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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190263][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/13/kirk-cousins-has-a-film-crew-documenting-his-free-agency-experience/]Kirk Cousins has a film crew documenting his free agency experience – ProFootballTalk[/url]

Ok this is a little much now.[/quote]

Kirk is making it easier and easier for me to be glad he's gone. Holy Shit. I was already realizing that he's not the "consummate professional" that he tries to project to the media, but this takes it to a whole new level. WOW.

For those who are thinking of watching this compelling television, I'll sum it up and save you the trouble.

1. Takes a plane ride.
2. signs on the dotted line.
3. Receives a big wad of cash.

WOW.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1190479]If he tears an acl game 1 they are screwed for 3 years. Granted injuries are what they are, but they better make their oline better.

I will be interested (in an nfl fan way not KC specific) to see what happens at the end of the 3 years.[/QUOTE]


We don’t know the details of the deal yet and what part of it could be guaranteed based on injury

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[quote=HailGreen28;1190455]Here's Kirk's goodbye:

[URL="https://kirkcousins.org/blogs/blog/thank-you-washington?utm_campaign=KCfarewell031218&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social"]https://kirkcousins.org/blogs/blog/thank-you-washington?utm_campaign=KCfarewell031218&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social[/URL]

"There is no way I would be where I am today without the leadership of the Redskins organization … Coach Gruden, Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder. Thank you all for the opportunity you gave me. When Cooper someday asks: “Hey Dad, what was it like playing for the Redskins?” I’ll proudly tell him it was a dream come true.

Thanks for having me, Washington, and thanks for making me into the player I am today!"

But what a D-Bag Cousins is, and what a great guy Alex Smith is, right?[/quote]



You forgot to include this detail. Right from the get go.

[quote]As I’m about to make one of the bigger decisions of my life, I’ll be saying goodbye to my familiar life as a Redskin. After calling Washington home for the past six years, [B][U]the team has decided to move on to another option and, in turn, my family and I will be moving on as well.[/U][/B][/quote]

He's a bit disingenuous with that statement. Our team had no other choice but to move on because he had no fucking intention of signing a long term deal with us. THAT is the big difference in the two "good byes". Yeah, he is a douche bag.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1190489]You forgot to include this detail. Right from the get go.



He's a bit disingenuous with that statement. Our team had no other choice but to move on because he had no fucking intention of signing a long term deal with us. THAT is the big difference in the two "good byes". Yeah, he is a douche bag.[/quote]

He wanted the guaranteed contract all along, so in some ways yes he was all about the $ but he did join a good team so he wants to win too.

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Well the team did make the first move in trading for Smith, I think that’s what he’s referring to. Either way it’s over, time to move on.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1190469]I’m sure the Vikings are well aware of how their cap projects over the next 3 years. This is hardly a deal that will handcuff them.[/QUOTE]We shall see they are already asking players to take pay cuts or be cut today.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1190497]We shall see they are already asking players to take pay cuts or be cut today.

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That’s a normal part of business every year

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[QUOTE=MTK;1190499]That’s a normal part of business every year[/QUOTE]It is normal to not only resign the qb that led the team to NFC championship game but telling your leading rusher take a pay cut or your gone?

If the Skins did this people would be losing their minds and questioning the front office.

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[quote=Dan73;1190501]It is normal to not only resign the qb that led the team to NFC championship game but telling your leading rusher take a pay cut or your gone?

If the Skins did this people would be losing their minds and questioning the front office.

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I'm just glad this is over, it's way past time to move on.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1190501]It is normal to not only resign the qb that led the team to NFC championship game but telling your leading rusher take a pay cut or your gone?

If the Skins did this people would be losing their minds and questioning the front office.

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Yes it’s normal to try to improve your team any way possible

Please dude the hate parade is beyond tired at this point

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[QUOTE=MTK;1190505]Yes it’s normal to try to improve your team any way possible

Please dude the hate parade is beyond tired at this point[/QUOTE]It is not hate to point out a team not only did not resign their qb that lead them to the NFC championship game but is asking their leading rusher to take a pay cut. All to sign a qb to the richest contract so far who is losing record against teams over 500.

If the Skins had signed Mo Wilkerson to crazy money and started cutting players I would be saying things exact same thing about the Skins.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1190515]It is not hate to point out a team not only did not resign their qb that lead them to the NFC championship game but is asking their leading rusher to take a pay cut. All to sign a qb to the richest contract so far who is losing record against teams over 500.

If the Skins had signed Mo Wilkerson to crazy money and started cutting players I would be saying things exact same thing about the Skins.

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They want Murray to take a cut because Cook is their main guy, not because they can’t afford Cousins

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So now Kirk finally gets to have the same experience that RG3 had when he first came to Washington.

Washington rolled out the red carpet for RG3.
Minnesota is rolling out the red carpet for Kirk.

RG3 was expected to be the difference maker. Now we finally have the QB that can take us to the top.
Kirk is now the difference maker for Minnesota. He will be the one that can finally get them to the top.

RG3 had an amazing college resume that shows he's the one that can do it.
Kirk has an amazing resume from Washington that shows he's the one that can do it.

RG3 always said the right things in public.
Kirk always says the right things in public.

RG3 got all the media attention.
Kirk is getting all the media attention, and since that's not enough he's creating his own.

At the time of RG3's signing, he had 100% potential.
At this time for Minnesota, Kirk has 100% potential.

At the time Washington took some big hits to get RG3.
Minnesota is taking some hits to get Kirk.

Kirk is finally getting the attention he deserves. In your face Snyder. Revenge is sweet. I hope he can back it up on the field.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1190521]So now Kirk finally gets to have the same experience that RG3 had when he first came to Washington.

Washington rolled out the red carpet for RG3.
Minnesota is rolling out the red carpet for Kirk.

RG3 was expected to be the difference maker. Now we finally have the QB that can take us to the top.
Kirk is now the difference maker for Minnesota. He will be the one that can finally get them to the top.

RG3 had an amazing college resume that shows he's the one that can do it.
Kirk has an amazing resume from Washington that shows he's the one that can do it.

RG3 always said the right things in public.
Kirk always says the right things in public.

RG3 got all the media attention.
Kirk is getting all the media attention, and since that's not enough he's creating his own.

At the time of RG3's signing, he had 100% potential.
At this time for Minnesota, Kirk has 100% potential.

At the time Washington took some big hits to get RG3.
Minnesota is taking some hits to get Kirk.

Kirk is finally getting the attention he deserves. In your face Snyder. Revenge is sweet. I hope he can back it up on the field.[/quote]



Why is Dan at fault here? I never understood linking Kirk's decision to Dan... I'm glad Dan didn't break the bank for Kirk... So why else would this be a stab at Dan?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1190489]You forgot to include this detail. Right from the get go.

He's a bit disingenuous with that statement. Our team had no other choice but to move on because he had no fucking intention of signing a long term deal with us. THAT is the big difference in the two "good byes". Yeah, he is a douche bag.[/quote]

I forgot nothing, just pointed out the conclusion of Cousin's goodbye.

What's disingenuous about what you quoted? Cousins calls a spade a spade.

The idiot Redskins front office had plenty of choices to sign Cousins. They chose to use the franchise tag until they priced Kirk out of reach, with the climbing value of the tag and the market value of QBs. That is completely on the front office.

Here's a good summary of what the Redskin FO did:

[url=http://www.theteam980.com/2018/01/05/cousins-interview/]Cousins Interview | The Team 980[/url]

The interview confirmed that Scot McCloughan was behind the team’s initial contract offer in late 2015. Cousins revealed that it happened before the Bears game in December of ’15. Cousins implied that McCloughan was smart and wanted to do it before the final few games of ’15 because he thought it was the right time to get a team-friendly deal. This is where the team’s initial offer was discussed. My understanding is that the initial offer/discussion in December of 2015 was for $12.5M per year. Cousins and his agent passed on the offer thinking that if he played well over the final few games and they were able to win the division the price would go much higher. Cousins played great down the stretch, the Skins won the division, and the price went up. According to reports at the time, when the season ended, the Redskins upped their offer to $16M per year/$24M guaranteed. This was an offer that was far short of Cousins’ market value especially after Brock Osweiler signed a deal for $18M per/$37M gtd in Houston. The reporting at the time was that Cousins would have signed a long-term deal at $19M per yr/$44M guaranteed. The Skins never came off the $16Mper/$24M gtd and hence, the first franchise tag was used. This was the moment the team must look back on and cringe. If they had ponied up and accepted the Cousins counter in early 2016, Cousins would currently be the 15th highest-paid QB in the league at $19M per year with still 3 years remaining on the contract. Not budging off the $16M/$24M led to the first tag and from the moment that first tag got slapped on Cousins, the ability to get a long-term deal was going to be more difficult, especially if he played well….and he did.

Numbers sure were low then compared to now, lol.

So the Redskins front office lowballed Cousins, dicked around for two years, and Cousins is at fault for trying to do right for himself, instead of just taking it?

Seriously, what do you think Cousins should have done? Keep in mind what offer the Skins didn't accept, and how the market value for QBs shot upwards recently.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190523]Why is Dan at fault here? I never understood linking Kirk's decision to Dan... I'm glad Dan didn't break the bank for Kirk... So why else would this be a stab at Dan?[/quote]

No one likes to be slighted or disrespected, and you don't forget it when you are.

I think Kirk thought that he was better than RG3 from day one. Hell Shannahan wanted Kirk.

Snyder was in RG3's jock from day one. Even when he sucked Snyder was still in his jock.

Then you have the Cleveland game, and Snyder ignores Kirks win.

That stuff can go deep.

It's no accident he came up with the phrase "You like that."

His whole experience in Washington was to prove everyone wrong. To prove he is the man.

He did it. He proved it. Kirk was all about Kirk to prove something. And he did it. That determination a lot of time helped the team and sometimes hurt the team.

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Alright Admins. I don't know about anybody else, but I'm ready for this thread to be locked and us to finally move on from Kirk Cousins. He's moved on. Let's put this in the past.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1190530]I forgot nothing, just pointed out the conclusion of Cousin's goodbye.

What's disingenuous about what you quoted? Cousins calls a spade a spade.

The idiot Redskins front office had plenty of choices to sign Cousins. They chose to use the franchise tag until they priced Kirk out of reach, with the climbing value of the tag and the market value of QBs. That is completely on the front office.

Here's a good summary of what the Redskin FO did:

[url=http://www.theteam980.com/2018/01/05/cousins-interview/]Cousins Interview | The Team 980[/url]

The interview confirmed that Scot McCloughan was behind the team’s initial contract offer in late 2015. Cousins revealed that it happened before the Bears game in December of ’15. Cousins implied that McCloughan was smart and wanted to do it before the final few games of ’15 because he thought it was the right time to get a team-friendly deal. This is where the team’s initial offer was discussed. My understanding is that the initial offer/discussion in December of 2015 was for $12.5M per year. Cousins and his agent passed on the offer thinking that if he played well over the final few games and they were able to win the division the price would go much higher. Cousins played great down the stretch, the Skins won the division, and the price went up. According to reports at the time, when the season ended, the Redskins upped their offer to $16M per year/$24M guaranteed. This was an offer that was far short of Cousins’ market value especially after Brock Osweiler signed a deal for $18M per/$37M gtd in Houston. The reporting at the time was that Cousins would have signed a long-term deal at $19M per yr/$44M guaranteed. The Skins never came off the $16Mper/$24M gtd and hence, the first franchise tag was used. This was the moment the team must look back on and cringe. If they had ponied up and accepted the Cousins counter in early 2016, Cousins would currently be the 15th highest-paid QB in the league at $19M per year with still 3 years remaining on the contract. Not budging off the $16M/$24M led to the first tag and from the moment that first tag got slapped on Cousins, the ability to get a long-term deal was going to be more difficult, especially if he played well….and he did.

Numbers sure were low then compared to now, lol.

So the Redskins front office lowballed Cousins, dicked around for two years, and Cousins is at fault for trying to do right for himself, instead of just taking it?

Seriously, what do you think Cousins should have done? Keep in mind what offer the Skins didn't accept, and how the market value for QBs shot upwards recently.[/quote]
Great post! +1

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[quote=rickmmrr;1190532]No one likes to be slighted or disrespected, and you don't forget it when you are.

I think Kirk thought that he was better than RG3 from day one. Hell Shannahan wanted Kirk.

Snyder was in RG3's jock from day one. Even when he sucked Snyder was still in his jock.

Then you have the Cleveland game, and Snyder ignores Kirks win.

That stuff can go deep.

It's no accident he came up with the phrase "You like that."

His whole experience in Washington was to prove everyone wrong. To prove he is the man.

He did it. He proved it. Kirk was all about Kirk to prove something. And he did it. That determination a lot of time helped the team and sometimes hurt the team.[/quote]


Here's the thing, if I am not selected before another QB because that other QB was by far a better athlete, I can't be too mad. The fact the team even drafted him and took many shots from the media to do so says enough. The skins liked Kirk and IMO treated him just fine until the KURT comment

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190538]Here's the thing, if I am not selected before another QB because that other QB was by far a better athlete, I can't be too mad. The fact the team even drafted him and took many shots from the media to do so says enough. The skins liked Kirk and IMO treated him just fine until the KURT comment[/quote]

I admit I'm building a case with incomplete information. So it's just my two cents and something to talk about during the offseason.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1190541]I admit I'm building a case with incomplete information. So it's just my two cents and something to talk about during the offseason.[/quote]

That's what we all do man lol

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1190523]Why is Dan at fault here? I never understood linking Kirk's decision to Dan... I'm glad Dan didn't break the bank for Kirk... So why else would this be a stab at Dan?[/QUOTE]There is a segment of the fan base especially those who feed on the local media who will hate Snyder and Allen no matter what.

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Please close this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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closed.

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[quote=Meks;1190567]closed.[/quote]

I see what you did there!:)

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Looking at contracts comparing Cousins to Stafford to Garoppolo, I'm starting to wonder if Cousins took a notable pay cut to be a Viking. Considering at one point this offseason, estimates of 30mil+ per year was speculated, just from the demand for good QBs.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1190702]Looking at contracts comparing Cousins to Stafford to Garoppolo, I'm starting to wonder if Cousins took a notable pay cut to be a Viking. Considering at one point this offseason, estimates of 30mil+ per year was speculated, just from the demand for good QBs.[/quote]

I expected it to be 3 years 90 mil, so my reasoning for ending up with 84 mil is that he took a pay cut so the Vikings can still make moves. Could he have gotten 30 mil? Sure, prob from the Jets. But it stands to reason he can earn more in the future by playing good with the Vikings for the next 3 years.

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Of course he could have gotten more if he played the Jets against the Vikings. He clearly wanted to get to Minnesota.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190523]Why is Dan at fault here? I never understood linking Kirk's decision to Dan... I'm glad Dan didn't break the bank for Kirk... So why else would this be a stab at Dan?[/quote]

Did you forget how Dan gave RG3 the keys to the city with all the perks him & his family got other players did not get? Then he meddled when Shanny wanted to move on from RG3 to Kirk. Kind of like your grandma telling you your brother is her favorite grandchild and not you. Snyder poisoned the well for Kirk in the beginning.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1190761]Did you forget how Dan gave RG3 the keys to the city with all the perks him & his family got other players did not get? Then he meddled when Shanny wanted to move on from RG3 to Kirk. Kind of like your grandma telling you your brother is her favorite grandchild and not you. Snyder poisoned the well for Kirk in the beginning.[/quote]

Did you forget that RG3 was the 2nd overall pick, and that he (with the Shanahans) led the team to it's first division win in 13 years?

The old qb either had a thin skin, or was in desparate need of outside approval (see his twitter post asking fans to help him decide where to go).

Note, he still hasn't actually signed with Minnesota, and insisted on being wined and dined last night like a diva.

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We're literally never moving on from Kirk Cousins.

I'm about to start a Shane Matthews thread.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1190762]Did you forget that RG3 was the 2nd overall pick, and that he (with the Shanahans) led the team to it's first division win in 13 years?



The old qb either had a thin skin, or was in desparate need of outside approval (see his twitter post asking fans to help him decide where to go).



Note, he still hasn't actually signed with Minnesota, and insisted on being wined and dined last night like a diva.[/QUOTE]


Call me old fashioned but I don’t see what’s wrong with actually meeting your new employer and seeing where you’ll be working the next 3 years before you sign. Same for the Vikings actually getting to sit down with a guy they’re going to pay $84m to.

Granted it’s all a formality more than anything, but some would argue the Texans wish they had met with Osweiler before they signed him, they may have went in a different direction if they had.

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[quote=MTK;1190769]Call me old fashioned but I don’t see what’s wrong with actually meeting your new employer and seeing where you’ll be working the next 3 years before you sign. Same for the Vikings actually getting to sit down with a guy they’re going to pay $84m to.

Granted it’s all a formality more than anything, but word is the Texans wish they had met with Osweiler before they signed him, they may have went in a different direction if they had.[/quote]

I get that, and I don't think it's particularly egregious in fact we did it with Norman, and probably DJax. It counts towards being "wanted".

By the same token, you can't hammer - imo - the FO for not wining and dining a 4th round pick who eventually won the job because the vaunted draft pick became a bust.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1190762]Did you forget that RG3 was the 2nd overall pick, and that he (with the Shanahans) led the team to it's first division win in 13 years?

The old qb either had a thin skin, or was in desparate need of outside approval (see his twitter post asking fans to help him decide where to go).

Note, he still hasn't actually signed with Minnesota, and insisted on being wined and dined last night like a diva.[/quote]

Research what happened to Alex Smith in San Francisco if you don't know all the details. Alex Smith had about as bad a time as any highly drafted QB could have had, yet never uttered an unkind word and was the perfect teammate and team player. Alex Smith has very thick skin and is the exception to the rule. Unlike Alex I believe Kirk is either normal or a little thin skinned. I admire Alex, but hold no grudge against Kirk.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1190771]Research what happened to Alex Smith in San Francisco if you don't know all the details. Alex Smith had about as bad a time as any highly drafted QB could have had, yet never uttered an unkind word and was the perfect teammate and team player. Alex Smith has very thick skin and is the exception to the rule. Unlike Alex I believe Kirk is either normal or a little thin skinned. I admire Alex, but hold no grudge against Kirk.[/QUOTE]You kind of make my point. The NFL is a business, AS has every reason to feel slighted by his previous teams' FO, and didn't hold either hostage or play dumb about how the split ups went down. The old qb, not so much.

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Kirk thanked the Vikings.. But did not thank the Redskins organization...

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Fuck Kirk and close this thread. Shit no other non Skins player gets their own thread.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1190819]Kirk thanked the Vikings.. But did not thank the Redskins organization...[/QUOTE]I heard a bit. It sounded like he was given a softball question to praise the OL and didn't. Seems like at the least he could have mentioned Trent Williams. C'est la guerre.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1190822]I heard a bit. It sounded like he was given a softball question to praise the OL and didn't. Seems like at the least he could have mentioned Trent Williams. C'est la guerre.[/quote]

Yeah I also noticed that... Douche move but glad its over and yes lets close this one Matt

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190819]Kirk thanked the Vikings.. But did not thank the Redskins organization...[/quote]

Yes, he did...............

[url]https://kirkcousins.org/blogs/blog/thank-you-washington[/url]