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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209630]Speaking of AD

Since his great game against NY he has had 56 Carries for 171 yards....

That is terrible[/quote]

That is something like 14 touches per game.
Help me out with something. I do not get to watch all Washington games where I am, but when I do get the chance, I watch.

What I did notice was when the opposing team scores first, or has an early lead, the Washington offense tends to go to the air no matter what quarter.

I get this if you are down by two scores in the 4th quarter. But it looks like they abandon the run way too early.

Other than that Saints game, 'Skins were within one score all the way up to the end. But somehow in those losses AD has 12 or fewer attempts.

But in the wins, AD has 20 or more attempts. Is it me? Or does it seem like game plans are getting pushed aside too early? Not being critical, just curious.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209637]That is something like 14 touches per game.
Help me out with something. I do not get to watch all Washington games where I am, but when I do get the chance, I watch.

What I did notice was when the opposing team scores first, or has an early lead, the Washington offense tends to go to the air no matter what quarter.

I get this if you are down by two scores in the 4th quarter. But it looks like they abandon the run way too early.

Other than that Saints game, 'Skins were within one score all the way up to the end. But somehow in those losses AD has 12 or fewer attempts.

But in the wins, AD has 20 or more attempts. Is it me? Or does it seem like game plans are getting pushed aside too early? Not being critical, just curious.[/quote]


We can't come back on anyone, it doesn't matter who it is, if they score first we lose. So yes we have to get on the board first every game to have a chance

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209637]That is something like 14 touches per game.
Help me out with something. I do not get to watch all Washington games where I am, but when I do get the chance, I watch.

What I did notice was when the opposing team scores first, or has an early lead, the Washington offense tends to go to the air no matter what quarter.

I get this if you are down by two scores in the 4th quarter. But it looks like they abandon the run way too early.

Other than that Saints game, 'Skins were within one score all the way up to the end. But somehow in those losses AD has 12 or fewer attempts.

But in the wins, AD has 20 or more attempts. Is it me? Or does it seem like game plans are getting pushed aside too early? Not being critical, just curious.[/quote]

If he could get away with it, Gruden would throw it every down. He has gave platitudes about running the ball for 5 seasons now. When we trail, that's his free pass to become Chucky Chuckerson.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1209654]If he could get away with it, Gruden would throw it every down. He has gave platitudes about running the ball for 5 seasons now. When we trail, that's his free pass to become Chucky Chuckerson.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you. Jay Gruden is predicable as a O-coordinator. He runs on first down almost every set of downs! Watch him! That's one of the reasons our running game has turned lame - it's very predictable.

As far a QB - the best teams in the league have the best QB. Our problem as a franchise since Dan Snyder took over (besides the fact that he's a terrible owner) is that we have gone through over 20 QB in that time. We've never had a top QB, except for Kirk Cousins and RG3 (in his first season ONLY)! The NFL is a QB-centric league. We can talk about needs in every position but until we get a franchise QB we are treading water. We can't recruit a veteran QB because we have all our money locked into the AS deal. Thank Bruce Allen for that move.

[B]Whether we draft a QB in the first or second round the QB position is our biggest hole and we must strive for a franchise QB in the draft. We need to do whatever it takes to get the best QB in the draft. Everything else is rubbish.[/B]

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

The 2019 draft has 3 possible high 1st round QBs.

Grier WVU
Herbert Oregon
Hankins Ohio State (rumor is he is coming out)

Right now the Redskins have between the #18 and #23 pick And the draft has several good DL, so one might slip..... getting a QB in 2019 could be possible without mortgaging the farm.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1209675]The 2019 draft has 3 possible high 1st round QBs.

Grier WVU
Herbert Oregon
Hankins Ohio State (rumor is he is coming out)

Right now the Redskins have between the #18 and #23 pick And the draft has several good DL, so one might slip..... getting a QB in 2019 could be possible without mortgaging the farm.[/quote]

I'm not sure any of those guys are worthy of being drafted in the 1st round. Maybe 2nd to 4th rounders.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1209676]I'm not sure any of those guys are worthy of being drafted in the 1st round. Maybe 2nd to 4th rounders.[/quote]

Yeah, I wouldn't want any of those guys in the 1st and probably not at all.

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Grier is a 1st round grade but we would have to trade up unless we lose out..

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[quote=skinsfan69;1209676]I'm not sure any of those guys are worthy of being drafted in the 1st round. Maybe 2nd to 4th rounders.[/quote]

If we don't love a QB this draft then this would be a great year to move out the first round and see if we can pick up an additional first rounder the following year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1209676]I'm not sure any of those guys are worthy of being drafted in the 1st round. Maybe 2nd to 4th rounders.[/quote]

Worthy? Mock drafts have Herbert in the top 5 picks. Haskins in the top 10.
I like Grier, he is athletic, has a strong arm... downside he is small...6'1"

QBs are so important, they tend to go high, it is very unlikely any of them slip to the 2nd to 4th round

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Please no Will Grier. Haskins is a top 10 candidate now? I'd have to watch more film of him. Herbert is so overrated to me. But he'll be long gone by the time we pick anyways.

Give me a WR1/CB1/OLB in the 1st and Ryan Finley in the 2nd.

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I'll take a guy like Drew Lock in the first round. I love that kid's arm talent. The problem is he's always in the shotgun.

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Who was the kid that just blew his knee out? I'd say his career is over. It made Smith's injury look like a sprained ankle.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1209727]Please no Will Grier. Haskins is a top 10 candidate now? I'd have to watch more film of him. Herbert is so overrated to me. But he'll be long gone by the time we pick anyways.

Give me a WR1/CB1/OLB in the 1st and Ryan Finley in the 2nd.[/quote]

Have watched film on all 3. Grier is the best right now but Herbert has big upside

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[quote=MTK;1209753]Who was the kid that just blew his knee out? I'd say his career is over. It made Smith's injury look like a sprained ankle.[/quote]

Milton from UCF, he was as good of a passer as it gets this yr too. Hope he can come back from that but it was nasty.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209755]Milton from UCF, he was as good of a passer as it gets this yr too. Hope he can come back from that but it was nasty.[/quote]

Yes that's him, that injury looked horrific

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[quote=MTK;1209756]Yes that's him, that injury looked horrific[/quote]

Cut off blood flow, had to have emergency surgery. He's lucky to have 2 legs still.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209754]Have watched film on all 3. Grier is the best right now but Herbert has big upside[/quote]

Unless Grier is Drew Brees. Pass. General concerns plus playing against Big 12 defenses. Pass.

Herbert is going top 10. If we trade up to try to get him, I'm flying to Redskins Park and dickkicking everyone. I say its a 1% chance or less they will but that would be my reaction.

I think we should get the best available qb in the 2nd. Impact player in the 1st and future QB in the 2nd.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1209758]Unless Grier is Drew Brees. Pass. General concerns plus playing against Big 12 defenses. Pass.

Herbert is going top 10. If we trade up to try to get him, I'm flying to Redskins Park and dickkicking everyone. I say its a 1% chance or less they will but that would be my reaction.

I think we should get the best available qb in the 2nd. Impact player in the 1st and future QB in the 2nd.[/quote]

Drew Brees did not become Drew Brees until he hooked up with Sean Payton in New Orleans. Else San Diego would have released Phillip Rivers instead of Brees.

That is the winning formula these days in the NFL. Draft a young stud QB, pair him up with a 'QB whisperer'. Then surround him with talent in those first 4 years in the league when that QB is still under his rookie salary. With the rookie salary pool fixed, it allows teams to go out and sign some higher priced free agents on both sides of the ball. Once that QB gets his contract extension that counts 30 mil against the cap, the party is over. A typical 'window' as they call it usually lasts 6 years. Then most rebuild or recharge.

Proof in point:

Seattle - Russell Wilson + Pete Carroll
Philly - Carson Wentz (& Foles) + Doug Pedersen
Los Angeles - Jarred Goff + Sean McVay
Kansas City - Mahommes + Andy Reid

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

Will Grier is my choice right now

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1209787]Will Grier is my choice right now[/quote]

Same here as far as rookies, for Vets? Andy Dalton if he's not signed or tagged.

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I'm just going to be honest with you guys. I think we should stick to the script unless our front office finds a guy worth taking. We should continue on building up the fronts. This year we should draft an LG, WR, and ILB.

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

There isn't a draftable qb that really jumps off the page, I would not spend a high pick on any of them

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[QUOTE=Meks;1210047]There isn't a draftable qb that really jumps off the page, I would not spend a high pick on any of them[/QUOTE]O line and defense. Can't go wrong. Always make an exception for freak talent at any position.

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BTW

Alex was 2-0 vs the NFCE, 6-2 against the NFC.

Now the team is 0-2 vs the NFCE...

Obviously he was doing something right...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1211270]BTW

Alex was 2-0 vs the NFCE, 6-2 against the NFC.

Now the team is 0-2 vs the NFCE...

Obviously he was doing something right...[/quote]

You are so on Smith's nuts.. lol. Those wins were not because of him. So you think he had anything to do w/ beating Tampa? Our record would still be the same if he was still playing. He will be on the roster but he is not the future here at all.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1211292]You are so on Smith's nuts.. lol. Those wins were not because of him. So you think he had anything to do w/ beating Tampa? Our record would still be the same if he was still playing. He will be on the roster but he is not the future here at all.[/quote]

I'm not on his nuts , I'm just stating facts. The team was good when he was the QB. U can't deny that. 6-3 was a damn good start. Then it all went to hell. I pray Alex Smith retires and we don't eat that cap hit. If he retires but clears the physical, we won't get hit but if he retires due to injury we will.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1211293]I'm not on his nuts , I'm just stating facts. The team was good when he was the QB. U can't deny that. 6-3 was a damn good start. Then it all went to hell. I pray Alex Smith retires and we don't eat that cap hit. If he retires but clears the physical, we won't get hit but if he retires due to injury we will.[/quote]

The way he was playing it would have eventually evened out. Like I said, if he was still healthy we'd still be 6-6.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1211295]The way he was playing it would have eventually evened out. Like I said, if he was still healthy we'd still be 6-6.[/quote]

Idk man, we had a shot last night but no QB killed us. Ultimately none of that matters ant this point

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

i really like the QB jones from duke or finley from n.c.state

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[quote=bigant;1211317]i really like the QB jones from duke or finley from n.c.state[/quote]

Grier for me but I'd take any of the top 4 guys.

Herbert
Grier
Haskins

All are solid guys that have good upside

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[quote=bigant;1211317]i really like the QB jones from duke or finley from n.c.state[/quote]

Jones is a JR and may return to school

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

We need to throw bodies at the QB position right now.

Can't keep both Alex and Colt.
We need at least two young guys on this roster to backup Alex.

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I was listening to the radio this morning and they were discussing the Baltimore QB situation. One of the hosts said that only one QB of significance ever improved their college QB completion percentage and that was Joe Montana. I have not proof checked that statement but if true there is absolutely zero reasons to take on a project QB.

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[quote=jamf;1211388]We need to throw bodies at the QB position right now.

[B]Can't keep both Alex and Colt[/B].
We need at least two young guys on this roster to backup Alex.[/quote]

Probably gonna have to. Smith won't be ready until training camp if we're lucky. Colt is probably back for off season stuff, who else is going to run OTA and mini camps? Sanchez?

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[quote=MTK;1211396]Probably gonna have to. Smith won't be ready until training camp if we're lucky. Colt is probably back for off season stuff, who else is going to run OTA and mini camps? Sanchez?[/quote]

Good point but those reps are better for a guy who has a future on the team.
Hopefully our new coach will know a guy.

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[quote=MTK;1211396]Probably gonna have to. Smith won't be ready until training camp if we're lucky. Colt is probably back for off season stuff, who else is going to run OTA and mini camps? Sanchez?[/quote]

The new coach should bring in a backup qb from whatever system he is running.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1211401]The new coach should bring in a backup qb from whatever system he is running.[/quote]

Sure, if a coaching change happens. I just don't know who is going to want to come here and clean up this shit. I'd probably ride with Gruden one more year.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1211418]Sure, if a coaching change happens. I just don't know who is going to want to come here and clean up this shit. I'd probably ride with Gruden one more year.[/QUOTE]Gregg Williams.

Narcissist, sociopath, extraordinaire.

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Greg Williams may get the job in Cle