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I'm not sure why people are calling this a trap game. "Trap game" implies that this team is considered significantly better than the Giants and are perhaps looking ahead to a more superior opponent or more meaningful game with the Eagles.

Neither is true, at least so far as we know right now.

I do know that the Giants should have beat Dallas in their house to open the season - and that is no small task. I don't know how good the Falcons will be this year, but they should have won that game too. They have their weaknesses, but so do the Redskins. Nope, wouldn't consider this a trap game at all...just a tough division game on the road that can be won if they play like they did last week.

There is a lot of BS reporting circulating this team (according to Captain Obvious). Even after a nice win - all of a sudden RG3 and Kirk can't even be in the same room. hahaha - @ anonymous reporters...

I think this current team with its current leadership are able to tune that crap out. Doesn't mean they like it, but they can acknowledge it, dismiss it and get on with business.

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[url=http://nypost.com/2015/09/22/giant-question-will-jon-beason-victor-cruz-play-vs-redskins/]Giant question: Will Jon Beason, Victor Cruz play vs. Redskins? | New York Post[/url]

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Of the many ....many frustrating things about the Skins in recent years (did I say MANY things), it is the fact we came not to....matter. Nobody in the media referred to us in a positive light of any kind if at all. THAT is changing. We are beginning to get some well deserved love from the media. Most importantly, we are beginning to matter once more.
Good for the guys to get some well deserved positive press.......

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Hope they just stay consistent, don't care about winning as much.

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Schefter, one of the few that I really respect in the national media, has been saying for months now that the skins would make noise. He actually had them potentially making playoffs.

His reasoning was he knows scot, his people and his friends around the league.

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I'm still very concerned about the play of our ST's. In the last game, Crowder fumbled a punt deep in our territory (but he got it back) and Way shanked a punt at a critical time in the game when we were pinned back against our goal line (the D bailed him out).

Crowder is not using good judgement on when to call for a fair catch, IMO. He's too keen on the idea of breaking a return and not concerned enough about ball security. Way just seemed to foul up at a bad time (choke?).

IMO, we lost our first game because of poor ST play and we had some bad ST plays that fortunately didn't cost us in our second game. But we're just not good enough to overcome ST disasters. I think the Giants are going to challenge us with a couple of surprises on ST.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1122223]I'm still very concerned about the play of our ST's. In the last game, Crowder fumbled a punt deep in our territory (but he got it back) and Way shanked a punt at a critical time in the game when we were pinned back against our goal line (the D bailed him out).

Crowder is not using good judgement on when to call for a fair catch, IMO. He's too keen on the idea of breaking a return and not concerned enough about ball security. Way just seemed to foul up at a bad time (choke?).

IMO, we lost our first game because of poor ST play and we had some bad ST plays that fortunately didn't cost us in our second game. But we're just not good enough to overcome ST disasters. I think the Giants are going to challenge us with a couple of surprises on ST.[/quote]

we need to block their gunners on punts much better. they have been getting down the field way to easy

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1122223]I'm still very concerned about the play of our ST's. In the last game, Crowder fumbled a punt deep in our territory (but he got it back) and Way shanked a punt at a critical time in the game when we were pinned back against our goal line (the D bailed him out).

Crowder is not using good judgement on when to call for a fair catch, IMO. He's too keen on the idea of breaking a return and not concerned enough about ball security. Way just seemed to foul up at a bad time (choke?).

IMO, we lost our first game because of poor ST play and we had some bad ST plays that fortunately didn't cost us in our second game. But we're just not good enough to overcome ST disasters. I think the Giants are going to challenge us with a couple of surprises on ST.[/quote]

As far as Way is concerned, they were specifically asking him not to kick it as far as normal due to Tavon Austin being the returner. When you ask a player to completely change up his technique that he has been using his whole life, a mistake is bound to happen. You dont just change someones way of doing things and expect immediate perfection. Its never going to work out that way.

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Keys to a win....

Pressure - absolutely need to.pressure eli... Throw.in some run blitzs and cover 2 schemes becuz they will.be.drawing and screening I'm sure, if we don't get pressure, eli is much better than the.qbs we have faced and he will pick us apart, like he always does...

Continue to pound the ball. Enough said.

Use more screens, they WILL be blitzing often on kirk to try n force mistakes... So combat it with screens and maybe some read option type runs and some pitches to the outside, set the edge on offense...

No special teams errors, just can't afford it...

Control the clock, and wear them down.

Practice with noise, its gonna be loud tomorow.night....

Must win for them, we need to play with heart, fight our guts out and control the game...

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[quote=Meks;1122234]Keys to a win....

Pressure - absolutely need to.pressure eli... Throw.in some run blitzs and cover 2 schemes becuz they will.be.drawing and screening I'm sure, if we don't get pressure, eli is much better than the.qbs we have faced and he will pick us apart, like he always does...

Continue to pound the ball. Enough said.

Use more screens, they WILL be blitzing often on kirk to try n force mistakes... So combat it with screens and maybe some read option type runs and some pitches to the outside, set the edge on offense...

No special teams errors, just can't afford it...

Control the clock, and wear them down.

Practice with noise, its gonna be loud tomorow.night....

Must win for them, we need to play with heart, fight our guts out and control the game...[/quote]

Agreed on all accounts. This game is going to set the tone for the rest of the season for both teams. The hungrier team will win.

"We're going inside of ‘em, we're going outside of ‘em -- inside of ‘em! outside of ‘em! -- and when we get them on the run once, we're going to keep ‘em on the run. And we're not going to pass unless their secondary comes up too close. But don't forget, men -- we're gonna get ‘em on the run, we're gonna go, go, go, go! -- and we aren't going to stop until we go over that goal line! And don't forget, men -- today is the day we're gonna win. They can't lick us -- and that's how it goes... The first platoon men -- go in there and fight, fight, fight, fight, fight! What do you say, men!"

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1122223]I'm still very concerned about the play of our ST's. In the last game, Crowder fumbled a punt deep in our territory (but he got it back) and Way shanked a punt at a critical time in the game when we were pinned back against our goal line (the D bailed him out).

Crowder is not using good judgement on when to call for a fair catch, IMO. He's too keen on the idea of breaking a return and not concerned enough about ball security. Way just seemed to foul up at a bad time (choke?).

IMO, we lost our first game because of poor ST play and we had some bad ST plays that fortunately didn't cost us in our second game. But we're just not good enough to overcome ST disasters. I think the Giants are going to challenge us with a couple of surprises on ST.[/quote]

I would agree here. The defense bailed out that shank. We almost had a punt blocked as well. Teams still continues to be a struggle.

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In the first game last year Larry Donnell had a field day against our LB's. Could be a fantasy sleeper! He just abused Riley. I'm sure they'll be looking at that matchup again.

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Except that Riley is probably not going to play Thursday.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/20094/redskins-lb-perry-riley-unlikely-to-play-against-the-giants]Washington Redskins LB Perry Riley unlikely to play against the Giants - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1122223]I'm still very concerned about the play of our ST's. In the last game, Crowder fumbled a punt deep in our territory (but he got it back) and Way shanked a punt at a critical time in the game when we were pinned back against our goal line (the D bailed him out).

[B]Crowder is not using good judgement on when to call for a fair catch, IMO. He's too keen on the idea of breaking a return and not concerned enough about ball security.[/B] Way just seemed to foul up at a bad time (choke?) ...[.][/quote]

More relevant, informative material from "The Media."

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/20096/jamison-crowder-always-seeking-big-punt-return-for-redskins]Jamison Crowder always seeking big punt return for Washington Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

As for Way's kicks, Gruden said in his post game presser that they were kicking away from Austin and that caused Way to lose yardage on his punts. In other words, I don't think Way choked; rather, I think he is likely not a very good directional kicker yet.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1122202][url=http://nypost.com/2015/09/22/giant-question-will-jon-beason-victor-cruz-play-vs-redskins/]Giant question: Will Jon Beason, Victor Cruz play vs. Redskins? | New York Post[/url][/quote]

No to either. They will be be inactive.

Re: Week 3: Redskins v Giants
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1122253]More relevant, informative material from "The Media."

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/20096/jamison-crowder-always-seeking-big-punt-return-for-redskins]Jamison Crowder always seeking big punt return for Washington Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

As for Way's kicks, Gruden said in his post game presser that they were kicking away from Austin and that caused Way to lose yardage on his punts. In other words, I don't think Way choked; rather, I think he is likely not a very good directional kicker yet.[/quote]

Stop making sense, I like the "he choked" angle better. Clearly he's just a bad punter, even though he led the league in average last year.

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I am trying not to get over-hyped for this game. (might be too late since I already have off from work)

This is the game where we put up.

This is the game that we announce to the rest of the NFC East that YES! we are gonna run it down their throats.

This is the game that will test how much Jay/McVay are willing to stick with the Callahan gameplan when the going gets rough, and it will.

It will be tempting to air it out against the Giants because their pass defense has been porous on paper.
But if we are gonna be a run team...this is the game where Bill, Alf and Matt announce their presence with authority.

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I predicted losses for the first two games and I picked us to be beaten pretty handily by the Rams, so...in the interests of superstition, I'm picking the Giants to embarrass us on national television...52-16 :)

This game is HUGE. This game is a tone-setter for the rest of the year IMO. Usually the third week of the regular season is not the end-all-be-all, however, considering all the negativity and recent years of losing...beating the Giants AT MET Life Stadium, could signal a major shift in the direction of our franchise. Would be a huge statement as well for both Gruden and Cousins...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1122246]In the first game last year Larry Donnell had a field day against our LB's. Could be a fantasy sleeper! He just abused Riley. I'm sure they'll be looking at that matchup again.[/quote]

Sad that Riley's out, but Compton is MUCH better in coverage for us. He can actually run with LBs.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1122264]Sad that Riley's out, but Compton is MUCH better in coverage for us. He can actually run with LBs.[/quote]

He is. Perry Riley is a thumper though and so far has been a much better fit in Barry's coverages than last year's.

Riley brings more pain than Compton, but against a Manning it may work out.

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[quote=mooby;1122256]Stop making sense, I like the "he choked" angle better. Clearly he's just a bad punter, even though he led the league in average last year.[/quote]

Choke or not, he shanked that punt late in the game deep in our territory. Since he was asked to kick away from a dangerous return man and he hasn't had much in-game experience at directional punting, not to mention your irrelevant point that he led the league in average last season, is it then OK for him to shank one late in a close game? The correct answer is "Hell no!".

Bottom line: He ****ed up. I don't know why he shanked that punt but he definitely shanked it. Nobody punts the ball 27 yards or 17 yards or whatever the distance of that punt was on purpose.

He's a good punter. I never said he wasn't. You inferred that. His rare bad punt was just one example of a poor ST play. Nevertheless, my point is that we can't have people on ST continuing to make crucial mistakes if we're going to beat the Giants or anyone else.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1122255]No to either. They will be be inactive.[/quote]

Sorry guys, it looks like Beason may play but Cruz and Rodgers-Cromartie are out.

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Wow no DRC, kirk could have a field day with that sorry secondary

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Cruz-and-DRC-out-Ereck-Flowers-doubtful-vs-Redskins-39663795]Cruz and DRC out, Ereck Flowers doubtful vs. Redskins[/url]

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1122273]Choke or not, he shanked that punt late in the game deep in our territory. Since he was asked to kick away from a dangerous return man and he hasn't had much in-game experience at directional punting, not to mention your irrelevant point that he led the league in average last season, is it then OK for him to shank one late in a close game? The correct answer is "Hell no!".



Bottom line: He ****ed up. I don't know why he shanked that punt but he definitely shanked it. Nobody punts the ball 27 yards or 17 yards or whatever the distance of that punt was on purpose.



He's a good punter. I never said he wasn't. You inferred that. His rare bad punt was just one example of a poor ST play. Nevertheless, my point is that we can't have people on ST continuing to make crucial mistakes if we're going to beat the Giants or anyone else.[/QUOTE]


You know things are good when our biggest discussion point/argument is whether or not out punter screwed up a punt in a win. HTTR

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[quote=punch it in;1122292]You know things are good when our biggest discussion point/argument is whether or not out punter screwed up a punt in a win. HTTR[/quote]

Agreed. That is part of the optimism that seems to be creeping in around the edges here. Players that we all agree should be gone, are actually, well... gone. And even if we don't all agree, say like Kai, the general flow is that underperformance, even if not killing the team, just won't be considered acceptable.

That makes the games more fun to watch, because everyone looks like they are supposed to be on a football field. I just hope the season continues this trend!

Re: Week 3: Redskins v Giants
 

if their LT can't suit up, that'd make things much easier for our DL.

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We need to pound Eli. He doesn't respond well to pressure. Plus, I don't like Eli. I'd love to see a sack-fest in the Giants backfield.

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Mel Kiper made this comments about Terrance Plummer before the senior bowl, nice to hear.

On Terrance Plummer: Terrance Plummer, who is an overachieving middle linebacker, very productive, always around the ball, never on the ground. Interesting guy as a late round pick. I think Plummer all over the field in a number of games this year. The Missouri game was a game you look back at he looked like he could be a third or fourth round pick. But I think in the late rounds, Plummer would make a lot of sense. If he's not drafted, he could be a real steal at that point.

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Redskins 28
Giants 13

MoJo combine for 175 yards and 3 TDs, and we force 2 TOs

I hope I am right.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1122273]Choke or not, he shanked that punt late in the game deep in our territory. Since he was asked to kick away from a dangerous return man and he hasn't had much in-game experience at directional punting, not to mention your irrelevant point that he led the league in average last season, is it then OK for him to shank one late in a close game? The correct answer is "Hell no!".

Bottom line: He ****ed up. I don't know why he shanked that punt but he definitely shanked it. Nobody punts the ball 27 yards or 17 yards or whatever the distance of that punt was on purpose.

He's a good punter. I never said he wasn't. You inferred that. His rare bad punt was just one example of a poor ST play. Nevertheless, my point is that we can't have people on ST continuing to make crucial mistakes if we're going to beat the Giants or anyone else.[/quote]

It's easy to complain about a shanked punt but had he done the same against Miami, we might be 2-0 right now..

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[quote=RedskinJake;1122338]It's easy to complain about a shanked punt but had he done the same against Miami, we might be 2-0 right now..[/quote]

Good point.

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I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready to see our OL/DL put their foot up some NY asses tonight.

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Eli looked terrible in the preseason but that didnt carry over,Giants could easily be 2-0 just like us.Eli has owned us in his career{15-6} and I dont see this game being any different.I see this being close but I think once again we find a way to lose,either by penalties or special teams.

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If there is a game Ryan Grant could break out, its tonight. This is a good match up for him.Prince amukamora(sp) should shadow Garcon. Jordan Reed officially has the attention of defense cordinators after last weeks performance. Also Spags likes to move folks up to take away the run...and with our attack, it will be Spags/Coughlin's focus tonight. Brandon Merriweather is a starting Strong Safety.

Ryan Grant bring your A game son, cause you will have opportunities.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1122154]And the injury curse strikes again:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Linebacker-Martrell-Spaight-Out-For-Season/9f48bd0e-8231-43b1-8695-7afa3dea8531?sf13360078=1]Linebacker Martrell Spaight Out For Season[/url][/quote]

Entire season for a concussion?That doesnt sound right,the guy's a rookie,its not like he's a veteran with a history of concussions,this doesnt make sense.

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there should be enough tape now on offense that i imagine D coord starting stacking the box to take away the run.

we have been horrible at second half adjustments.

really hope we adjust to the D coordinators adjustments.

hopefully kirk doesnt implode with more passing responsibility.

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Don't let Giants get a fast start

First time our OL will face crowd noise, communication is key.

Contain Beckham and their TE

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[quote=htownskinfan;1122346]Entire season for a concussion?That doesnt sound right,the guy's a rookie,its not like he's a veteran with a history of concussions,this doesnt make sense.[/quote]

He's not yet ready for the NFL but he has potential, so they're stashing him on IR.

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i wont link to his article and I feel like im the last one hoping on this bus but ...

Mike Wise is an ahole. He dropped another article saying the skins name change is inevitable ..... on the day the skins play a featured nationally televised game.

dude, drop it. move back to hawaii. listen to some jack johnson. grab a bite with colt. but just drop your personal vendetta.