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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1195214][SIZE="7"][B][FONT="Arial Black"]STOP playing the god damn national anthem at games.









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Flag huggers would go apeshit if you took away their anthem! Might as well piss in the face of the troops while you’re at it.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1195226]Flag huggers would go apeshit if you took away their anthem! Might as well piss in the face of the troops while you’re at it.[/QUOTE]



Even though it has been a tradition for about 9 minutes. Lol. Said it once n ill say it again. Not one of those tough guy true blue afraid of their own shadow wanna be soldier fake ass patriots stands up when the song comes on at home. It is just some show they put on when they are showing off their bald eagle tattoos at a game. But that is what happens when a fake bonespur cowardly draft dodger becomes the spokesperson for Murica. No offense to anyone with a bald eagle tattoo. [emoji51] You arent all fake ass patriots.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1195223]I said AT GAMES. Nationalism should have nothing to do with our sporting events.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. Might as well have different sections for all of the religions too. How bout a church a temple and a mosque just in case you get the hankering for some prayer time. Whatever happened to watching a fucking football game.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1195223]I said AT GAMES. Nationalism should have nothing to do with our sporting events.[/quote]

I know you said at games but if you think it would stop at just that then you'ed be wrong.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195224]Well the anthem is 80 years old and the pledge is 65ish. Lets not make it sound like they were around at the time the constitution was written.[/quote]

The pledge........


[url=http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm]The Pledge of Allegiance[/url]


The Star Spangled Banner.............

[url]https://www.history.com/news/why-the-star-spangled-banner-is-played-at-sporting-events[/url]

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Yeah I am an old Flag hugging fart but I don't get the big deal the players want to kneel let them ,kind of like a kid throwing a tantrum....they will tire of it after a while if you ignore them.

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I love our flag, our national anthem, and our pledge of allegiance. To me, they represent the commitment of each and every one of us to stay united as we work toward the ideals expressed in our great founding documents. Again, it represents our ideals as a nation and not necessarily the realities of our daily lives.

It does not offend me that a man would quietly kneel with his head bowed during our anthem to bring our attention to something in our society that he believes is very wrong. I don't consider that to be disrespectful because he is not disrupting the pledge of those around him. I think of it as his calling our attention to his belief that we are falling far short of our ideals in a very serious way that needs our immediate attention as a nation.

More than that, he believes that it is an emergency. He believes that people are being killed because there are still racial barriers in our nation. As united Americans, we need to try to fix our racial problems now as we move closer to realizing our ideals.

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I love the blow back of Make America Great Again. The left reply has been this entire country is offensive and sux. The pledge, the flag, the star spangle banner, and nationalism in general is under attack.

But this fact remains true, we are the best, most dominant country in the world since the industrial revolution and that is only because of the people who built it. If you want to cry and complain, do so but you know deep down there is no better place in the world but here. Enjoy your day!!!

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I don't do politics, I honestly don't even vote so this whole thing is beyond old.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195241]I don't do politics, I honestly don't even vote so this whole thing is beyond old.[/quote]

Man you are missing out...embrace your bubble. Let go of independent thought and context. Let go of facts or only the chose the ones you like. Don't think, but feel. Set your sensitive level to 11 and go out seeking to be offended. Its great.

/sarcasm

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[quote=Chico23231;1195240]I love the blow back of Make America Great Again. The left reply has been this entire country is offensive and sux. The pledge, the flag, the star spangle banner, and nationalism in general is under attack.

But this fact remains true, we are the best, most dominant country in the world since the industrial revolution and that is only because of the people who built it. If you want to cry and complain, do so but you know deep down there is no better place in the world but here. Enjoy your day!!![/quote]

Let’s take it a little easy on the “we are best” thing. There are lots of important things we are not best at. Health care, education, condition of infrastructure are among many examples where we are certainly not leaders. As an example, infant mortality rates are the highest in this country of all developed nations, higher even than Cuba, for god’s sake.

So take it a little easier when you pound your chest.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1195236]Yeah I am an old Flag hugging fart but I don't get the big deal the players want to kneel let them ,kind of like a kid throwing a tantrum....they will tire of it after a while if you ignore them.[/QUOTE]



Or it is kind of like a black man protesting racial inequality until we stop ignoring it. [emoji849]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195240]I love the blow back of Make America Great Again. The left reply has been this entire country is offensive and sux. The pledge, the flag, the star spangle banner, and nationalism in general is under attack.



But this fact remains true, we are the best, most dominant country in the world since the industrial revolution and that is only because of the people who built it. If you want to cry and complain, do so but you know deep down there is no better place in the world but here. Enjoy your day!!![/QUOTE]



LOL. Here goes Chico writing his own narratives again. Put down the bong man.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1195244]Let’s take it a little easy on the “we are best” thing. There are lots of important things we are not best at. Health care, education, condition of infrastructure are among many examples where we are certainly not leaders. As an example, infant mortality rates are the highest in this country of all developed nations, higher even than Cuba, for god’s sake.

So take it a little easier when you pound your chest.[/quote]

I agree with education, which I think has been the most avoided issue in the country for 25 years. But still, higher education we still issue a ton of Student Visas per year for folks who want to come here and study. The cost is insane for higher education.

The infant mortality...I honestly had to look back but clearly remember this stat around 5 years ago because this was a favorite of folks who favor socialized healthcare. The problem with those rankings is the scope/criteria is not consistent in world wide reporting. Cuba isn't a reliable comparison...its Cuba.

I still have us ranked #1 in the world though...woot woot.

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[quote=MTK;1195226]Flag huggers would go apeshit if you took away their anthem! Might as well piss in the face of the troops while you’re at it.[/quote]

So, it's not your anthem?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195251]I agree with education, which I think has been the most avoided issue in the country for 25 years. But still, higher education we still issue a ton of Student Visas per year for folks who want to come here and study. The cost is insane for higher education.



The infant mortality...I honestly had to look back but clearly remember this stat around 5 years ago because this was a favorite of folks who favor socialized healthcare. The problem with those rankings is the scope/criteria is not consistent in world wide reporting. Cuba isn't a reliable comparison...its Cuba.



I still have us ranked #1 in the world though...woot woot.[/QUOTE]



You obviously haven’t done much traveling. Lol

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so i'm confused over the whole disrespecting the flag part . . . i've always been under the impression that kneeling or genuflecting to something is one of the highest forms of respect there is . . . so how Kaepernick kneeling with his hand over his heart disrespecting anything? If you go to church and stand when you should be kneeling . . . that is disrespect, not the other way around.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1195264]so i'm confused over the whole disrespecting the flag part . . . i've always been under the impression that kneeling or genuflecting to something is one of the highest forms of respect there is . . . so how Kaepernick kneeling with his hand over his heart disrespecting anything? If you go to church and stand when you should be kneeling . . . that is disrespect, not the other way around.[/quote]

I don't believe Kaepernick was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart.

[IMG]http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/ybfchic/October%202017%20Part%202/colinknee.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1195269]I don't believe Kaepernick was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart.



[IMG]http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/ybfchic/October%202017%20Part%202/colinknee.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]



Just out of curiosity do you stand with ur hand over ur heart when the song comes on your television? Do you know that it was a veteran that told Kaep instead of sitting the correct thing to do is kneel if you are protesting? Lastly and most importantly do u know that Kaep is in no way protesting our flag, our military, or some song the NFL has been playing before games for like ten years? This is all some spin that donny trump (who ducked fighting for his country more than once ) is spouting out of his pie hole to rile up his base for political purposes.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195251]I agree with education, which I think has been the most avoided issue in the country for 25 years. But still, higher education we still issue a ton of Student Visas per year for folks who want to come here and study. The cost is insane for higher education.

The infant mortality...I honestly had to look back but clearly remember this stat around 5 years ago because this was a favorite of folks who favor socialized healthcare. The problem with those rankings is the scope/criteria is not consistent in world wide reporting. Cuba isn't a reliable comparison...its Cuba.

I still have us ranked #1 in the world though...woot woot.[/quote]

Facts do speak for themselves, and there is no arguing that we are dead last among developed countries in infant mortality. Your reply about inconsistent reporting is pure made up BS, sorry. And yes, even lowly Cuba has better statistics here, primarily because they have more consistent free post natal care. We have a shameful record on health care in general, but it’s truly horrific when our poor have to withhold needed medical treatment from our kids for financial reasons.

And that’s all I have to say about that...

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[quote=metalskins;1195269]I don't believe Kaepernick was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart.

[IMG]http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/ybfchic/October%202017%20Part%202/colinknee.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Actually his left hand might be close. Lol.

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The anthem controversy has to be the dumbest controversy since whenever and I am a Trump supporter.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1195275]Facts do speak for themselves, and there is no arguing that we are dead last among developed countries in infant mortality. [B]Your reply about inconsistent reporting is pure made up BS, sorry. And yes, even lowly Cuba has better statistics here, primarily because they have more consistent free post natal care[/B]. We have a shameful record on health care in general, but it’s truly horrific when our poor have to withhold needed medical treatment from our kids for financial reasons.

And that’s all I have to say about that...[/quote]

What I meant for scope/criteria is essentially measurement of infant mortality and how countries define it. The method of calculating IMR often varies widely between countries, and is based on how they define a live birth and how many premature infants are born in the country. Reporting of infant mortality rates can be inconsistent, and may be understated, depending on a nation's live birth criterion, vital registration system, and reporting practices. Differences in measurement could play a substantial role in the disparity between the US and other nations. A non-viable live birth in the US could be registered as a stillbirth in similarly developed nations like Japan, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, the Netherlands, and France – thereby reducing the infant death count.

And Cuba touts its Healthcare as much as it does its literacy rates...these IMR measurements are government control. I really hope you wouldn't want you or your partner to feel more safe having a child in Cuba...I wouldn't.

Not saying there isn't a problem and we cant improve, but we doing aight. Ill give our Infant mortality rate a half-chest pound with a subtle "'Murica". Thanks for pushing me to know the issue a little more.

#offseason

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[quote=Chico23231;1195278]What I meant for scope/criteria is essentially measurement of infant mortality and how countries define it. The method of calculating IMR often varies widely between countries, and is based on how they define a live birth and how many premature infants are born in the country. Reporting of infant mortality rates can be inconsistent, and may be understated, depending on a nation's live birth criterion, vital registration system, and reporting practices. Differences in measurement could play a substantial role in the disparity between the US and other nations. A non-viable live birth in the US could be registered as a stillbirth in similarly developed nations like Japan, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, the Netherlands, and France – thereby reducing the infant death count.

And Cuba touts its Healthcare as much as it does its literacy rates...these IMR measurements are government control. I really hope you wouldn't want you or your partner to feel more safe having a child in Cuba...I wouldn't.

Not saying there isn't a problem and we cant improve, but we doing aight. Ill give our Infant mortality rate a half-chest pound with a subtle "'Murica". Thanks for pushing me to know the issue a little more.

#offseason[/quote]

Thanks for a reasoned response. The off season is getting very, very long...

Now back to our regularly scheduled football talk. HTTR. And I don’t exactly know how, but my heart says the Redkins will make the playoffs. And when they do, watch out, anything is possible. (Channeling my Cap’s here)

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195277]The anthem controversy has to be the dumbest controversy since whenever and I am a Trump supporter.[/QUOTE]


Couldn’t agree more, but it’s not going anywhere as long as your boy is in office. Just one of the ways he loves to play to his base.

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[quote=MTK;1195283]Couldn’t agree more, but it’s not going anywhere as long as your boy is in office. Just one of the ways he loves to play to his base.[/quote]

I'm leaving this comment alone.

Bite thy tongue.

Save my comments for games.

(Self-coaching right now)

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[QUOTE=MTK;1195283]Couldn’t agree more, but it’s not going anywhere as long as your boy is in office. Just one of the ways he loves to play to his base.[/QUOTE]



Yup. Its called deflection. Couldn’t serve his country even though he was asked to do so in Vietnam. Couldn’t pay taxes. But boy can he put a spin on a peaceful protest against racial discrimination and call out football players for kneeling during a song. Hypocrite isn’t nearly strong enough a word for this clown.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195241]I don't do politics, I honestly don't even vote so this whole thing is beyond old.[/quote]

Neither do I, it is a complete waste of time to me. Like I say and have heard Shannon Sharpe say "Nothing is all and nothing is every." Just because you feel some way about something doesn't mean I will.

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[quote=punch it in;1195274]Just out of curiosity do you stand with ur hand over ur heart when the song comes on your television?[/quote]

Yes. *your

[quote=punch it in;1195274]Do you know that it was a veteran that told Kaep instead of sitting the correct thing to do is kneel if you are protesting?[/quote]

Yes. He was simply sitting during the NA before he was told to at least be somewhat respectful and take a knee.


[quote=punch it in;1195274]Lastly and most importantly do u know that Kaep is in no way protesting our flag, our military, or some song the NFL has been playing before games for like ten years? This is all some spin that donny trump (who ducked fighting for his country more than once ) is spouting out of his pie hole to rile up his base for political purposes.[/quote]

I know what he's protesting.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1195276]Actually his left hand might be close. Lol.[/quote]

LOL! Closer to his stomach. He also looks bored.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1195310]Yes. *your







Yes. He was simply sitting during the NA before he was told to at least be somewhat respectful and take a knee.









I know what he's protesting.[/QUOTE]



Gonna call complete BS on the fact that you stand with UR hand over UR heart when the anthem comes on and UR home alone.

If you know what he is protesting than why are you so up in arms about it? If UR answer is going to be because a black gang member held UR ass and somehow that makes all black people thugs than please spare me UR response.

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[quote=punch it in;1195319]Gonna call complete BS on the fact that you stand with UR hand over UR heart when the anthem comes on and UR home alone.[/quote]

OK, I see how it is. You piss and moan for being judged by your skin, but you think it's OK to call me a liar? You are a hypocrite.


[quote=punch it in;1195319]If you know what he is protesting than why are you so up in arms about it? If UR answer is going to be because a black gang member held UR ass and somehow that makes all black people thugs than please spare me UR response.[/quote]

I'm not. I don't give a crap about Kapernick. I was answering someone else who said he was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart, and with all the pictures I've seen, I haven't seen this to be true. He also didn't look very interested in the photos, but I will say I've seen him on TV, during the NA, and he didn't appear to be wanting to honor the NA at all. I think this is pretty logical when he was sitting on the bench prior to a vet telling him that it was more honorable to kneel during the anthem. And I've probably said it before, but I've never really had an issue with the kneeling. But then again, you probably wouldn't have picked up on that since you're in full force, racist mode in trying to prove I'm an evil whitey.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1195323]OK, I see how it is. You piss and moan for being judged by your skin, but you think it's OK to call me a liar? You are a hypocrite.









I'm not. I don't give a crap about Kapernick. I was answering someone else who said he was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart, and with all the pictures I've seen, I haven't seen this to be true. He also didn't look very interested in the photos, but I will say I've seen him on TV, during the NA, and he didn't appear to be wanting to honor the NA at all. I think this is pretty logical when he was sitting on the bench prior to a vet telling him that it was more honorable to kneel during the anthem. And I've probably said it before, but I've never really had an issue with the kneeling. But then again, you probably wouldn't have picked up on that since you're in full force, racist mode in trying to prove I'm an evil whitey.[/QUOTE]



What color skin do u think i have out of curiosity? Lol. Im referring to the post u made previously when u claimed that white privilege was a farce based on the fact that u were held up by a black gang member- COMPLETELY making it seem as if people of other color do not commit violent crimes. LMAO. Go back and read it for yourself- I wasn’t the only one that was smelling racist over tones in that post.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1195086]I had no idea being held at gun point and my life threatened by a black gang for nothing more than sport was white privilege. Who knew?[/QUOTE]



Here you go. Explain how this does not smell of racism? You are arguing with others who posted about white privilege, doubting that it is a thing, by pointing out the bad actions of a few black people. As if their actions speak for their race.
If you truly are not racist, and truly do not believe that than i would only suggest that you think carefully about what you say to people who really do not know anything about you other than you are a skins fan and probably a metal head. Lol.
But do not accuse me of playing the race card for no reason.

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[quote=punch it in;1195293]Yup. Its called deflection. Couldn’t serve his country even though he was asked to do so in Vietnam. Couldn’t pay taxes. But boy can he put a spin on a peaceful protest against racial discrimination and call out football players for kneeling during a song. Hypocrite isn’t nearly strong enough a word for this clown.[/quote]

Couldn't? lol . . . he could have just fine, he chose not to . . . you know, a draft dodger

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[quote=metalskins;1195323]OK, I see how it is. You piss and moan for being judged by your skin, but you think it's OK to call me a liar? You are a hypocrite.




I'm not. I don't give a crap about Kapernick. I was answering someone else who said he was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart, and with all the pictures I've seen, I haven't seen this to be true. He also didn't look very interested in the photos, but I will say I've seen him on TV, during the NA, and he didn't appear to be wanting to honor the NA at all. I think this is pretty logical when he was sitting on the bench prior to a vet telling him that it was more honorable to kneel during the anthem. And I've probably said it before, but I've never really had an issue with the kneeling. But then again, you probably wouldn't have picked up on that since you're in full force, racist mode in trying to prove I'm an evil whitey.[/quote]

i have seen both with or without the hand . . . but either way, kneeling in and of itself IS a SHOW OF RESPECT

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[quote=punch it in;1195325]What color skin do u think i have out of curiosity? Lol. Im referring to the post u made previously when u claimed that white privilege was a farce based on the fact that u were held up by a black gang member- COMPLETELY making it seem as if people of other color do not commit violent crimes. LMAO. Go back and read it for yourself- I wasn’t the only one that was smelling racist over tones in that post.[/quote]

Is that what you got out of that post? LOL! You need mental help or a slap across the face. Which ever is more effective.

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[quote=punch it in;1195326]Here you go. Explain how this does not smell of racism? You are arguing with others who posted about white privilege, doubting that it is a thing, by pointing out the bad actions of a few black people. As if their actions speak for their race.
If you truly are not racist, and truly do not believe that than i would only suggest that you think carefully about what you say to people who really do not know anything about you other than you are a skins fan and probably a metal head. Lol.
But do not accuse me of playing the race card for no reason.[/quote]

Maybe you should take your on advice. I'm not the only one on the board of whom you've had these arguments with. You're the common denominator. And once the conversation doesn't go your way, you start calling people racist. It's a weak argument.

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Want to talk about a racist white dude (towards his own race).

Nothing to do with anthem but down the rabbit hole where this thread is turning.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/07/professor-banned-from-restaurant-for-profanity-laced-rant-against-white-children-university-investigating.html]Professor banned from restaurant for profanity-laced rant against white children, university investigating | Fox News[/url]

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1195331]Is that what you got out of that post? LOL! You need mental help or a slap across the face. Which ever is more effective.[/QUOTE]



Right because bringing up a black crime in defense of your denial of white privilege isnt racist. And slow ur roll with the slap talk tough guy.