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Government understaffed. That's funny

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164151]Hillarys intolerant tolerance scared me more than anything Trump said.

In my opinion the democrats ran the bigger fear campaign, every person I know who voted against Trump did so because of fear not because of Hillary's vision. Every voter I know who voted for Trump either saw hope in his message or hated Hillary

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Well you can count me in as someone who hates Hilary. She's a phony son of a bitch. This is really one of the few places where I can truly share my feelings about that con artist. Everywhere else...my family, a lot of my friends and my GF are liberals who still are bitter about the election.

Can you imagine if there was a video out there of Trump calling a Klan member his "friend and mentor?" I mean do the liberals really know some of the shit that she has done?? It's right there on You Tube, this man did horrible things, voted against the Civil Rights act in 1964 and used the N word right before he died. And she up there sucking up to this piece of filth.

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Trump is ballin... wow!

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He's not fucking around and good for him. It's about time someone started putting American lives and the safety of our country first.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164163]Government understaffed. That's funny

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Indeed...
We are so bloated.
Its high time the pork got trimmed.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1164166]He's not fucking around and good for him. It's about time someone started putting American lives and the safety of our country first.[/QUOTE]
Just get ready for a daily dose of victimology TV. You can bet we will see tales of woe from the evil trumpster splashed all over the media. Unlike those who the aca raised premiums and deductibles to crazy heights, or the victims of inner city violence devasted by years of democratic politicians watching there citizens struggle in never ending cycles of governmental programs and welfare.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1164163]Government understaffed. That's funny

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Not really funny to the people that need services.

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Let's take care of those vets, right?

[url=http://www.attn.com/stories/14485/trumps-hiring-freeze-already-hurting-veterans]How the Hiring Freeze Impacts Dept. Veterans Affairs[/url]

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Tell Schumer to let the senate appoint the new VA chief so they can fix the VA.

5 days of a hiring freeze isn't doing any more harm than 8 years of neglect and incompetent leadership. As a vet who uses the VA I am more willing to say lets get it right rather than more of the same.

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The VA needs a lot of work, not hiring isn't part of the solution though. I hope most can at least agree on that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164165]Trump is ballin... wow![/quote]

Ballin lol :doh:

Well if he's ballin he just got flagged for illegal procedure

[url=http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/316714-federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide]Judge blocks deportation of detainees over Trump refugee order | TheHill[/url]

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While I'm not necessarily in agreement with the total ban, it's time for those countries to clean up their fuckin problem and stop spreading them across the world.

If you look at the ban, most hate this country or at the least hate our freedom. They all contain elements that are extremely dangerous to our country. Several are state sponsors of terrorism.

The fact that they are predominantly Muslim hopefully sends a message . When you have folks organize 100k-300k to create a militant nation who are openly committing genocide who are attacking Europe and our country in the name of a religion, then that religion then has a fucking problem. They are responsible for cleaning it up and aren't doing a good job of it. A lot of these country in the Middle East are a disgrace when it comes to human rights. Most of these Muslim run country treats their woman like shit...they have limited rights. But yet you'll never hear a liberal talk about that. But god forbid someone tweet something here in this country that maybe interpreted as sexist. It a hypocritical joke.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164150]Lol hilarious...the electoral college. Why is this a problem now and not in the middle of the campaign or years before?

If you think it's that true or actually that simple, I promise you trump will get a second term.

But my point is this culture shift has hurt the country and trump successfully tapped into it. Read the joke giantone, terrible isn't it?[/quote]


1)It was a problem in the middle of the campaign and Trump wasn't a politician years ago.
2) Trump won't finish this term let alone get another.
3) I read the joke ,so? The joke wasn't bad but since when becuase a few people tweet about a seinfeld joke about Lewis Black doe it speak for all America?
I realize I'm older than alot(most of) you but one thing is ....what you call a "culture shift"I describe as "age". My view point of the world in my teens was different than it was in my twenties and way different in my forties and now ,well I'm and old fart that most of you think is senile.To me it's not a culture shift but social media...not MSM that is hurting the country.

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[quote=Giantone;1164178]1)It was a problem in the middle of the campaign and Trump wasn't a politician years ago.
2) Trump won't finish this term let alone get another.
3) I read the joke ,so? The joke wasn't bad but since when becuase a few people tweet about a seinfeld joke about Lewis Black doe it speak for all America?
I realize I'm older than alot(most of) you but one thing is ....what you call a "culture shift"I describe as "age". My view point of the world in my teens was different than it was in my twenties and way different in my forties and now ,well I'm and old fart that most of you think is senile.To me it's not a culture shift but social media...not MSM that is hurting the country.[/quote]

I got you...I can respect that but your first post kinda sounded like the deplorables remark. I think that hurt Hillary a ton.

You know just based on the first week, I don't think it's out of the question trump may not finish the term.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164177]While I'm not necessarily in agreement with the total ban, it's time for those countries to clean up their fuckin problem and stop spreading them across the world.

If you look at the ban, most hate this country or at the least hate our freedom. They all contain elements that are extremely dangerous to our country. Several are state sponsors of terrorism.

The fact that they are predominantly Muslim hopefully sends a message . When you have folks organize 100k-300k to create a militant nation who are openly committing genocide who are attacking Europe and our country in the name of a religion, then that religion then has a fucking problem. They are responsible for cleaning it up and aren't doing a good job of it. A lot of these country in the Middle East are a disgrace when it comes to human rights. Most of these Muslim run country treats their woman like shit...they have limited rights. [B]But yet you'll never hear a liberal talk about that. But god forbid someone tweet something here in this country that maybe interpreted as sexist. It a hypocritical joke.[/quote]
[/B]

You won't hear them talk about a lot of things. You won't hear them talk about the Somalian guy who tried to kill innocent Ohio State students with his car and a butcher knife. They'd probably feel different if it was them getting stabbed, or run over. Or you won't hear them talk about more than 1,000 Syrians getting arrested in England last year. Some for serious crimes such as rape. Or the serious issue it's causing in Germany, more crime by Syrians over there. It's crickets when you start talking about that shit...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164174]Tell Schumer to let the senate appoint the new VA chief so they can fix the VA.

5 days of a hiring freeze isn't doing any more harm than 8 years of neglect and incompetent leadership. As a vet who uses the VA I am more willing to say lets get it right rather than more of the same.

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Eight years of neglect??? Lets try a min of 50 years,the Veterans have been getting bullshit since Kennedy.I would have said Ike but I can't remember him as President.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1164182]Eight years of neglect??? Lets try a min of 50 years,the Veterans have been getting bullshit since Kennedy.I would have said Ike but I can't remember him as President.[/QUOTE]
All the more reason to take a step back and re-evaluate everything before going forward.

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[quote=MTK;1164175]The VA needs a lot of work, not hiring isn't part of the solution though. I hope most can at least agree on that.[/quote]

Trump vowed during his campaign to overhaul the VA. Just adding bodies doent mean a fix if its broken that bad.

[url]https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/veterans-affairs-reform[/url]

[I]*Make the VA great again by firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, by modernizing the VA, and by empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner.[/I]

[I]*Increase the number of mental health care professionals, and allow veteran's to be able to seek mental health care outside of the VA.[/I]

There will be hiring and there will be firing, besides most of the VA jobs are exempt from Trumps order.

[url=http://thehill.com/policy/defense/316590-va-specifies-jobs-exempt-from-trumps-hiring-freeze]VA specifies jobs exempt from Trump's hiring freeze | TheHill[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164184]All the more reason to take a step back and re-evaluate everything before going forward.

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Your insinuation that it had only been neglected under Obama( the last eight years)is my point. Republicans and Democrats need to take responsibility for that fiasco!

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I insinuated nothing. I made no claim other than a hiring freeze does no more harm then all the neglect and incompetence under President Obama's administration. You trying to minimize the disaster that was Obama's VA by saying it has always been a disaster - doesn't do anything more than exemplify why letting things run as usual is a terrible idea.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164189]I insinuated nothing. I made no claim other than a hiring freeze does no more harm then all the neglect and incompetence under President Obama's administration. You trying to minimize the disaster that was Obama's VA by saying it has always been a disaster - doesn't do anything more than exemplify why letting things run as usual is a terrible idea.

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You proved my point,the VA has been neglected for the last fifty years but you only want to emphasize the "Obama" years.Pretty sure my post #136 doesn't minimize anything.

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[quote=Giantone;1164193]You proved my point,the VA has been neglected for the last fifty years but you only want to emphasize the "Obama" years.Pretty sure my post #136 doesn't minimize anything.[/quote]

I don't know...your reaching on this giantone. The va hit the bottom during obama years.

But you can use the same logic with our security along the southern border issue. That would be very true...mismanaged but both dem and GOP presidencies.

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[quote=Giantone;1164193]You proved my point,the VA has been neglected for the last fifty years but you only want to emphasize the "Obama" years.Pretty sure my post #136 doesn't minimize anything.[/quote]

Actually, I agreed with your point (my post#137), but your point is irrelevant to the discussion.

To reflect on the discussion - Matty posted an article saying how the hiring freeze has had a victim and used that as an indictment of Trump not taking care of the vets. I made the point that a 5 day hiring freeze(or 90 day with exceptions for public safety) has done no worse than Pres Obama's past policies. So whether the time frame is 4 years, 8 years, or 20 years or 50 years, the point of the discussion remains the same.

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How long is the freeze going to last though?

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[quote=MTK;1164205]How long is the freeze going to last though?[/quote]

The freeze is so dumb. What needs to happen is a cleaning of house. So many poor quality federal workers.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1164206]The freeze is so dumb. What needs to happen is a cleaning of house. So many poor quality federal workers.[/QUOTE]


I'm not sure it's any different than the private sector, there are shitty workers everywhere you go. But with the union it's tougher to clean house.

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After reading up and getting more information about the ban...the more I think it doesn't make sense. First, if a family has been in a refugee camp for over a year and has gone thru or getting vetted to immigrate into the country...then they should be allowed to come in simply because they our escaping the war and not participating in it. In fact, those are the ones who should be moved to the front of the line.

There is a lot of misinformation out there...the basic fear...and folks it's a real fear, so don't play the dumb card, where everybody simply acts like they don't remember Brussels, Paris, Boston, San berdino, etc......the fear is someone can get on a plane in Yemen without much vetting and come into the country. It's a real fear folks. Because Yemen...if you don't know...is completely lawless and is where al queda has moved base operations too. We should absolutely be accepting no one from that country.

But a couple things...no fly list and obama same exact order to ban folks from Iraq and Syria during his administration for 6 months. Its fucking amazing to me, fucking amazing the media never said shit. These fucking pussy protesters never said a word. How can these folks be such hypocrites? The media never criticizes the president once,with this ban.

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[quote=MTK;1164208]I'm not sure it's any different than the private sector, there are shitty workers everywhere you go. But with the union it's tougher to clean house.[/quote]

I have worked in both sectors; the govt takes the cake on useless workers. Plus they can never be fired.

A govt employee in my office got caught jerking it at his seat. Still here to this day just moved him to another part of the building. Its unbelievable.

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[quote=MTK;1164205]How long is the freeze going to last though?[/quote]

Here is an article on the guidelines from OMB:
[url=http://federalnewsradio.com/hiringretention/2017/01/omb-releases-initial-hiring-freeze-guidance-agencies/]OMB releases initial hiring freeze guidance for agencies - FederalNewsRadio.com[/url]
a few bullet points:[LIST][*] temporarily prohibits agencies from making new hires until OMB develops a long-term plan [B]within the next 90 days[/B] to reduce the size of the federal workforce through attrition[*]Individuals who received a job offer or an appointment before Jan. 22, received a confirmation from the agency and received a start date on or before Feb. 22, 2017 should report to work on that day[*][for job offers without a start date (or starts after Feb 22)]Agency heads should consider merit system principles, essential mission priorities and current agency resources and funding levels when making determinations whether or not to revoke appointments[*]agencies that they can make “limited” exemptions to the hiring freeze if they determine that those jobs are necessary to maintain public safety or national security[/LIST]
also here is an [URL="http://federalnewsradio.com/hiringretention/2017/01/va-officially-exempts-health-contracting-professionals-hiring-freeze/"]article about the VA [/URL]and the exemptions for Doctors/medical practicioners as well as some construction projects

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1164210]I have worked in both sectors; the govt takes the cake on useless workers. Plus they can never be fired.



A govt employee in my office got caught jerking it at his seat. Still here to this day just moved him to another part of the building. Its unbelievable.[/QUOTE]



I've worked in both too and my experience was far worse in the private sector as far as lazy bum workers.

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The funny thing about all these executive orders and the uproar is that they are all either based on existing laws that President Obama used his pen and phone to ignore or they are temporary orders while new policies are evaluated and written by the Congress. I feel sympathy for those caught in the wake of the ship of state making a wide turn, but for example with the entrance ban, at most over the weekend we were talking about 200 people out of hundreds of thousands of passengers.
If the Congress wants to expedite a law, than write it up, submit it, and pass better laws.

And most importantly work together to accomplish it, but we know [B]neither[/B] side wants that...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164213]The funny thing about all these executive orders and the uproar is that they are all either based on existing laws that President Obama used his pen and phone to ignore or they are temporary orders while new policies are evaluated and written by the Congress. [/quote]

Here are the differences between what Obama, Carter and Trump executive orders. There is a huge difference.

[url=http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30/sorry-mr-president-the-obama-administration-did-nothing-similar-to-your-immigration-ban/]Sorry, Mr. President: The Obama Administration Did Nothing Similar to Your Immigration Ban | Foreign Policy[/url]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/30/obama-rejects-comparison-between-trumps-immigration-policy-and-his-own-encourages-protests/?utm_term=.5e3269e4e9da[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1164166]He's not fucking around and good for him. It's about time someone started putting American lives and the safety of our country first.[/quote]


He going to ban lawnmowers next? Weak minded people are driven by fear. The things they fear the most aren't even the things most dangerous to them. Amazing what media can do to people.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DQ2CUw8.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164174]Tell Schumer to let the senate appoint the new VA chief so they can fix the VA.

5 days of a hiring freeze isn't doing any more harm than 8 years of neglect and incompetent leadership. As a vet who uses the VA I am more willing to say lets get it right rather than more of the same.

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I think you need to look at your own party for the failing of the VA.

[url=http://usuncut.com/politics/happy-veterans-day-5-times-republicans-in-congress-screwed-veterans/]5 Times Republicans in Congress Screwed Veterans[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1164244]I think you need to look at your own party for the failing of the VA.

[url=http://usuncut.com/politics/happy-veterans-day-5-times-republicans-in-congress-screwed-veterans/]5 Times Republicans in Congress Screwed Veterans[/url][/quote]

same thing I said to G1. I agree. It misses the point in this discussion, but I agree.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1164243]He going to ban lawnmowers next? Weak minded people are driven by fear. The things they fear the most aren't even the things most dangerous to them. Amazing what media can do to people.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DQ2CUw8.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

you forgot pool drownings. I am big on pool drownings.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1164180][/B]

You won't hear them talk about a lot of things. You won't hear them talk about the Somalian guy who tried to kill innocent Ohio State students with his car and a butcher knife.[/quote]


I know we kinda moved on a bit but this came to mind.I was thirteen and a freshman in high school.

I am afraid for this country.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakLUusNlXc[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1164257]I know we kinda moved on a bit but this came to mind.I was thirteen and a freshman in high school.

I am afraid for this country.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakLUusNlXc[/url][/quote]

It seems to me this is reason to hope for the country. We have had times of great strife, government violence on it's own people, brothers fighting brothers, but our nation has survived.

Even now, when sane and rational people can absolutely air their 100% disagreements, in public and via the net, we don't resort to governmental violence (even if some protesters have). We witnessed an inauguration crowd peacefully witness the transition of polar opposites, only to have the very next day the streets filled with peaceful protesters against the people involved in that very transition. Our national guards are held to higher standards and have shown tremendous restraint even as protesters filled cities like Baltimore, and St Louis. We have airports filled with protesters making their feelings and points known, but no fatal governmental response has occurred.

It's easy to fall into the fear politics of either side, but step back, take a deep breath, and remember that this country was built by people of every race, creed and gender who loved this country more than the issues that divide us. Some will say Trump builds a base of fear, others (me included) say the democrats and liberal media build fear into the soul of their supporters, but we ALL should be able to agree that the US is what we all want to build up. And our history, I think, shows that times of great division have in the past made us a stronger, and better, country, even as we fight amongst ourselves.

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This Spicer guy eh?

[url=http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/01/sean-spicer-retweets-the-onion-calling-job-misinformation.html]Sean Spicer Retweets the Onion Calling Job Misinformation[/url]

[url]https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/26/sean-spicer-n9y25ah7/[/url]

But those emails right?

[url=http://www.computerworld.com/article/3161855/mobile-wireless/trump-still-uses-his-unsecured-android-phone-to-tweet.html?nsdr=true]Report: Trump still uses his unsecured Android phone to tweet | Computerworld[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1164243]He going to ban lawnmowers next? Weak minded people are driven by fear. The things they fear the most aren't even the things most dangerous to them. Amazing what media can do to people.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DQ2CUw8.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I've worked in media since 1997 and ignore it for the most part. All you need to do is take a look at what's going on in Germany and England. Immigrants are sexually assaulting women, they're committing robbery. These are facts, not media bullshit.