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Gus Bradley also qualifies as a near no-brainer. It'd be smart and it would mesh with the philosophy McC is trying to build.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1161867]For Gus Bradley fans:

Early buzz: Gus Bradley is atop Redskins' list of defensive coordinator candidates. GM Scot McCloughan knows him well from their time in SEA[/quote]

Here's the link:

[url=http://www.12up.com/posts/4371213-report-former-jags-coach-emerges-as-redskins-top-defensive-coordinator-target?a_aid=40833]REPORT: Former Jags Coach Emerges as Redskins Top Defensive Coordinator Target | 12up[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1161854]In 2014 he was benched and I think he and Snyder were already off on the wrong foot. Remember the reports that Snyder called Gruden's agent in 14 and said..."your guy is stealing" That can't be confirmed but I probably think Gruden went for a DC that would not threaten him.[/quote]

I'm not saying you're wrong but I never heard anything about that. I am sure Snyder was disappointed we gave up on RG3 though, so it's possible.

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[quote=metalskins;1161870]Here's the link:

[url=http://www.12up.com/posts/4371213-report-former-jags-coach-emerges-as-redskins-top-defensive-coordinator-target?a_aid=40833]REPORT: Former Jags Coach Emerges as Redskins Top Defensive Coordinator Target | 12up[/url][/quote]

I'm alright with this. I know people are saying he isn't one of those coordinators who can work with any talent, but it's not like we're sitting here saying we're alright with our untalented defensive roster. McC knows what he has to do this year.

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[quote=mooby;1161874]I'm alright with this. I know people are saying he isn't one of those coordinators who can work with any talent, but it's not like we're sitting here saying we're alright with our untalented defensive roster. McC knows what he has to do this year.[/quote]

I'm OK with it as well. Wade Phillips will probably keep his job in Denver, so he would be out of the running anyway. Gregg Williams probably wouldn't come back after what happened when Gibbs left, so I think this is the best choice. I don't believe the Redskins are in a position to hire someone who has never been a defensive coordinator before. Bradley has the experience and has had success. McCloughan will work his tail off to bring in the talent that Bradley needs to succeed. I really believe this is almost a no-brainer, because Gruden's job probably hinges on the success of this hire.

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Guys, did you listen at Cooley & Kevin's show from yesterday morning, just a few hours before the firing?

[url=http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-kevin/]Cooley and Kevin | ESPN 980[/url]

I'm amazed by how accurate they are. Cooley has some pretty deep sources, and insights!

They were saying it's not only a DC problem (in fact Cooley says we can do better at DC but Barry's scheme isn't the main problem) but also a defensive staff issue, because, among others things, DB coach let the DB room go completely dismantled, not coaching the guys into playing this defense as designed and as called.

And a few hours after the show, pretty much exactly what they said needed to happen happened. Just wow! They either are pretty close to the decision makers, or effin football wizards!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1161876]Guys, did you listen at Cooley & Kevin's show from yesterday morning, just a few hours before the firing?

[url=http://www.espn980.com/cooley-and-kevin/]Cooley and Kevin | ESPN 980[/url]

I'm amazed by how accurate they are. Cooley has some pretty deep sources, and insights!

They were saying it's not only a DC problem (in fact Cooley says we can do better at DC but Barry's scheme isn't the main problem) but also a defensive staff issue, because, among others things, DB coach let the DB room go completely dismantled, not coaching the guys into playing this defense as designed and as called.

And a few hours after the show, pretty much exactly what they said needed to happen happened. Just wow! They either are pretty close to the decision makers, or effin football wizards![/quote]

Keim said the other day he had heard a lot of complaints about Fewell (DB coach) from the organization and that he wasn't surprised Fewell was let go. I don't know the ins and out, but I think its interesting. We seemed to see a lot of secondary players not play as well as last year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1161877]Keim said the other day he had heard a lot of complaints about Fewell (DB coach) from the organization and that he wasn't surprised Fewell was let go. I don't know the ins and out, but I think its interesting. [B]We seemed to see a lot of secondary players not play as well as last year.[/B][/quote]

Yeah. Norman was the only one who seemed to be able to play at his close to best level. And he has a strong mind.
Something in the coaching didn't help these guys play at their best level.

Don't know what, because I wasn't mad at the effort. Missed tackles number way down, some stops being made despite the apparent lack of talent...

You know what? With a little bit more talent, and the right coaching, we might have a pretty good D next year... Wouldn't bet on it, but with what we are hearing it's far from impossible.

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[quote=Giantone;1161803]Exactly my point.Can he co exist with and take orders from someone else?MHO...no.[/quote]

he did prior to getting a head coaching gig . . . and plenty of of other strong minded head coaches have gone back into coordinators . . . easier job and still tons of money . . . don't know for sure if he can, but he was a great 3-4 DC

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Hi everyone....My first post so go easy on me. I am new here but been a fan of the team for 40 years and was a Season tix holder from 2009-2012.

[quote=Schneed10;1161869]Gus Bradley also qualifies as a near no-brainer. It'd be smart and it would mesh with the philosophy McC is trying to build.[/quote]

I don't know that Bradley is a no brainer.....I took a look at how the Jaguars Defense has been performing while he was there as HC and it isn't encouraging. Granted, he wasn't the DC but he had to have a heavy hand in the D overall. In 13 and 14 they were worse than the Jim Haslett lead Skins D in YPG, and 3rd D %, and both teams were bottom 5-7 in PPG allowed. In 15 Jax was worse than JBarry's Skins in PPG allowed and 3rd D % and both teams were among the league worst in YPG allowed with the Skins only 5 ypg better. in the 2016 season the Jags had the #6 overall defense in YPG allowed which is way better than the Skins but not as good as it sounds when you realize that, like the Skins, they were in the 5 worst in the league for PPG allowed. The Jags had a respectable 3rd D % this past year VS. the Skins historically bad 47% but I can't get excited about this small difference.

Bradley's D since he left Seattle seems to be about on par with Haslett and Barry. Doesn't seem like a good solution to me.

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The defensive players/coaches really sounded like a total dysfunctional shit show. Whoever comes in here really has to roll up his sleeves and command respect from some of these clowns. Breeland seems like the guy that's leading the clown show. If it is in fact Bradley then does that mean we're going back to the 4-3 full time/ base defense?

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[quote=HAILing_from_FL;1161881]Hi everyone....My first post so go easy on me. I am new here but been a fan of the team for 40 years and was a Season tix holder from 2009-2012.



I don't know that Bradley is a no brainer.....I took a look at how the Jaguars Defense has been performing while he was there as HC and it isn't encouraging. Granted, he wasn't the DC but he had to have a heavy hand in the D overall. In 13 and 14 they were worse than the Jim Haslett lead Skins D in YPG, and 3rd D %, and both teams were bottom 5-7 in PPG allowed. In 15 Jax was worse than JBarry's Skins in PPG allowed and 3rd D % and both teams were among the league worst in YPG allowed with the Skins only 5 ypg better. in the 2016 season the Jags had the #6 overall defense in YPG allowed which is way better than the Skins but not as good as it sounds when you realize that, like the Skins, they were in the 5 worst in the league for PPG allowed. The Jags had a respectable 3rd D % this past year VS. the Skins historically bad 47% but I can't get excited about this small difference.

Bradley's D since he left Seattle seems to be about on par with Haslett and Barry. Doesn't seem like a good solution to me.[/quote]

Welcome. But the Jaguars defense was 6th in yards allowed in 2016. If you want an explanation for why the points allowed was so rotten, look no further than the short fields that turnover machine Bortles put them in.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1161882]The defensive players/coaches really sounded like a total dysfunctional shit show. Whoever comes in here really has to roll up his sleeves and command respect from some of these clowns. Breeland seems like the guy that's leading the clown show. If it is in fact Bradley then does that mean we're going back to the 4-3 full time/ base defense?[/quote]

I can't even believe how many times we need to keep saying that it doesn't fucking matter whether we are a 3-4 or 4-3 base. Last year we played in a 4-3 more often than we played in a 3-4.

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[quote=HAILing_from_FL;1161881]Hi everyone....My first post so go easy on me. I am new here but been a fan of the team for 40 years and was a Season tix holder from 2009-2012.



I don't know that Bradley is a no brainer.....I took a look at how the Jaguars Defense has been performing while he was there as HC and it isn't encouraging. Granted, he wasn't the DC but he had to have a heavy hand in the D overall. In 13 and 14 they were worse than the Jim Haslett lead Skins D in YPG, and 3rd D %, and both teams were bottom 5-7 in PPG allowed. In 15 Jax was worse than JBarry's Skins in PPG allowed and 3rd D % and both teams were among the league worst in YPG allowed with the Skins only 5 ypg better. in the 2016 season the Jags had the #6 overall defense in YPG allowed which is way better than the Skins but not as good as it sounds when you realize that, like the Skins, they were in the 5 worst in the league for PPG allowed. The Jags had a respectable 3rd D % this past year VS. the Skins historically bad 47% but I can't get excited about this small difference.

Bradley's D since he left Seattle seems to be about on par with Haslett and Barry. Doesn't seem like a good solution to me.[/quote]

Welcome.. Nice first post and this is my feelings too. Where in Bradley's past has he made something respectable out of chicken shit? Never. He seems like a upbeat, good character type of guy. But the rah rah stuff only goes so far. On the flip side I do think he is motivator and that may be half of what we need. Some of these guys need someone to kick them in the ass and play harder/smarter.

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If we have no talent on D next year we are in trouble anyways. Bradley can work with the type of talent SM likely beings in so I will be ok with that. I also like a HC that drops back down to DC as long as he can get along with Gruden which i dont think is an issue. I think they often get a wider perspective and it enhances there effectiveness as a DC.

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Jim Haslet was a HC before he came to DC as well.

Just sayin

Re: Gruden fires defensive coordinator Joe Barry
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1161889]If we have no talent on D next year we are in trouble anyways. Bradley can work with the type of talent SM likely beings in so I will be ok with that. I also like a HC that drops back down to DC as long as he can get along with Gruden which i dont think is an issue. I think they often get a wider perspective and it enhances there effectiveness as a DC.

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This. I think it's actually better to get a guy who's dropped down from Head Coach to coordinator. It's valuable incite that can only make Gruden a stronger head coach IMO. Doesn't matter if he sucked or not.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161885]I can't even believe how many times we need to keep saying that it doesn't fucking matter whether we are a 3-4 or 4-3 base. Last year we played in a 4-3 more often than we played in a 3-4.[/quote]

No shit, I know that. I'm just wondering if the 3-4 will scrapped all together.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1161894]No shit, I know that. I'm just wondering if the 3-4 will scrapped all together.[/quote]

:doh:

Doesn't matter

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I don't care who it is, I just want to know if we're going to run a 3-4 or 4-3 defense next year.

Any thoughts?

Re: Gruden fires entire defensive staff
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1161703]Barry shouldn't have been hired in the first place. It was a country club hire. He never had the talent to make it work anyway. But his inability to be aggressive and stay passive with below average talent was what did it for me. If you have scrubs you have to be able to scheme things up and he seemed to never be able to do that. The 3rd and longs that were always converted also were probably his downfall.

I hope Gruden hires the best person that's out there, and not one of his Tampa or Cincy buddies.[/quote]

I don't understand how you hire a guy whose only previous experience as an NFL defensive coordinator resulted in a 0-16 season.

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[quote=NCSUredskin;1161892]Ian Rapoport
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#Redskins asked for permission to speak with #Panthers assistant HC & DBs coach Steve Wilks for their DC job, source said. CAR granted it[/quote]

Might also be the Rooney rule, but Wilks seems to be well liked and really helped to shape Josh Norman, so who knows?

Re: Gruden fires defensive coordinator Joe Barry
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1161885]I can't even believe how many times we need to keep saying that it doesn't fucking matter whether we are a 3-4 or 4-3 base. Last year we played in a 4-3 more often than we played in a 3-4.[/QUOTE]


I'm hoping we switch just so we can stop hearing about this complete non issue.

Gruden fires defensive coordinator Joe Barry
 

[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1161902]I don't understand how you hire a guy whose only previous experience as an NFL defensive coordinator resulted in a 0-16 season.[/QUOTE]



To be fair you can't pin that all on him. If you go 0-16 you've got problems all over the place starting with a big time lack of talent.

Re: Gruden fires defensive coordinator Joe Barry
 

[quote=HAILing_from_FL;1161890]Jim Haslet was a HC before he came to DC as well.

Just sayin[/quote]

I think Barry was worst then Haslet.

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[quote=mredskins;1161916]I think Barry was worst then Haslet.[/quote]

It's not even close, he was way worse.

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Honestly it cant be any worse.. Joe Barry just isn't cut out for that role, even in his pressers he sounded like he didn't have the IT factor.. Glad REX said no, hopefully it's going to be Gus's job

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Too bad Gregg Williams couldn't come back as DC. He would the best choice to me. Everywhere he went, he had a good defense. Very aggressive and very creative.

Only bad thing with the Rams defense that Williams had trouble with - was they had issues with the Cowboys and Redskins o lines, led by Callaghan.

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Saw where Guenther(spelling?) From the Bengals was denied an interview with the Redskins for DC??

Experts on here tell me something: What would stop a guy from just quitting the team to sign on wherever they were offered the job? Is it just NFL etiquette? or could the bengals sue him or something.....

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[quote=warriorzpath;1161933]Too bad Gregg Williams couldn't come back as DC. He would the best choice to me. Everywhere he went, he had a good defense. Very aggressive and very creative.

Only bad thing with the Rams defense that Williams had trouble with - was they had issues with the Cowboys and Redskins o lines, led by Callaghan.[/quote]

Except for the Saints and the Rams, yeah he had good defenses. The Rams had a solid defense there, but they weren't top notch. And his Saints defenses were terrible, but I won't single him out because they've been terrible for at least 10 consecutive years now.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1161939]Saw where Guenther(spelling?) From the Bengals was denied an interview with the Redskins for DC??

Experts on here tell me something: What would stop a guy from just quitting the team to sign on wherever they were offered the job? Is it just NFL etiquette? or could the bengals sue him or something.....[/quote]

I don't think your scenario will ever happen because most teams will grant interviews to a guy if it's a step-up scenario. Guenther coming here would be a lateral move, which they weren't clearly weren't cool with. I think they might also like him as HC-in-waiting once Marv retires.

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No you can't just quit your way out of a contract and then sign on with someone else.

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[quote=MTK;1161949]No you can't just quit your way out of a contract and then sign on with someone else.[/quote]

So you can't as in it's ethically wrong, or you can't because the new team under NFL rules would not be allowed to hire you, even if you quit your old team

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Sure he could quit, but he's under contract through 2017 with the Bengals, so unless they let him out of it, and why would they, he couldn't sign with someone else.

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I went with Wade because he is the most proven. I would invite the Bradley or the Wilkes hire as well. Getting rid of Barry early puts us in a good position with several nice coordinator choices. I feel like manusky is the fall back guy, I don't see him as the front runner.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1161953]So you can't as in it's ethically wrong, or you can't because the new team under NFL rules would not be allowed to hire you, even if you quit your old team[/quote]

Quitting would be breach of contract. You could quit, purposely breach the contract, not get paid and open yourself up to a lawsuit. But the contract, even if you breach it, gives the rights to your labor to the Bengals and the Bengals only. So nobody can hire you.

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I'd be happy with Wade, Bradley, or GW. I'd be happiest with Wade.

If Gruden chooses Manusky, I will be highly skeptical and will be looking for him to be right on that hire or else Gruden belongs out on his ass. Head coach is not just about scheme, and coaching. You have to be a CEO capable of hiring the right talent. He's gotta hit on this hire.

Which makes it all the more unfathomable for him to pass up Wade if he can get him. Strongest resume by far.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1161969]I'd be happy with Wade, Bradley, or GW. I'd be happiest with Wade.

If Gruden chooses Manusky, I will be highly skeptical and will be looking for him to be right on that hire or else Gruden belongs out on his ass. Head coach is not just about scheme, and coaching. You have to be a CEO capable of hiring the right talent. He's gotta hit on this hire.

Which makes it all the more unfathomable for him to pass up Wade if he can get him. Strongest resume by far.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with everything that you said....I hope that Gruden interviews Wade Philips and Dan Synder provides enough incentive for him to sign with the Redskins.

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I'd rank my list like this

Phillips
Williams
Bradley
Wilks
Manusky