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[quote=punch it in;1209917]So dude punches girl. Girl tells. Guy says baby say u lied it will never happen again. Girl says she lied. Dude punches girl again. She goes back on her word. Like Matty said there is a real good chance they are both trash.[B] At what point would u believe him when he says he will never whack her again though[/B]?[/quote]

That's not what happened the first time. He didn't whack her...she said that.

As long as he gets good lawyer and didn't admit to anything at the scene...this probably ends up good for him.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1209908]Your argument at least what you wrote is that women nowadays are psycho, women make up stuff all the time, you have discredited her based on her gender but yeah I am deflecting arguments.[/quote]

You most certainly are deflecting my argument....when I say women I'm not generalizing....but there are women in our society who are vindictive enough to make these types of fraudulent claims of domestic abuse...

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1209918]That's not what happened the first time. He didn't whack her...she said that.



As long as he gets good lawyer and didn't admit to anything at the scene...this probably ends up good for him.[/QUOTE]



Around n around we go. I gave u a possible reason why she said she lied. Neither of us were there. We don’t know if he did or not. But it is completely plausible that he did, and she retracted her statement because it would have meant no more payday for him or her.

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What's not talked about enough is the risk / reward from the cap side of things. His cap number next year would be $1.3M if on our roster, and $1.7M in 2020. Absolutely none of that guaranteed. So we can dump him at any time with no cap ramifications.

We can also exercise the option for 2021, if we so chose.

Or, if he plays out his deal here, we can let him leave via free agency and get a comp pick in the deal, depending what he signs for elsewhere.

This is the biggest reason he was signed. No guaranteed money, no cap consequences, talented player. Lots of upside reasons that make you willing to weather the PR storm.

I definitely would have put in the claim myself.

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Remember, GMs and coaches keep their jobs based on their win / loss record. Not based on whether they drag their team through PR issues, which just like anything else in the media these days passes over as quickly as an east-coast thunderstorm in July.

If I think there's a move I can make that helps me win more games, even if it isn't until 2019, I'm doing it. The stigma of signing the occasional bad apple gets me some egg on my face temporarily, but losing games puts me out of a job.

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[quote=Schneed10;1209922]What's not talked about enough is the risk / reward from the cap side of things. His cap number next year would be $1.3M if on our roster, and $1.7M in 2020. Absolutely none of that guaranteed. So we can dump him at any time with no cap ramifications.

We can also exercise the option for 2021, if we so chose.

Or, if he plays out his deal here, we can let him leave via free agency and get a comp pick in the deal, depending what he signs for elsewhere.

This is the biggest reason he was signed. No guaranteed money, no cap consequences, talented player. Lots of upside reasons that make you willing to weather the PR storm.

I definitely would have put in the claim myself.[/quote]

Yep, and for those saying "Why didn't they sign CK" It's because he hasn't played in 2 years and I have not seen any story of him training and actively looking for a job either..

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1209922]What's not talked about enough is the risk / reward from the cap side of things. His cap number next year would be $1.3M if on our roster, and $1.7M in 2020. Absolutely none of that guaranteed. So we can dump him at any time with no cap ramifications.



We can also exercise the option for 2021, if we so chose.



Or, if he plays out his deal here, we can let him leave via free agency and get a comp pick in the deal, depending what he signs for elsewhere.



This is the biggest reason he was signed. No guaranteed money, no cap consequences, talented player. Lots of upside reasons that make you willing to weather the PR storm.



I definitely would have put in the claim myself.[/QUOTE]



From a pure football standpoint it makes total sense. For a team with an ongoing PR issues and waning interest from long time fans I wouldn’t have done it.




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[quote=Schneed10;1209923]Remember, GMs and coaches keep their jobs based on their win / loss record. Not based on whether they drag their team through PR issues, which just like anything else in the media these days passes over as quickly as an east-coast thunderstorm in July.

If I think there's a move I can make that helps me win more games, even if it isn't until 2019, I'm doing it. The stigma of signing the occasional bad apple gets me some egg on my face temporarily, but losing games puts me out of a job.[/quote]

U said it best, Its about WINNING. Jay knows if this team caves and finishes 7-9 or worse he's most likely fired. I'm sure BA feels the same way, Jay said at the beginning of Pre season "This team needs to win now" He knew the pressure was on.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209924]Yep, and for those saying "Why didn't they sign CK" It's because he hasn't played in 2 years and I have not seen any story of him training and actively looking for a job either..[/quote]

Last I heard about his contract demands, he wanted a good $10M and didn't want to accept less than that because that's what he felt he was worth. If his salary demands dropped to reflect those of a backup QB who hasn't performed particularly well in recent seasons, he might get signed.

Foster counts $1.3M, none of it guaranteed. Kaepernick would cost much more than that.

The almighty dollar drives almost everything.

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[quote=MTK;1209925]From a pure football standpoint it makes total sense. For a team with an ongoing PR issues and waning interest from long time fans I wouldn’t have done it.




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To be honest Matt, unless the team changes the Logo or Name they will be hated on by the media. I was thinking about the team going to this look.. [IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1688375/uspw_6718080.jpg[/IMG]


Change the Indian logo to a W and stick with the name. That way the Logo/Redskins can't be connected.

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[quote=MTK;1209897]Before we get too carried away with victim blaming let's remember this guy is no boy scout. He's got an established history when it comes to domestic incidents, guns, failed drug tests, marijuana possession, and a league suspension.[/quote]

Was just listening to Doc on 980, he said while he agrees with the Redskins taking a chance, Foster has been in the news every season since he left college. He even had issues at the combine. Doc said the guy needs professional help and will ask Doug Williams what the plan for that is tomorrow live on the air.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1209929]To be honest Matt, unless the team changes the Logo or Name they will be hated on by the media. I was thinking about the team going to this look.. [IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1688375/uspw_6718080.jpg[/IMG]





Change the Indian logo to a W and stick with the name. That way the Logo/Redskins can't be connected.[/QUOTE]



Yeah but it’s the name that people have a problem with.



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Nelson Agholor
Jalen Mills
Jordan Hicks

All 3 have Domestic Accusations/Charges. All 3 play for the Philadelphia Eagles.

The Eagles also have the most arrested players on their team in the NFC East.....#facts

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[QUOTE=MTK;1209925]From a pure football standpoint it makes total sense. For a team with an ongoing PR issues and waning interest from long time fans I wouldn’t have done it.




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When , conceivably, is the first time he could get on the field?

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It was also noted that in the last 16 games Foster played he hadn't recorded a sack, forced fumble, an interception or lead the team in tackles. Is the guy worth the potential trouble? Obviously in the NFL the better the player is the longer the leash for transgressions.

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[quote=punch it in;1209935]When , conceivably, is the first time he could get on the field?[/quote]

Not until the league takes him off the exempt list

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The longer I live the more shit-birds I encounter or learn about who touch on my personal life. Yet most of these people have been able to cover up their immoral and often illegal shortcomings and have remained employed and even respected. My point is that there are a multitude of character issues among all people but those who are in the public eye are less able to avoid having their failings become an employment problem.

Rueben Foster's bad behavior is a public relations problem for the NFL because he is a player. Meanwhile, Sammy The Shit-bird of Accounts Payable may be twice as bad as Foster but his transgressions are unnoticed because he is a comparative nobody.

So, I say go ahead and sign Foster because the transaction makes perfect sense from a pure football perspective and it's time that we all admit that we probably have many other people employed throughout the rest of the NFL and our society in general who regularly commit immoral and illegal acts but who are under the radar, unpunished, and still employed.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1209857]He also has a laundry list of things he did other than kneeling for the flag. Wore socks to practice that depicted police as pigs. Made internet posts comparing cops to runaway slave catchers. He praised Fidel Castro and wore a shirt with his likeness.

He also did football related things teams would not like. He switched to a vegan diet without professional supervision losing an overly excessive amount of muscle mass while recovering from surgery. He dated a teammates ex who may not even be an ex at the time that caused them to almost come to blows and some supposed damage to Kap's car. That guy was Aldon Smith, some of Smith's issues could have been tied to Kap. He was also aloof and kept mostly to himself, he did not interact with teammates like a leader should. He also worked hard in areas he was already good at, running and strength, and would not put in the extra work where he was deficient. If you want more study film on his play. He flees the pocket early, never gets past a second read and locks on receivers. He is extremely poor at reading defenses.
His early successes were from mostly his running, he steadily went downhill after his initial success. He has been out of football 2 years and is 3-16 the last two seasons he played.[/quote]

With all of that he also stated he would keep on protesting if he was signed.

Wonder if Snyder knew about this?

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[quote=MTK;1209932]Yeah but it’s the name that people have a problem with.



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IMO it the name and logo combo that's the issue. That said I'd just drop the name Redskins and have the team call itself Washington. Keep everything else the same.

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[quote=irish;1209943]IMO it the name and logo combo that's the issue. That said I'd just drop the name Redskins and have the team call itself Washington. Keep everything else the same.[/quote]

Have to have a nickname, I'd go with Warriors if that was the case.

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Kaepernick's early success was all a result of Jim Harbaugh tailoring the offense to emphasize his strengths and cover up his weaknesses. He also seemed to give the guy direction outside of football. Kap was 25-14 regular season with Harbaugh 3-16 after he left. Also the year after Harbaugh left all the above listed bad behavior started. Do note the protesting started after he was benched for Blaine Gabbert and demanded a trade. Kapernick would have to be a top 10 QB for teams to put up with all the baggage and nonsense. On the other hand he makes Jim Harbaugh look like a damn good head coach.

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As we ride around on our high horses, a glimpse of what Foster brings from a pure talent perspective is at PFF's link below. Understand the PR side, understand the financial side, and finally understand the football impact in detail. This link gives you that last piece.

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-film-focus-pff-breakdown-of-foster-cover-3[/url]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1209919]You most certainly are deflecting my argument....when I say women I'm not generalizing....but there are women in our society who are vindictive enough to make these types of fraudulent claims of domestic abuse...[/quote]

There's a Duke Lacross team that agrees with you.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209910]I am not naive. What I am, though, is a father to two daughters. So you could accuse my vision of being slightly biased in that regard.

Since you are fully on the bandwagon, why don't you run right out and buy your wife or daughter a Reuban Foster Redskins jersey?

You can sit and there and 'what if' all you want. IMHO the one who is naive is one that authors and buys into conjecture and not facts. What is known as a fact and without a 'what if' is he has been arrested 3 times this year for drugs, weapons and ALLEGED (just for you) domestic abuse. No what if, no conjecture. No 'maybe he did it'. The guy pleaded no contest to the other charges of drug & illegal weapons possession. This is Fact, not conjecture and not 'maybe she planted that weapon on him'. He has been suspended by the league, he was kicked out of the NFL combine. But that was probably her fault too, right?

The two most cowardly men in the world are those that beat children and those that beat women. I've no stomach for either.

So let the investigation play itself out and see where it ends. But where there is smoke, there is usually fire.[/quote]

I've been on this site for about a year on and off. I see your a long term member but where have you been the past year. Dallas wins and your here all the time now. Its your right I just find it strange.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209944]Have to have a nickname, I'd go with Warriors if that was the case.[/quote]

Don't necessarily need a nickname.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1209950]As we ride around on our high horses, a glimpse of what Foster brings from a pure talent perspective is at PFF's link below. Understand the PR side, understand the financial side, and finally understand the football impact in detail. This link gives you that last piece.



[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-film-focus-pff-breakdown-of-foster-cover-3[/url][/QUOTE]



No question he could help out tremendously on the field



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[quote=Schneed10;1209950]As we ride around on our high horses, a glimpse of what Foster brings from a pure talent perspective is at PFF's link below. Understand the PR side, understand the financial side, and finally understand the football impact in detail. This link gives you that last piece.

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-film-focus-pff-breakdown-of-foster-cover-3[/url][/quote]

Well there is no way Mason Foster can make those plays. He simply can't run that fast and is terrible once he gets in open field.

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[quote=Schneed10;1209922]What's not talked about enough is the risk / reward from the cap side of things. His cap number next year would be $1.3M if on our roster, and $1.7M in 2020. Absolutely none of that guaranteed. So we can dump him at any time with no cap ramifications.

We can also exercise the option for 2021, if we so chose.

Or, if he plays out his deal here, we can let him leave via free agency and get a comp pick in the deal, depending what he signs for elsewhere.

This is the biggest reason he was signed. No guaranteed money, no cap consequences, talented player. Lots of upside reasons that make you willing to weather the PR storm.

I definitely would have put in the claim myself.[/quote]

I'm really glad you mentioned this. For the people asking, "Why not sign Dez, why not sign Kaep, why not sign this player or that player", it's a low risk proposition for the 'skins in terms of money. The Redskins can pretty much drop Foster at any point without losing any money, and the fact that he's still on his rookie contract makes it pretty cheap as well. For someone like Dez or Kaep, much more expensive. Foster is young, and maybe, MAYBE, if he can keep his nose clean, he has a heck of a career ahead of him. Dez is at the end of his career, and Kaep hasn't played in over two years and sucked in that last year he did play.

Yeah, from a PR standpoint, it sucks, but you know what...the heck with PR. The sports media is always salivating over some bad press to come the Redskins way so they can pile on. Mike Jones has already written a scathing review on the move in USA Today. The way I see it is, they want to make this franchise out to be the bad guys, might as well live up to that and become the Stone Cold Steve Austins of the NFL world.

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[quote=MTK;1209954]No question he could help out tremendously on the field
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Question is when will that happen? He's now on the Commissioners exempt list. Just like a suspension, but he still gets paid and there is no end date.

He won't play this season. And he will have a laundry list of requirements he will need to fulfill to even get to a point where they will consider removing him from the list.

He'll have to do a ton of counseling as well as who knows what else. And if he screws it up, he won't play next season either. But he will still get paid.

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Gruden: “I anticipate it will be a while before (Foster plays).” Gruden said there’s no guarantee he ever plays again.

Well there is that

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Last yr people cried about Zeke until he got suspended, now nobody cares about what happened. It's part of the process.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1209899]Yikes, some men on this board are why women don’t go to police in the first place. I pray for your wives and daughters.

(I’m a woman btw) [emoji19]


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Oh please. Women constantly get away with domestic violence against men. When a woman gets pissed she's allowed to attack her boyfriend. She's allowed to destroy his property. You won't see anyone calling for her to lose her career. You all know it's true. That is why I don't give a fuck if Reuben Foster did it or not.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209960]Last yr people cried about Zeke until he got suspended, now nobody cares about what happened. It's part of the process.[/quote]

In the end, nobody cares. If they did, they'd stop going to Cowboys games, stop watching them on TV, stop buying Zeke jerseys.

None of that happens. Ever. Nobody actually cares about this stuff to actually do anything about it, like turn off the TV on Sundays.

It's all faux outrage, which is why I say this PR storm will pass over like a thunderstorm in July. It gets dark and makes a lot of noise, but it's gone in 15 minutes and you're back in the pool.

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[quote=Schneed10;1209963]In the end, nobody cares. If they did, they'd stop going to Cowboys games, stop watching them on TV, stop buying Zeke jerseys.

None of that happens. Ever. Nobody actually cares about this stuff to actually do anything about it, like turn off the TV on Sundays.

It's all faux outrage, which is why I say this PR storm will pass over like a thunderstorm in July. It gets dark and makes a lot of noise, but it's gone in 15 minutes and you're back in the pool.[/quote]

IDK about this. You can still be pissed off about a signing and still root for your favorite team. You can be angry, disappointed, voice your frustration. They're going to do things that sometimes you may not like it. I'm still against signing AP but it's not to the point where I'll stop watching. In other words, it doesn't piss me off enough to go root for someone else, but I still have the right to voice my frustration.

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[quote=httr198020;1209962]Oh please. Women constantly get away with domestic violence against men. When a woman gets pissed she's allowed to attack her boyfriend. She's allowed to destroy his property. You won't see anyone calling for her to lose her career. You all know it's true. That is why I don't give a fuck if Reuben Foster did it or not.[/quote]

That isn't always true. An ex friend of mine married this very attractive woman 15 years ago who was used to playing men, pushing them around and getting her way. She was in her mid 30's been divorced twice and had a teenage son. She was used to being a trophy wife who never lifted a finger. She had been drop dead gorgeous since birth and always had her butt kissed. When they got married my friend laid down the law, put her on an allowance if she did not want to work and docked her money for violations of agreed upon duties.

This of course made her angrier by the minute and the more she acted out over time the more he took away. Finally one day she totally flipped and attacked him, my friend did nothing. She was a little off and he drove her over the edge. She unwittingly called the police. They came out saw her in perfect shape and my friend scratched up with a ripped shirt with a broken watch and a gold chain, She went to jail, he did not. They eventually got divorced.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209957]Question is when will that happen? He's now on the Commissioners exempt list. Just like a suspension, but he still gets paid and there is no end date.

He won't play this season. And he will have a laundry list of requirements he will need to fulfill to even get to a point where they will consider removing him from the list.

He'll have to do a ton of counseling as well as who knows what else. And if he screws it up, he won't play next season either. But he will still get paid.[/quote]

I'll take your word on that. If anybody would know all the ins and outs of a player suspension it would be a Cowboys fan.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1209964]IDK about this. You can still be pissed off about a signing and still root for your favorite team. You can be angry, disappointed, voice your frustration. They're going to do things that sometimes you may not like it. I'm still against signing AP but it's not to the point where I'll stop watching. In other words, it doesn't piss me off enough to go root for someone else, but I still have the right to voice my frustration.[/quote]

Yeah you do, but why should it matter to ownership if you're still going to hand over your money?

If it makes you feel better to vent your frustration go nuts. But farting in the wind is all it is.

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Anyone see the news that Doug WIlliams lied. In his statement he said they had candid conversations with his ex teammates. The former fellow Alabama players on the Resskins roster say they were NOT consulted before the Redskins got Foster.


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I pray this team loses out the remainder of the year. They deserve it

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/redskins-claim-reuben-foster-peak-dan-snyder-hypocrisy-051501143.html[/url]


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I think we have a new sandy vag in the house


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