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I just listened to Jay Gruden's Wednesday press conference...he was asked about Mason Foster's tweets about trashing the organization and the Redskins fans....he simply excused the player for his transgressions....

That's the problem with this team and coach....players are not accountable! He doesn't care that a player trashed the team and fans because it was a private conversation? Get a clue Jay you are part of the dysfunction and culture that needs to change!

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Hindsight is 20-20, but what if Gruden has been fired last year and we promoted McVay to HC?

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Foster would already be off the team if I was in charge.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1212898]Foster would already be off the team if I was in charge.[/quote]

Him and DJ Swearinger would both be gone if it was any other team in the NFL.

It seems like the guys with the biggest bark on social media / etc. have been the shittiest players for us this season. Both guys should really just STFU and let their play do the talking. I'm not upset that they are upset about our trash organization. But i do believe there is a right way to handle it / privately address it with coaches / etc. Social media is not the right way, IMO.

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1212894]Hindsight is 20-20, but what if Gruden has been fired last year and we promoted McVay to HC?[/QUOTE]



We’d be 13-0 of course.


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[quote=SolidSnake84;1212917]Him and DJ Swearinger would both be gone if it was any other team in the NFL.

It seems like the guys with the biggest bark on social media / etc. have been the shittiest players for us this season. Both guys should really just STFU and let their play do the talking. I'm not upset that they are upset about our trash organization. But i do believe there is a right way to handle it / privately address it with coaches / etc. Social media is not the right way, IMO.[/quote]

This organization just refuses to set any kind of example. Just a complete systematic failure that never gets fixed.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1212894]Hindsight is 20-20, but what if Gruden has been fired last year and we promoted McVay to HC?[/quote]

McVay left after 2016....he was with the Rams HC last year....

But Gruden would not have been fired last year....

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1212976]McVay left after 2016....he was with the Rams HC last year....

But Gruden would not have been fired last year....[/quote]

That’s what I meant! Just seeing if everyone was paying attention.

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How has no one been fired? I still don't understand.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1213026]How has no one been fired? I still don't understand.[/quote]

Well let's see.

Option A. DS has learned wisdom and perspective through the years, and is sticking to his old promise not to fire anyone during the season.

Option B. DS has learned nothing, and thinks injuries are an acceptable reason for this raging dumpster fire.

Option C. DS is waiting to fire Gruden/co. but is still soliciting BA's opinion out of reverence for his father.

Option D. DS is bound and gagged in his basement (and hasn't watched since we were 6-3) and Allen is calling all the shots now.

Option E. DS is still stupid and is waiting until after the season to fire BA (when there's really no good reason to wait, let's get a head start on everybody else and let the new GM figure out whether to fire Gruden/co. at the end of the season).

Option F. DS is determined to find a new GM before he fires Allen, and the ball rolls from there.

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Snyder doesn’t like the reputation of an owner with an itchy trigger finger.


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[QUOTE=MTK;1213040]Snyder doesn’t like the reputation of an owner with an itchy trigger finger.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I get that with the coaches, but i view this giants debacle much like when cerrato was let go. Very similar circumstances and with the dwindling atadium crowds, i doubt firing Allen or even just moving Smith up and re positioning BA in the organization would be seen as a smart move. Heck GB AND Minnesota fired people already this season so he wouldnt be alone in the in season actions.

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[quote=mooby;1213029]Well let's see.

Option A. DS has learned wisdom and perspective through the years, and is sticking to his old promise not to fire anyone during the season.

Option B. DS has learned nothing, and thinks injuries are an acceptable reason for this raging dumpster fire.

Option C. DS is waiting to fire Gruden/co. but is still soliciting BA's opinion out of reverence for his father.

Option D. DS is bound and gagged in his basement (and hasn't watched since we were 6-3) and Allen is calling all the shots now.

Option E. DS is still stupid and is waiting until after the season to fire BA (when there's really no good reason to wait, let's get a head start on everybody else and let the new GM figure out whether to fire Gruden/co. at the end of the season).

Option F. DS is determined to find a new GM before he fires Allen, and the ball rolls from there.[/quote]

Regardless the answer is always F. DS

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1213056]Regardless the answer is always F. DS[/quote]

This may get the post of the year award.

In all seriousness, though, I hope it is because he's figuring out who the GM should be and that the GM will be intimately involved in the coaching search and decision. I will say this, though -- if there isn't a major change in the offseason (barring some miraculous win streak now), the fan base will leave in droves. I assume that the folks on the Warpath are among the most loyal, and comments in the last few weeks reflect extraordinary disaffection.

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[quote=calia;1213115]This may get the post of the year award.

In all seriousness, though, I hope it is because he's figuring out who the GM should be and that the GM will be intimately involved in the coaching search and decision. I will say this, though -- if there isn't a major change in the offseason (barring some miraculous win streak now), the fan base will leave in droves. [B]I assume that the folks on the Warpath are among the most loyal, and comments in the last few weeks reflect extraordinary disaffection.[/B][/quote]

Very true. I consider most posters here to be realistic and level-headed (for the most part.) When the mood around here is as negative as it has been lately, things are in bad shape.

I think Snyder needs to find a competent [B]GM[/B] and let [B]him[/B] make the decisions, [B]alone.[/B]

We don't need another "Team President" or "VP of Player Personnel." And we don't need this "Decision by Committee" crap we have going on now. We need a [B]SINGULAR GM[/B] who is going to be in charge and call the shots the way [B]HE[/B] sees fit. Of course, this only works if you have the right guy put in place. (Please, Please, Please don't put Doug Williams into this role.) Set up a clear chain of command and let the people do their job. Look what Dorsey has done in Cleveland.

If Snyder goes on to hire another Business Exec to "Team up" with what we already have in place, it's going to be more of the same.

Vinny Cerato, Bruce Allen.... who's next in this lineage of failure??

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I just don't believe that Dan would ever allow someone to make all of the decisions independent of him. I believe it's ultimately why every "GM" or "Team President" type person we have had here has been a total failure.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1213156]I just don't believe that Dan would ever allow someone to make all of the decisions independent of him. I believe it's ultimately why every "GM" or "Team President" type person we have had here has been a total failure.[/quote]

That's why this team is royally f#cked. But the funny thing is I see Jerry Jones the same way, and they are winning right now.

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Most, if not all of the owners are involved to some degree. This idea that the owner just sits in the box and cuts the checks is a little naïve.

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The more Gruden speaks the more pathetic he sounds. He sounds like he runs the team without any discipline whatsoever. I wonder what would happen if Gruden was replaced by the reincarnation of Vince Lomabardi?

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I have an unconventional theory about football operations since DS took over. The biggest problem DS has operationally is that he has been too loyal to the person designated to run the team - Cerrato then Allen.

The only hope I have for the future is that at some point he hires a legit football person and shows the same loyalty. Other than that it is Fargo bleak looking forward.

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Lets get something straight. This team has been thoroughly out coached with or without the injuries. Keep in mind our offense was pure shit before the injuries. Jay Gruden is not a good offensive coach, nor does he have an eye for talent. It was his idea to get rid of Desean Jackson and Garcon. And since that time our offense has been below average. Since Gruden has been here our running game has been below average. If AP wasn't playing out of his mind our running game would probably be ranked near the bottom just like all the years since he's been here. The defense doesn't have any injuries and they still suck. I know a lot of you are going to say, "we'll Jay doesn't coach the defense." But he hired the guy who coach the defense! He hired both Joe Barry and Greg Manusky. Under Jay's leadership I've seen this team get outcoached, outplayed, and outclassed in the vast majority of big games we've had since he's been here. So hell he needs to go. As far as I'm concern he should have never got hired. He hasn't done anything in the league that warrants him being a HC.

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[quote=httr198020;1214362]Lets get something straight. This team has been thoroughly out coached with or without the injuries. Keep in mind our offense was pure shit before the injuries. Jay Gruden is not a good offensive coach, nor does he have an eye for talent. It was his idea to get rid of Desean Jackson and Garcon. And since that time our offense has been below average. Since Gruden has been here our running game has been below average. If AP wasn't playing out of his mind our running game would probably be ranked near the bottom just like all the years since he's been here. The defense doesn't have any injuries and they still suck. I know a lot of you are going to say, "we'll Jay doesn't coach the defense." But he hired the guy who coach the defense! He hired both Joe Barry and Greg Manusky. Under Jay's leadership I've seen this team get outcoached, outplayed, and outclassed in the vast majority of big games we've had since he's been here. So hell he needs to go. As far as I'm concern he should have never got hired. He hasn't done anything in the league that warrants him being a HC.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly....he's about to conclude his 5th NFL season as the Redskins head coach and the Redskins have only been to the playoffs only once in those 5 years....and in those 5 seasons Jay Gruden is still below .500... I'm at my wits end with Gruden...

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Ran across this article. Kind of makes me shrug! [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/should-the-redskins-keep-or-fire-jay-gruden-there-are-more-reasons-just-to-shrug/2018/12/24/b68f4e6c-07b7-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9f1040fafcf9"]Should Jay Gruden Be Fired?[/URL]

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It would be interesting to see what could have happened the last 2 years without the absurd amount of injuries. Got to think they've taken away 2-3 wins in each season.

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[quote=metalskins;1214649]Ran across this article. Kind of makes me shrug! [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/should-the-redskins-keep-or-fire-jay-gruden-there-are-more-reasons-just-to-shrug/2018/12/24/b68f4e6c-07b7-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9f1040fafcf9"]Should Jay Gruden Be Fired?[/URL][/quote]

I read that article too. Every single team that will be looking for a head coach has more to offer than we do, except maybe Cincinnati. It might be worth waiting. To me the biggest issue is consistency. Good coaches don't get blown out the way or as often as Gruden does.

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I don't want to drag Swearinger's words into every thread, but I thought this bit about practices was very telling. And it should be a strike against Gruden. However, with the amount of injuries we've had I'm alright giving Gruden another year if it means Allen is gone. I'm not ok with the status quo remaining though.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/24/i-dont-have-words-this-highlights-dj-swearingers-revealing-radio-interview/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.951adec99b12&wpisrc=nl_dcsportsbog&wpmm=1[/url]

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On whether the Redskins need to work harder in practice: “Man, I’m not a Redskin anymore. Like I said, I’ve been on a team that has went to the playoffs, and [I’ve been on a team that] went 3-13 and I know the formula that Bruce Arians had [with the Arizona Cardinals]. And it was a successful formula. We practiced 10 times harder than we did here. You know, it’s kind of crazy that every time a player that comes here from another team, they’re like ‘Man, this is so laid-back.’ But I guess that’s just what type of practices we have: We have laid-back practices. Every teammate of my old that comes here, they ask me ‘Damn, bro, why is practice so laid-back, why are we just chillin’ out here?' But I guess that’s just the formula that this team has. And it would be less of a man of me to stoop down to the mediocre when I’m not a mediocre guy. I don’t like practicing mediocre, I don’t like preparing mediocre. And that’s sort of the thing I guess that hurt me and got me released, but if that’s the type of man that I am, to not accept mediocre, then I can live with that. I can live with being released and live with wanting to win and be a winner. I can live with it.”
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Should we even ask this question? Jesus God help us!

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Swearinger has also mentioned laid back practices and poor preparation....this team isn't where it is only because of injuries....substandard coaching is involved too....it's no wonder Gruden is 31-31-1 since 2015....he won't give you an embarrassingly losing season....but he doesn't give you 12-4 seasons either....for how much longer will average be accepted?
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[quote=mooby;1214658]I don't want to drag Swearinger's words into every thread, but I thought this bit about practices was very telling. And it should be a strike against Gruden. However, with the amount of injuries we've had I'm alright giving Gruden another year if it means Allen is gone. I'm not ok with the status quo remaining though.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/24/i-dont-have-words-this-highlights-dj-swearingers-revealing-radio-interview/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.951adec99b12&wpisrc=nl_dcsportsbog&wpmm=1[/url][/quote]

You can't accuse him of being salty because he said these things while he was here.

Let's not forget that a few weeks ago Gruden said in a press conference that the players were complaining about extra practice time when they needed to get Sanchez up to speed.
Gruden should've handled that internally and not let that out to the media.

Jay is in way over his head and doesn't know how to prepare NFL players.

In regards to injuries, I believe our guys aren't ready for physicality of an NFL game because they don't do enough hitting in training camp.
This is why players that join a team later in the year always seem to get injured.

Some players have complained that training camp was too easy and injuries are a result of that.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1213165]That's why this team is royally f#cked. But the funny thing is I see Jerry Jones the same way, and they are winning right now.[/quote]

Jerruh is the GM, but he also has forgotten more about football than DS will ever know.

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I hate to say it, but Swearinger being released (as supposed to suspended) with only one game left in the season is an indication that both Gruden and Allen feel very secure in their jobs. Snyder likely would not have allowed the move if he were planning to clean house.


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[QUOTE=jamf;1214663]You can't accuse him of being salty because he said these things while he was here.[/QUOTE]

That's the one thing I do admire him for while still disagreeing with it.

He put his name on the quotes. There have been so many anonymous sources taking shots at coaches and teammates the last few years.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1214669]That's the one thing I do admire him for while still disagreeing with it.

He put his name on the quotes. There have been so many anonymous sources taking shots at coaches and teammates the last few years.

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I respect it a hell of a lot more the Mason Foster airing that shit in private.

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If Gruden gets canned here are some candidates:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001004510/article/nfl-head-coach-candidates-names-to-know-for-this-hiring-cycle[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1214673]I respect it a hell of a lot more the Mason Foster airing that shit in private.[/quote]

This. For better or worse he stamped his name on it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1214684]If Gruden gets canned here are some candidates:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001004510/article/nfl-head-coach-candidates-names-to-know-for-this-hiring-cycle[/url][/quote]

The link no longer works....

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/platform/amp/2018/12/29/18160696/redskins-roster-moves-its-week-17-and-washington-finally-has-a-fullback?utm_campaign=hogshaven&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true[/url]

This is the kinda crap that really ticks me off about Jay.

VD and Jordan can't or won't block for crap but for 4 years now Jay has depended on them making blocks in Callahan's super fantastic run scheme.

Can you imagine what our run game would look like without AP?

All the while, the better half of the league can pick up a street FA who can fall forward for 4 yards.

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And I'm definitely not saying Holtz or whoever is more talented that VD or Reed, just that those guys have been misused and put in bad schematic situations the entire time they have been here under Jay.

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I don't get not having a fullback or Hback on the team. That guy usually can do multiple things, play offense, block, catch, carry the ball a couple times and play on a lot of the teams stuff. A Mike Sellers type. It's not just here but a lot of teams around the league don't carry them anymore.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1215136]I don't get not having a fullback or Hback on the team. That guy usually can do multiple things, play offense, block, catch, carry the ball a couple times and play on a lot of the teams stuff. A Mike Sellers type. It's not just here but a lot of teams around the league don't carry them anymore.[/QUOTE]I like a fullback too. It's definitely not a requirement in the modern NFL.

What is so darn frustrating with this coaching staff is the refusal to use one in the face of our TE's getting blown up on a weekly basis.



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