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[QUOTE=httr198020;1224337]You might think he's great but to me he's average. Am I lying about him being abused by Vernon? You on his balls so hard you won't even face reality. Maybe he banged you that is why you're on his dick so hard.[/QUOTE]



You got me. Damn. Yup. He banged me and that is why I think he is great. Well at least i was fooling y’all for a few years pretending it was performance (on field- not in the sack) based.

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Ill be shocked if TW ever sets foot on the field in a Skins uniform again. So Reuben Foster, Trent Williams both gone. Barely June. Who cares why. This organization is a train-wreck. Lol
Our LT is gone, our rookie QB is gonna get his ass handed to him, it will all come back one way or another to something BA did or didn’t do or say, .....and than BA will get a promotion. Go us.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1224393]I don’t know, Moses is saying what JLC is saying.



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If Trent doesn’t come back, Scherff to LT, Martin at LG, Piersbacher at RG. scherff was a hell of a LT in college.



[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/06/05/trent-williams-absence-redskins-camp-related-frustration-over-medical-treatment/[/url][/QUOTE]The G/C from Alabama is no where near a starter and hopefully he doesn't see the field.

He is depth at best this year he doesn't have the strength to handle NFL DT yet.



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[quote=DYoungJelly;1224397]The G/C from Alabama is no where near a starter and hopefully he doesn't see the field.

He is depth at best this year he doesn't have the strength to handle NFL DT yet.



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When ur desperate, u got no choice. Hopefully Trent comes back, who knows what happened with the team doctors tp piss him off.

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Moses backing up the JLC story is a bit shocking. I was hoping it was typical JLC bullshit.

When a player like TW speaks out, you need to listen.
Hopefully him demanding a trade/cut was just a way to get the attention of the team and the league.

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[quote=jamf;1224399]Moses backing up the JLC story is a bit shocking. I was hoping it was typical JLC bullshit.

When a player like TW speaks out, you need to listen.
Hopefully him demanding a trade/cut was just a way to get the attention of the team and the league.[/quote]

This fucking team and how it handle its injured players is pathetic and now it’s catching up.

Another Danny and Bruce debacle if true. Which wouldn’t surprise if it is...Keim says he has heard concerns before...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1224393]I don’t know, Moses is saying what JLC is saying.

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If Trent doesn’t come back, Scherff to LT, Martin at LG, Piersbacher at RG. scherff was a hell of a LT in college.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/06/05/trent-williams-absence-redskins-camp-related-frustration-over-medical-treatment/[/url][/quote]

Well there are two sides to every story but this can't look good for the Redskins. They just continue to take one PR hit after another.

As far as Scherff at LT, no way. He doesn't have the quickness to play out there. We drafted Christian to play tackle so let him do it.

I have a feeling once the season gets closer this will all be forgotten. Maybe the Redskins give him another million dollars to sooth things over.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=punch it in;1224395]You got me. Damn. Yup. He banged me and that is why I think he is great. Well at least i was fooling y’all for a few years pretending it was performance (on field- not in the sack) based.[/quote] Alright, I'll admit he's great player and has been for many years. I'm just pissed off that he's doing this now. We finally got a team that looks like they can really compete. All of a sudden he wants out?

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=punch it in;1224395]You got me. Damn. Yup. He banged me and that is why I think he is great. Well at least i was fooling y’all for a few years pretending it was performance (on field- not in the sack) based.[/QUOTE]Very brave. 1st step towards healing. Congrats.

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What is the deal w/ Christian? Apparently he's still in a brace. He didn't tear an ACL. Also what happened to Colt????????????????

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1224398]When ur desperate, u got no choice. Hopefully Trent comes back, who knows what happened with the team doctors tp piss him off.[/QUOTE]If losing one offensive lineman, even though he is our best (arguably considering availability), makes us desperate, then we aren't winning jack anyway.

See the eagles with Layne Johnson's and Jason Peters' availability they managed.

If our situation is truly that pitiful, you're really making the case to blow it up and trade him for picks.

AND really making the case to fire our GM.

We've been constantly rebuilding.

I would rather be picking top 5 next year than top 15. (When the season starts and the cool aid starts flowing I'm totally going to change this position but reason dictates the present take.)

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1224403]Very brave. 1st step towards healing. Congrats.

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I hope you all understand that I will have to follow my man to whatever team he decides to play for.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1224400]This fucking team and how it handle its injured players is pathetic and now it’s catching up.



Another Danny and Bruce debacle if true. Which wouldn’t surprise if it is...Keim says he has heard concerns before...[/QUOTE]



Yup. Another, not so small, example of total mismanagement.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1224404]What is the deal w/ Christian? Apparently he's still in a brace. He didn't tear an ACL. Also what happened to Colt????????????????[/QUOTE]Colt hurt his leg in Dallas, he's done anyway

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This thread should be titled the off-season over-reaction thread.

Let me know if Trent holds out when it costs him actual money. Or when he bashes the front office for his medical treatment. Until then, JLC and Morgan Moses don't have near enough street cred to make this a real story.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1224409]This thread should be titled the off-season over-reaction thread.



Let me know if Trent holds out when it costs him actual money. Or when he bashes the front office for his medical treatment. Until then, JLC and Morgan Moses don't have near enough street cred to make this a real story.[/QUOTE]



Im pretty sure TW has enough in his savings account to hold out. Lol. And not sure what street cred has to do with a teammate knowing the scoop but I hope you are right. Ill stick with my gut and say he is done.

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My guess is at end of season he was checked out by team doc and the growth was there and the team doc down played it ..nothing to worry about etc.. then he gets a second opinion and they believe at that point it is way more serious and it scares him .. but what I dont get is this...we are being told that it was not serious and the growth was removed ... okay so what’s the issue?? ( I’m totally speculating like everybody else but if this is really about the handling of the growth and it was in the end nothing serious why all the uproar?? Do any of you believe this could be related to any drug test forthcoming? There is something more to this ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1224411]My guess is at end of season he was checked out by team doc and the growth was there and the team doc down played it ..nothing to worry about etc.. then he gets a second opinion and they believe at that point it is way more serious and it scares him .. but what I dont get is this...we are being told that it was not serious and the growth was removed ... okay so what’s the issue?? ( I’m totally speculating like everybody else but if this is really about the handling of the growth and it was in the end nothing serious why all the uproar?? Do any of you believe this could be related to any drug test forthcoming? There is something more to this ..[/QUOTE]



Not speculating at all about why. I have no idea. Just know that it is the Skins so it will turn out as terrible as possible and will ultimately be because of complete mismanagement of something. Again a result of the fish rotting from the head down.
Im going to say no to the drug test, because even if that were forthcoming and he knew it was bad how would any of this right that ship? It is 110 percent believable that this organization mismanaged a situation and pissed him off. Wouldn’t be the first time, and it will not be the last. Not as long as Captain yacht rock is running the show.

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I agree that all of this starts at the top ... a culture of mistrust and back stabbing of bad decisions .. now one of our best players has had enough ! We take one step forward and two steps back... same old stuff

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Put in a claim on Desmond Harrison now.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1224411]My guess is at end of season he was checked out by team doc and the growth was there and the team doc down played it ..nothing to worry about etc.. then he gets a second opinion and they believe at that point it is way more serious and it scares him .. but what I dont get is this...we are being told that it was not serious and the growth was removed ... okay so what’s the issue?? ( I’m totally speculating like everybody else but if this is really about the handling of the growth and it was in the end nothing serious why all the uproar?? Do any of you believe this could be related to any drug test forthcoming? There is something more to this ..[/QUOTE]



You don’t think a cancer scare is a big deal for someone?


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There isn't enough information for me to form an opinion either way. Besides, I've become acclimated to the constant turmoil that is the NFL. Both sides will do what they do and we'll move on.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1224416]There isn't enough information for me to form an opinion either way. Besides, I've become acclimated to the constant turmoil that is the [B]Redskins[/B]. Both sides will do what they do and we'll move on.[/quote]

Fixed it for u

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The poll choice above is too over simplified - Pay hm or trade him.
This decision for the team and TW will depend on whether he wants to come back, if so how much he wants, will the be willing to pay and lastly TW's health.
He is under contract so this makes for drama.
However there seems to be a disconnect between the players and the coaches/team doctors and the front office. This needs to get fixed yesterday. Big F for the team to have their best players upset at the way this was handled. But it could get fixed.
Last years debacle of a season has exposed some serious dysfunction in the relationship between the players and the coaches/FO.
What immediately comes to mind is the players that complained about out inept Defensive coordinator all have been cut. Players should have a forum to complain about coaching issues [B][U]privately[/U][/B] and not lose their job. Seems kind of petty/

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[quote=punch it in;1224414]Put in a claim on Desmond Harrison now.[/quote]

Saw this late last night and thought the same.thing

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1224417]Fixed it for u[/quote]

No, you didn't. It's an NFL problem. Just look at the recent issues the Raiders, Steelers and Giants had with some of their stars.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1224420]No, you didn't. It's an NFL problem. Just look at the recent issues the Raiders, Steelers and Giants had with some of their stars.[/quote]

Yeah I know but the skins always have drama

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[quote=punch it in;1224414]Put in a claim on Desmond Harrison now.[/quote]

Agreed.

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[quote=MTK;1224415]You don’t think a cancer scare is a big deal for someone?


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If course its a big deal! I’m saying if he is upset with the skins doctor is it because they told him it was not serious (which it turned out to be not serious) OR they told him it was serious and scared him! In the end thankfully he will be okay.. until he talks to media nobody really knows.. he has team mates making statements.. I wish Trent would clear it up himself .

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1224416]There isn't enough information for me to form an opinion either way. Besides, I've become acclimated to the constant turmoil that is the NFL. Both sides will do what they do and we'll move on.[/quote]

This is exactly how i feel, as it relates to the rumors regarding why TW is holding out. They have been all over the place. Some fans are taking a rumor that TW is unhappy about some aspect of the medical care he received for his tumor and cheering TW on as if he is a champion for standing up for himself.

There are three sides to every story. One side, the other side, and then the truth. In this case, we have don't have ANY of the above. We certainly don't have the truth. The redskins haven't said anything. Trent hasn't said anything - from his side all we have are unspecific rumors that provide no details as to what occurred or what, exactly, his potential gripe with the team is.

To "pick a side" at this point and champion it blindly is incredibly stupid.

The only facts we know at this point are that TW:
- Has been one of, if not the best, player on this team for nearly a decade
- has a significant injury history
- is 31
- has 2 years on his contract remaining
- is holding out of camp for a variety of reasons
- two players close to him (AP and Moses) have given completely conflicting reports on why he's not present.
- his coach wants him back

That is really all we KNOW at this point. Based on that, we can hypothetically discuss what his "financial worth" is at this point in his career, but that's it. We simply don't have enough information to "pick a side" as it relates to who has wronged who (if anyone).

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[quote=MTK;1224415]You don’t think a cancer scare is a big deal for someone?


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If the reported story is true about TW needing to get a second opinion that is strange considering it was a Redskin team doctor. I can see an HMO doctor telling Joe Sixpack the growth is nothing and if they want it removed it would be considered elective surgery, not covered by insurance and done outside the network. Not sure how medical coverage for NFL players works, but we all know the Redskin's and TW could pay for such surgery out of the petty cash fund. TW should have been given a referral to someone to see about removal of the growth and having it tested, if the team doctor doesn't provide such services.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/admit-it-or-not-trent-williams-holdout-major-distraction-redskins[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1224421]Yeah I know but the skins always have drama[/quote]

And the Jets, Browns, and Raiders don't always have drama?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1224428]And the Jets, Browns, and Raiders don't always have drama?[/quote]

Yes but still sucks to be apart of that list

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1224429]Yes but still sucks to be apart of that list[/quote]

But the point is, we're not the only team with drama. Hell, even the perfect Pittsburgh Steelers went through a year of drama with their two best players.

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I think Grant Paulson on the radio this morning had the best take about the situation....Yes Trent may be upset how the Skins didn't communicate the proper urgency with the growth on head, and it probably scared him to death once he found out. BUT to think the Skins would be purposely negligent with their most valuable player of the last 10 year is silly.

While the anger is probably real its most likely overblown, leverage play for a bigger deal especially with the limited amount of guaranteed money after this year. Forget the handling of the injury...look at the fact Trent has missed time do to injury recently, if he gets injured and misses time again this season, he could be cut will little impact to the cap next offseason. Then he faces a new deal with a lot of questions: Injury prone, turning 32 before the 2020 season. Trent and his agent at the minimum are trying to squeeze some more guarantee money attached to the end of the deal or trying to maximize an extension with the team.

one thing is for sure, its highly, highly unlikely Trent will sit out and miss game checks of nearly a million per.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224431]I think Grant Paulson on the radio this morning had the best take about the situation....Yes Trent may be upset how the Skins didn't communicate the proper urgency with the growth on head, and it probably scared him to death once he found out. BUT to think the Skins would be purposely negligent with their most valuable player of the last 10 year is silly.
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Agreed. I also would want to understand why Trent is relying on team doctors to treat a potential tumor on his scalp. If I had a tumor on my scalp, id go see a dermatologist and have them look at it. If they were worried about it, they'd order a biopsy and/or refer to an oncologist of some kind.

We definitely need more information because Trents being angry at the team doctors does not seem rational given the facts we have. It could be there are other facts we don't have that would completely change the story, though.

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Ross Tucker on the Morning drive this morning said "The Redskins would be crazy to trade Trent Williams"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1224433]Ross Tucker on the Morning drive this morning said "The Redskins would be crazy to trade Trent Williams"[/quote]

Its obviously not something they want to do. However, IF the rumors are true that this is not about money and has vowed to never play for the team again and he's committed to sitting out indefinitely, even if it costs him game checks, then what other choice do they have?

I hope the situation is not as dire as some reports, but if Trent really is determined, he can force them to trade him by refusing to withhold his services.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1224434]Its obviously not something they want to do. However, IF the rumors are true that this is not about money and has vowed to never play for the team again and he's committed to sitting out indefinitely, even if it costs him game checks, then what other choice do they have?

I hope the situation is not as dire as some reports, but if Trent really is determined, he can force them to trade him by refusing to withhold his services.[/quote]

unless they get best value for him I'd say fuck em. Go ahead and sit out and smoke weed dude. You'll be a year older and a lineman who hasn't played in an NFL game in a year. Someone would sign him but would he get a great deal of money? This isn't L. Bell we're talking about here.......

( if the "not about money" reports are true )