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[quote=httr198020;1207426]I wouldn't say that getting gashed for 500 yards is exactly shutting a team down. We did force some turnovers which was great. But still the Bucs was in the redzone 5 times. The only difference between the Bucs game and the Saints and Falcons games were the turnovers. If it wasn't for those lucky turnovers we would have got destroyed. Offense went up against the worse defense in the nfl and still couldn't score over 20 points. There is nothing at all impressive about this team. I don't care what any of you say. This team is not good. The stats show that are in the middle of the pack when it comes to defense. We are at the bottom of the league on the offensive side of the ball. Our coaches are below average. Nobody takes this team seriously even at 6-3.[/quote]

There are many experts that don't take this team seriously, however I think our D is the best it's been in many, many years and are young. The O hasn't really clicked yet, injuries to the RB's, OL, WR don't help. I've been critical of Alex Smith but will give him a chance this year, if he plays like this next year then I'll be ripping him like you and Punch. My beef has been the inconsistency, hopefully with experience and determination can be resolved.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1207425]Of course I would have taken 6-3. Im happy as hell we are in the convo front and center in late November. Im simply giving my opinion on what I think this team is actually capable of going forward. Sorry it is not as rosy as yours. We beat Houston and I will feel a whole lot better about our potential going forward Ill tell you that much.[/QUOTE]


We beat Houston and I guarantee you’ll find something to be unhappy about, then it will be if we beat Dallas, if we beat Philly, etc

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[QUOTE=MTK;1207428]We beat Houston and I guarantee you’ll find something to be unhappy about, then it will be if we beat Dallas, if we beat Philly, etc[/QUOTE]



Yeah you know me. Mr unhappy about winning guy. [emoji849]
Sorry I think Alex Smith and Jay Gruden stink.
It is funny all the recent talk about ES and you are suddenly going to police this place for people saying bad things about the redskins? Really?

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[quote=httr198020;1207426]I wouldn't say that getting gashed for 500 yards is exactly shutting a team down. We did force some turnovers which was great. But still the Bucs was in the redzone 5 times. The only difference between the Bucs game and the Saints and Falcons games were the turnovers. If it wasn't for those lucky turnovers we would have got destroyed. Offense went up against the worse defense in the nfl and still couldn't score over 20 points. There is nothing at all impressive about this team. I don't care what any of you say. This team is not good. The stats show that are in the middle of the pack when it comes to defense. We are at the bottom of the league on the offensive side of the ball. Our coaches are below average. Nobody takes this team seriously even at 6-3.[/quote]

The ultimate goal of a defense is to not allow points. Giving up just 3 points is impressive no matter how it happens. I'd guarantee you Houston is not taking this game lightly.

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[quote=punch it in;1207429]Yeah you know me. Mr unhappy about winning guy. [emoji849]
Sorry I think Alex Smith and Jay Gruden stink.
It is funny all the recent talk about ES and you are suddenly going to police this place for people saying bad things about the redskins? Really?[/quote]

Voicing my opinion is policing?? Really?

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[quote=MTK;1207424]If you knew back in August we would be 6-3 right now you would have been fucking elated. Because it’s not a “pretty” 6-3 you’re looking for every excuse to discount it. As the saying goes you are what your record says you are. Relax and enjoy it.[/quote] There is a reason nobody is taken this team serious even after starting 6-3. We got a sorry ass, old ass qb that we stuck with for the next 3 years. That doesn't inspire any confidence in the short or long term. Our offense as a whole is ranked close to the bottom of the league. Which is pitiful due to the fact that Jay Gruden has been here for five years. Second our defense is not the world beaters that you seem to think they are. Have they improved? Yes, we have. Are we good? Yes, we are. Are we a legitimate top ten defense? No, we are not. I think that defensive line is elite. Our ILB are average. Mason Foster is slow as hell. Our secondary is average. That is why we've gotten killed over the last two weeks in the passing game. Nobody respect us because we're not all that good. The fans are not showing up for the games because deep down they know we suck. Deep you know that everything I'm saying is true.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1207426]I wouldn't say that getting gashed for 500 yards is exactly shutting a team down. We did force some turnovers which was great. But still the Bucs was in the redzone 5 times. The only difference between the Bucs game and the Saints and Falcons games were the turnovers. If it wasn't for those lucky turnovers we would have got destroyed. Offense went up against the worse defense in the nfl and still couldn't score over 20 points. There is nothing at all impressive about this team. I don't care what any of you say. This team is not good. The stats show that are in the middle of the pack when it comes to defense. We are at the bottom of the league on the offensive side of the ball. Our coaches are below average. Nobody takes this team seriously even at 6-3.[/QUOTE]



Shut up and cheer for them! How dare you give your honest opinion about them! You got a sandy vagina and you are not a good fan! [emoji23]

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[quote=httr198020;1207426]I wouldn't say that getting gashed for 500 yards is exactly shutting a team down. We did force some turnovers which was great. But still the Bucs was in the redzone 5 times. The only difference between the Bucs game and the Saints and Falcons games were the turnovers. If it wasn't for those lucky turnovers we would have got destroyed. Offense went up against the worse defense in the nfl and still couldn't score over 20 points. There is nothing at all impressive about this team. I don't care what any of you say. This team is not good. The stats show that are in the middle of the pack when it comes to defense. We are at the bottom of the league on the offensive side of the ball. Our coaches are below average. Nobody takes this team seriously even at 6-3.[/quote]

They may not take us seriously, but we are 4th in the conference, 6-2 in the conference with wins against Carolina(#5), and Packers(#8).

In division we have a 2 game lead, 2-0 in the division and the Eagles have games against the Rams and Saints, Dallas still has to play the Saints.

I think Dallas has the best chance of winning the division IF we don't. Their game against Atlanta is huge for their season. If they lose that they put themselves in a deep hole. Likewise, we could have a huge weekend if we win, and they lose.

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[quote=httr198020;1207432]There is a reason nobody is taken this team serious even after starting 6-3. We got a sorry ass, old ass qb that we stuck with for the next 3 years. That doesn't inspire any confidence in the short or long term. Our offense as a whole is ranked close to the bottom of the league. Which is pitiful due to the fact that Jay Gruden has been here for five years. Second our defense is not the world beaters that you seem to think they are. Have they improved? Yes, we have. Are we good? Yes, we are. Are we a legitimate top ten defense? No, we are not. I think that defensive line is elite. Our ILB are average. Mason Foster is slow as hell. Our secondary is average. That is why we've gotten killed over the last two weeks in the passing game. [B]Nobody respect us because we're not all that good. The fans are not showing up for the games because deep down they know we suck. Deep you know that everything I'm saying is true.[/B][/quote]

No sorry I don't agree at all. If you think Houston is coming into town thinking this is going to be an easy win for them you're kidding yourself.

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I know I sound like a broken record, but the Texans (like the Falcons, Saints, and Colts) can put a lot of points on the board.

Who’s ready to see Smith lose another shootout? Moses publicly said it. The offense needs to start carrying their weight and putting points on the board. The team cannot continue to rely on the defense.


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[QUOTE=httr198020;1207432]There is a reason nobody is taken this team serious even after starting 6-3. We got a sorry ass, old ass qb that we stuck with for the next 3 years. That doesn't inspire any confidence in the short or long term. Our offense as a whole is ranked close to the bottom of the league. Which is pitiful due to the fact that Jay Gruden has been here for five years. Second our defense is not the world beaters that you seem to think they are. Have they improved? Yes, we have. Are we good? Yes, we are. Are we a legitimate top ten defense? No, we are not. I think that defensive line is elite. Our ILB are average. Mason Foster is slow as hell. Our secondary is average. That is why we've gotten killed over the last two weeks in the passing game. Nobody respect us because we're not all that good. The fans are not showing up for the games because deep down they know we suck. Deep you know that everything I'm saying is true.[/QUOTE]



THIS! I completely agree. Our QB is total dumpster juice. Cousins did SO MUCH MORE with much less. The ONLY reasons we’ve squeaked by so many teams is AP and the defense


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Houston is 17th in points per game, not in the same conversation as New Orleans or Atlanta (both top 10).

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[QUOTE=MTK;1207439]Houston is 17th in points per game, not in the same conversation as New Orleans or Atlanta (both top 10).[/QUOTE]



And Smith’s offense is what?...dead last in points?


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1207440]And Smith’s offense is what?...dead last in points?


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No, wrong again

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1207440]And Smith’s offense is what?...dead last in points?


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Sorry, there are 2 teams that have scored less than Smith’s offense. Buffalo and Arizona per nfl.com stats....TWO rookie Led offenses


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[URL="https://www.richmond.com/sports/redskins/the-bruce-allen-apology-line-starts-here-alex-smith-is/article_7f80d662-e691-11e8-9218-4b1b7b13ad3b.html"]The Bruce Allen apology line starts here: Alex Smith is, indeed, a winner[/URL]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1207443][URL="https://www.richmond.com/sports/redskins/the-bruce-allen-apology-line-starts-here-alex-smith-is/article_7f80d662-e691-11e8-9218-4b1b7b13ad3b.html"]The Bruce Allen apology line starts here: Alex Smith is, indeed, a winner[/URL][/QUOTE]



Bruce Allen is about as much an idiot as Cerrato was. Smith doesn’t have this team at 6-3. AP and the defense does


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[quote=httr198020;1207432]There is a reason nobody is taken this team serious even after starting 6-3. We got a sorry ass, old ass qb that we stuck with for the next 3 years. That doesn't inspire any confidence in the short or long term. Our offense as a whole is ranked close to the bottom of the league. Which is pitiful due to the fact that Jay Gruden has been here for five years. Second our defense is not the world beaters that you seem to think they are. Have they improved? Yes, we have. Are we good? Yes, we are. Are we a legitimate top ten defense? No, we are not. I think that defensive line is elite. Our ILB are average. Mason Foster is slow as hell. Our secondary is average. That is why we've gotten killed over the last two weeks in the passing game. Nobody respect us because we're not all that good. The fans are not showing up for the games because deep down they know we suck. Deep you know that everything I'm saying is true.[/quote]

[url]https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/mind-and-body/ob-gyns-guide-healthy-vagina-beach[/url]

Wash well. Playing in the waves and body surfing is fun. Going home to find sand trapped down there because of it? Not so much. For some ladies, sand can be super irritating, notes Dr. Millheiser. "Make sure to rinse the vulva really well with water at the end of the day," she says. Just don't wash with a washcloth—sand is abrasive enough. Dr. Millheiser also touches on the bitch factor of not washing the vag and then the constant complaining. “It’s amazing how a simple solution is ignored, where the sand-stuffer would rather just complain loudly to anyone willing to listen.” Dr. Millheiser continues “Seriously, these folks should just grab the nearest garden hose, chose the jet stream setting, and blast away. Water log that sandy clam. Leave no lip or crevices unturned.”

For you and Punch...Take the doctors advice

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The D must be doing a heck of a job to compensate for the lack of points on offense right? Oh shit that's right, the D is overrated and not even that good, right? What am I thinking.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1207445][url]https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/mind-and-body/ob-gyns-guide-healthy-vagina-beach[/url]



Wash well. Playing in the waves and body surfing is fun. Going home to find sand trapped down there because of it? Not so much. For some ladies, sand can be super irritating, notes Dr. Millheiser. "Make sure to rinse the vulva really well with water at the end of the day," she says. Just don't wash with a washcloth—sand is abrasive enough. Dr. Millheiser also touches on the bitch factor of not washing the vag and then the constant complaining. “It’s amazing how a simple solution is ignored, where the sand-stuffer would rather just complain loudly to anyone willing to listen.” Dr. Millheiser continues “Seriously, these folks should just grab the nearest garden hose, chose the jet stream setting, and blast away. Water log that sandy clam. Leave no lip or crevices unturned.”



For you and Punch...Take the doctors advice[/QUOTE]



You are such a hypocrite Chico. Go back - any of you - and read through any game day thread. Watch Chico call our organization, our quarterback, our coach, and basically everyone else total shit. It is all there in black and white. But yeah u ride Mattys coat tails and defend the same team after you trash the shit out of them. Gtfoh.

You have literally been the spokesperson for the fuck smith n gruden crew. Complained countless times about letting mcvay and cousins walk and now u r gonna act like super mcfan boy? Seriously?

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[quote=punch it in;1207447]You are such a hypocrite Chico. Go back - any of you - and read through any game day thread. Watch Chico call our organization, our quarterback, our coach, and basically everyone else total shit. It is all there in black and white. But yeah u ride Mattys coat tails and defend the same team after you trash the shit out of them. Gtfoh.

You have literally been the spokesperson for the fuck smith n gruden crew. Complained countless times about letting mcvay and cousins walk and now u r gonna act like super mcfan boy? Seriously?[/quote]

Lol :laughing2

my criticism of the Alex smith decision is well documented. And my frustration is clear, but I’m havent taken the position we aren’t a good team, 6-3 isn’t legit, the defense sucks or I have a sandy vag.

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Alright, I got saggy balls. How about everyone stops arguing over stupid shit and let's see what happens in the next 7 weeks. Then you can all go bat shit.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1207448]Lol :laughing2



my criticism of the Alex smith decision is well documented. And my frustration is clear, but I’m havent taken the position we aren’t a good team, 6-3 isn’t legit, the defense sucks or I have a sandy vag.[/QUOTE]



So basically your frustration with the coach, organization, and quarterback, is well documented but it is different from others who complain about them because u have no sand in your vag? Ok. Like i said. Hypocrite.
Nobody said 6-3 isn’t a good record. Nobody said the defense sucks. Some have called it overrated but not sucky. I have said countless times that our offense will ultimately hold us back but apparently i am supposed to be happy as fuck about 6-3 and keep my mouth shut about its ineptitude in the meantime? Dumb.

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Ok, here’s a simple question for the Smith supporters. Is he worth a third round draft pick, Fuller, and 5 years $111 Million?

Fuck no he isn’t!!

If anyone thinks colt McCoy couldn’t have Gotten this offense to perform at a much higher level then they’re just straight fooling themselves

AP And the defense are the reasons were six and three. Alex Smith hasn’t done shit to help us with that record


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:grouphug:

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I’m convinced now that some people miss the days of having a QB that could put up pretty numbers even if it meant losing 28-24 vs winning 16-3.

Smith’s contribution has been lack of turnovers and winning the field position battle. The +11 turnover ratio is one of the main reasons we’re 6-3 along with the D, AP, and special teams.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1207451]Ok, here’s a simple question for the Smith supporters. Is he worth a third round draft pick, Fuller, and 5 years $111 Million?

Fuck no he isn’t!!

If anyone thinks colt McCoy couldn’t have Gotten this offense to perform at a much higher level then they’re just straight fooling themselves

AP And the defense are the reasons were six and three. Alex Smith hasn’t done shit to help us with that record


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Lack of offensive errors, excellent special teams and a defense that allows few points is the reason for our W's. Perhaps another QB like McCoy could have competed better in our L's. But I don't anyone could improve on the lack of offense mistakes to claw out 6 wins with an average offense roster.

I still advicate playing Smith until we are 2 scores down until we have a 2 score lead, then put Smith back in. No loss situation

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1207451]Ok, here’s a simple question for the Smith supporters. Is he worth a third round draft pick, Fuller, and 5 years $111 Million?

Fuck no he isn’t!!

If anyone thinks colt McCoy couldn’t have Gotten this offense to perform at a much higher level then they’re just straight fooling themselves

AP And the defense are the reasons were six and three. Alex Smith hasn’t done shit to help us with that record


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Like it has been said, Smith hasnt turned the ball over and generally we have been leading in time of possession. He's not prolific, but he clearly can lead the offense. It also seems like he and Doctson/Harris are starting to develop a little rhythm. So yes I am fine with what the trade value was. Of course if they had given us Majones I would have been ok with that.

Back to Smith, if he can get even a little more productive it will open the line for AP.

As for the fact we are winning with AP and defense, thats the funniest complaint ever.

Skins fans have been screaming for Gruden to focus on the run and improve the defense against the run. We do it, and have a qb who can win with that plan, and its not enough.

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I think in this day and age everyone is so QB focused it’s easy to forget there are other formulas for success that don’t revolve around having a stud QB.

Yeah CR it’s funny how winning with D and the running game is somehow a bad thing.

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Marshall activated from IR, Quick released.

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[quote=MTK;1207453]I’m convinced now that some people miss the days of having a QB that could put up pretty numbers even if it meant losing 28-24 vs winning 16-3.

Smith’s contribution has been lack of turnovers and winning the field position battle. The +11 turnover ratio is one of the main reasons we’re 6-3 along with the D, AP, and special teams.[/quote]

Ok but you could have got Colt to do what Smith is doing. You didn't need to extend him, give him a boat load of money and basically be married to him. Plus you gave away one of your better players who we really need right now. That was done partly to appease the fanbase for fucking up on Cousins. They couldn't sell Colt to the fans.

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I do not see any data that suggests Colt can do what AS is doing only conjecture. If you look at Colts lifetime stats he has thrown for 26 TDs vs 23 Int. His best year throwing was 2.2 int %. Alex Smith has not had an Int% above 2 since 2012.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03.htm[/url]

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Agree, that’s a very dubious claim. Smith’s turnover rate per snap and per game is miles ahead of Colt’s, whether you count Colt’s entire career or count only his Redskins career, either way.

You know how talking heads always love to say Alex Smith just wins games, and they seemingly throw up their hands as if there’s no explanation for it? The reason that happens is the low turnover rate. There’s no stat more correlated with wins/losses than turnover margin. Smith’s teams almost always are on the plus side.

Now I do understand some consternation - if you’re down by 7 in the 4th and you need a TD I don’t like Smith’s chances and that limits us. But if you had played Colt that entire game then we’re more likely to be down by 14 in the 4th.

Smith is not Brees who keeps turnovers low AND carves up defenses. But he’s also not Cousins, who carved up defenses but coughs the ball up.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1207456]I think in this day and age everyone is so QB focused it’s easy to forget there are other formulas for success that don’t revolve around having a stud QB.

Yeah CR it’s funny how winning with D and the running game is somehow a bad thing.[/QUOTE]



Please. It is undisputed that the QB is the most critical position in all of sports. Ours sucks and cannot throw a ball over 10yds.


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1207464]Please. It is undisputed that the QB is the most critical position in all of sports. Ours sucks and cannot throw a ball over 10yds.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I don't think he has a lot of opportunities to throw it deep right now. PR was our only deep threat.

He was injured near the beginning of the season and played injured until he was shut down.

Nobody else on the roster can take the top off and the defenses adjust and play the intermediate routes more aggressively.

VD is the closest thing we have to a deep threat and he really isn't.

The rest of the receivers can't create separation with speed.

He isn't throwing it deep, but that doesn't mean he can't.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1207465]I don't think he has a lot of opportunities to throw it deep right now. PR was our only deep threat.

He was injured near the beginning of the season and played injured until he was shut down.

Nobody else on the roster can take the top off and the defenses adjust and play the intermediate routes more aggressively.

VD is the closest thing we have to a deep threat and he really isn't.

The rest of the receivers can't create separation with speed.

He isn't throwing it deep, but that doesn't mean he can't.

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So how come Cousins could run high octane with a desimated line, Jordan Reed injured most of the year, Chris Thompson injured most of the year, Doctson out all year, no running game, and a horrible defense that put all the load on the offense???

Smith has been handed a mostly healthy line, healthy Jordan Reed, healthy Doctson, and excellent ground game, stout defense, and still can’t produce??


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All that from Cousins last year led to 7 wins

We can match that total today

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I am very excited for today's game. I read somewhere that Houston's RZ offense and RZ defense are both bottom of the barrel in the NFL. If the Skins defense keeps the plays in front the Houston offense can be held. I think we have some opportunities for RZ touchdowns their super aggressive front will open up short gains.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1207466]So how come Cousins could run high octane with a desimated line, Jordan Reed injured most of the year, Chris Thompson injured most of the year, Doctson out all year, no running game, and a horrible defense that put all the load on the offense???

Smith has been handed a mostly healthy line, healthy Jordan Reed, healthy Doctson, and excellent ground game, stout defense, and still can’t produce??


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This is fake news. He has 2 OL starters, Doctson missed a few games, and he is missing the best receivers on the team. (Crowder and Prich)

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1207466]So how come Cousins could run high octane with a desimated line, Jordan Reed injured most of the year, Chris Thompson injured most of the year, Doctson out all year, no running game, and a horrible defense that put all the load on the offense???

Smith has been handed a mostly healthy line, healthy Jordan Reed, healthy Doctson, and excellent ground game, stout defense, and still can’t produce??


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All that high octane then the dragster engine would explode right before the finish line and go sideways. For all his pretty stats Kirk was 26-30-1 as a starter here. He seemed to make his bonehead plays and bad throws at the worst possible time. He is 5-3-1 with a Minnesota team that is equal to or better talent wise than our Redskins. Three times this year he has thrown for over 350 yards and in those games he is 0-3. I will take 200 yards, no turnovers and a "W" over that anytime.