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I'm not sold on Long as LG or Licht as C anymore. Raji pushed him into last week & LeRib was thrown around all year. We have to be stout, especially in the middle.

And our short yardage backs are HORRIBLE.
What ever happened to diving over the pile?

We end up walking into the line standing up & getting stuffed, followed by a 2 yard loss.

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[quote=Giantone;1137281]??? I thought the guy handled everything very well with alot of class.[/quote]Many Redskins fans have long since turned on Griffin.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1137054]Well now that it's over let's look at the future.....[Kirk] He deserves it after this season, he carried the offense the whole yr. Run game was weak all yr for the most part.

Keep building the oline and defense and we are fine.[/quote]I think the WRs corps needs to be overhauled.

Jay's offense is decidedly pass first. Jay's offense, by design, trades runs for short passes. While that's good for passing yardage numbers it imo degrades run game production. As logical by product of pass centered offense is more time and emphasis gets devoted in practice and gameplan to the pass then the run. So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.

Anyhow...looking ahead I think the number 1 need for this team is a #1 WR.
A true #1 WR in today' hands free secondary can change an offense. Imo one of the flaws in our passing offense is that Garcon doesn't consistently win nor separate when the play design doesn't do it for him. (Kyle was great at that btw). If the play calls for X to 'win' and gain separation on their on against press or man-under defense Pierre doesn't win often enough. DeSean on the other hand almost always 'wins' 1 on 1s press/man-under, or whatever. But DeSean doesn't run the whole route tree. In breaking routes, between the hashes/numbers isn't DeSean strength.

A WCO with a #1 WR that consistently 'wins' changes everything.

I would also try to create as physically a dominating OL as possible. I believe Jay will stick with run game more if the OL can maul dudes.

Going forward my draft/offseason priorities are:
WRs, CB, 34 DE, Pass Rusher, OG/C, Blocking/Well rounded TE, NT, QB

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[quote=30gut;1137288]So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.[/quote]

Interesting take.

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[quote=Bangee7;1137284]I'm not sold on Long as LG or Licht as C anymore. Raji pushed him into last week & LeRib was thrown around all year. We have to be stout, especially in the middle.

And our short yardage backs are HORRIBLE.
What ever happened to diving over the pile?

We end up walking into the line standing up & getting stuffed, followed by a 2 yard loss.[/quote]

Remember Shawn Lauvao is still under contract and in his prime. He showed in camp, preaseason, and the first couple games of the season he was our best run blocking lineman. He should retain the left guard position

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[quote=Giantone;1137281]??? I thought the guy handled everything very well with alot of class.[/quote]

He did. But he can't win with some fans no matter what he does. He deserves a fresh start somewhere else.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1137290]Interesting take.[/quote]The same thing happened in Cinci. Dalton put up nice numbers at the expense of the run game. Its actually less about Kirk and more about Jay's offense. But, for me when one praises the QB in Jay Gruden's pass centric offense its that same pass centric focus that imo limits the run game in the first place.

Just look at the numbers from the last game. At a glance Kirk posted better numbers then Rodgers. But I would trade a bunch of those passes into Alf runs and maybe that would have been more productive/efficient?

Anyhow...if we're gonna be a passing team, Kirk would be all that much better if he had a Dez or an Odell or even a Randall Cobb.

What areas do you want addressed going forward?

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[quote=30gut;1137288]I think the WRs corps needs to be overhauled.

Jay's offense is decidedly pass first. Jay's offense, by design, trades runs for short passes. While that's good for passing yardage numbers it imo degrades run game production. As logical by product of pass centered offense is more time and emphasis gets devoted in practice and gameplan to the pass then the run. So, Kirk carrying the offense is imo a major part of the reason the run game was weak.

Anyhow...looking ahead I think the number 1 need for this team is a #1 WR.
A true #1 WR in today' hands free secondary can change an offense. Imo one of the flaws in our passing offense is that Garcon doesn't consistently win nor separate when the play design doesn't do it for him. (Kyle was great at that btw). If the play calls for X to 'win' and gain separation on their on against press or man-under defense Pierre doesn't win often enough. DeSean on the other hand almost always 'wins' 1 on 1s press/man-under, or whatever. But DeSean doesn't run the whole route tree. In breaking routes, between the hashes/numbers isn't DeSean strength.

A WCO with a #1 WR that consistently 'wins' changes everything.

I would also try to create as physically a dominating OL as possible. I believe Jay will stick with run game more if the OL can maul dudes.

Going forward my draft/offseason priorities are:
WRs, CB, 34 DE, Pass Rusher, OG/C, Blocking/Well rounded TE, NT, QB[/quote]

Well u need to put RB on the list and fairly high.
Initial list

1. strong safety
2. Mauler/large Center
3. ILB (along side Compton)
4. RB
5. CB
6. Run Blocking TE
7 WR

There will be decisions to make with Pot Roast/Hatcher along the DL...it would be no surprise if we go d line first in draft. They are some ballers on the dline in this draft.

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[quote=Chico23231;1137295]Remember Shawn Lauvao is still under contract and in his prime. He showed in camp, preaseason, and the first couple games of the season he was our best run blocking lineman. He should retain the left guard position[/quote]

yep, good point...I forgot about him.

hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

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Lauvao has also undergone 5 surgeries in 3 months...

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/11/redskins-left-guard-shawn-lauvao-had-combined-five/]Redskins' Shawn Lauvao recovering from five surgeries in three months - Washington Times[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1137303]Lauvao has also undergone 5 surgeries in 3 months...

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/11/redskins-left-guard-shawn-lauvao-had-combined-five/]Redskins' Shawn Lauvao recovering from five surgeries in three months - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

Damn. He got five on it. long and that rookie guard from Alabama still have promise.

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Upgrade the o line and our backfield will be fine. Really would love to be more effective running and running often. ... upgrade the trenches and work your way out...m secondary after that for me.... by now we are at like round 4 so dunno where we would go from there

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[quote=MTK;1137303]Lauvao has also undergone 5 surgeries in 3 months...

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/11/redskins-left-guard-shawn-lauvao-had-combined-five/]Redskins' Shawn Lauvao recovering from five surgeries in three months - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

Holy crap......

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[quote=Giantone;1137281]??? I thought the guy handled everything very well with alot of class.[/quote]

Man I like him and all but my god just let it go.. Not saying I don't wish him well because I do but did he really have to leave some long ass message in his locker? Idk just not my kind of thing I guess

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[quote=30gut;1137299]The same thing happened in Cinci. Dalton put up nice numbers at the expense of the run game. Its actually less about Kirk and more about Jay's offense. But, for me when one praises the QB in Jay Gruden's pass centric offense its that same pass centric focus that imo limits the run game in the first place.

Just look at the numbers from the last game. At a glance Kirk posted better numbers then Rodgers. But I would trade a bunch of those passes into Alf runs and maybe that would have been more productive/efficient?

Anyhow...if we're gonna be a passing team, Kirk would be all that much better if he had a Dez or an Odell or even a Randall Cobb.

What areas do you want addressed going forward?[/quote]

I actually agree with you and Chico. Although I would put pass rusher at the top. Putting pressure on the QB changes the entire dynamic of the defense and can mask deficiencies at other positions.

Would love to have a true 6'4" #1 WR and a true #1 CB. I think pass rush, WR and CB should be something a team should be willing to pay for while developing talent.

Not sure where we stand on safety either. Hall was playing well and Ihenacho was playing well but is injury prone. I would guess an upgrade is coming.

I think we are going to be serviceable at TE with Niles Paul coming back. Niles Paul is an absolute junk yard dog on special teams and I'm sure he will bring the same attitude to blocking in the run game. He can't block a DE but he will give it hell and has great hands.

Also, not sure what Mclovin thinks about Spaight. I'm really interested to see how things develop this off season.

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when u have a guy like JReed things will be much easier on u, he's basically a #1 WR if u think about it.

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Lol I love the haters on the nfl pages on Facebook all saying the skins suck and got lucky and kirk is not any good he ain't shit without reed etc hahahaha I just talk shit back and give stats and they hate it especially the Eagles fans

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Many of you are talking about drafting a LG, we don't need one Kouandjio (from everything I read he has nasty attitude) will win that job next year. We do need a C.

[url=http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/10/arie_kouandjio_eager_to_turn_n.html]Arie Kouandjio eager to turn 'nasty streak' loose for Washington Redskins | AL.com[/url]


Strengths:
Strong run-blocker
Gets movement in the ground game
Can handle heavy nose tackles and undersized speed-rushers
Powerful drive-blocker
Flashes heavy hands
Athletic interior lineman
Ability to sustain blocks
Physical
[B]Can display a mean streak[/B]
Good technique with hand placement
Reliable in short yardage
Good feet
Quick to the second level
Scheme flexibility, ability to work in a man or zone scheme
Ability to stay on his feet
Improved pass-protector in college
Anchors well against bull-rushers
Durable
Experienced
Upside
High floor
Safe pick

Weaknesses:
Had some pass protection issues early in his career
Strong, but physically overwhelming
Has some stiffness

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Our oline is fine guys yes we need a C and G but scot and Bill calahan will have that under control. Our main worries will be staying healthy enough to make a long run. Look at how young we are and all those guys already got great experience. We lost because we are not ready for the moment yet but just wait until next yr around this time when we will be right back in the playoffs. I'm not worried at all

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My draft priority in a perfect world where each player in every round was equally good:

1. DE (Hatcher and Golston are probably gone)
2. NT (time for young long term answer)
3. CB (we need depth here)
4. Safety (Johnson was a bust and Goldson/Hall are getting up there. Duke is injury prone)
5. RB (Morris is probably gone)
6. TE (need depth behind Reed/Paul)
7. Anyone that can play special teams

I would like more picks to get a G/C. Hopefully Kory and Shawn come back healthy next year and we can get some depth in free agency as needed.

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Clemsoning is still alive and well. Give up an onside kick and a kick return for a touchdown. And let a TE who hadn't caught a TD all year dominate them.

Damn, football has sucked the last 3 days.

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One interesting guy we had on the PS and just resigned for next year is Lynden Trail. He's raw and needs development but has nice size as a DE at 6'7" 269lbs.

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1137086]

Besides 1 year at 10 mil is a great deal[/quote]


Not for a QB who just had a record setting year it isn't.

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[quote=Chico23231;1137300]Well u need to put RB on the list and fairly high.[/quote]Sure for some coaches that is true for other coaches not so much. For me Jay falls into the not so much category. Net-net a "bluechip" WR is gonna have more impact on Jay's offense then a RB.

Everyone has different visions of the team they want and how to build it.
But, I think first a objective view of both where the current team is AND the vision the current HC and GM might have play a role in making the projections about draft.

That being said its tough to make a list of needs in order because the draft for me is about drafting the BPA and hopeful that addressing a position of need.

So in that vain if [U][I][B]quickly[/B][/I][/U] grade out the position groups based on level of production and depth and mix in overall impact delivered vs expected...this is what I get.....

DEF:
DL--D
ILBs--D (scheme might be the cause)
OLBs--B
CBs--D
S--C
Pass Rush--Never, ever, have enough

OFF:
QB--B
RB--B w/ Alf C w/o
WR--C-
TE--C
OL--B

My main problems on offense:
Lack of WR that consistently wins
Lack of Edge blocking in the run game
Lack of Inside push in the run game/shotgun snap consistency

Main problems on defense:
Stopping the run (our rush defense actually got worse/part I think is scheme related)
Pass coverage
Pass rush



Trying to prioritize:
(1) WR (2) DL (3) Pass Rusher (4) CB (5) TE (6) OL (7) ILB (8) QB (9) S (10) RB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1137278]I'm over rg3 thank God he's leaving. Yeah I like the guy and all but he's an attention whore[/quote]

Just don't understand why he couldn't say a few simple things to the media..."really looking forward to a new chapter in my career." Instead he puts this stuff up from the freakin' bible?? And tapes it to his locker? I wonder how long he had that planned..

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^30gut I think McC vision with the personnel over rules Jay's offense. I still think Defense will be the primary focus this offseason.

But an injuried/fumbling Matt Jones and an Alfred Morris who is on his way out leaves us with clear Starting Running Back issues. We can look Chris Thompson who is another piece, who is another RB with an extensive injury history.

We need multiple Running Backs additions and like I stated before, I could see 2 new running backs on the roster opening day along side Matt Jones.

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1137095]I'm saying offer hims what he's worth, not more

And if he's not willing to accept it, then so be it, he's not so good that we can't afford to lose him.

He's not a top tier QB, I'd hesitate before even putting him in tier two.

We won't be lost without him.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. Offer him what he is worth, and it's a good thing you aren't the one to figure that out.

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[quote=Chico23231;1137346]^30gut I think McC vision with the personnel over rules Jay's offense.[/quote]It must be a shared vision, I don't view it as Scott vs Jay. Scott is providing the pieces for Jay's vision, he's providing the pieces for him. If Jay asks for a pipe wrench Scott isn't going to hand him a screwdriver.


[quote]But an injuried/fumbling Matt Jones and an Alfred Morris who is on his way out leaves us with clear Starting Running Back issues. We can look Chris Thompson who is another piece, who is another RB with an extensive injury history.

We need multiple Running Backs additions and like I stated before, I could see 2 new running backs on the roster opening day along side Matt Jones.[/quote]I would just re-sign Alf. I wouldn't want to dig a hole and then have to turn around and fill it.

And if they let Alf walk then they gotta be confident in Matt Jones as their lead back. I agree we should draft a RB but for me for this team its just not a priority compared to other areas.

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Even if you go with Jones, my concern is the constant rotation at running back. The only success I felt like we had was either a result of the line earlier in the season or having backs like Morris get into a rhythm. I don't know many backs that aren't Darren Sproles who come in for a single carry and take it to the house.

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I think its evident to most that Alfred Morris is not in the plans. Matt Jones still green.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1137352]Even if you go with Jones, my concern is the constant rotation at running back. The only success I felt like we had was either a result of the line earlier in the season or having backs like Morris get into a rhythm. I don't know many backs that aren't Darren Sproles who come in for a single carry and take it to the house.[/quote]Guess unless you get someone like an Adrian Person or Clinton Portis, running back by committee really is as common now as a WR rotation.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1137265]RG3 is one weird dude.[/quote]

His parents have been fanning the flame of his ego his entire life. If anything I thought this season would have hopefully brought him back down to earth. He's in a battle against any person or organization that doesn't happen to see his greatness. You can only get away with that attitude when you are winning. When you are not winning and have that attitude you just look like an ass.

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Edge rusher (maybe Galette- but do we draft one high before we know he is fully healed and capable? Absolutely- as 30 gut said - you can never have enough pass rush)
S
CB
OL
DL
RB
TE (for depth)
WR

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[quote=HailGreen28;1137356]Guess unless you get someone like an Adrian Person or Clinton Portis, running back by committee really is as common now as a WR rotation.[/quote]

I agree, but it's like we let one back have a carry, rotate in another back. That back gets a carry, rotate in another back. I'd love to see ONE back get the carries for an entire series with another back coming in for only a couple of plays to spell the lead back.

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My biggest concern for Jay is that his default setting is to pass. A running game requires real commitment and patience. To me, Jay gives lip service to the run game but, in his heart of hearts, would prefer to pass for two yards than grind it out. Scot, on the other hand, strikes me as a down and dirty mudder. Eventually, I see this creating some tension.

With that said, it is a passing league now and to try and win the way we did in the 80's is simply not feasible. At the same time, it is not a one-dimensional passing game either; if the run is not a viable threat at all, as happened Sunday, then we simply cannot compete with the big boys.

I really hope the off-season shows a commitment to getting down and dirty, to beating up the opposing team, and kicking them when they are down (in a nice-sportsmanlike way, of course). Just not yet sold that Jay is the guy to do that. Scot, yes. Jay maybe.

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In terms of drafting, I go after D early and often. Safety & ILB - speed and power in the middle of the fiddle at the 2nd and 3rd level. We simply lack that on D - lots of good/respectable players but no game changers.

Any Ray Lewis/Brian Ulacher types available in the draft??

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1137342]Just don't understand why he couldn't say a few simple things to the media..."really looking forward to a new chapter in my career." Instead he puts this stuff up from the freakin' bible?? And tapes it to his locker? I wonder how long he had that planned..[/QUOTE]


It was in his locker most of the year. His words whether written or spoken would be dissected regardless. I'm guessing he's just had it with talking to the media for now.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1137363]In terms of drafting, I go after D early and often. Safety & ILB - speed and power in the middle of the fiddle at the 2nd and 3rd level. We simply lack that on D - lots of good/respectable players but no game changers.

Any Ray Lewis/Brian Ulacher types available in the draft??[/quote]

This this this....im looking for our Kam Chancellor and Bobby Wagner combo at SS and ILB. I know both these position aren't flashy, but positions who rack up tackles and stop the run. Physical positions.

Wagner is that volume, sure tackler who kills it in the run game. Line him up right next to Wil Compton.

Kam is a strong safety who is another linebacker who plays close to the line for run support and athletic enough to cover and help. We need this.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1137363]In terms of drafting, I go after D early and often. Safety & ILB - speed and power in the middle of the fiddle at the 2nd and 3rd level. We simply lack that on D - lots of good/respectable players but no game changers.

Any Ray Lewis/Brian Ulacher types available in the draft??[/quote]

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133849/reggie-ragland]Recent news on Reggie Ragland - Alabama Crimson Tide - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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I'm wondering if we could get Matt Forte on the cheap.

Would you guys consider bringing in Ray Rice?