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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1238019]It’s a no brainer for Snyder, he knows the fans hate Allen, attendance and ticket sales are down in the toilet. Snyder knows he needs to do something, he has too.[/quote]

Also, I'm sure the "sell the team" chant hurt Snyder's feelings..

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[quote=GridIron26;1238021]Also, I'm sure the "sell the team" chant hurt Snyder's feelings..[/quote]

I think the bigger factor maybe every big name coach he has approached has said "hell no, not while Bruce is in charge"

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[quote=GridIron26;1238021]Also, I'm sure the "sell the team" chant hurt Snyder's feelings..[/quote]

Good. More than anything he had to have been embarrassed that his fan base is talking directly to the person who refuses to talk to them. He got hit in the nuts. He couldn't hide from that chant. He couldn't hide behind his cronies.

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I'm not encouraged by the rumors about Bruce Allen's possible firing Because I know that Dan Snyder is capable of screwing up any and everything relating to football operations. Here is the kind of Snyder numbskull thinking I expect to manifest itself at the end of the season:

- Snyder will inform Bruce Allen that once a new head of football operations is in place Bruce will be moved to role that doesn't involve football decisions. BUT first he has some things he needs Bruce to do while he's still making football decisions.

- First, Bruce and Dan need to decide which assistant coaches to keep and which ones to let go.

- Then, Bruce needs to prepare to run the draft. But Bruce needn't concern himself with the Redskins First Round pick because Dan plans to trade that and Terry McLaurin to Pittsburgh for Coach Mike Tomlin.

- After Coach/GM Tomlin is on board, Bruce can move on to his new role and begin planning his campaign to undermine Tomlin.

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Multiple league sources have pointed to former Chiefs GM Scott Pioli and former Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels as possible candidates there. Jags ownership has long studied New England's success; Pioli and McDaniels have deep Patriots roots, and ownership has been impressed by their work in the past, sources said -- with increasing chatter about them in NFL circles in recent weeks.

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I think there might be some truth to the rumors, because keeping Bruce around is probably hurting the bottom line. But, of course, this could backfire (like so many other off-the-field moves my Snyder)...what if Danny ends up as the de facto GM again (or more so than already). We could see Redskins 1 flying all over the country again chasing big-money free agents. Just because Bruce Allen isn't around, that doesn't mean our beloved owner will be any more responsible with the team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1238024]I'm not encouraged by the rumors about Bruce Allen's possible firing Because I know that Dan Snyder is capable of screwing up any and everything relating to football operations. Here is the kind of Snyder numbskull thinking I expect to manifest itself at the end of the season:

- Snyder will inform Bruce Allen that once a new head of football operations is in place Bruce will be moved to role that doesn't involve football decisions. BUT first he has some things he needs Bruce to do while he's still making football decisions.

- First, Bruce and Dan need to decide which assistant coaches to keep and which ones to let go.

- Then, Bruce needs to prepare to run the draft. But Bruce needn't concern himself with the Redskins First Round pick because Dan plans to trade that and Terry McLaurin to Pittsburgh for Coach Mike Tomlin.

- After Coach/GM Tomlin is on board, Bruce can move on to his new role and begin planning his campaign to undermine Tomlin.[/quote]

Pretty much how it will go down. Does anyone really trust that Snyder will actually do the right thing? The right thing would be to fire Bruce right now so he can get an early start on a GM. That way the GM can start looking at the roster while actually playing games. He can decide what front office personnel he'll keep and so forth. So in my book Snyder already isn't going about things the right way. All he's doing right now is putting some shit out to his cronies who then go to their media contacts so he can appease the fans.

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[quote=OldRiggoFan;1238026]I think there might be some truth to the rumors, because keeping Bruce around is probably hurting the bottom line. But, of course, this could backfire (like so many other off-the-field moves my Snyder)...what if Danny ends up as the de facto GM again (or more so than already). We could see Redskins 1 flying all over the country again chasing big-money free agents. Just because Bruce Allen isn't around, that doesn't mean our beloved owner will be any more responsible with the team.[/quote]

Snyder is already wealthy behind means. He's made so much money over the last 20 years. I'm not really sure he cares about the bottom line.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1238027]Pretty much how it will go down. Does anyone really trust that Snyder will actually do the right thing? The right thing would be to fire Bruce right now so he can get an early start on a GM. That way the GM can start looking at the roster while actually playing games. He can decide what front office personnel he'll keep and so forth. So in my book Snyder already isn't going about things the right way. All he's doing right now is putting some shit out to his cronies who then go to their media contacts so he can appease the fans.[/QUOTE]If Snyder is going to fire BA it will be around the 17th like Cerrato's firing. And that is the right time frame. If sooner that is ok but not critical because any good gm candidates are still working there current team until the teams playoff run is determined

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Sadly i believe winning today may have help Bruce stay here. They've won two in a row now. All the other NFC East teams have lost their games two weeks in a row, and the skins are winning.

Regardless of whether we finish 3-13, or 5-11, or even if they somehow run the tables now and finish 7-9, Bruce has the perfect explanation already prepared as to why he should stay.

He can point out that Jay went 0-5, and was also playing a quarterback that Dan & Bruce didn't want. By the time they made the coaching change, Bruce can say that Jay already had them in a hole that they could not overcome. He will bring up the continued development of Haskins. It may be enough to convince Dan to keep him (Bruce) here a little while longer.

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I don’t think a couple of wins makes it all better.


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[quote=MTK;1238241]I don’t think a couple of wins makes it all better.


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I agree with the exception that if the Skins somehow won out, it very likely would make a difference about the Front Office.

A blow out by the Packers next week might be enough to get BA out.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1238244]I agree with the exception that if the Skins somehow won out, it very likely would make a difference about the Front Office.



A blow out by the Packers next week might be enough to get BA out.[/QUOTE]


If this team somehow wins out a different discussion is definitely warranted, but Bruce still needs to go



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I will believe it when I see it regarding Allen being out. If Snyder did it and hired a real NFL gm, that would be the start of turning this franchise around.

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The Packers are a better team but not unbeatable. Their stats were on par with the Giants today, with the major exception of three turnovers. Still, Haskins will likely need to throw for more yards to win - you cannot assume 250 rushing yards each week and his < 50% completion percentage and missed deep balls will only go so far. The Packers should be heavily favored.

But Matty is dead on - Allen needs to go no matter what - even if they win out and Dallas and the Eagles implode (further) and we look like the rising team by comparison.


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[quote=MTK;1238241]I don’t think a couple of wins makes it all better.


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You're right. In reality, it certainly doesn't make it better.

But Snyder likes Bruce and certainly is looking for excuses to keep him around. Winning - especially with young players making strong contributions - supports Allen's false narrative that "we're close" and have "a damn good culture."

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[quote=harriet33;1238025]Multiple league sources have pointed to former Chiefs GM Scott Pioli and former Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels as possible candidates there. Jags ownership has long studied New England's success; Pioli and McDaniels have deep Patriots roots, and ownership has been impressed by their work in the past, sources said -- with increasing chatter about them in NFL circles in recent weeks.[/quote]

Links or GTFO.

Hell no to Pioli, he was a [URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8550269/flaws-chiefs-gm-scott-pioli-exposed"]garbage GM[/URL] with the Chiefs and [URL="https://deadspin.com/the-kansas-city-chiefs-might-have-the-worst-workplace-i-5876426"]his management style[/URL] rubbed people the wrong way. I am happily willing to [URL="https://www.kansascity.com/news/special-reports/article300461/Arrowhead-anxiety-Turnover-off-the-field-causes-concern.html"]back that up[/URL] too.

Since he left the Chiefs he worked his way back up to asst. GM with the Falcons before resigning in May.

Idc if he's matured since his KC days, I still wouldn't touch him with Dan Snyder's wallet.

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Even with the win we actually moved up in draft position from 4 to 3. [emoji106][emoji106]


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[quote=MTK;1238302]Even with the win we actually moved up in draft position from 4 to 3. [emoji106][emoji106]


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yep so overall a great weekend of football lol

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/05/trent-williams-unloads-on-bruce-allen/[/url]

Trent talking mad shit about Bruce Allen.

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[quote=Chico23231;1238489][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/05/trent-williams-unloads-on-bruce-allen/[/url]

Trent talking mad shit about Bruce Allen.[/quote]

From the article:

[I][B]“It just goes to show you how behind the times [Allen] is, and he still tries to use that money to hold it over black athletes,” Williams said.[/B][/I]

Screw TW now, totally uncalled for. Now I don't blame Bruce for anything involved in the situation with Trent.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1238489][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/05/trent-williams-unloads-on-bruce-allen/[/url]



Trent talking mad shit about Bruce Allen.[/QUOTE]Trent did more for his case when he didn't say anything, and I was one calling for him to speak out.

You try and use the rules by showing up at the last minute and saying you arent going to play, and surprise surprise the team knows how to use the rules too.

That said, I wish he articulated it in a way that DS would hear it and fire BA, but this wasn't it.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238490]From the article:

[I][B]“It just goes to show you how behind the times [Allen] is, and he still tries to use that money to hold it over black athletes,” Williams said.[/B][/I]

Screw TW now, totally uncalled for. Now I don't blame Bruce for anything involved in the situation with Trent.[/quote]

Agreed. The entire league knows Bruce Allen is a terrible GM and slimy human being. No news there. But this is crossing the line.

Every time Trent opens his mouth, he makes himself look more and more like the greedy piece of shit he is and making it less and less likely that anyone will trade for him or sign him to a lucrative contract if he were to become a free agent.

This all started last off-season when Trent asked for more money when he still had two years left on his deal. When the team said no, trents cancerous behavior has escalated:
- first, he held out of offseason activities
- he remained silent while he directed his cronies to spread rumors about some wrongdoing in the part Of the medical staff
- he held out of regular season games
- he comes back and publicaly smears the team and medical staff, telling an outrageous story full of contradictions and serious allegations
- when the team requests an independent investigation, Trent refuses to allow it (which no innocent person would do if here was true medical malpractice)
- now he’s accusing the team president of racist actions.

What general manager (most of whom are white men) is going to want to bring in a player who has shown that this is what he will do when he wants more money than you agreed to pay him? Especially when this player is old, injury prone, and one failed drug test away from a 1 year suspension.

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The exact quote from Sheehan's 12-4-19 pod is he has an informed hunch Bruce will no longer be part of football ops.

He said he had the same informed hunch last year though.

He expects news next week at league meetings.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1238544]The exact quote from Sheehan's 12-4-19 pod is he has an informed hunch Bruce will no longer be part of football ops.

He said he had the same informed hunch last year though.

He expects news next week at league meetings.

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Add to that the multiple reports today that the redskins have reached out to multiple coaching candidates who are concerned about the current front office structure.

However, Snyder can not be counted on to do the smart thing. Time and again, he’s proven to be delusional and stubborn. Given trents most recent attack and the constant media criticism, i could see him keeping Bruce out of spite.





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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238490]From the article:

[I][B]“It just goes to show you how behind the times [Allen] is, and he still tries to use that money to hold it over black athletes,” Williams said.[/B][/I]

Screw TW now, totally uncalled for. Now I don't blame Bruce for anything involved in the situation with Trent.[/quote]

I am with you 100%. Trent crossed the line. He just looks like a crybaby now whose last resort was to use the race card. Totally uncalled for.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1238490]From the article:



[I][B]“It just goes to show you how behind the times [Allen] is, and he still tries to use that money to hold it over black athletes,” Williams said.[/B][/I]



Screw TW now, totally uncalled for. Now I don't blame Bruce for anything involved in the situation with Trent.[/QUOTE]

Even if TW had left off the word black, the underlying point is absurd. Of course GMs use contracts and guaranteed money as both carrots and sticks.

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Not sure I'm w/ Trent on the race thing. Allen screwed over Cousins and low balled him on a ltd.

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Just enforces the fact Bruce should have traded TW when he had the chance

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1238492]Agreed. The entire league knows Bruce Allen is a terrible GM and slimy human being. No news there. But this is crossing the line.

Every time Trent opens his mouth, he makes himself look more and more like the greedy piece of shit he is and making it less and less likely that anyone will trade for him or sign him to a lucrative contract if he were to become a free agent.

This all started last off-season when Trent asked for more money when he still had two years left on his deal. When the team said no, trents cancerous behavior has escalated:
- first, he held out of offseason activities
- he remained silent while he directed his cronies to spread rumors about some wrongdoing in the part Of the medical staff
- he held out of regular season games
- he comes back and publicaly smears the team and medical staff, telling an outrageous story full of contradictions and serious allegations
- when the team requests an independent investigation, Trent refuses to allow it (which no innocent person would do if here was true medical malpractice)
- now he’s accusing the team president of racist actions.

[B]What general manager (most of whom are white men) is going to want to bring in a player who has shown that this is what he will do when he wants more money than you agreed to pay him?[/B] Especially when this player is old, injury prone, and one failed drug test away from a 1 year suspension.[/quote]

There will be plenty of teams more than willing to bring Trent in. He will get paid handsomely for sure.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1238563]There will be plenty of teams more than willing to bring Trent in. He will get paid handsomely for sure.[/QUOTE]



Before all the drama that Trent has drug up since returning you are probably right (minus the getting paid Handsomely - given his age, injury, and suspension history, he’d never have gotten a deal with multiple years of guaranteed money). But everything he’s said since then is just one ref flag after another. Someone will sign him, but it’s not going to be that great of a deal. It will almost certainly be less than what Trent would have made in 2019 and 2020 had played out his contract here.


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Interesting nugget from JPs latest:


[URL]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/new-head-coaching-candidates-uncomfortable-redskins-power-structure-report [/URL]

[QUOTE=]Breer said NFL teams are starting to make covert outreach to potential coaching candidates, particularly college coaching candidates, and that the team is getting “pushback” because of the existing power structure[/QUOTE]

I honestly had not given much thought to the skins going hard after a college coach. My thinking was they’d go after a proven NFL Head coach.


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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1238563]There will be plenty of teams more than willing to bring Trent in. He will get paid handsomely for sure.[/quote]

Literally talent trumps everything. Has anybody learned anything from watching any sports league in the last 20 years?

You can be associated with a murder (Ray Lewis), you can literally murder puppies (Michael Vick) you can beat your wife/significant other (too many to count). As long as you're talented somebody will sign you (unless you fuck with an owner's cash flow; see Kaepernick, C. Even then he made the decision easier by only being backup-qb talented, not starter talented)

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1238565]Interesting nugget from JPs latest:


[URL]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/new-head-coaching-candidates-uncomfortable-redskins-power-structure-report [/URL]


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I heard that too, think it was Albert Breer reporting on it. They need to stop with these rumors, I can only get so erect.

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[quote=mooby;1238566]Literally talent trumps everything. Has anybody learned anything from watching any sports league in the last 20 years?

You can be associated with a murder (Ray Lewis), you can literally murder puppies (Michael Vick) you can beat your wife/significant other (too many to count). [B]As long as you're talented somebody will sign you (unless you fuck with an owner's cash flow; see Kaepernick,[/B] C. Even then he made the decision easier by only being backup-qb talented, not starter talented)[/quote]

You can't be serious. Why are liberals constantly trying to rewrite history? When Kaepernick pulled his stunt he had already been benched for BLAINE GABBERT, look it up! Try telling the WHOLE story, please.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1238568]You can't be serious. Why are liberals constantly trying to rewrite history? When Kaepernick pulled his stunt he had already been benched for BLAINE GABBERT, look it up! Try telling the WHOLE story, please.[/QUOTE]I think you misread the original post

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238568]You can't be serious. Why are liberals constantly trying to rewrite history? When Kaepernick pulled his stunt he had already been benched for BLAINE GABBERT, look it up! Try telling the WHOLE story, please.[/quote]


[quote=CRedskinsRule;1238569]I think you misread the original post

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Whatever, I am just sick and tired of liberals spewing that Kap is out of the NFL because of his leftist views and saying he led his team to a Super Bowl, while ignoring the fact he was 3-16 as a starter his last two seasons. Defenses figured him out, plain and simple, he was lucky he lasted as long as he did.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238568]You can't be serious. Why are liberals constantly trying to rewrite history? When Kaepernick pulled his stunt he had already been benched for BLAINE GABBERT, look it up! Try telling the WHOLE story, please.[/quote]

That's literally exactly what I'm saying. If he had been NFL-MVP caliber, absolutely he would've been picked up.

He was terrible his last season in the league and if he hadn't been kneeling, at best he would've been looking at "fighting for the starting job in training camp" vs. going in as a backup. Kneeling made the decision easier for teams not to sign him, they didn't want the headache and they decided the talent didn't justify the risk of pissing off their fanbase.

What specifically am I rewriting here?

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Found a pic of Buffalo Bob...

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The end is near, let it be so!!
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