybe he succeeded with Cousins? We shall see.[/quote]

Cousins is going to catch fire in the middle of the season, u heard it here 1st :)

Hog1 09-01-2015 07:01 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
Both Shanny and JG have alluded if not stated, he cannot be a drop back passer at this time. Thought the available info suggests Robert no longer wanted to be a running QB. For ALL the reasons anyone who has watched Robert/Skins game of late.
It would be difficult if not absurd to put this on Gruden. He may be fired for other sins at a later date, but Robert through injury, lack of Pro style evolution, work/study habits and a ridiculous.....social program has F...d up

kingj 09-01-2015 07:11 PM

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1118665]Both Shanny and JG have alluded if not stated, he cannot be a drop back passer at this time. Thought the available info suggests Robert no longer wanted to be a running QB. For ALL the reasons anyone who has watched Robert/Skins game of late.

It would be difficult if not absurd to put this on Gruden. He may be fired for other sins at a later date, but Robert through injury, lack of Pro style evolution, work/study habits and a ridiculous.....social program has F...d up[/QUOTE]


I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.

So there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).

He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.

Fan033 09-01-2015 07:32 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
Against the Ravens, RGIII looked dreadful. I'm sorry he got hurt but it was obvious he hadn't learned a thing about staying in the pocket. The move to put Cousins in as quarterback is the right move. RGIII needs to move on.

rocnrik 09-01-2015 07:34 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
IF the Redskins were the ONLY team to ever whiff on a draft pick I would really be upset..but as any real football fan knows there have been a lot of whiffs..I loved the pick at that time! ..Looking back Shanny and Kyle were the perfect fit for RGlll (he was rookie of year!!…lets not forget that!!)…what the hell happened?? INJURY..INJURIES..THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED! RGlll lost several steps and all his confidence plus add in all the other drama with coaching changes,Ownership issue and other factors why is it a surprise? Heath Shuler was a major whiff and there has been a lot of others ..The Skins saw the future gave up a ton to go after it and after that first season EVERYBODY gave the move a Thumbs up!..but that one game vs SEATTLE ..that injury and you know the rest of the story. I hope that RGlll somehow can get it back and have a career in the Nfl ..but at this point it does not look good ,who's fault is it..NOBODY is at fault! it is the way life is ..it happens all the time to average folks in all walks of life. I say let the Redskins deal with all this the way they see fit and as fans we get behind the team and who ever is qb and support them OR move on ..I know we all are disappointed but how do you think RGlll ,Dan Snyder and all the rest feel.. NOBODY WANTED THIS ..but we got to move on! Lets get behind this team !! GO SKINS!!

DYoungJelly 09-01-2015 07:55 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=kingj;1118666]I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.

So there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).

He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.[/quote]

Have you been paying attention to the last two and a half years?

1. RG3 vetoed the read option. 2. He isn't a pocket passer.

There isn't another way to be a QB in the NFL.

So Gruden better succeed with the QB's that he and the current GM inherited or else eh?

Really? That's the standard? He made a choice between RG3, Krik, and Colt.

In a perfect world, Gruden's choice should have been Luck, but since he had to pick from the three QB's we have Kirk is the guy.

Why not be more like the Steelers and build a team and an identity instead. How many coaches have they had in the last 30 years?

Based on reports mclovin and jay have similar philosophies. No idea if this is accurate or media fluff.

There are legit knocks on Gruden. Lack of QB coach. Lack of media savvy. Etc. . .

Not turning a steaming pile of dog crap into a shiny pile of gold isn't a legit criticism.

kingj 09-01-2015 08:24 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1118670]Have you been paying attention to the last two and a half years?



1. RG3 vetoed the read option. 2. He isn't a pocket passer.



There isn't another way to be a QB in the NFL.



So Gruden better succeed with the QB's that he and the current GM inherited or else eh?



Really? That's the standard? He made a choice between RG3, Krik, and Colt.



In a perfect world, Gruden's choice should have been Luck, but since he had to pick from the three QB's we have Kirk is the guy.



Why not be more like the Steelers and build a team and an identity instead. How many coaches have they had in the last 30 years?



Based on reports mclovin and jay have similar philosophies. No idea if this is accurate or media fluff.



There are legit knocks on Gruden. Lack of QB coach. Lack of media savvy. Etc. . .



Not turning a steaming pile of dog crap into a shiny pile of gold isn't a legit criticism.[/QUOTE]


Is your reading comprehension that bad?

I've said numerous times on this board that rg3 is not a pocket passer. I've said numerous times he would only succeed in a R/O.

Shanahan and others have said Gruden was stubborn and didn't adjust his system to rg3 and that's fine because it's his choice...but with that the pressure is on him to make HIS SYSTEM work with HIS CHOSEN QB.

Next time perhaps you should read exactly what I wrote before responding to what you think you read.

Evilgrin 09-01-2015 08:32 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
There was Griffin before the second ACL tear, and then the guy afterwards who just seemed to get worse the more he played. I don't think the system matters.

Gruden is definately on the hot seat, he should be. He talks as much as anyone.

DYoungJelly 09-01-2015 08:36 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=kingj;1118666]That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.
[/quote]

He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.

I read what you wrote.

There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.

You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.

Click over to the win/loss poll.

What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.

It's a silly ultimatum.

What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?

We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.

htownskinfan 09-01-2015 08:39 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1118508]Fuck Mike Shanahan for leaving RGIII on the field against the Seahawks, he should have been benched after Ngata hit him in the Baltimore game.[/QUOTE]


Right on brother

htownskinfan 09-01-2015 08:41 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1118477]The cousins era has begun.
Mike Shanahan. Loves cousins. "Kirk Cousins is a franchise QB he will be a top 10 QB in this league no doubt about it"[/QUOTE]


I like Kirk but fuck Shanahan and whatever he says, if he's a franchise quarterback then why didn't he start him?

DYoungJelly 09-01-2015 08:53 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
Cooley's film breakdown of the offense from Baltimore:

[url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=13491&f=4785303]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

Cooley theorized the Raven's had a game plan to kill RG3. He said they blitzed like crazy. Every play in the 2 min drill.

It's a really good listen.

SolidSnake84 09-01-2015 08:53 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=DYoungJelly;1118673]He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.

I read what you wrote.

There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.

You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.

Click over to the win/loss poll.

What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.

It's a silly ultimatum.

What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?

We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.[/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there interest in Kirk, but just not at what the Redskins were wanting for him? Weren't they wanting something like a 2nd and a 4th round pick? I could be wrong i just seem to remember people wanting to get Kirk but not at what the Redskins were asking...

kingj 09-01-2015 08:55 PM

Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1118673]He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.



I read what you wrote.



There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.



You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.



Click over to the win/loss poll.



What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.



It's a silly ultimatum.



What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?



We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.[/QUOTE]


Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?

If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.

I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.

WillH 09-01-2015 08:56 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=SolidSnake84;1118677]Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there interest in Kirk, but just not at what the Redskins were wanting for him? Weren't they wanting something like a 2nd and a 4th round pick? I could be wrong i just seem to remember people wanting to get Kirk but not at what the Redskins were asking...[/quote]

I don't think anything better than a 4th was ever offered for him

Hog1 09-01-2015 09:02 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=kingj;1118666]I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.
[B]there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).[/B]
So
He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but [B]now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.[/B][/quote]

Robert and his father basically refused to be a "running" QB.
AND JG has a $25m fully guaranteed gig for 5 years.....we'll see
BUT, I have no problem with SM kicking' his ass to the curb if he cannot get it done.

WillH 09-01-2015 09:07 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=kingj;1118678]Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?

If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.

I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.[/quote]

Yeah, I have to disagree. This team was a train wreck when he got here. The Offensive line is still in development and lack any talented depth, and our secondary is a joke. Scot came in and said it would take several years of drafting and tweaking the roster before this team would be a serious competitor. There is just a serious talent vacuum on this team, and you think Gruden should be let go after 2 seasons with serious issues at QB and a general lack of talent and depth? Why, because the QB he inherited was injury prone, wouldn't run read option, and wouldn't/couldn't learn to be a pocket passer? You either need to explain what we're missing or accept that we think this is a ridiculous assertion.

WillH 09-01-2015 09:10 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
Oh Yay I'm a starter now, I just noticed. It only took 9 years of riding the pine.

SirLK26 09-01-2015 09:21 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
Griffin ran read option plays last year. Please stop saying he won't run them, that is false.

SolidSnake84 09-01-2015 09:22 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[url=http://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/1/9232961/robert-griffin-iii-washington-jay-gruden-dan-snyder-mike-shanahan-injury-concussion]A comprehensive history of how Washington ruined Robert Griffin III's body, mind and spirit - SBNation.com[/url]

This is a good read, but long. This might be the best article I have ever read on RG3's career with the Redskins, which now appears to be in retrospect. There are cool embedded GIF's of RG3's various injuries, and honestly, upon watching them again, were quite gruesome.

His future seemed so immense in 2012, but it was obvious that the knee injury, and concussions are most likely career-ending in the sense that he most likely will never, ever, be anything close to what he once was. Not even a shadow. I think his best bet is to get a fresh start somewhere else, as a backup where he can learn the fine points of the game, and perhaps some team will give him a shot again to start. I just think while only 25, his body has suffered terrible injuries and is no longer up to NFL duty...

NC_Skins 09-01-2015 09:23 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
I don't think anybody gets "riled" up over the non-football stuff, but I have to disagree with anybody's notion that it doesn't matter. Au contraire. When you lose or don't perform, it does matter. It matters. Which is where we've been at since the end of 2012. Non-performing. In the grand scheme of it all, all the inspirational quotes, throwing teammates under bus, social media faux pas doesn't do any "harm" to anybody and it doesn't get in the way of the product on the field come Sunday on a team aspect.

However, let's look a bit deeper and realize while all this other non-football stuff is going on, the more important part of this is being neglected. The football side. So here we have our "franchise QB" is so concerned with his image, that he takes the time at 1am to "set the record" straight with the public. You know, it's quite a shame he didn't undertake his film study with such determination. Hell, while he's thumbing through Instagram liking pictures of himself, he could be watching film and realizing why he's missing pass protection schemes and delayed blitzes.

A few said early on that all those commercials and crap he was doing, was time that could be spent bettering himself as a football player. Yet, here we are 4 years later, and one of the two drafted QBs is known as a film junkie and the other a gym junkie. Which one do you think is starting for 2015? Should he capitalize on his fame and cash in? Sure, if you want to think short term. So he's made 20-30 million, when in reality he could possibly have been making 130-140 million had he focused more on being the passing QB he always talked about. I think he sold himself short on that lottery ticket.

Robert's made a conscious decision to build his "image" to being a star, instead of actually honing his skills to actually be one. Kirk went out and studied the film, knows the offense up and down, and knows what to do out of the field. Robert on the other hand doesn't. He's missing pass protection schemes and not seeing blitzes that should have been picked up at the line of scrimmage. These kinds of things you learn from film study. Period.

Also, many of those social faux pas done in interviews/instagram/facebook/twitter tell us a great deal about this individual. It tells us he's insecure and it also tells us he doesn't learn from mistakes because he continues to make them over and over again.(granted he's been taken out of context as well at times) If the guy doesn't get it when it comes to social settings, what makes anybody think he'll get complex defenses?

So keep saying it doesn't matter, but the reality of it is that it does. Very few neglect the cerebral side of being a QB and have a long career. This applies to many QBs that have come into this league, and not just Robert.

DYoungJelly 09-01-2015 09:24 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=kingj;1118678]Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?

If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.

I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.[/quote]

I would really like to see some continuity. I think there is some inherent value in not changing up every few years if you have a talented staff.

Gruden's offense in Cincy put up some great numbers over several seasons but he had a certain player type to work with. He had an outstanding offensive line, huge receivers and two big TE's that could catch and block. Look at the stats he put up with Andy Dalton. That type of offensive success in the same division with the Ravens and Steelers is an accomplishment.

I think Gruden has upside. If we are moving to a power blocking line and McLovin's prototypical draft pick is what Gruden has already had success with I don't want to move on too early.

Not that Gruden is Marty Shottenheimer, I just don't want to bring in another Steve Spurrier after two years.

Last year seemed like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I'm for squaring up the hole and seeing what happens.

As for mistakes, he hasn't repeated the same bone head mistakes he made as a rookie head coach. New QB coach, no delay of game penalties, and has handled the media in the middle of a shit storm ok.

To be clear, unless there is a head coaching candidate that you just can't turn down (if there was, he wouldn't come to Washington anyway), then stay the course.

SolidSnake84 09-01-2015 09:30 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
Speaking of social media:

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/09/01/rgiii-blames-intern-for-liking-instagram-post-critical-of-daniel-snyder/[/url]

What do you think? Is RG3 innocent on this one?

SolidSnake84 09-01-2015 09:34 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=DYoungJelly;1118687]I would really like to see some continuity. I think there is some inherent value in not changing up every few years if you have a talented staff.

Gruden's offense in Cincy put up some great numbers over several seasons but he had a certain player type to work with. He had an outstanding offensive line, huge receivers and two big TE's that could catch and block. Look at the stats he put up with Andy Dalton. That type of offensive success in the same division with the Ravens and Steelers is an accomplishment.

I think Gruden has upside. If we are moving to a power blocking line and McLovin's prototypical draft pick is what Gruden has already had success with I don't want to move on too early.

Not that Gruden is Marty Shottenheimer, I just don't want to bring in another Steve Spurrier after two years.

Last year seemed like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I'm for squaring up the hole and seeing what happens.

As for mistakes, he hasn't repeated the same bone head mistakes he made as a rookie head coach. New QB coach, no delay of game penalties, and has handled the media in the middle of a shit storm ok.

To be clear, unless there is a head coaching candidate that you just can't turn down (if there was, he wouldn't come to Washington anyway), then stay the course.[/quote]

You know a buddy and I were talking the other night about all of the coaches that have came and went in Washington, so let me ask you....

What is the benefit of being HC with all that is known about ownership, etc.. Is it solely the money? I mean i have a hard time believing that the job is attractive with all the dysfunction, etc, knowing that he doesn't have final say on who plays, etc...

kingj 09-01-2015 10:18 PM

Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
I would love for Gruden to succeed because it gets old with the dysfunction and coaching carousel.

I just think he has put himself in a tough situation with how he dealt with press last season. Maybe he recovers and we chalk it up to rookie coach mistakes, but I just see pressure on him to at least get to 6 wins. I would consider it passable if they are much more competitive (in close games) than last season.

WillH 09-01-2015 10:21 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=SolidSnake84;1118688]Speaking of social media:

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/09/01/rgiii-blames-intern-for-liking-instagram-post-critical-of-daniel-snyder/[/url]

What do you think? Is RG3 innocent on this one?[/quote]

i have a few questions:

Who's intern? His? The Redskins'? If it's the Redskins', why didn't they "set the record straight?" Was this intern fired? If it's his . . . WTF? Where do I get my intern? Was this intern trying to get him in trouble, or just stupid? Why the hell didn't he delete his account anyways? Or why not suspend the account until he started winning? Finally, who the fuck cares anyways?

SmootSmack 09-01-2015 10:31 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
When and where did someone suggest the decision to bench Rob was based in racism?


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NC_Skins 09-01-2015 10:40 PM

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 
[quote=SmootSmack;1118693]When and where did someone suggest the decision to bench Rob was based in racism?


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I believe those dolts on "The Man Cave" brought up race during hour 2 this morning.

[url=http://www.espn980.com/the-man-cave/]The Man Cave | ESPN 980[/url]

The podcast is there. I had to skip around that segment because most of it hurts my head. I think I may have listened to about 3 mins of that entire thing. I'm pissed you guys actually made my curiosity research that shit.. :laughing-


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