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[quote=punch it in;1154573]Ok. I mean I am going to probably have a little more empathy for an addict because I think it permeates just a simple choice and actually affects the person physically. The demon of addiction can sneak up on someone. Before they realize what is happening it has you in its clutches. Yes though at some point you have to seek help, and put on your big boy pants.[/quote]

And if you put on those big boy pants and do so then my opinion of you improves. (Royal 'you', of course)

My dad's been a smoker for 45 years. And my grandmother was an alcoholic. I definitely have lower opinions of them because of those things. Just in case anybody's thinking I'm not even handed in my dickhead judgment of people.

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TW isn't going anywhere. I'm as disappointed as anyone, sucks to be down our best player for these next 4 games but on the bright side he'll be back rested and hungry for the stretch run. Next man up let's get this done.

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[quote=MTK;1154565]I'd guess at least 2/3 of the league smokes. It beats drinking or pill popping. Hopefully with this election a few more states will pass recreational use.[/quote]

I don't know if you saw 60 minutes on Sunday night but they did a piece on the effects of legalized pot in CO. One big effect is lots of babies being born with THC in their system because their mother smoked and it is stored in fat and therefore in the system much longer than alcohol. Pueblo is actually looking to ban the recreational use of pot because of all the unintended consequences of legalized pot. I used to be all for legalized pot but after spending time in CO and dealing with stoned people all the time and talking to those who live there about all the problems it has created I'm not sure legalizing it is such a good idea after all. If you haven't seen the 60 minutes show I recommend watching it.

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[QUOTE=irish;1154579]I don't know if you saw 60 minutes on Sunday night but they did a piece on the effects of legalized pot in CO. One big effect is lots of babies being born with THC in their system because their mother smoked and it is stored in fat and therefore in the system much longer than alcohol. Pueblo is actually looking to ban the recreational use of pot because of all the unintended consequences of legalized pot. I used to be all for legalized pot but after spending time in CO and dealing with stoned people all the time and talking to those who live there about all the problems it has created I'm not sure legalizing it is such a good idea after all. If you haven't seen the 60 minutes show I recommend watching it.[/QUOTE]



Do you think that the pregnant women were smoking pot because it was legal? People who want to smoke pot do. No matter where they live.
I have friends in Colorado and have never heard any comments or issues about living there? Be more specific about the problems it has causes. Besides longer lines at the drive throughs....

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[quote=punch it in;1154569]That was again in response to C Reds comment tho. Maybe could have left it alone. Two comments doesn't constitute filling these threads with whining tho.[/quote]

I sent a message in my other Debbie downer thread :( "The official 2016 worst case scenario thread", to CRedskins, telling him that I accepted his apology, and in fact upon re-reading what he wrote to me, I was sorry myself that I took it personal when it was obvious at second glance that's not how it was meant. I then told him that I got defensive because of my other thread on here where I was basically seeking out help, and this was prior to getting diagnosed with anxiety / depression in 2014. The "off my medicine" quote set me off but I realize that he was just using a general expression to like "chill out", and I didn't need to take it so personal.

I am sorry! I hope he got my message on the other thread, but that is pretty much a dead thread now (Unless someone wants to revisit it :) )

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1154581]I sent a message in my other Debbie downer thread :( "The official 2016 worst case scenario thread", to CRedskins, telling him that I accepted his apology, and in fact upon re-reading what he wrote to me, I was sorry myself that I took it personal when it was obvious at second glance that's not how it was meant. I then told him that I got defensive because of my other thread on here where I was basically seeking out help, and this was prior to getting diagnosed with anxiety / depression in 2014. The "off my medicine" quote set me off but I realize that he was just using a general expression to like "chill out", and I didn't need to take it so personal.



I am sorry! I hope he got my message on the other thread, but that is pretty much a dead thread now (Unless someone wants to revisit it :) )[/QUOTE]



I followed it all. C-Red and you seemed like you were all good. You mentioned it again in reference today but it Didnt seem like you were whining just making a sarcastic comment.
I really don't think it is an issue. Lol. Cant speak for others though. No drama in my book man. Httr

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yeah we are good. moving on.

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Good breakdown of Ty here...
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/football-insider/wp/2016/11/02/a-closer-look-at-how-the-loss-of-trent-williams-could-affect-washingtons-offense/?client=safari[/url]

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1154580]Do you think that the pregnant women were smoking pot because it was legal? People who want to smoke pot do. No matter where they live.
I have friends in Colorado and have never heard any comments or issues about living there? Be more specific about the problems it has causes. Besides longer lines at the drive throughs....[/QUOTE]



Yeah legal or not people are going to do what they want to do. Legalization hasn't shown to increase the number of users.

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[quote=MTK;1154479]Maybe someone else can confirm but I'm pretty sure a 2nd positive test would have gotten him bounced for more than just 4 games, so maybe that's the logic behind skipping it instead?[/quote]


Reading the NFL drug policy, Trent should have been out the program when he went 2 years without testing positive in stage 2.(which he was in back in 2011) So he basically started over as if he's never been tested positive before. That technically means that he had to have had 2 more positive tests to get BACK into stage 2 again, which is where we are at with him. If he tests positive again, it's going to be a 10 game suspension I believe. Him skipping it wouldn't have mattered.



[url]https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Player%20Development/2015%20Policy%20and%20Program%20on%20Substances%20of%20Abuse.pdf[/url]


[quote=MTK;1154565]I'd guess at least 2/3 of the league smokes. It beats drinking or pill popping. Hopefully with this election a few more states will pass recreational use.[/quote]

A point of note. Even if federally legalize, that doesn't mean that the NFL has to do away with it's drug policy.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1154586]Reading the NFL drug policy, Trent should have been out the program when he went 2 years without testing positive in stage 2.(which he was in back in 2011) So he basically started over as if he's never been tested positive before. That technically means that he had to have had 2 more positive tests to get BACK into stage 2 again, which is where we are at with him. If he tests positive again, it's going to be a 10 game suspension I believe. Him skipping it wouldn't have mattered.







[url]https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Player%20Development/2015%20Policy%20and%20Program%20on%20Substances%20of%20Abuse.pdf[/url]




A point of note. Even if federally legalize, that doesn't mean that the NFL has to do away with it's drug policy.[/QUOTE]


Well it would certainly make sense for them to embrace it and adjust the policy accordingly if it were legal across the board. We're still a long way from having that conversation though.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1154584]Good breakdown of Ty here...
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/football-insider/wp/2016/11/02/a-closer-look-at-how-the-loss-of-trent-williams-could-affect-washingtons-offense/?client=safari[/url][/QUOTE]
Like I said, we have to best OL coach in the league. We'll be fine. It's a tough loss but not as bad as if Norman or kirk was lost

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what would happen IF EVERY PLAYER in the NFL smoked a joint and all of them failed a test..wanna bet that rule would go away..money talks...

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[quote=rocnrik;1154597]what would happen IF EVERY PLAYER in the NFL smoked a joint and all of them failed a test..wanna bet that rule would go away..money talks...[/quote]

:joecool:
Love that logic!
Almost like they all went on strike!

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Ty has given up 2 sacks in 300 career snaps... I think he's going to do fine

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[quote=skinsfan69;1154520]What if Trent played for New England? What do you think Hoody would do?[/quote]

I'm fairly sure he would keep an all pro left tackle to protect Brady's blindside.

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[quote=punch it in;1154580]Do you think that the pregnant women were smoking pot because it was legal? People who want to smoke pot do. No matter where they live.
I have friends in Colorado and have never heard any comments or issues about living there? Be more specific about the problems it has causes. Besides longer lines at the drive throughs....[/quote]

The show said that when confronted by doctors about the problems pot could cause to their children's developing brain they said pot is legalk, how can it be dangerous? I agree that people who smoke pot do it no matter where they live but when pot is portrayed as a safe alternative to cigarettes its not correct. Both have health risks associated with their use.

As best I remember there are problems with DUI of pot because there's no easy test like for booze. Also problem with how it affects developing brains of people up to around 25. To be clear, I wasn't talking about the problems, 60 minutes was. Take a look at the show if you can.

The problems I did encounter in CO were stoned wait staff messing up orders all the time. That was pretty much every restaurant I went to. Also stoned ski lift attendants. None of they were bumbling or stumbling but they were pretty well lit. I talked to a few stoned bar tenders and they talked about how they smoked on break which I thought was odd since I'm sure they wouldn't be allowed to drink on break and work drunk. At the beginning of the week it was funny but by the end of the week it got old.

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[QUOTE=irish;1154607]The show said that when confronted by doctors about the problems pot could cause to their children's developing brain they said pot is legalk, how can it be dangerous? I agree that people who smoke pot do it no matter where they live but when pot is portrayed as a safe alternative to cigarettes its not correct. Both have health risks associated with their use.



As best I remember there are problems with DUI of pot because there's no easy test like for booze. Also problem with how it affects developing brains of people up to around 25. To be clear, I wasn't talking about the problems, 60 minutes was. Take a look at the show if you can.



The problems I did encounter in CO were stoned wait staff messing up orders all the time. That was pretty much every restaurant I went to. Also stoned ski lift attendants. None of they were bumbling or stumbling but they were pretty well lit. I talked to a few stoned bar tenders and they talked about how they smoked on break which I thought was odd since I'm sure they wouldn't be allowed to drink on break and work drunk. At the beginning of the week it was funny but by the end of the week it got old.[/QUOTE]



Yeah I know you were talking about 60 minutes. That guy needs to smoke a J. Lol. There are a ton of studies showing anything you want or choose to believe that pot will do to you. Imo it is 110% safer than a cigarette. Especially today when it is readily available in several different ways to consume besides smoking. Edibles. Vape. Wax.
I have lived on and around ski areas. I got news for you, every ski lift attendant is stoned and always has been. Legal or not. Lol.
You bought up the drinking vs smoking thing for the bar tenders. Well don't you think drinks might lead to a more rowdy/possibly violent/sick/ or reckless mood? If the bar tender gets stoned he or she might eat all the pretzels but....
Honestly I for one really do not see the problem. I think the whole world needs to slow down, relax, and laugh a little.

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[quote=irish;1154607]The show said that when confronted by doctors about the problems pot could cause to their children's developing brain they said pot is legalk, how can it be dangerous? I agree that people who smoke pot do it no matter where they live but when pot is portrayed as a safe alternative to cigarettes its not correct. Both have health risks associated with their use.

As best I remember there are problems with DUI of pot because there's no easy test like for booze. Also problem with how it affects developing brains of people up to around 25. To be clear, I wasn't talking about the problems, 60 minutes was. Take a look at the show if you can.

[B]The problems I did encounter in CO were stoned wait staff messing up orders all the time. That was pretty much every restaurant I went to. Also stoned ski lift attendants. None of they were bumbling or stumbling but they were pretty well lit. I talked to a few stoned bar tenders and they talked about how they smoked on break which I thought was odd since I'm sure they wouldn't be allowed to drink on break and work drunk. At the beginning of the week it was funny but by the end of the week it got old[/B].[/quote]

little surprised employers wouldn't make a condition of employment sobriety...It would make me nervous.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1154609]little surprised employers wouldn't make a condition of employment sobriety...It would make me nervous.[/QUOTE]



Nervous about what a stoned bar tender? How many stoned bar tenders do you think have served you before? How many stoned waitresses? Gimme a break.

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[quote=punch it in;1154610]Nervous about what a stoned bar tender? How many stoned bar tenders do you think have served you before? How many stoned waitresses? Gimme a break.[/quote]

No way would any employer in any field let their employee work drunk, I don't get why stoned would be different.

In reality I didn't care that they were stoned, what bothered me was that they constantly F'd up my orders all week. It got old fast. I'm sure I have been served by stoned wait staff in the past but at least they didn't screw up my order.

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[quote=punch it in;1154610]Nervous about what a stoned bar tender? How many stoned bar tenders do you think have served you before? How many stoned waitresses? Gimme a break.[/quote]

Not really in the sense of serving a patron, but say injuring themselves or general negligence which could lead to anything like cost waste too literally burning the place down. So as an owner if you said "hey get stoned" or looked the other way, you might not be insured and could be held liable.

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[QUOTE=irish;1154611]No way would any employer in any field let their employee work drunk, I don't get why stoned would be different.



In reality I didn't care that they were stoned, what bothered me was that they constantly F'd up my orders all week. It got old fast. I'm sure I have been served by stoned wait staff in the past but at least they didn't screw up my order.[/QUOTE]



I am not sure what you do Irish, but try doing it stoned and try doing it drunk. I am not talking about someone getting high for the first time, as anything new can throw you off your game.
I mean listen I am not advocating they walk around with a bong getting completely ripped. Lol. If it were my place and my staff said hey we were either going to pass a joint around or share that bottle i know what i am voting for. How many stoned people do you see getting bounced from bars or escorted out of sporting events? To me the difference is quite clear.
Yeah getting your order messed up stinks but like you said servers have probably gotten it right before. Again whether it is legal or not aint the issue there. You knew they were all high. You had conversations with them about it. You were looking for the negative results I think.
Anyway just like anything else practice makes perfect. I bet if you go back the waitresses are more adept at serving while stoned. [emoji106]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1154612]Not really in the sense of serving a patron, but say injuring themselves or general negligence which could lead to anything like cost waste too literally burning the place down. So as an owner if you said "hey get stoned" or looked the other way, you might not be insured and could be held liable.[/QUOTE]



I would imagine that if it were legal this would not be the case though. If it isnt legal than it wouldn't be an issue. Would just be the "secret order of stoned employees " like it always has been. Again though Chico Im not advocating a six foot bong constantly burning in the employee lounge. Lol.
No need to be tripping after 10 dabs, but to just be high when working ? Be a pro at it. No need to lose focus because you caught a buzz. Maybe me n you can go out there and show those employees that Irish ran into how its done. Lol
Possibly even charge for it? The owners could contract us out to school their employees. Get them up to speed. Literally.

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Im just going to put this rite here....because it is hysterical. Than we will stop talking about weed. Even though it is Trents thread.

[url]https://youtu.be/aEW-j_OLh5U[/url]

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One more since it is the bye week this is fitting...
[url]https://youtu.be/4gx3nn6LS6g[/url]

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There is so much misinformation on the impact of THC, the drug present in marijuana. These are the impacts healthcare professionals are acutely aware of:

- causes slowed thinking and memory recall

- increases your heart rate, which in people with arrhythmia or pulmonary hypertension can cause cardiac complications

- increases your appetite, which can lead to weight gain if the munchies go unchecked, and of course weight gain leads to all kinds of other health problems

- slows your hand eye coordination

- The smoke IS damaging to the lungs. It contains [B]some[/B] of the same chemicals as tobacco smoke, including ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, and formaldehyde. No study has established a definitive causation between heavy marijuana smoking and lung cancer, like is the case with tobacco. But studies HAVE proved that heavy marijuana smoke leads to precancerous changes in the lungs, coughing, wheezing, and increased incidence of COPD (chronic bronchitis and emphysema).

- The drug INCREASES the incidence of anxiety and depression. While it can help dissipate the anxious FEELING that anxious people feel, it increases the risk that the brain will chemically change and result in clinical diagnosis of anxiety/depression.

- Brain imaging of people who smoke marijuana heavily has shown changes in blood flow to the brain and a shrinking hypothalamus, which is the part of the brain responsible for memory recall and thinking. This basically just explains why the memory recall is shittier in pot smokers. Nobody has established any other negative impacts of a shrinking hypothalamus, but they haven't studied it for very long, either.

- And honest scientists recognize that there hasn't been a lot of study on the effects of marijuana. These are the effects they know about currently. There may be more.

They also acknowledge the anti-inflammatory properties, which is where the medical marijuana side comes in. But if you think that means they're prescribing that you smoke it, you're an idiot. It means they will find the safest way to deliver it into your bloodstream, and smoking is not the safest way. The delivery method most often prescribed is suppository.

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By the way, COPD is a horrible way to die. Horrible.

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[quote=punch it in;1154610]Nervous about what a stoned bar tender? How many stoned bar tenders do you think have served you before? How many stoned waitresses? Gimme a break.[/quote]

I don't see a problem with stoned waitresses :pimp:

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[quote=Chico23231;1154612]Not really in the sense of serving a patron, but say injuring themselves or general negligence which could lead to anything like cost waste too literally burning the place down. So as an owner if you said "hey get stoned" or looked the other way, you might not be insured and could be held liable.[/quote]

Interesting you mention injury because while I was in CO I also talked to the hotel night manager and he said they have had a lot of cases of people getting stoned in the hotel and falling down the steps, into the pool, or the week before I got there, into and through the large glass window in front of the hotel. This is creating insurance and legal liability issues for the hotel.

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[quote=irish;1154629]Interesting you mention injury because while I was in CO I also talked to the hotel night manager and he said they have had a lot of cases of people getting stoned in the hotel and falling down the steps, into the pool, or the week before I got there, into and through the large glass window in front of the hotel. This is creating insurance and legal liability issues for the hotel.[/quote]

Well if you've ever working in a bar or have friends who have...already not the sharpest of tool. I had a bartender who needed glasses and grab one out the dishwasher hot and dumped something cold in it and it exploded. he got cut, tried to sue and failed.

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[quote=irish;1154611]No way would any employer in any field let their employee work drunk, I don't get why stoned would be different.

In reality I didn't care that they were stoned, what bothered me was that they constantly F'd up my orders all week. It got old fast. I'm sure I have been served by stoned wait staff in the past but at least they didn't screw up my order.[/quote]

I used to work for a well-known local automotive dealership that did not have an alcohol policy. The techs would go out on lunch time and have beer / shots, etc., and drive back to work, and it was just known. I never tried it because I was terrified of getting a DUI.

On Fridays after about 1:00, they would bring a keg into the shop and guys would "nurse" off of it until it was quitting time. I'm 100% not making this up if anyone here is local and wants to know who / where it is, PM me.

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Look on the bright side

He will be fully healthy and ready to destroy people after this.