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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/5/2/18526550/the-scot-mccloughan-not-so-midas-touch[/url]

great article. It does not justify the team's handling of McCloughan's departure by any means, but the results speak for themselves. We've done better acquiring talent without him.

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I have been wondering if the positioning of Doug Williams has to do with keeping personalities in check and facilitating team work in the front office.....

He seems like the type of guy people would talk to and more importantly listen to. I cant remember a sliver of me first ego out of Doug, just genuine humility.

Bottom line is there has been real improvement since Mr Smith went to Washington (both Sr and Jr) and it has been quite enjoyable.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1223274][URL]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/5/2/18526550/the-scot-mccloughan-not-so-midas-touch[/URL]

great article. It does not justify the team's handling of McCloughan's departure by any means, but the results speak for themselves. We've done better acquiring talent without him.[/quote]


This is a stretch.

Probably written by Bruce Allen.


2017 Draft: Drafted 10 players, only 1 starter

2018 Draft: Drafted 8 Players, only 2 starters assuming Guice makes it back.



We aren't going to win many games with a roster full of backups.

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Loving the Martin pick, I think he will be the biggest rookie surprise.

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Farm-boy-Wes-Martin-brings-incredible-work-ethic-to-the-Redskins-131731197/[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223194]Incorrect. Gruden is going into his 6th season.[/quote]

I failed math in the third grade.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1223288]Loving the Martin pick, I think he will be the biggest rookie surprise.

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Farm-boy-Wes-Martin-brings-incredible-work-ethic-to-the-Redskins-131731197/[/url][/quote]

What I loved in his highlights, on top of the strength, the pancakes blocks, and the sustained all day long blocks, is that I think he'll be able to learn blocking schemes really fast because on a lot of plays he was switching from one defender to another with incredible smoothness and vision.
He sure was passing stunts better than Lauvao.

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[quote=jamf;1223281]This is a stretch.

We aren't going to win many games with a roster full of backups.[/quote]

Too simplistic a view, especially in light of injuries we suffered. Every year you expect to lose 5-10 starters to FA, so every team will look to replace them in at least 3 ways, not 1; promoting #2's, FA and draft. Maybe more FA/UDFA after the draft and maybe even preseason trades.

That means that if you just start out with your base 7 picks, you are unlikely to replace starters with all of your draft picks. Plenty of picks don't pan out and plenty take 2-3 years to establish themselves and become regular starters. If you get 2-3 starters in your class, and especially in Y1 then you're doing OK.

If I am right, every one of our 2017 & 18 picks are still with the team, which is something in itself, and as of right now, 6 from our last 4 drafts are down as starters (I know I include Doctson but its still a fact). If you figure in Haskins, Sweat and McLaurin will likely be starters this year or next, and if Quinn can get and hold the slot position, that's potentially 10 starters minimum from last 4 drafts.

We don't even know if we've found a diamond in the rough or two with our last draft, until we see what camp looks like. I wouldn't be surprised to see our last 5 picks getting significant playing time despite coming in rounds 5-7.

All in all, its too early to tell, but I think we've done pretty well from the last 4 drafts, and the last 3 particularly.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1223288]Loving the Martin pick, I think he will be the biggest rookie surprise.

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Farm-boy-Wes-Martin-brings-incredible-work-ethic-to-the-Redskins-131731197/[/url][/quote]

Having Scherff in the building to mentor him is HUGE. If Martin can just play as well as an [I]average [/I]NFL LG our line should be solid, barring any injuries.

I'm trying to keep my expectations tempered, but the Redskins might surprise some people this year.

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[url]https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2019/5/2/18527398/raiders-release-tight-end-lee-smith-on-same-day-they-sign-4th-round-te-foster-moreau[/url]

One of the best blocking TE in the League last year and overall in the past 10 years, just got released. Go get him now Bruce and cut VD. NOW

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[quote=sevier2;1223301]Having Scherff in the building to mentor him is HUGE. If Martin can just play as well as an [I]average [/I]NFL LG our line should be solid, barring any injuries.

I'm trying to keep my expectations tempered, but the Redskins might surprise some people this year.[/quote]

On paper the roster is stacked, let’s see the production. On another subject, the Eagles signed Zack Brown to an already stacked roster

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[quote=sevier2;1223301]Having Scherff in the building to mentor him is HUGE. If Martin can just play as well as an [I]average [/I]NFL LG our line should be solid, barring any injuries.

I'm trying to keep my expectations tempered, but the Redskins might surprise some people this year.[/quote]

Scherff is in the last year of his contract. We will see if they can resign him.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1223306]Scherff is in the last year of his contract. We will see if they can resign him.[/quote]

I don't see how Redskins will let him walk away

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[quote=GridIron26;1223309]I don't see how Redskins will let him walk away[/quote]

It's not too late to extend him, is it?

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[quote=GridIron26;1223309]I don't see how Redskins will let him walk away[/quote]

I don't either but you never know with this FO. I would love to see him get an extension in the next month or so and put this to bed before it becomes any sort of distraction.

He's proven his worth, lock him up.

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[quote=GridIron26;1223309]I don't see how Redskins will let him walk away[/quote]

Are they going to pay him more than Trent? ($14 million) How much can they afford? They will still be paying Alex Smith in 2020. They will need CB#1 . . TE#1. . . FS#1. I assume Norman and Reed will be cut.

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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-most-improved-nfl-teams-in-each-division-after-the-2019-nfl-draft[/url]

NFC EAST – WASHINGTON REDSKINS
To stand pat at 15 overall and still get their guy in Dwayne Haskins, Washington hit a home run in the first round. The Ohio State quarterback showed more than enough in his one year as a starter to be worthy of a top-10 pick and to not have to forfeit any draft capital to secure him was one of our favorite picks of the draft. From there, Montez Sweat has the talent to seamlessly replace Preston Smith on the right side of their defensive line while Terry McLaurin reunites with his QB to bring a deep threat they haven’t had since Desean Jackson left. I’d also be remiss if I didn’t mention seventh-round cornerback Jimmy Moreland out of James Madison, who was our favorite slot cornerback in the draft.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223317][url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-most-improved-nfl-teams-in-each-division-after-the-2019-nfl-draft[/url]

NFC EAST – WASHINGTON REDSKINS
To stand pat at 15 overall and still get their guy in Dwayne Haskins, Washington hit a home run in the first round. The Ohio State quarterback showed more than enough in his one year as a starter to be worthy of a top-10 pick and to not have to forfeit any draft capital to secure him was one of our favorite picks of the draft. From there, Montez Sweat has the talent to seamlessly replace Preston Smith on the right side of their defensive line while Terry McLaurin reunites with his QB to bring a deep threat they haven’t had since Desean Jackson left.[B] I’d also be remiss if I didn’t mention seventh-round cornerback Jimmy Moreland out of James Madison, who was our favorite slot cornerback in the draft[/B].[/quote]

We needed a slot corner bad, got gashed second half of last year. Moreau, stroman got handled there.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223318]We needed a slot corner bad, got gashed second half of last year. Moreau, stroman got handled there.[/quote]

Yes they did, I think CB is our best group though

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1223297]Too simplistic a view, especially in light of injuries we suffered. Every year you expect to lose 5-10 starters to FA, so every team will look to replace them in at least 3 ways, not 1; promoting #2's, FA and draft. Maybe more FA/UDFA after the draft and maybe even preseason trades.

That means that if you just start out with your base 7 picks, you are unlikely to replace starters with all of your draft picks. Plenty of picks don't pan out and plenty take 2-3 years to establish themselves and become regular starters. If you get 2-3 starters in your class, and especially in Y1 then you're doing OK.

If I am right, every one of our 2017 & 18 picks are still with the team, which is something in itself, and as of right now, 6 from our last 4 drafts are down as starters (I know I include Doctson but its still a fact). If you figure in Haskins, Sweat and McLaurin will likely be starters this year or next, and if Quinn can get and hold the slot position, that's potentially 10 starters minimum from last 4 drafts.

We don't even know if we've found a diamond in the rough or two with our last draft, until we see what camp looks like. I wouldn't be surprised to see our last 5 picks getting significant playing time despite coming in rounds 5-7.

All in all, its too early to tell, but I think we've done pretty well from the last 4 drafts, and the last 3 particularly.[/quote]


The injuries created more opportunities for young players to get playing time but very few if any took advantage of it.

Perine is on the team but never took advantage of his carries.

Nicholson is my man-crush because of his elite talent but can't tackle for shit. We had to bring in veterans to fill voids those wasted draft picks couldn't fulfill(Peterson and Dix). With all the injuries to Reed, where was Sprinkle?
Ryan Anderson is more productive at fullback than OLB and couldn't replace a guy that played damn near every snap yet only managed 4 sacks.



Let me simplify things even further for you.
Since the 2015 NFL Draft, the only player drafted outside of the first round that played at a high level last year is Matt Ioannidis.



24 guys drafted from 2015 to 2018 after the first round, only 1 has played well consistently. The rest are all hope or hype guys.


Guys need to start stepping up.
I'm tired of 400yard WRs and mediocre pass rushers.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223319]Yes they did, I think CB is our best group though[/quote]

Umm. What?

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# 2

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001029943/article/2019-nfl-draft-class-rankings-cardinals-redskins-titans-thrive[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1223333]# 2

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001029943/article/2019-nfl-draft-class-rankings-cardinals-redskins-titans-thrive[/url][/quote]

Well, we’ve been called #2 for sometime now

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1223333]# 2

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001029943/article/2019-nfl-draft-class-rankings-cardinals-redskins-titans-thrive[/url][/quote]

See if it rated #2 in 3 years. You never know.

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I saw rotowire did a ranking of the Udfa class for each team...I didn’t click on it. But seriously, these media guys need to put the crack down...just worthless content

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1223340]Well, we’ve been called #2 for sometime now[/QUOTE]LOL [emoji16] [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190504/14b3a14509afce32ad6f0281cc413129.jpg[/IMG]

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R.J. White of cbssports.com ranked all draft day trades. Here's the trade he ranked #1:

[B]1. Redskins add extra first-round talent[/B]

Redskins get No. 26 (OLB Sweat)
Colts get No. 46, 2020 2nd

From a value perspective, this is the best deal of the draft, as it should have cost Washington more to move up 20 picks and back into the first round. That's not a major knock on the Colts -- they obviously missed out on the guy they were eyeing at No. 26 and decided that Redskins pick could end up being high next year. But Washington spends to go get a prospect they could have drafted at No. 15 without many people having a gripe, especially when it was reported Montez Sweat's medical issues were a little overblown.

Sweat was a home-run pick at No. 26, and the Redskins paid a bargain-bin price to get up to that spot and get him. That's what makes this the best trade of the 2019 NFL Draft.

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You get out of the 1st round with both a potential franchise QB and franchise EDGE rusher, there is no way not to be jacked up. It's just as much a homerun now as it was on draft night.

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[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/04/eli-manning-has-had-no-response-to-the-drafting-of-daniel-jones/"]Eli Manning has had “no response” to the drafting of Daniel Jones[/URL]

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/5/4/18529205/kelvin-harmon-could-be-a-tremendous-slot-receiver-should-the-redskins-roll-the-dice[/url]

Love the idea of having this dude in slot in 11 personnel killing the cb on runs.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1223366][url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/5/4/18529205/kelvin-harmon-could-be-a-tremendous-slot-receiver-should-the-redskins-roll-the-dice[/url]

Love the idea of having this dude in slot in 11 personnel killing the cb on runs.

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I say no to having Harmon work out of the slot for any significant number of plays because skinny-ass Paul Richardson will be hurt and on IR after a couple of games so McLaurin will need to play the Y and Harmon will be needed at the X to keep Bust Doctson off the field. Is that cynical enough for you? I'll go take my medicine now.

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# 28

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001028927/article/nfl-power-rankings-new-orleans-saints-on-top-after-2019-draft[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1223380]# 28

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001028927/article/nfl-power-rankings-new-orleans-saints-on-top-after-2019-draft[/url][/quote]

I love everything about it, from being severe underdogs to the Bob Seger shout out.

[YT]GONmFCkCGCc[/YT]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1223380]# 28

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001028927/article/nfl-power-rankings-new-orleans-saints-on-top-after-2019-draft[/url][/quote]

I wish they would have said 32, those expert assholes know nothing, this Redskins team will contend and make the playoffs.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1223382]I wish they would have said 32, those expert assholes know nothing, this Redskins team will contend and make the playoffs.[/quote]

I write my own power rankings, on the toilet paper in my bathroom. The difference between mine and theirs is they make money off theirs through clicks. Both of ours hold the same weight in NFL locker rooms though.

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[quote=mooby;1223385]I write my own power rankings, on the toilet paper in my bathroom. The difference between mine and theirs is they make money off theirs through clicks. Both of ours hold the same weight in NFL locker rooms though.[/quote]

Lol :Flush:

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[quote=los panda;1223357][URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/04/eli-manning-has-had-no-response-to-the-drafting-of-daniel-jones/"]Eli Manning has had “no response” to the drafting of Daniel Jones[/URL][/quote]

Eli is going to crush Jones in the pre-season competition. Eli will play QB all season, which is good for the 'skins because he's on the downside of his career.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/video/new-faces-redskins-kyle-smith-talking-dwayne-haskins[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1223380]# 28

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001028927/article/nfl-power-rankings-new-orleans-saints-on-top-after-2019-draft[/url][/quote]

The Steelers at #18, that is a good one, ever since Big Ben was QB they have never been below .500. New England at #2? I have a feeling Brady is going to get swallowed by father time this year.

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[quote=Warthog;1223407]Eli is going to crush Jones in the pre-season competition. Eli will play QB all season, which is good for the 'skins because he's on the downside of his career.[/quote]

The Gmen are in a somewhat similar situation to the Patriots, where they have a SB winning QB in the twilight of his career, who will only leave under his own terms. The difference of course is that Brady keeps winning, so that's not an issue.

Unless it comes directly from ownership, Jones will not see the field in 2019.

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