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sanu really REALLY isn't worth that deal. i think all the RBs got overpaid too. chris ivory has had exactly 1 1,000 yard season (and it was under 1100 yards), yet he's worth 6m+ a year? really?

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[quote=Schneed10;1140557]Out of 86 pro bowlers last year, only two were 2015 free agents.

You're getting solid players, not stars.[/quote]


Patriots have been going to super bowls with solid players and not stars for years.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1140566]Patriots have been going to super bowls with solid players and not stars for years.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure Brady and Gronkowski are stars. But more to the point is that the Patriots pay there solid players like solid players not like superstars and the result of that is a better overall supporting cast. Overpaying for solid players leaves you in a place that history shows is unsustainable.

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[quote=Giantone;1140566]Patriots have been going to super bowls with solid players and not stars for years.[/quote]

You must not know much about the Patriots or have never heard of Tom Brady.

Junior Seau
Teddy Bruschi
Adam Viniateri
Vince Wilfork
Ty Law
Lawyer Milloy
Willie McGinest
Randy Moss
Wes Welker
Asante Samuel
Mike Vrabel
Rob Gronkowski
Tom Brady

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the patriots also have a huge advantage in that their superstar QB is paid well under market (by his choice) which frees up quite a bit of money to improve the team elsewhere.

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NJ.com reports the Jets have traded DL Muhammad Wilkerson to the Bears for Martellus Bennett and a second-round pick.




Related: Bears



Source: Dom Cosentino on Twitter

Mar 11 - 2:42

Bears are winning free agency...

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Go home folks the Bears just won Free Agency. First Trevathen deal, now this.

its over, Bears win

[B]Actually the story re tracked by NJ.com...fake twitter report...sorry folks[/B]

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[quote=Chico23231;1140609]Go home folks the Bears just won Free Agency. First Trevathen deal, now this.

its over, Bears win

[B]Actually the story re tracked by NJ.com...fake twitter report...sorry folks[/B][/quote]

Lol I was gonna say, that's a hell of a deal for the Bears if that's the case. Bennett has nowhere near the upside of Wilkerson and a 2nd rounder is a solid price to pay for a guy of Wilkerson's caliber.

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[quote=Chico23231;1140608]NJ.com reports the Jets have traded DL Muhammad Wilkerson to the Bears for Martellus Bennett and a second-round pick.




Related: Bears



Source: Dom Cosentino on Twitter

Mar 11 - 2:42

Bears are winning free agency...[/quote]I guess the Bears finally decided that they need to play defense. They haven't done so since canning Lovie Smith.

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[quote=Giantone;1140566]Patriots have been going to super bowls with solid players and not stars for years.[/quote]

You going to compare your QB to Tom Brady?

Please leave

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[quote=Schneed10;1140622]You going to compare your QB to Tom Brady?

Please leave[/quote]



Where did I do that ,what post?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1140570]You must not know much about the Patriots or have never heard of Tom Brady.

Junior Seau
Teddy Bruschi
Adam Viniateri
Vince Wilfork
Ty Law
Lawyer Milloy
Willie McGinest
Randy Moss
Wes Welker
Asante Samuel
Mike Vrabel
Rob Gronkowski
Tom Brady[/quote]


Tom who?:)Tom is the super star and paid like it and Gronk is a star in my book but all the others on you list might have been stars or were stars at other teams when all were with the Patriots they were good solid players .

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[quote=Giantone;1140623]Where did I do that ,what post?[/quote]

You have suggested that the players the Giants have signed are solid players and justified the overpayment of said solid players by asserting that the Pats have been going to Super Bowls with solid players.

Implicit in your assertion and essential to its accuracy, however, is that the Pats have been going to Super Bowls with solid players [I][B]and Tom Brady.[/B][/I]

So, your justification for overpaying solid players because the Pats went to several Super Bowls with solid players is a logical truth [I][B]if and only if[/B][/I] Eli Manning is equal to Tom Brady.

Solid Players + Tom Brady = Solid Players + Eli Manning.

(Solid Players + Tom Brady) - Solid Players= (Solid Players + Eli Manning) - Solid Players.

Tom Brady = Eli Manning.

Sorry, it just doesn't add up.

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[quote=Giantone;1140624]Tom who?:)Tom is the super star and paid like it and Gronk is a star in my book but all the others on you list might have been stars or were stars at other teams when all were with the Patriots they were good solid players .[/quote]

but how many in that list were paid like superstars when first signing with the Pats.

Overpaying for solid players is still overpaying

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[quote=Giantone;1140624]Tom who?:)Tom is the super star and paid like it and Gronk is a star in my book but all the others on you list might have been stars or were stars at other teams when all were with the Patriots they were good solid players .[/quote]

I see football history isn't your thing.

KTHXBYE

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Giant one clearly does not refer to your brain.

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[quote=Schneed10;1140628]Giant one clearly does not refer to your brain.[/quote]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1140625]You have suggested that the players the Giants have signed are solid players and justified the overpayment of said solid players by asserting that the Pats have been going to Super Bowls with solid players.

Implicit in your assertion and essential to its accuracy, however, is that the Pats have been going to Super Bowls with solid players [I][B]and Tom Brady.[/B][/I]

So, your justification for overpaying solid players because the Pats went to several Super Bowls with solid players is a logical truth [I][B]if and only if[/B][/I] Eli Manning is equal to Tom Brady.

Solid Players + Tom Brady = Solid Players + Eli Manning.

(Solid Players + Tom Brady) - Solid Players= (Solid Players + Eli Manning) - Solid Players.

Tom Brady = Eli Manning.

Sorry, it just doesn't add up.[/quote]


Nice try but there was no implication on my side of your theory.The assumption is all on you and others I made no such implication.
Actually the assumption of yours and others is that the Giants overpaid for the players they acquired while again that is an assumption on your part that can not be proven till the season is over and fully evaluated.
I will ask again what post did I compare Eli to Tom Brady,not what post do you assume I mean .

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[quote=Schneed10;1140628]Giant one clearly does not refer to your brain.[/quote]

I understand you are afraid ,things will be fine.

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[img]http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/411967/848279.jpg[/img]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1140626]but how many in that list were paid like superstars when first signing with the Pats.

Overpaying for solid players is still overpaying[/quote]


Considering market value in the NFL keeps changing it's a hard question to answer also if the Patriots made it to or won a super bowl then I would argue that no one was "over paid".

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[quote=Giantone;1140633]Considering market value in the NFL keeps changing it's a hard question to answer also if the Patriots made it to or won a super bowl then I would argue that no one was "over paid".[/quote]

Market value is set at the time of purchase, so it's really not a hard question to answer.

Your second part is to argue that winning a superbowl makes overpayment irrelevant, and I could accept that thought (as most Redskins fans have been forced to several times in the 2000's), except that historically overpaying a player, or players, has not been a successful path to the Superbowl. There isn't one good example of a team overpaying across the board in free agency, and reaching the SB that year. However, there are myriads of examples of teams who have tried, only to find themselves weighted down with bad contracts and underperforming athletes.

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randy moss is just a solid player? he only had 437 TDs when he was a patriot, and he got paid very little for it.

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Yep, Moss had some monster numbers as a Patriot.
Seau has some pretty respectable numbers in his [I]four[/I] seasons under Belichick.
3 INTs, 4,5 sacks and a feckload of tackles.

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[quote=That Guy;1140636]randy moss is just a solid player? he only had 437 TDs when he was a patriot, and he got paid very little for it.[/quote]

No he did not.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/randymoss/2502220/careerstats]Randy Moss: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]


He was good ,not great as a Patriot.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1140639]Yep, Moss had some monster numbers as a Patriot.
Seau has some pretty respectable numbers in his [I]four[/I] seasons under Belichick.
3 INTs, 4,5 sacks and a feckload of tackles.[/quote]

Same thing..........as a Patriot.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/juniorseau/2502886/profile]Junior Seau, LB at NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1140659]No he did not.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/randymoss/2502220/careerstats]Randy Moss: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]


He was good ,not great as a Patriot.[/quote]

Three years in a row with over a 1,000 yards a season including one season with 23 TDs which was his best year ever.....????

Dafuq.......

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Giantone you are impossible. Let me say it very succinctly.

The Patriots win with solid players because they pay a normal market value. The Giants just drastically overpaid for solid players. Vernon had 7.5 sacks last year and that somehow made him worthy of more guaranteed money than JJ Watt.

The Patriots have Brady. You have Eli. Huge difference.

Thus your ceiling is 9-7 or 10-6, not dominance like the Patriots.

And the Patriots draft well. The Giants draft average.

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[quote=Giantone;1140659]No he did not.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/randymoss/2502220/careerstats]Randy Moss: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]


He was good ,not great as a Patriot.[/quote]

yeah okay. maybe you should try reading your links. 23 td season, not great. obviously.

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[quote=Schneed10;1140675]Giantone you are impossible. Let me say it very succinctly.

The Patriots win with solid players because they pay a normal market value. The Giants just drastically overpaid for solid players. Vernon had 7.5 sacks last year and that somehow made him worthy of more guaranteed money than JJ Watt.

The Patriots have Brady. You have Eli. Huge difference.

Thus your ceiling is 9-7 or 10-6, not dominance like the Patriots.

And the Patriots draft well. The Giants draft average.[/quote]


You are entitle to your opinion but so am I and the fact that many people are putting words in my mouth or "assuming things" I have never said I'll try once more.

Eli is not Tom,again never said he was!
I never made a claim about going undefeated or any record at all ,I said in response to someone that after the last three years Mara would most likely be OK with a second round appearance,this only in reference of people keeping their jobs,all owners want to win it all.


With all due respect you and the others don't have a fricken clue as to what the ceiling is for the Giants and nether do I as I am only a fan as are you and the others.

As for the draft I would say "over all " they draft pretty close to all the other teams but with that said when you draft a QB in the six round(I think) and he becomes the greatest QB ever(or pretty damn close) then that does up you score a bit.


If Vernon has one sack or gets hurt yup you guys are right but yet again you won't know and neither will I till next season.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1140672]Three years in a row with over a 1,000 yards a season including one season with 23 TDs which was his best year ever.....????

Dafuq.......[/quote]


see post #143

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Eli might not be Tom, but yet he beat him twice in the SB.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1140687]Eli might not be Tom, but yet he beat him twice in the SB.[/quote]

More like the Giants defense beat the Pats offense, and the Giants offense did just enough not to lose the game.

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[quote=Giantone;1140685]see post #143[/quote]

That was obviously a typo on someone else's part
And you dont know squat about football.
Keep backpedaling and enjoy your fail fantasy roster.
:doh:

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1140691]That was obviously a typo on someone else's part
And you dont know squat about football.
Keep backpedaling and enjoy your fail fantasy roster.
:doh:[/quote]

LOL, yeah ok .Have a nice day.:)

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Alright, back to NFL free agency. Denver is screwing things up in my opinion. I think they should probably suck it up and pay Fitzpatrick. Not a whole lot of options at the QB position.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1140713]Alright, back to NFL free agency. Denver is screwing things up in my opinion. I think they should probably suck it up and pay Fitzpatrick. Not a whole lot of options at the QB position.

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I agree yet with the amount of defections they have on D I don't think this will matter.Elway put it all in this year so I think he had to know this was possible.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1140713]Alright, back to NFL free agency. Denver is screwing things up in my opinion. I think they should probably suck it up and pay Fitzpatrick. Not a whole lot of options at the QB position.

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the jets offered fitz 7m/year, he apparently wants 14m+... how many years do you want to tie yourself to a 33 year old QB that's been inconsistent? and do you really want to shell out over 14m+ a year and a ton of guaranteed money for what could potentially be your backup QB?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1140715]I agree yet with the amount of defections they have on D I don't think this will matter.Elway put it all in this year so I think he had to know this was possible.[/QUOTE]
Denver's defense still has a lot of talent. They won't have the elite defense that can carry a game, but still a very good one. It won't matter though, if they end up with Sanchez or Hoyer at QB.

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[quote=That Guy;1140716]the jets offered fitz 7m/year, he apparently wants 14m+... how many years do you want to tie yourself to a 33 year old QB that's been inconsistent? and do you really want to shell out over 14m+ a year and a ton of guaranteed money for what could potentially be your backup QB?[/quote]

The thing is what's the going rate for an nfl starter? It's either extremely low on a rookie deal or its 15 million plus.

Fitz has the right idea IMO, he was extremely good last year