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[QUOTE=Bucket;1157152]For anyone criticizing the first onside kick. It was a perfect play call. Terrible execution. Ball wastate 10 yards with nobody around it but Redskins. It just continued to roll another 8 after.[/QUOTE]



Perfect play call? It is a gamble call. When you are down 5 in enemy territory and have some momentum I personally would not gamble. It was not a horrible call, and you are correct the execution was terrible.
Was not terrible, but was certainly not perfect. Just a gamble. Imo a bad time to do so.....
If we were down 12 with ten minutes left it would have been a smart gamble - or perfect gamble - whatever. Just didn't see a need to gamble at that point.

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[quote=Bucket;1157150]
[B]
Biggest issue with moving Cravens to safety in Joe Barry defense is he requires his safeties to be interchangeable. So there really is no "strong safety" and "free safety[/B][B]"[/B][/quote]

I think Cravens can play both. He could drop some weight, you know. If Barry doesn't think so, he can change his damn system, as far as I'm concerned.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1157144]If everyone watching from their couches can see this then why can't these dummies that are getting paid see it? This falls on Joe Barry and Gruden. Gruden as the HC need to just say...[B]"F this, let him learn and master ONE position and then we'll talk about using him elsewhere." [/B] I just don't get what they're doing there.[/quote]

That's literally, EXACTLY what Gruden has said. He wants Cravens to learn and prosper at the LineBacker position before moving him around to Safety positions. It may not be the position you wanted first but the plan is there.

Also, Cravens is a ROOKIE. Let's let the kid get a year under his belt before we ask him to do something veterans struggle with.

I honestly can't believe the ignorance of fans who say "Just have him play two positions WTF!?" [B]This is the NFL.[/B] You don't just go back and forth between positions willy-nilly. Imagine being hired in a company and asked to learn two jobs as a fresh intern out of college.

With all that said I DO think Cravens can be that switch player going from LB to Safety [I]eventually[/I]. But it takes time.

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He is certainly familiar with playing both positions. I think he would be an upgrade at safety- rookie or not. That being said I will just let the coaches decide where he can make the biggest impact.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/26/dallas-washington-thanksgiving-game-topped-35-million-viewers/]Dallas-Washington Thanksgiving game topped 35 million viewers | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Holy shit. Welp

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[quote=punch it in;1157164]He is certainly familiar with playing both positions. I think he would be an upgrade at safety- rookie or not. That being said I will just let the coaches decide where he can make the biggest impact.[/quote]

He would actually have to basically learn a new playbook... BUT the safety position is easier to learn (didn't say easier to play) because you """only""" have to learn coverage (which you also need to know as a LB), but your run responsibility is basically always the same (at least it is not nearly as complicated as it is for a LB). And since he has played the position, I'm sure he could do it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157143][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/28610/sua-cravens-just-fine-at-lb-donte-whitner-struggles]Su'a Cravens just fine at LB, but Donte Whitner struggles - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

He's got some good points.
I'd still say moving Cravens to SS would be the "less bad" solution for this year. Next year we definitely need new safeties.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157167]He's got some good points.
I'd still say moving Cravens to SS would be the "less bad" solution for this year. Next year we definitely need new safeties.[/quote]

4.69 speed not good enough, I guess it wouldn't hurt to experiment and see what happens.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1157165][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/26/dallas-washington-thanksgiving-game-topped-35-million-viewers/]Dallas-Washington Thanksgiving game topped 35 million viewers | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Holy shit. Welp[/QUOTE]
Bandwagon Dallas fans

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We are going further in the playoffs then they do this year. I have no doubts about that.

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[quote=punch it in;1157154]Perfect play call? It is a gamble call. When you are down 5 in enemy territory and have some momentum I personally would not gamble. It was not a horrible call, and you are correct the execution was terrible.
Was not terrible, but was certainly not perfect. Just a gamble. Imo a bad time to do so.....
If we were down 12 with ten minutes left it would have been a smart gamble - or perfect gamble - whatever. Just didn't see a need to gamble at that point.[/quote]


When you make calls like that. Just like in Tampa Bay last year, you actually watch film and prepare for the situation. They noticed Dallas gets lazy and drops early on kick return. He even said in the press he noticed they have a gap. That pretty fucking good film study on a short week if you ask me.

He saw the opening and took it. I didn't see it as a gamble, I saw it as preparation and execution. Just like if you decide that a 2 TE set is more effective against one team then the other.

Only problem was, it was poor execution.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1157156]I think Cravens can play both. He could drop some weight, you know. If Barry doesn't think so, he can change his damn system, as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]

He could easily gain weight as well just like Trent Murphy. We need to draft a good safety and not try to plug in another to fill the role like we've done for a decade

Moving Sua to Safety would not only allow him to regress at Linebacker this year. It'll prevent valuable experience he could obtain at the tail end of the year at his more natural position.....Linebacker.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1157167]He's got some good points.
I'd still say moving Cravens to SS would be the "less bad" solution for this year. Next year we definitely need new safeties.[/QUOTE]
How long have we needed new safeties?!?

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[quote=Bucket;1157172]When you make calls like that. Just like in Tampa Bay last year, you actually watch film and prepare for the situation. They noticed Dallas gets lazy and drops early on kick return. He even said in the press he noticed they have a gap. That pretty fucking good film study on a short week if you ask me.

He saw the opening and took it. I didn't see it as a gamble, I saw it as preparation and execution. Just like if you decide that a 2 TE set is more effective against one team then the other.

Only problem was, it was poor execution.[/quote]

well said...I was good with the call, even though it didn't go our way. I'd much rather go-down swinging than by dying a slow death!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1157174]How long have we needed new safeties?!?

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And drafted 2 which neither panned out, Shanahan's picks.

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[quote=Bucket;1157173]He could easily gain weight as well just like Trent Murphy. We need to draft a good safety and not try to plug in another to fill the role like we've done for a decade

Moving Sua to Safety would not only allow him to regress at Linebacker this year. It'll prevent valuable experience he could obtain at the tail end of the year at his more natural position.....Linebacker.[/quote]

We're not going to agree on Cravens' eventual position. I don't see the need to move him to SS this season but I'd like to see him starting there next season.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157168]4.69 speed not good enough, I guess it wouldn't hurt to experiment and see what happens.[/quote]

He'd probably be a little quicker at 215 lbs.

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the more I think about the Red Zone issues and some of our losses...I think Gruden & company need to man up and admit their failures.

Time to get some fresh eyes in to review things. Bring in an ex-coach or an ex-OC. I'm all for letting Wonder Boy McVay learn on the job, but some of these lessons are painful and costly.

There is still time to turn this around & make a deep run into the playoffs. We can't fix the defense right now, but we can certainly make better calls in the Red Zone & get that going with our current personnel.

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[quote=Bangee7;1157180]the more I think about the Red Zone issues and some of our losses...I think Gruden & company need to man up and admit their failures.

[B]Time to get some fresh eyes in to review things. Bring in an ex-coach or an ex-OC.[/B] I'm all for letting Wonder Boy McVay learn on the job, but some of these lessons are painful and costly.

There is still time to turn this around & make a deep run into the playoffs. We can't fix the defense right now, but we can certainly make better calls in the Red Zone & get that going with our current personnel.[/quote]

[U]Absolutely not![/U] Never bring in an outside consultant to second guess your coaching staff. Remember what a disaster it was when Dumb and Dumber brought in the former OC from GB who literally had been calling Bingo games at a Senior Center before he came here?

SM should just tell Jay Gruden to fix the Red Zone problem NOW.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1157185][U]Absolutely not![/U] SM should just tell Jay Gruden to fix the Red Zone problem NOW.[/quote]

Better yet, put on some film of the Gibbs era and the hogs, watch Riggo score 24 TD's in one season.

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I said before the game the pass rush was the key and all we got was only one sack. A
DT better be our first rounder in
May. Our first 3 picks better be
D linemen. Can't give
Dark all day to pick us apart.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1157216]I said before the game the pass rush was the key and all we got was only one sack. A
DT better be our first rounder in
May. Our first 3 picks better be
D linemen. Can't give
Dark all day to pick us apart.[/quote]

I agree about a DL, but I would think our first 3 picks ought to include, in no particular order, DL, C, Safety. Definitely the first pick hopefully will be a playmaker on defense, either line or safety.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1157219]I agree about a DL, but I would think our first 3 picks ought to include, in no particular order, DL, C, Safety. Definitely the first pick hopefully will be a playmaker on defense, either line or safety.[/quote]

Agreed. Also depends on what we get in free agency. I know we like to draft needed talent... But we did get Josh Norman in free agency! If we get a guy like him at DL or safety I'm good with that!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1157219]I agree about a DL, but I would think our first 3 picks ought to include, in no particular order, DL, C, Safety. Definitely the first pick hopefully will be a playmaker on defense, either line or safety.[/quote]

Thats about what I said prior to the draft last year but Scotty McClue had to go pick something shiny in the first round.
If he drafts offense in the first round again I will throw a hissy fit.

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We do need a safety and if Jamal Adams from LSU is starring us in the face come draft day it would be hard not to pick him. That is Earl Thomas 2.0

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157168]4.69 speed not good enough, I guess it wouldn't hurt to experiment and see what happens.[/quote]

agreed . . . we are WAY TOO SLOW of a defense right now as it is . . . 4.69 is good for mlb, but slow for safety, especially full time . . . we need an infusion of speed desperately in this defense.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157220]Agreed. Also depends on what we get in free agency. I know we like to draft needed talent... But we did get Josh Norman in free agency! If we get a guy like him at DL or safety I'm good with that![/quote]

You forgetting Vernon Davis? Him and Norman were considered 2 of the top 10 FA signed this off-season by NFL teams.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1157222]We do need a safety and if Jamal Adams from LSU is starring us in the face come draft day it would be hard not to pick him. That is Earl Thomas 2.0[/quote]

Let's hope he's not Laron Landry part II.

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not only did we lose, but now we ought to root for Dallas for the next 3 games (Minnesota, NYG, Tampa) :puke:

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[I]USC LB/S Su'a Cravens ran the 40-yard dash in [B]4.61[/B] seconds during Wednesday's Pro Day. Cravens notched an official time of 4.61 seconds, though (per TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline) some clubs actually had him lower than that at [B]4.55[/B] seconds. The 6-foot-1, 220-pounder went through drills as both a linebacker and a safety, with one onlooker telling Pauline that he looked "fantastic" and "caught everything but a cold." The analyst notes that most teams at this point are viewing him as a safety than a linebacker. Cravens himself echoed that assertion earlier on Thursday.

Source: walterfootball.com Mar 24 - 1:22 PM[/I]

We all know that S'ua has game speed and quick reactions. Apparently, he runs closer to 4.6 than 4.7. He could play SS in this defense.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1157227]You forgetting Vernon Davis? Him and Norman were considered 2 of the top 10 FA signed this off-season by NFL teams.[/QUOTE]



Unless Vernon can learn DL or S I am afraid he is not the answer...[emoji20]
I know you are referring to free agents in general, and Vernon turned out to be a huge grab for us, but I think French was looking for some help on the other side of the ball.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1157228]Let's hope he's not Laron Landry part II.[/QUOTE]



Exactly my first thought. Lol

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157228]Let's hope he's not Laron Landry part II.[/quote]

Who was our first round pick this year?

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[quote=Bucket;1157152]For anyone criticizing the first onside kick. It was a perfect play call. Terrible execution. Ball wastate 10 yards with nobody around it but Redskins. It just continued to roll another 8 after.

[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/sv6ez6.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Except everyone knew it was coming. Washington took only a little over a minute to score on that pass to DJax. And that was right after Dallas had another long scoring drive. As soon as Jax scored I told my wife "Washington scored too fast and they will want to give their defense more rest. Watch for this onside kick that is coming."

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[quote=punch it in;1157236]Unless Vernon can learn DL or S I am afraid he is not the answer...[emoji20]
I know you are referring to free agents in general, and Vernon turned out to be a huge grab for us,[B] but I think French was looking for some help on the other side of the ball[/B].[/quote]

Exactly :-)

But Vernon Davis is exactly the caliber of player I'd love the Redskins to pick up on D this year!

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Has anyone looked at potential FAs for next year? I didn't see anyone who was really lighting my fire. If we have the money leftover, I'm kind of over the "solid guy" pick-ups we've been getting lately. Not saying I want us to go apeshit, but versus getting 4s and 5s in FA, I'd love to spend a little more and get some 7s or 8s.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1157241]Except everyone knew it was coming. Washington took only a little over a minute to score on that pass to DJax. And that was right after Dallas had another long scoring drive. As soon as Jax scored I told my wife "Washington scored too fast and they will want to give their defense more rest. Watch for this onside kick that is coming."[/quote]

It doesn't look like everyone knew it was coming. Dallas clearly didn't hold at the 45, and if the ball had died right, the Skins had a good shot at it.

I think it was a very good call and time for the call. It just didn't work...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157228]Let's hope he's not Laron Landry part II.[/quote]

Yeah that wouldn't be good, but Adams has much better coverage skills than Landry ever had