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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1198670]The positives tonight....

* Always #1 - Tress Way

Jokes aside....
[B]* No injuries!
* AP
* Paul Richardson
* Lanier, Taylor, Settle
* Moreau[/B]

* Hogan & Bibbs look great, bit in garage time.[/quote]

Agreed, would add the 1st string OL in there... And have to check if I had my burgundy and gold glasses on when looking at Payne and Allen or not...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198672]Agreed, would add the 1st string OL in there... And have to check if I had my burgundy and gold glasses on when looking at Payne and Allen or not...[/quote]

I'm with you in the o-line...

Just hard for me to say Payne/Allen were even decent when we got gashed so badly in the run game, especially right through the middle of line and not on sweeps or tosses to the outside, all first half... Definitely weren't stuffing runs at the line or behind it

But remember too... Our run game looked good to start last year too when our line was healthy... It does look like a positive going in if they can stay healthy!

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I'm glad THATs over! Dominated. Not good.

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Checked out the AP highlights of the game and he looked pretty good. Looks like the old man might have enough left to get us through this season. Please stay healthy.


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It's impossible to go out and not see scores. Parents are in town so we went out to dinner, glanced at TV and sure as shit, saw the score. Probably a good thing. The only pre season game that typically holds any significance for the starters and rotational players and we get whipped at home. That aboy Gruden! Got em ready to play.

I saw that we actually converted a 4th and short with AP though. Super Bowl champions!!

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1198673]I'm with you in the o-line...

Just hard for me to say Payne/Allen were even decent when we got gashed so badly in the run game, especially right through the middle of line and not on sweeps or tosses to the outside, all first half... [U]Definitely weren't stuffing runs at the line [B]or behind it[/B][/U]

But remember too... Our run game looked good to start last year too when our line was healthy... It does look like a positive going in if they can stay healthy![/quote]

To me this is key, re-watched the 1st half (condensed version, only the plays, snap to whistle) , I think Payne and Allen pushed the pocket well, drove their guys back in the run game, split double teams... but our LBs were out of position, and both LBs and DBs missed tackles...

Apart from a batted ball by Mason Foster, him and Vigil (who I both usually like quite a lot) really had an awful game!

Another thing I didn't notice among positives ones: #82 TE JP Holtz continues to play well at FB! With Elijah Wellman on IR, that is an appreciated surprise.

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This is when I really miss the Cooley breakdown.

I'm curious to see his take. I really wonder if Denver was vanilla on O and D, or game planned like the Ravens did against us a few years ago in pre-season.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198677]Another thing I didn't notice among positives ones: #82 TE JP Holtz continues to play well at FB! With Elijah Wellman on IR, that is an appreciated surprise.[/quote]

Yea, that dude just makes blocks. I don't think the numbers work out for a roster spot but darn, he is the best blocker at FB in a few years.

I like the implications of having a FB on the roster. Maybe the vaunted Gruden/Callahan run scheme is going to be overhauled (I doubt it).

I still don't understand Gruden's lack of run game, he is plenty smart enough to figure it out, and it just seems more stubborn than anything.

I know he wants the run plays to "look" a certain way for play action but geez, it is insanity to do the same thing over and over and expect different results.

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I wonder if J.P. Holtz might surprise and make the team as a FB. I know it sounds wacky that he might make it but I think we need a FB for short yardage plays. Perhaps Jay Gruden does, too.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1198679]This is when I really miss the Cooley breakdown.

I'm curious to see his take. I really wonder if Denver was vanilla on O and D, or game planned like the Ravens did against us a few years ago in pre-season.[/QUOTE]You HAD to remember us how miserable and empty our lives now are, didn't you?!

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That was a pretty terrible performance aside from AP and a few others. I get the feeling we're in for another slow start.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1198680]Yea, that dude just makes blocks. I don't think the numbers work out for a roster spot but darn, he is the best blocker at FB in a few years.

I like the implications of having a FB on the roster. Maybe the vaunted Gruden/Callahan run scheme is going to be overhauled (I doubt it).

I still don't understand Gruden's lack of run game, he is plenty smart enough to figure it out, and it just seems more stubborn than anything.

I know he wants the run plays to "look" a certain way for play action but geez, it is insanity to do the same thing over and over and expect different results.[/quote]

I think sometimes a lot of coaches just make it harder than in needs to be. If you can't run the ball it would probably make sense to have a pure fullback on the roster. He could not only be a fullback but play on all the teams stuff. Pretty simple stuff.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1198688]I think sometimes a lot of coaches just make it harder than in needs to be. If you can't run the ball [B]it would probably make sense to have a pure fullback on the roster[/B]. He could not only be a fullback but play on all the teams stuff. Pretty simple stuff.[/quote]

We signed Elijah Wellman who played well.

Before he got sent to IR. FORFL [SIZE="1"](=Fuck Our Redskins Fans' Lives)[/SIZE].

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After reviewing the game, Defense was so bad all around, DJ missed tackles and missed coverage assignments. Payne is the real deal, Brown was out so that made an impact. Offense was vanilla , looked like a PS Week 1 game.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1198700]After reviewing the game, Defense was so bad all around, [B]DJ missed tackles and missed coverage assignments[/B]. Payne is the real deal, Brown was out so that made an impact. Offense was vanilla , looked like a PS Week 1 game.[/quote]

This worries me a bit, last season he brought a new dynamic to this D. It's pre season, but we have a young and exciting DB squad, so I don't like the defacto leader of our secondary playing sloppy...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198704]This worries me a bit, last season he brought a new dynamic to this D. It's pre season, but we have a young and exciting DB squad, so I don't like the defacto leader of our secondary playing sloppy...[/quote]

DJ has not looked good. As a group, our DB's and LB's have missed a lot of tackles this preseason. A couple of times, they were just plain run over in the hole. That's a bit worrisome.

Also, our OL reserves have looked like pure trash. I truly feared a serious injury to Colt McCoy behind that group. At least, we know that Nseke can play. It is also a near certainty that they'll keep the rookie tackle even though he has a long way to go. Beyond that, I won't miss anyone they decide to cut. I'm hoping we'll pick up a decent, experienced interior OL when teams make their final roster cuts.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1198705]DJ has not looked good. As a group, our DB's and LB's have missed a lot of tackles this preseason. A couple of times, they were just plain run over in the hole. That's a bit worrisome.

Also, our OL reserves have looked like pure trash. I truly feared a serious injury to Colt McCoy behind that group. At least, we know that Nseke can play. It is also a near certainty that they'll keep the rookie tackle even though he has a long way to go. Beyond that, I won't miss anyone they decide to cut. I'm hoping we'll pick up a decent, experienced interior OL when teams make their final roster cuts.[/QUOTE]OL depth is an issue. I've watched a bit of Jordan Mailata during the preseason, he's raw, but man his physical abilities make up for it big time! He also seems to be putting in a lot of work: he started learning the rudiments of football a few months ago and he already has a solid kick step!

We've shown interest in him, so while the Eagles are more and more likely to keep him in the 53, if they don't I hope we keep him up! He's learning to play tackle but he's a freak of nature so I guess you could line him up anywhere...

In any case I do hope our FO is watching tape on back ups OL...

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The plan is to win now, so i think a player who is raw is not the answer for us on the OL. I'm talking about picking up a proven veteran to backup the Center and Guard positions.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1198709]The plan is to win now, so i think a player who is raw is not the answer for us on the OL. I'm talking about picking up a proven veteran to backup the Center and Guard positions.[/QUOTE]We clearly need that. Just saying, if he's available, I'd take the chance. Anyway apart from the starters and Nsekhe I don't know who we want to keep in that squad...
So we can cut and then sign several back up Olinemen. Right now watching tape I'd take Mailata over Geron Christian.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1198709]The plan is to win now, so i think a player who is raw is not the answer for us on the OL. I'm talking about picking up a proven veteran to backup the Center and Guard positions.[/quote]

a solid LG please!