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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1155020]International opinion. Regardless of how much the international community knows about our politics, they at least outwardly see the things he's said and done. I imagine if we just saw the highlights of someone like him elsewhere, we'd probably lose a lot of respect for those who voted him in.

EDIT: He also divided this country with a lot of hate. We've beaten that horse to death, but I've never seen Americans pitted against each other like this. Just an example from last night: [B]where I work had a support meeting for foreign students and LGBT students. A few other students PROTESTED this meeting yelling liberal pussies to them. [/B]They see that it's OK their President can do it, so it's OK for them to do it too.[/quote]

Yikes!

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Hopefully just isolated, but I think at least initially there's going to be a lot of shitty stuff going on with both sides. This University is 90% white, rich kids. The freshmen come in driving brand new luxury cars. I can't say this shocks me that much. For my wife who works in Development here, it makes it a little extra hard for her to want to raise money for kids acting like that.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1155023]Hopefully just isolated, but I think at least initially there's going to be a lot of shitty stuff going on with both sides. This University is 90% white, rich kids. The freshmen come in driving brand new luxury cars. I can't say this shocks me that much. For my wife who works in Development here, it makes it a little extra hard for her to want to raise money for kids acting like that.[/QUOTE]



Unfortunately i believe he has already spawned a million little assholes that think they are superior to anyone who has different beliefs than them. Than their are the other million who feel that way but just don't express it. Equally as disgusting people imo.

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I mean, I couldn't imagine treating any of my classmates like that....you work at a relatively small school which makes it worse. sounds like those protesting kids never got the ass kicking they deserved

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I'd say this was pretty damn accurate.


[url]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/democrats-working-class-americans-us-election[/url]

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1155026]I'd say this was pretty damn accurate.





[url]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/democrats-working-class-americans-us-election[/url][/QUOTE]



Again. Rite message. Wrong Asshole.

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[quote=Chico23231;1155025]I mean, I couldn't imagine treating any of my classmates like that....you work at a relatively small school which makes it worse. [B]sounds like those protesting kids never got the ass kicking they deserved[/B][/quote]

You don't know how true this is. Probably telling you more than I can/should, but my mother-in-law used to work in Financial Aid here and some of the stories would make you want to vomit. Some of them would literally lose their shit because the University didn't want to pay for their study abroad AND spending money. Yup, some of them straight up get University-sponsored allowances. These are kids who marked the "$250,000+" on their family income.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1155020]A few other students PROTESTED this meeting yelling liberal pussies to them. They see that it's OK their President can do it, so it's OK for them to do it too.[/quote]


For many of them, this is what also attracted them to Trump. He wasn't politically correct and openly voiced their inner feelings. He was a "straight talker" in their minds, and in doing so, he was awarded the Presidency seat.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1155029]For many of them, this is what also attracted them to Trump. He wasn't politically correct and openly voiced their inner feelings. He was a "straight talker" in their minds, and in doing so, he was awarded the Presidency seat.[/QUOTE]



When those inner feelings are woven with hate and ignorance guess what Houston?
I am not saying you felt this way, just piggy backing off of your posts.

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[quote=punch it in;1155027]Again. Rite message. Wrong Asshole.[/quote]


Unfortunately, Trump was the only non-establishment guy on the ticket so he's the one that they pushed through to make an example. It was a huge statement if you ask me. It pretty much said, we'd rather have this loud mouth racist, sexist con artist than your normal establishment guy who's going to continue to fuck over the middle class people.

People know good and well if Clinton had been elected, that TPP was going to be passed. At least with Trump in office, the TPP is officially dead. If you see it passed, you know Trump sold out to corporate America.

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[quote=punch it in;1155030]When those inner feelings are woven with hate and ignorance guess what Houston?
I am not saying you felt this way, just piggy backing off of your posts.[/quote]


To a racist and bigot, they don't see themselves as the problem. They see the other person as the problem.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1155032]To a racist and bigot, they don't see themselves as the problem. They see the other person as the problem.[/QUOTE]



Thats a problem. Lol

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This is why I was surprised Bernie didn't get the nomination. He's another outsider, decent guy, but nope...

Sigh. Hopefully I'll deal with this soon enough because it's exhausting.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1155034]This is why I was surprised Bernie didn't get the nomination. He's another outsider, decent guy, but nope...



Sigh. Hopefully I'll deal with this soon enough because it's exhausting.[/QUOTE]



This is the worst part. The right guy was there. FU Trump. FU Hillary.

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Now, don't get me wrong, he had a lot of nut-job ideas too... :)

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1155036]Now, don't get me wrong, he had a lot of nut-job ideas too... :)[/QUOTE]



Maybe unattainable ones. He would have fought the corporations tooth and nail. He would have left gays and minorities off of the shit list and treated them like effing human god damned beings. He also looks exactly like Larry David which is always a plus. He would have done good for the environment too. Minor details.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1155034]This is why I was surprised Bernie didn't get the nomination. He's another outsider, decent guy, but nope...

Sigh. Hopefully I'll deal with this soon enough because it's exhausting.[/quote]


The southern black vote fucked Bernie from getting that nomination. I can't for the life of me understand why they wouldn't vote for a guy who was arrested for protesting civil rights or who walked with Martin Luther King over a woman who's policies led to high incarceration rates for blacks.


The sad part of it is, the southern votes shouldn't really even mean anything because they are in deep red states which will always go red in presidential elections.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1155034]This is why I was surprised Bernie didn't get the nomination. He's another outsider, decent guy, but nope...

Sigh. Hopefully I'll deal with this soon enough because it's exhausting.[/quote]

Well remember, the Clinton team AND the democratic national party were working together against Bernie.

IMO the dems need to kick Clinton, her entire team and much of the dem national party to the curb. This is an embarrassment to lose to effing trump.

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This is the only silver lining I can see right now...

While I fully expect him to fail spectacularly, I'll be the first to eat crow if he doesn't. Maybe next time the country will find someone who has it right.

Time to start posting more on football. This is the most I've cared or talked about politics in my entire life. Just dragging me down. Will catch you guys on the other side on this one...

Redskins 102, Vikings -3.

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[quote=Chico23231;1154988]meh, people...driven by the outrage porn the media pushes 24/7... are obsessed about race. Guess what? the race exit polls are in line with the last election. Actually Trump slightly won more of the African American vote over Romney and won 30% of the latino vote. 30% of the latino vote, think about that for a second.

The media is not paying attention to the stat that always tells the winner....Who won the "independent" vote. This bullshit has nothing to do about race. Americans went to vote period.

Why is the country seem so divided ? Blame your bullshit fucking president Obama who sat on you hands the last 6 years. I tell you folks are so bias they refused to blame this god aweful leader. Its actually pathetic at this point. fucking pathetic[/quote]

Other than my taxes/insurance going up as a result of Obamacare he really hasn't had a personal impact on me, and my attitude on the taxes/insurance is that they would've gone up anyways (my insurance rates were going up prior to Obamacare as well so I'm not bitter about that, one way or another somebody is going to get theirs at your expense).

For me the main concerns about Trump is his stated plan to undo as much of Obama's executive actions as he can. If he repeals Obamacare and replaces it with something better I am fine with that. But repealing it and doing nothing is unacceptable.

The other strong point is climate change, he has literately stated that global warming is a Chinese hoax. By going lax on the environmental regulations who knows how many years he will set back and you really have to consider the fact that scientists say we are almost at the point where continued inaction will make it impossible to reverse the decline. If he backs out of the Paris treaty and basically tells companies to go wild it could be digging too large of a hole for future generations to take care of the Earth.

My final thing that I am semi-passionate about is immigration/lgbt/African American rights. We have started making progress towards equality for most and if Trump plans to repeal the marriage equality bill well then he's going to piss off a ton of people. And what do people do when they're pissed off over a lack of equal treatment? They riot.

Immigration is a touchy subject but I support stronger border enforcement. I don't think a wall is the answer though especially considering tunnels are becoming a very common method to smuggle drugs and people over the border. The idea that Mexico will pay for a wall is ludicrous too.

I don't really have a choice but to give him a shot and hope things work out for the better but I don't see it happening. Already seeing stories about him electing CEO's of companies to cabinet positions and I absolutely fail to see how private sector leaders would have any public interests at heart. We'll see though.

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[quote=punch it in;1155021]I would start with insulting muslims, mexicans, women, etc and than being elected potus. Minor details. Im glad people are protesting. At least the rest of the world knows that we are not all fans of his crass racist ignorant speech. Do not ever underestimate the power of words.
Edit - c-red remember me accidentally flipping the bird to the old lady who was a cowboy fan? U had a problem with that kind of hate. So i guess im wondering how you could even ask the question "what kind of damage he has done"?[/quote]

Politician/Political fear mongering has gone on forever on both sides of the aisle, it's not destroying or damaging the US, any more than the divisiveness the democratic party has long done. (You possibly don't see it that way, so you probably disagree my belief about the long term damage inflicted on society by the PC crowd.

I'm not going to defend every statement Trump has ever made, there are too many bonehead ones. But I do like that instead of walking around in a PC cloud, he spoke openly about what he sees as the issues, and let the cards fall where they may.

Speaking non-PC in this PC driven world was amazingly refreshing, even if at times it makes you understand how PC speak came into existence.

If he continues the tone once in office then that may well do some long term damage, but whether it was the republican primaries, or the general election, he said and did what he thought it took to defeat his opponents. If he attacks the US's real problems with that same vigor and clear speech, I hope we will see real progress across the cultural spectrum and in the long run a far more united country


As for the flipping the bird incident, it was an overt one on one act which at the time I obviously reacted to. (I don't really remember the details of the encounter - or my comments about it - but you bring it up often enough I clearly reacted strongly).

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Have you seen the video of the grade schoolers chanting build the wall yet? I wonder if they are old enough to differentiate between illegal and legal mexican children who have just as much right to be here as them and their immigrant great grandparents? Probably not. Hope there isnt one in that cafeteria?
The seed of hate has been planted. Im not saying their has not been prejudice before. Not at all. But Trump whether inadvertently or not, has given it a voice. It is scary.

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[quote=punch it in;1155048]Have you seen the video of the grade schoolers chanting build the wall yet? I wonder if they are old enough to differentiate between illegal and legal mexican children who have just as much right to be here as them and their immigrant great grandparents? Probably not. Hope there isnt one in that cafeteria?
The seed of hate has been planted. Im not saying their has not been prejudice before. Not at all. But Trump whether inadvertently or not, has given it a voice. It is scary.[/quote]


I thought this was very good.


[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-wins-uneducated-voters-20161109-story.html]Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day. - Chicago Tribune[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1155050]I thought this was very good.


[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-wins-uneducated-voters-20161109-story.html]Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day. - Chicago Tribune[/url][/quote]

That's rich coming from Chicago. The uneducated in Chicago...a place where Obama spent a lot of time...have their day, every day. The uneducated spend their days enjoying such past times as live facebooking their own murder, shooting each other and the innocent, and generally living in a modern day Wild West while blaming others for their problems. Chicago's large swath of uneducated are lead by Obama's right hand man Rahm Emanuel.

Rich

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[quote=Chico23231;1155051]That's rich coming from Chicago. The uneducated in Chicago...a place where Obama spent a lot of time...have their day, every day. The uneducated spend their days enjoying such past times as live facebooking their own murder, shooting each other and the innocent, and generally living in a modern day Wild West while blaming others for their problems. Chicago's large swath of uneducated are lead by Obama's right hand man Rahm Emanuel.

Rich[/quote]

I have always liked Garrison Keillor,I know the link says Chicago but I got it from the WP.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1155048]Have you seen the video of the grade schoolers chanting build the wall yet? I wonder if they are old enough to differentiate between illegal and legal mexican children who have just as much right to be here as them and their immigrant great grandparents? Probably not. Hope there isnt one in that cafeteria?
The seed of hate has been planted. Im not saying their has not been prejudice before. Not at all. But Trump whether inadvertently or not, has given it a voice. It is scary.[/QUOTE]



Welcome to Trump's America

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[quote=Giantone;1155050]I thought this was very good.


[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-wins-uneducated-voters-20161109-story.html]Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day. - Chicago Tribune[/url][/quote]

Of course you thought it was good.
It was like a butt hurt Hillary staffer wrote it.
Not to mention that the same guy has written books about "being a Democrat".

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1155063]Of course you thought it was good.
It was like a butt hurt Hillary staffer wrote it.
Not to mention that the same guy has written books about "being a Democrat".[/quote]



[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrison_Keillor[/url]

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No big surprise :doh:

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/world/europe/trump-campaign-russia.html?_r=0"]Russian Officials Were in Contact With Trump Allies, Diplomat Says[/URL]

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Worth the read

[url=http://www.npr.org/2016/11/10/501597652/fact-check-donald-trumps-first-100-days-action-plan]FACT CHECK: Donald Trump's Plan For His First 100 Days As President : NPR[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;1154954]Not everyone who voted for him is all of the above. Most are. Some are just one or two out of three. Some more are just horribly mis-informed and naive.[/quote]

This describes Clinton voters as well.

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[quote=Giantone;1155065][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrison_Keillor[/url][/quote]

Yea, I know, already looked at that.
He talks like a butt hurt Hillary supporter....

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1155069]This describes Clinton voters as well.[/QUOTE]



I do not know one Clinton supporter that doesn't give a shit about the environment, or who thinks immigrants are rapists. But I appreciate the Trumpian response of "i know you are but what am i"? Lol

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1155070]Yea, I know, already looked at that.
He talks like a butt hurt Hillary supporter....[/quote]


.......or an American that cares.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1155070]Yea, I know, already looked at that.

He talks like a butt hurt Hillary supporter....[/QUOTE]



You mean butt hurt like everyone who voted against Obama?
Pretty ironic how anybody who doesn't agree with the results of this election is written off as butt hurt and being called out to unify with our fellow country men. Get the fuck outta here with that shit. For 8 freaking years all i heard from you all was how Obama was a p.o.s. Now you are all on your unified high horses flinging hypocritical shit all over the place like effing baboons, telling me to accept it and get on board or go to another country. Please.

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[quote=Giantone;1155072].......or an American that cares.[/quote]

Oh whatever...its just a bunch of whining and negativity about Trump.
Its not a pro America article its just anti Trump.
And hes patronizing everyone that voted for him.
Thats why you like it.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1155081]Oh whatever...its just a bunch of whining and negativity about Trump.
Its not a pro America article its just anti Trump.
And hes patronizing everyone that voted for him.
Thats why you like it.[/quote]


...and it's why you don't.I never said it was a pro America artical.

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I think after trump settles in, he gonna be a little more liberal than folks are anticipating.

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[quote=Chico23231;1155095]I think after trump settles in, he gonna be a little more liberal than folks are anticipating.[/quote]

I think he will be a LOT more socially liberal. The talk of LGBT community living in fear is just wrong, he opened up to them at the Republican convention, and will be the most accepting Republican president ever. Same, I believe, goes for the African American communities - I believe, and hope that it's true - that he wants to bring the inner cities out of the poverty cycle they are in, and I think he can do that.

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[quote=punch it in;1155073]You mean butt hurt like everyone who voted against Obama?
Pretty ironic how anybody who doesn't agree with the results of this election is written off as butt hurt and being called out to unify with our fellow country men. Get the fuck outta here with that shit. For 8 freaking years all i heard from you all was how Obama was a p.o.s. Now you are all on your unified high horses flinging hypocritical shit all over the place like effing baboons, telling me to accept it and get on board or go to another country. Please.[/quote]

It's pretty hilarious, for the Obama years it was non-stop bitching about every move the White House made and now that Republicans control the White House and all of Congress all we hear is "let's give Trump a chance and work together." It's exactly why our system is broken, the only difference is this time there are absolutely no excuses for nothing getting done since Congress and the President should be unified, in theory at least. The only people who won't work with Trump (to start) will be the hardcore left/right and they are by far the minority. If Trump follows through on deregulating all those harmful-to-the-environment industries to improve the economy and cuts down the size of our non-defense and health related gov't Congress will eat that shit up.