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The Coronavirus Pandemic will not be over by Sept. The strategy of the government has been to make announcements about the future on a month-by-month basis. They’re afraid people would go crazy if the governors or President said that this crisis will last another year or two..... but it will.

The NFL has a lot of power and people want the regular season games to go on. How can they do it ?

1. No fans in the stadium. All the non-players in the field and security in the stands will wear masks and gloves. Players will be tested before each game for COVID 19. Televised games with no crowd noise? Yeah, fans will get used to it.

2. Limited fans in the stadium. All fans must wear masks and sit every third or fourth seat. All the non-players in the field and players will use the same tactics listed above. Non-players are masked and players are tested before each game.

When does the pandemic end?

A. A vaccine is developed and given to almost everyone in population (see HERD IMMUNITY below). Experts predict the time to develop vaccine will take 1-1.5 years MINIMUM. Everyday, there are media stories of a potential cure or vaccine being tried. A scattered approach is NOT the best way to develop either a vaccine or cure. A systematic approach to either is better than the “throwing jello on the wall” and hoping something sticks.

B. Develop a cure. There is no cure for viruses, but maybe a cure for the effects. Again, this may take over a year or more.

C. HERD IMMUNITY for at least 50-75% of the population. That assumes that ppl get immunity if they get the COVID 19 virus / illness and this gives them immunity if exposed again. They’re still not sure if that is true. Herd immunity means enough people have immunity (such as from a vaccine) to protect the rest. Even in places with heavy exposure (NY City) have only 15% exposed.

Not trying to be a “Debbie Downer” on a sports fan site, but this is the facts. This pandemic is here for awhile. The NFL will have to use imagination and safety to get us regular season games. The pandemic is not going to just disappear like politicians hope will happen. I predict they’ll start with #1 above (no fans in stadium) then maybe move to #2 (limited fans) if the first trial works. I still think we’ll have regular season games!

Good news - we might be SPARED the PRE-SEASON games! I think teams will practice in closed off fields, no fans, and EVERYONE being isolated, like by using college dorms, all the time. Everyone at practices - players, coaches, etc will tested once a week for COVID 19.

We can have an NFL season, if they do it right. Just no stadiums full of fans.


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There is no way MLB can afford it's salaries without the fans packing the seats, they have actually even said this. College football as well. TV Money is good but you still need the ticket sales and without fans how do you really think those games would play out? Players will not be motivated at all. Many states are slowly opening back up, you can't just shut shit down for 2 years.. Can't live in fear either, the numbers are much lower than they predicted.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1251305]There is no way MLB can afford it's salaries without the fans packing the seats, they have actually even said this. College football as well. TV Money is good but you still need the ticket sales and without fans how do you really think those games would play out? Players will not be motivated at all. Many states are slowly opening back up, you can't just shut shit down for 2 years.. Can't live in fear either, the numbers are much lower than they predicted.[/quote]

The biggest problem to any solution spoke of above, will be the governors who flat out refuse to open back up. Michigan just punished the people further by extending the lock down another month. It's almost like the meme about the principal from the breakfast club punishing Bender for talking back. If people speak up about their liberties, etc., being suspended, the governors punish them by taking even more stuff away. I don't see that ending anytime soon without the Feds getting involved, and any legality of that.

There will be some states that the Governor will not allow NFL play, or even limited seating for fans.

I wonder if the NFL is considering like MLB right now, at least beginning their season in "safe" states where they have a place to play and approval from the governor(s).

There is also hanging over everyones head the issue of if the USA goes back into lockdown in the fall when the 2nd wave of Corona Virus hits. If that's the case, then there is no way, IMO that the NFL or any other sport for that matter having a season.

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States aren’t punishing anyone FFS


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There will be a “Second Wave” of COVID 19 cases and deaths. It happened in 1918 and it’s happening again. Back then and now the same thing is happening: people need to work, are out of money, and they only see the virus hitting other places like New York and the West Coast. So they want things to “get back to normal”.

That’s the problem with slow rolling the pandemic on a month-by-month basis. Every governor is doing it - wait until next month and “we’ll see how it looks”. Also, you see almost daily reports of some new drug or possible vaccine that’s going to turn it around quickly. But it’s not the truth.
The truth is that this pandemic will go on for a minimum of a year FROM NOW. They are preparing rob manufacture a vaccine in JANUARY, at the earliest, IF IT WORKS. If it works then you’ve got to make 330 million shots and then get them distributed and given to everyone. That gets us to a YEAR FROM NOW. If the vaccine doesn’t work, then we.’really starting all over again.

What does that mean for sports? No fans or limited fans who are separated by space AND wearing masks & gloves. With this new Second Wave of deaths, will people really risk their lives for something they can watch in the safety of their home??

I think the players will have no problem playing in front of no fans. To a certain extent each player has to tune out the fan noise. Now it’s easier!

Not to get political but this would be easier if the President was leading us into the equivalent of a war. Then he could be a leader and tell the truth. Which means saying: “this will take a year or more”. No more slow roll and leadership coming from Governors or lower. But that hasn’t happened and the horse is out of the barn. So the way it is set up, just one Governor can ban fans in his state. That!s why I think you will see:

1. “NO FAN” GAMES. Players getting tested every week and living in a cloistered existence during the season. Everyone else at game - NON-PLAYERS, will be wearing masks and gloves and ALSO will be tested for COVID 19 every week.

2. or a cancelled season. I think people WANT Sports now and will get over the unusual nature of the games.

The public WANTED the NFL draft to go on and it did. It was a complete success. Many liked the homie, “slice of America”, nature of how the draft turned out. I think the same thing will happen at these games. It’s just like a flag football game - players are mostly cheering each other on. We’ll be cheering or yelling at our tv.

I think they’ll work out the details because the NFL fans want a distraction. I’m not sure what will happen with MLB. They have many more games and many more problems that go with it. MLB and the NFL are NOT tied together. The NFL has time to plan this out. I think we’ll have games, but perhaps with no fans, or much fewer than normal.


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[quote=MTK;1251321]States aren’t punishing anyone FFS


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I know i don't' know you personally, but you come off like a good dude, a good person. That being said there is no way you can look at what is happening in Michigan and say that those people aren't being punished. Either you are uninformed or maybe you are in disbelief.

Michigan's state constitution says that the governor has to obtain approval from state lawmakers regarding states of emergency and things of that nature. When they were not willing to grant her another 30 days of the stay at home orders, she cited an obscure state law from 1945 that gave the Governor absolute power that cannot be challenged by anyone. Michigan is under siege now, even as a left-centered Democrat i am saying she has gone too far and needs stopped. The Federal Government needs to get involved now.

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She's trying to save lives, it's not some sort of personal vendetta against her own state. And the latest order actually [URL="https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/04/24/heres-what-was-reopened-in-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmers-revised-stay-at-home-order/"]eases restrictions for some businesses[/URL].

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[quote=MTK;1251325]She's trying to save lives, it's not some sort of personal vendetta against her own state. And the latest order actually [URL="https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/04/24/heres-what-was-reopened-in-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmers-revised-stay-at-home-order/"]eases restrictions for some businesses[/URL].[/quote]

Whitmers is in extremely difficult position, there is no win-win situation for her to go with. Whichever she choose to do, there will be a group of people who are not happy with her.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1251324]I know i don't' know you personally, but you come off like a good dude, a good person. That being said there is no way you can look at what is happening in Michigan and say that those people aren't being punished. Either you are uninformed or maybe you are in disbelief.

Michigan's state constitution says that the governor has to obtain approval from state lawmakers regarding states of emergency and things of that nature. When they were not willing to grant her another 30 days of the stay at home orders, she cited an obscure state law from 1945 that gave the Governor absolute power that cannot be challenged by anyone. Michigan is under siege now, even as a left-centered Democrat i am saying she has gone too far and needs stopped. The Federal Government needs to get involved now.[/quote]

She was elected to do a job and she is doing it ,seems some of the dumb ass's in Michigan don't know what is good for them ,this they get pissed off about ,.............."clean drinking water ,....screw it.

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Anybody who is grotesque enough to show up at the State Capitol armed to the teeth has forfeited their right to voice their Trumpian, white supremacy views. They should be taken into custody, hand cuffed and throw into a deep vat of crocodiles. These are not spontaneous local demonstrations. They are part of a well coordinated right wing conspiracy to undercut governors who do their job caring for the silent majority rather than right wing nuts who run around waving rifles at public officials.

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Great job dragging this into the main threads.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1251353]Anybody who is grotesque enough to show up at the State Capitol armed to the teeth has forfeited their right to voice their Trumpian, white supremacy views. They should be taken into custody, hand cuffed and throw into a deep vat of crocodiles. These are not spontaneous local demonstrations. They are part of a well coordinated right wing conspiracy to undercut governors who do their job caring for the silent majority rather than right wing nuts who run around waving rifles at public officials.[/quote]

Free speech is a hellavu drug. Look into your bill of rights...the forethought is amazing.

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Free speech DOES NOT include the right to use weapons as an agent of intimidation. Go carry all the signs and posters you want. Fine with me. But when you show up armed to the teeth in public buildings you get the crocodile pit. Your free speech argument is both bogus and bull shit. Free speech does not include weapons in a public place.

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Double checked to make sure. Nope, I'm not in a political thread.

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Thanks to the President, the response to the virus has become a matter of politics.

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Oh,and now we have those pesky killer bees from Japan,so imagine this-sixty thousand in the stands and here comes a swarm,don't laugh just yet it could happen...NFL season-Doomed!!

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[quote=Burgold;1251502]Oh,and now we have those pesky killer bees from Japan,so imagine this-sixty thousand in the stands and here comes a swarm,don't laugh just yet it could happen...NFL season-Doomed!![/quote]

Imagine a world where everybody dies.

Scary, I know. Yet, that's the world we live in today.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1251373]Thanks to the President, the response to the virus has become a matter of politics.[/quote]

We all know you hate Trump ...okay let’s move on.. I follow the redskins whole hearted .. I come on this site to get away from politics.. if you want to talk politics there are thousands if sites to do that ..

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[quote=mooby;1251504]Imagine a world where everybody dies.

Scary, I know. Yet, that's the world we live in today.[/quote]

Many of us grew up hearing that ,we use to have drills where we would hide under the desks at school when a certain siren would go off, the big red menace was going to drop the A bomb on us!

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[quote=Warthog;1251322]There will be a “Second Wave” of COVID 19 cases and deaths. It happened in 1918 and it’s happening again. Back then and now the same thing is happening: people need to work, are out of money, and they only see the virus hitting other places like New York and the West Coast. So they want things to “get back to normal”.

That’s the problem with slow rolling the pandemic on a month-by-month basis. Every governor is doing it - wait until next month and “we’ll see how it looks”. Also, you see almost daily reports of some new drug or possible vaccine that’s going to turn it around quickly. But it’s not the truth.
The truth is that this pandemic will go on for a minimum of a year FROM NOW. They are preparing rob manufacture a vaccine in JANUARY, at the earliest, IF IT WORKS. If it works then you’ve got to make 330 million shots and then get them distributed and given to everyone. That gets us to a YEAR FROM NOW. If the vaccine doesn’t work, then we.’really starting all over again.

What does that mean for sports? No fans or limited fans who are separated by space AND wearing masks & gloves. With this new Second Wave of deaths, will people really risk their lives for something they can watch in the safety of their home??

I think the players will have no problem playing in front of no fans. To a certain extent each player has to tune out the fan noise. Now it’s easier!

Not to get political but this would be easier if the President was leading us into the equivalent of a war. Then he could be a leader and tell the truth. Which means saying: “this will take a year or more”. No more slow roll and leadership coming from Governors or lower. But that hasn’t happened and the horse is out of the barn. So the way it is set up, just one Governor can ban fans in his state. That!s why I think you will see:

1. “NO FAN” GAMES. Players getting tested every week and living in a cloistered existence during the season. Everyone else at game - NON-PLAYERS, will be wearing masks and gloves and ALSO will be tested for COVID 19 every week.

2. or a cancelled season. I think people WANT Sports now and will get over the unusual nature of the games.

The public WANTED the NFL draft to go on and it did. It was a complete success. Many liked the homie, “slice of America”, nature of how the draft turned out. I think the same thing will happen at these games. It’s just like a flag football game - players are mostly cheering each other on. We’ll be cheering or yelling at our tv.

I think they’ll work out the details because the NFL fans want a distraction. I’m not sure what will happen with MLB. They have many more games and many more problems that go with it. MLB and the NFL are NOT tied together. The NFL has time to plan this out. I think we’ll have games, but perhaps with no fans, or much fewer than normal.


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You don't get it,.........."pandemics" don't end ,you treat the symptoms and try to develop a vaccine.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1251363]Double checked to make sure. Nope, I'm not in a political thread.[/quote]

I got crapped on in here for mentioning politics in a sport's thread, now I guess it is ok?

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Well,everybody's all geeked up for the coming season..in front of NO FANS IN THE STANDS..the networks are excited about this season..oh silly me-THERE AIN'T GONNA BE NO SEASON!!

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[quote=Giantone;1251507]Many of us grew up hearing that ,we use to have drills where we would hide under the desks at school when a certain siren would go off, the big red menace was going to drop the A bomb on us![/quote]

Boy do the times change, when the DC sniper was running around killing everybody they told us to zig zag down the street to avoid getting shot. Still had to go to school every day though.

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[QUOTE=Burgold;1251635]Well,everybody's all geeked up for the coming season..in front of NO FANS IN THE STANDS..the networks are excited about this season..oh silly me-THERE AIN'T GONNA BE NO SEASON!![/QUOTE]The season will go on

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If anything they will just play in empty stadiums

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I promote off road dirt bike races .. on March 14-15 we had the first race of the season .. I normally draw 500 bikes and 1200 through the gate .. on the Thursday before the race I was getting calls and hearing that the event might get shut down .. well it did not and we had over 1400 through the gate and over 500 riders .. folks camped , partied etc .. the monday after the race the damn broke and everything started to shut down.. At that point I started to worry if I had done the right thing and maybe should have canceled the event .. for the next 14 days I was nervous about the news of a covid outbreak .. I know just about all the folks and it’s a tight series so if somebody got sick I would know .. well thank goodness nobody did .. we are still getting together ( obeying the 6 foot rule) and other safety precautions.. had over 100 riders last weekend . I can tell you that Walmart is slam packed as well as hardware stores .. in fact other than bars, restaurants.. gyms , hair salons and things like that where I live is busy .. no major industry have stopped here .. so I’m optimistic that there will be a season .. fed ex seats how many 70 thousand ? So if they cut the crowd to half that and did other precautions do you guys still think no season ? Barring another big spike in cases I think there will be games .. we are waiting on governor to open things up more in central Virginia!

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There will be games until a player tests positive. Then what?

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They playing

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[quote=Ohioskins;1251672]There will be games until a player tests positive. Then what?[/quote]

That's when we'll see a hiatus like the NBA/NHL but nothing you can do about that

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[quote=Ohioskins;1251672]There will be games until a player tests positive. Then what?[/quote]


They get put on PUP list.

The team calls up someone from the practice squad to replace him.

The rest of the roster gets tested daily.


This is how the NBA is thinking they'll handle that issue, when they restart their season.


[I]Per Shams Charania of The Athletic, NBA Commissioner Adam Silver told players on a conference call Friday that a positive result would force the affected player into quarantine for 14 days, but not his entire team.

That wasn’t the case upon Gobert’s test in March, with consideration given to players on his own team and opponents that had been in close contact with Gobert and were at a higher risk of testing positive.

But if or when the NBA resumes, the league hopes to have enough testing capacity to continue testing those other players on a daily basis. In March, there simply were not enough tests for that to be an option.
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Or in Germany, where they resume soccer play ...


[I]In Germany, where soccer is set to return next weekend, 10 positive results were recently recorded from tests of essential personnel heading into training. However, the league continues to move forward, and the green light was given by government officials after those results.[/I]


Full article here:

[url]https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/09/report-if-nba-returns-one-positive-test-wont-sideline-team/[/url]

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I think you have to treat each sport separately. NFL rosters, especially before any cuts, coaching staff and key auxiliary staff are going to total in the region of 150 people. A tennis player and their staff total less than 10. A typical football team anywhere in the world will be 25-50 players and key staff. Each must take measures to reduce the risk of infection when a) training and b) competing. No spectators means different costs etc. too albeit comparable. I expect training camps to be locked down with little or no traffic onto and off campus, not to mention a testing regime. And everyone involved will be expected to keep their families, if not isolated, firmly sticking to social distancing. With the right controls in place starting up again is entirely feasible but needs close control.

Everyone has to realise they have to follow the rules with no exceptions; one exception risks infecting and potentially bringing down the whole team (I don't mean death, though it's a possibility, but everyone infected going into enforced isolation or even ICU could halt a team in it's tracks). We know sportsmen are not the most disciplined off the field so it's a big ask for them to follow this completely...

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1251508]You don't get it,.........."pandemics" don't end ,you treat the symptoms and try to develop a vaccine.[/QUOTE]


I do get it and if you read my post you’d see we’re saying the same thing. As I said, there are three ways for this pandemic to end:

(1) Develop a vaccine and give it to everyone in this country, or give it to at least to enough people for (3) Herd Immunity. It may be a combination of vaccinating people who haven’t had the Coronavirus mixed with those who have immunity based on having the illness. ALSO, as happened in the 1918 Spanish Flu, it appears that COVID 19 has already MUTATED. Which means you can get sick twice from the Coronavirus. We may need several vaccines for this pandemic. The other possibility is a treatment regime that can combat the Coronavirus. HOWEVER, the end to this pandemic is largely dependent to developing a VACCINE.

BL - we are probably 1-2+ years from ending this pandemic with a vaccine(s). What does that mean for the NFL? The NFL is going to have to be creative to get us a season this year or the next year or the one after that. The advantage that the NFL has over MLB, NBA is that football [emoji458] has far fewer games.

How will the NFL season work during the Coronavirus Pandemic? Limited fans in a stadium who must wear masks and gloves. Maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of a filled stadium. There even may be NO FAN GAMES. Players will stay in seclusion during the season with weekly COVID 19 testing. All non-players on the field also must be in gloves and masks, also with weekly Coronavirus testing. It can be done!


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I haven’t talked about it because it pains me too think about no football. If the season does start and we go 0-3 maybe ill be all for it!

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[quote=punch it in;1251699]I haven’t talked about it because it pains me too think about no football. If the season does start and we go 0-3 maybe ill be all for it![/quote]

If that happens, we'll all be on the tank for Trevor train

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1251705]If that happens, we'll all be on the tank for Trevor train[/QUOTE]



Haskins growth could make or break us for another few years

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[quote=punch it in;1251707]Haskins growth could make or break us for another few years[/quote]

Its a huge year for him and its kinda shitty due to the circumstances right now.. But it's a win now league and if he struggles this yr they will be in the mix for a QB in 2021 I'm sure. I just don't see how they will start on time if this shit is still causing problems

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1251710]Its a huge year for him and its kinda shitty due to the circumstances right now.. But it's a win now league and if he struggles this yr they will be in the mix for a QB in 2021 I'm sure. I just don't see how they will start on time if this shit is still causing problems[/QUOTE]


Yeah you’re exactly right. If Haskins sux this season, we’ll be drafting for a premium QB next year.

But, I think Dwayne will do very well this season and he will certainly surprise the crap out of the NFL with a very good second season.


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[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/troy-vincent-nfl-planning-for-full-stadiums-until-medical-community-tells-us-otherwise/[/url]

NFL planning for full stadiums 'until medical community tells us otherwise

Love it... That should be the plan.

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This season is in the tank...what are they gonna do,play flag football? I don't wanna hear about no-gloves-mask..they'll have to change after every play,no just cancel this season and hope for next year.

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I think that is a bit rash at this point. Based on what Chico posted it sounds like they have a good plan in place, but realistically should expect diminished fan capacity. Based on what we are learning about the spread ( contact surfaces and asymptomatic transmission in particular) the better we will at managing the problem.