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[quote=punch it in;1180585]Fuck Bruce Allen, he can go pretend to know what the fuck he is doing somewhere else. Fuck blaming the refs and that one play on the biggest pussy meltdown in the sorry ass history of this jerkoff team owned by captain jerkoff Jay Gruden should be writing a letter to the fan base right now asking for forgiveness for being the biggest dipshit to ever stand on our sidelines. And there have been alot of dipshits on our sidelines.[/quote]

Lol, he is a dipshit.

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[quote=punch it in;1180585]Fuck Bruce Allen, he can go pretend to know what the fuck he is doing somewhere else. Fuck blaming the refs and that one play on the biggest pussy meltdown in the sorry ass history of this jerkoff team owned by captain jerkoff Jay Gruden should be writing a letter to the fan base right now asking for forgiveness for being the biggest dipshit to ever stand on our sidelines. And there have been alot of dipshits on our sidelines.[/quote]

I nominate this guy, not Jay Gruden, for biggest dipshit coach on our sideline.
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Now for biggest dipshit in Redskins history it's these guys:

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1180588]I nominate this guy, not Jay Gruden, for biggest dipshit coach on our sideline.

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Now for biggest dipshit in Redskins history it's these guys:



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Captain Jerkoff isnt eligible for dipshit awards. [emoji23]

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I wish I liked something else more than sports. Between Thunder blowing a 23 point lead Friday night and the Redskins epic fail today, this weekend fucking sucked. Glad it's Monday.

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Defense gave up 18 points on last 3 possessions. Would have been 22 if Saints didn't only need a field goal to win in OT. Amazing dipshittery.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1180590]I wish I liked something else more than sports. Between Thunder blowing a 23 point lead Friday night and the Redskins epic fail today, this weekend fucking sucked. Glad it's Monday.[/QUOTE]



Lol. Was thinking this exact thing earlier only Im a sixers fan. We scored 47 in the first quarter against the Warriors. Had a 24 point lead at the half. Apparently Brett Brown gets his halftime speeches from Pussy Gruden.
Thank God for my Canes. At least They got their act together.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1180584]10’seconds and 10 yards, they listened to Payton’s whining instead of making the right call. Refs suck and I can’t stand Sean Payton (fucking punk).[/quote]

I knew it wasn't grounding when it occurred. But, I knew we were about get done in, once Payton and the Saints' fans started going bonkers. On cue, a flag comes out.

That kinda crap is unacceptable.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1180466]It's the 2016 defense all over again. We have to be able to score 40 points every week just to have a decent shot at winning. We will probably win one of the giants games and lose the rest in wild shootouts. 5-11 this season.

Does anyone get fired I wonder if we tank down the stretch? Jay is probably safe, or is he?[/quote]

I totally agree. The Skins have scored plenty of points the last 2 weeks to have won but the defense cant stop anyone in crunch time.

I do think this team is very close to being very good and the dumbest thing the organization could do is a major overhaul of coaching and players. That said this organization is always doing dumb things so I fully expect the HC and Cousins to be gone and another rebuild to begin.

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What we really need, is a way for certain potentially game changing penalties to be reviewed. I'm not saying look at every hold / offsides, etc... But a lot of the ones that are blatantly wrong, the coaches should have a way to call for a review. Maybe like sort of another set of challenge flags...

Two league sources reached out to Bruce Allen after this game and told him that the intentional grounding call was incorrect.

Somehow the NFL has to implement some kind of system where penalties can be reviewed. The refs are making mistakes on them too often and to me, a game should never have to come down to if the referees make the right calls or not.

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The skins always get bad calls, the NFL doesn't want the name anymore. It's too obvious.

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[quote=irish;1180596]I totally agree. The Skins have scored plenty of points the last 2 weeks to have won but the defense cant stop anyone in crunch time.

I do think this team is very close to being very good and the dumbest thing the organization could do is a major overhaul of coaching and players. [B]That said this organization is always doing dumb things so I fully expect the HC and Cousins to be gone and another rebuild to begin[/B].[/quote]

This would be a terrible move...I think we are close and I really hope no drastic moves are made outside of firing Bruce Allen, which I would totally be in favor of.

Signing Cousins and keeping him with Jay is the best path forward.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180590]I wish I liked something else more than sports. Between Thunder blowing a 23 point lead Friday night and the Redskins epic fail today, this weekend fucking sucked. Glad it's Monday.[/quote]

I hear you. I work from home and have had a miserable week. Was going to finally take an afternoon off and watch the Redskins and Nascar. I almost wish they had got blown out, to play so well for 54 minutes and have an epic collapse the last 6 and OT is the ultimate letdown. At least my girlfriend had went home and the nearest neighbor is almost 1/2 mile away so I could vocalize my displeasure without looking like a raving madman. I think I invented some new cuss words and may have scared the cat.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180570]If Gruden called a QB sneak there is a 99% chance we're all having a completely different conversation. But once again he failed. Hell I would have tried a QB sneak on 4th down too if needed knowing how Manusky is just as incompetent as he is. Our HC, OC, and DC all suck.[/quote]

I dont blame Gruden for not wanting to run behind Nysehke/Roullier/Scerff in that situation. We had passed the ball on 4th-n-short before.

Our HC, OC, DC (in fairness) only sucked for the last 6 mins of the second half. Before that, they we 15 up on a 7-2 home team. Having Spaight/Hall up the middle defense was a huge weak spot and Payton exploited it and we didnt cover it up.
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Watching it live, I thought it was intentional grounding .. but seeing this, clearly he is in no "imminent loss of yards".

Brutal call. Shouldnt have let the game get to that point.

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Thanks NFL, this makes it ALLLL better -
[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/report-league-admits-getting-kirk-cousins-intentional-grounding-call-wrong]Per report, league admits to getting Kirk Cousins' intentional grounding call wrong | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

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Thanks NFL. At least they say they’re sorry after they give it to you raw dog style.

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[quote=Chico23231;1180604]This would be a terrible move...I think we are close and [B]I really hope no drastic moves are made outside of firing Bruce Allen[/B], which I would totally be in favor of.

Signing Cousins and keeping him with Jay is the best path forward.[/quote]

Unfortunately, this is the drastic move that is least unlikely to happen. Looking at the big picture, I can't bring myself to believe that the current FO can continue the path that Scot put us on. Smithers is an empty suit and Doug Williams is a figurehead.

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[quote=Chico23231;1180604]This would be a terrible move...I think we are close and I really hope no drastic moves are made outside of firing Bruce Allen, which I would totally be in favor of.

Signing Cousins and keeping him with Jay is the best path forward.[/quote]

I agree.

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Coaching is a major issue. Gruden didn't learn A FUCKING THING from the 9ers game...... Just get a first fucking down you douchebag!!!!!! - He's fucking fired for a repeat gutless spineless failed attempt to close a fucking game. Gone.

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[quote=over the mountain;1180607]I dont blame Gruden for not wanting to run behind Nysehke/Roullier/Scerff in that situation. We had passed the ball on 4th-n-short before.

Our HC, OC, DC (in fairness) only sucked for the last 6 mins of the second half. Before that, they we 15 up on a 7-2 home team. Having Spaight/Hall up the middle defense was a huge weak spot and Payton exploited it and we didnt cover it up.
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Watching it live, I thought it was intentional grounding .. but seeing this, clearly he is in no "imminent loss of yards".

Brutal call. Shouldnt have let the game get to that point.[/quote]


Had that fucking idiot Vernon Davis caught that pass, this wouldn't even have been an issue. Two HUGE drops from VD. Need more consistency. Does no good if you make a play and then fuck up 3.

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[quote=Meks;1180620]Coaching is a major issue. Gruden didn't learn A FUCKING THING from the 9ers game...... Just get a first fucking down you douchebag!!!!!! - He's fucking fired for a repeat gutless spineless failed attempt to close a fucking game. Gone.[/quote]


I think his 25-31-1 record with the Skins speaks for itself. Also during his tenure injuries seem to be higher than league average. I think that could be more than bad luck. Could the training staff be the issue? Team doctors? Players having too much contact in practice or too little? I think the injuries are more than just coincidence. Fans that say the Redskins are on the right path with the Gruden-Cousins combo probably don't set the bar very high.

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As a reminder, here's what Scot McCloughan had to say about Kirk's ceiling on 106.7 The Fan radio in May of this year:

"His ceiling is where it's at right now," McCloughan told hosts Grant Paulsen and Danny Rouhier. “He’s a good player who has proven he can win a division and that’s hard to find -- and a chance for two years in a row to go to the playoffs. That’s what you’re looking for.”

It’s what the Redskins have -- and yet no offer has come close to getting a deal done. But the reasons why also can be found in McCloughan’s comments, reiterating points he made when he was still in charge. The Redskins need to make sure they can afford players at other positions, too. That’s something even coach Jay Gruden has mentioned in the past as well. It’s always been central to the issue.

"Everyone says it’s the most important position on the field," McCloughan said. “I understand he touches the ball every snap, but it’s the guys around him. If you’re paying the quarterback, then you’re losing an offensive lineman, you’re going to lose the defensive lineman, you’re going to lose the corner. With the cap, you can’t afford it."

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[quote=NC_Skins;1180627]Had that fucking idiot Vernon Davis caught that pass, this wouldn't even have been an issue. Two HUGE drops from VD. Need more consistency. Does no good if you make a play and then fuck up 3.[/quote]

Davis injured his right hand shortly before he dropped that high pass.

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[quote=Chico23231;1180604]This would be a terrible move...I think we are close and I really hope no drastic moves are made outside of firing Bruce Allen, which I would totally be in favor of.

Signing Cousins and keeping him with Jay is the best path forward.[/quote]


Agreed. I'm tired of the constant merry-go-round of coaches. Gruden hasn't been the worst coach we've had. He's probably had more success in the short term than any of our other coaches not named Joe Gibbs. This season, in my opinion, is all on Bruce Allen. He is the one who needs to be fired. Scot McCloughan needs to be rehired and given full control over player and coaching personnel. He's a true football guy, and a true football guy would've probably had the team better prepared for the rash of injuries we sustained (and still sustaining) this year. I better football guy would've seen value in keeping at least one of two 1000 yard receivers on the team.

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[quote=metalskins;1180634]Agreed. I'm tired of the constant merry-go-round of coaches. Gruden hasn't been the worst coach we've had. He's probably had more success in the short term than any of our other coaches not named Joe Gibbs. This season, in my opinion, is all on Bruce Allen. He is the one who needs to be fired. Scot McCloughan needs to be rehired and given full control over player and coaching personnel. He's a true football guy, and a true football guy would've probably had the team better prepared for the rash of injuries we sustained (and still sustaining) this year. I better football guy would've seen value in keeping at least one of two 1000 yard receivers on the team.[/quote]

lets all remember...Bruce and Dan turned down Cousins counteroffer at $19 million per year a couple years ago. Bruce should be fired based on that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1180636]lets all remember...Bruce and Dan turned down Cousins counteroffer at $19 million per year a couple years ago. Bruce should be fired based on that.[/quote]

Exactly. They talk about Jerry Jones possibly having to put the Cowboys up for sell because of him being a detriment to the league. I am hoping Dan Snyder becomes outspokenly in favor of Jones that he gets in the cross-hairs as well, lol! At least puts Bruce Allen out there as a sacrifice!

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I don't think Allen is going anywhere. He's the perfect guy for Snyder and will probably work here as long as he wants. Think about the last time you've heard a peep out of Snyder? I can't even remember when he's actually talked to anyone. Allen is Synder's henchman.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1180627]Had that fucking idiot Vernon Davis caught that pass, this wouldn't even have been an issue. Two HUGE drops from VD. Need more consistency. Does no good if you make a play and then fuck up 3.[/quote]

Again, the game should never have come down to overtime. You let a team go 80 yards in 4 plays in like 5 seconds. There really is no excuse for that. It's a total breakdown of coaching and execution.

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Bruce Allen is to Dan Snyder what Roger Goodell is to all the owners. He'll probably get a raise.

I'd love for Doug Williams to be the GM and let him make the call on Gruden and all the coaches. And to sit with Cousins and figure this shit out. Too bad Allen is Synders loverboy.

Its not like Gruden is some young new coach, he's been here a few years now and in the NFL for a while. I rememeber Bengals fans being glad he left due to similar issues in playcalling.

I want a defensive head coach that hires a young up and coming OC. Obviously he'd want his own DC too, so Manusky would be gone by default. I get not wanting constant change. But not making a change in this situation only for the sake of not making change isn't a good idea imho

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Deangelo Hall grade from PFF yesterday:

S DeAngelo Hall, 24.6 overall grade

Hall’s day was about as bad as it gets for a safety. He missed three of his eight tackle attempts and allowed all four of his targets to be completed for 67 yards and a touchdown


24.6 ? FFS, why is he on the field?

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[quote=Chico23231;1180643]Deangelo Hall grade from PFF yesterday:

S DeAngelo Hall, 24.6 overall grade

Hall’s day was about as bad as it gets for a safety. He missed three of his eight tackle attempts and allowed all four of his targets to be completed for 67 yards and a touchdown


24.6 ? FFS, why is he on the field?[/quote]

he's old and needs to retire.

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Hall is absolutely useless. He should basically be cut now. If you want to just plug in a body get one that can still move without a walker for fuck sake.
I am not a fan of the coaching turn-style, but Grudens playcalling is amateurish at best. Consistency is good and all but a turd is a turd and will never turn into a bar of gold no matter how long you let it sit around.

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[quote=Chico23231;1180604]This would be a terrible move...I think we are close and I really hope no drastic moves are made outside of firing Bruce Allen, which I would totally be in favor of.

Signing Cousins and keeping him with Jay is the best path forward.[/quote]After cooling off, I totally agree. You can sign Kirk and continue to expand your core most cost effectively through the draft. If you sign Kirk, you can probably only afford to re-sign one of DJ Swearinger or Zack Brown. For leadership, I think Swearinger would be the right choice there.

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I reject the notion that continuity is the best path to success. The Rams under Fisher were garbage to mediocre every season, then in comes McVay and Wade Phillips and they're good immediately. Mike Zimmer takes over the Vikings in 2014 and they go 7-9, and then 11-5 in the second year, and now they're 8-2. Doug Pederson takes over the Eagles last year, they go 7-9, and now in his second year they're 9-1. Andy Reid takes over the Chiefs in 2013, after they went 4-12 the year before. What does he do?
11-5 in his first season. Pete Carroll takes over Seattle in 2010 - they go 7-9 two years in a row and then they land Wilson - no fewer than 10 wins in any season since.

If you've got the QB then a good coach can make a difference immediately. So that's the question - do we have the QB? No doubt in my mind that Cousins is the guy but will he sign here if Gruden is gone?

Get Cousins under contract long term, then find the next coach. That's where I'm at.

Fuck off with this continuity bullshit, it's a farce.

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Continuity just for the sake of it is worthless, so you have to ask if Gruden is the main thing holding us back. Personally I don’t believe so.

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[quote=Chico23231;1180643]Deangelo Hall grade from PFF yesterday:

S DeAngelo Hall, 24.6 overall grade

Hall’s day was about as bad as it gets for a safety. He missed three of his eight tackle attempts and allowed all four of his targets to be completed for 67 yards and a touchdown


24.6 ? FFS, why is he on the field?[/quote]

I said last week, Hall is garbage now. Too many injuries to his lower extremities has taken its toll, and he no longer has his blazing speed nor lateral quickness.

I'd rather play Everett and bring up Fish (Smithson) from the practice squad. Let Hall serve as a player/coach, and he only gets in if Nicholson, Everett, or Fish can't go.

Nicholson can't seem to finish games and has been beat up since our game versus the Chiefs. He's clearly our best free safety.

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[quote=MTK;1180673]Continuity just for the sake of it is worthless, so you have to ask if Gruden is the main thing holding us back. Personally I don’t believe so.[/quote]

This is a thoughtful post and it made me think.

I think your statement is accurate, he's not holding us back. But at the same time he's not propelling us forward. In my opinion we have the talent to perform better than we are, especially in certain specific situations like 2-minute.

Coaches capable of winning the Super Bowl don't just get out what their talent dictates. They make it better, they squeeze extra juice out of the lemon, they make chicken salad out of...

After four years I think we know. He's average. He won't hold you back, but he also won't beat anybody he's not supposed to.

I'd like to get the QB under contract, and once we do, take a shot and make a change.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/34486/from-pump-fakes-to-missed-tackles-redskins-defense-broke-down-in-key-spots]From pump fakes to missed tackles, Redskins' D broke down in key spots - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1180662]I reject the notion that continuity is the best path to success. The Rams under Fisher were garbage to mediocre every season, then in comes McVay and Wade Phillips and they're good immediately. Mike Zimmer takes over the Vikings in 2014 and they go 7-9, and then 11-5 in the second year, and now they're 8-2. Doug Pederson takes over the Eagles last year, they go 7-9, and now in his second year they're 9-1. Andy Reid takes over the Chiefs in 2013, after they went 4-12 the year before. What does he do?
11-5 in his first season. Pete Carroll takes over Seattle in 2010 - they go 7-9 two years in a row and then they land Wilson - no fewer than 10 wins in any season since.

If you've got the QB then a good coach can make a difference immediately. So that's the question - do we have the QB? No doubt in my mind that Cousins is the guy but will he sign here if Gruden is gone?

Get Cousins under contract long term, then find the next coach. That's where I'm at.

Fuck off with this continuity bullshit, it's a farce.[/quote]



How many of those teams have a Bruce Allen or a Vinny Cerrato in the front office? You can keep rotating coaches like we have for the last 20 years, and never hit a home run with any of them because of the front office.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/20/terrelle-pryor-having-ankle-surgery/]Terrelle Pryor having ankle surgery – ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1180568]Even with the miscommunication the refs totally blew it. That is not grounding by the rules. The refs blew that call horribly.[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more, that’s why I say this team has to be cursed!!