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[quote=MTK;1260652]Did JP ask him about not using his timeouts? Because he sure isn't coaching like he's interested in trying to win a weak division.[/quote]

Thats what gets me. Actions > words.
Also, just saw a keim article from yesterday that is basically the exact opposite saying haskins is the guy. So there's mixed things coming out of rivera.

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[quote=MTK;1260652]Did JP ask him about not using his timeouts? Because he sure isn't coaching like he's interested in trying to win a weak division.[/quote]

JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
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Rivera on the timeouts: "This is a young football team that I have to protect"

It was a good interview but there was a disconnect. RR talked about how they were in 1st place and reflected on the 2014 or so season when the Panthers were like 3-8 but won the division at 7-8-1. And how this season is very much in play and he doesnt want to leave money on the table ...

but then says he says he has to protect the team by not calling TOS when down by 2 scores?

I dont quite understand who you are protecting or how not calling TOs protect anyone.

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[quote=Schneed10;1260663]I trust Ron on this. A couple of ancillary things go into this calculus:

- Dwayne's poor play is impacting Ron's ability to evaluate the WRs. If they're not on the field enough it gets harder to evaluate the rest of the offense.

- Last year we saw Dwayne suck nuts until later in the season when he finally learned the offense. This year, new offense, and he's sucking nuts early. It's possible he's just a slow learner, in addition to having issues with mechanics and footwork. But if Ron looks at this and says I can't have a slow learner, there's no time for that in the NFL, because what if next year I decide to change coordinators? What if next year Scott and I need to adjust the scheme to fit the skills of new receivers? If being a slow learner holds us back, I'm good if Ron decides that's not good enough.

Some of these young QBs come in and get it quickly, it's not unreasonable to look for the next one who might be capable of that.

That all has to be balanced against the long term interests of seeing what you have in Dwayne, and at the same time weighing the chance of losing the locker room if you continue to start a shitty player.

I trust Ron will get it right. He's not there yet but he's sending signals, as he should.[/quote]

Second point and too that, missing that preseason really hurts. I feel like Ron will give Haskins enough time, but I think accountability means more in this organization with Ron since Gibbs 2.0.

Still in the back of my mind, I strongly think Ron knows being his first year without a preseason and all this other crap not football related going on with the org...this year is a research and development plan. R&D...he gonna find out who works well in the culture and then add or extend who does.

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I don’t know there are other teams with first year coaches, first year quarterbacks, and young rosters that are playing to win and didn’t have a preseason either. Always an excuse in DC. Always.

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I asked Ron Rivera about Dwayne Haskins’ future and the coach didn’t hold back: “If we never play him, he never grows, but there is a point where you say, ‘OK, maybe taking a step back and watching is the best thing for you now.’”

JP FINLAY

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[quote=punch it in;1260668]I don’t know there are other teams with first year coaches, first year quarterbacks, and young rosters that are playing to win and didn’t have a preseason either. Always an excuse in DC. Always.[/quote]

Add name change/controversy, add sexual harassment allegations, add minority owners feud/lawsuit....

It’s called a shitshow...and every year it’s something different

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[quote=SunnySide;1260666]JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
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Sep 28
Rivera on the timeouts: "This is a young football team that I have to protect"

It was a good interview but there was a disconnect. RR talked about how they were in 1st place and reflected on the 2014 or so season when the Panthers were like 3-8 but won the division at 7-8-1. And how this season is very much in play and he doesnt want to leave money on the table ...

but then says he says he has to protect the team by not calling TOS when down by 2 scores?

I dont quite understand who you are protecting or how not calling TOs protect anyone.[/quote]

It doesn't add up, the injury thing is just an excuse and a poor one at that. If he's truly concerned about injuries why not take a few knees and go into the half vs continuing to run plays like the one where Gibson fumbled right before the half.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1260662]Again, RR did not draft Haskins so there is no loyalty. His leach will be a short one. There is a slim to almost no chance Haskins is the QB of the future.

Whenever a new coach comes in, unless the starter is well established, they want their own guy. Hell Rodgers has several years of good football left and they used their 1st rounder on a QB.[/quote]

Well, explain this. Why didn't he just bring in Cam? He could have got his guy and been very competitive this year.

Ron doesn't need to have a quick hook because he's under no pressure to win this year and he is free to build for the long haul.

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[quote=MTK;1260673]It doesn't add up, the injury thing is just an excuse and a poor one at that. If he's truly concerned about injuries why not take a few knees and go into the half vs continuing to run plays like the one where Gibson fumbled right before the half.[/quote]

My only thought is that he is nowhere close to feeling comfortable with where our 2 min offense is. I imagine with the shortened training camp, new coaches and so much new stuff to cover/install .. that there just was very little time to go over the 2 min drill.

He doesnt trust our offense and Haskins in a 2 min drill and doesnt want to see sacks or ints get added at the end of the game.

Just guessing ... bc it is odd.

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it,s more than just haskins inconsistency ,we have no left side of our offensive line we need help there bad like a legit LT and LG also we also don,t have another game breaking wide receiver , our TE are huh so/so running back is a big question mark also even thou i do like gibson alot, and we also need a FS apke isn,t cutting it,so you add all this up and it comes out to we are basically throwing the ball to one WR with no running game what so ever we can,t run block and basically can,t pass block with a very inconsistent QB and this is why are offense is terrible

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were are we getting a QB from if we don,t get lawrence, fields ,or trey lance unless there is a big FA QB i am missing unless you want Dak for 35-40 mil a yr

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[quote=MTK;1260652]Did JP ask him about not using his timeouts? Because he sure isn't coaching like he's interested in trying to win a weak division.[/quote]

No, probably because he wanted to keep getting one-on-one interviews with the coach.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1260679]No, probably because he wanted to keep getting one-on-one interviews with the coach.[/quote]

Lol

I advise everyone to listen to the post game presser when I think it’s Michael Phillips of the Richmond Times asked Ron with a short, direct question of why no times outs end of game within 2 scores?

Ron is pissed, you can hear it in his voice. It’s a don’t question me about it answer. Short and abrupt one word OK...like why are you asking me. He expands a lil bit there after

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[quote=SunnySide;1260676]My only thought is that he is nowhere close to feeling comfortable with where our 2 min offense is. I imagine with the shortened training camp, new coaches and so much new stuff to cover/install .. that there just was very little time to go over the 2 min drill.

[B]He doesnt trust our offense and Haskins in a 2 min drill and doesnt want to see sacks or ints get added at the end of the game.
[/B]
Just guessing ... bc it is odd.[/quote]

Which is funny because when the offense is sped up is when Haskins doesn't play like a wet fart in church

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Sheehan suggested that Rivera has never been a strong clock manager, but I find it hard to believe that's why he's leaving timeouts in his back pocket.

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[quote=MTK;1260682]Sheehan suggested that Rivera has never been a strong clock manager, but I find it hard to believe that's why he's leaving timeouts in his back pocket.[/quote]

He has a motive... Is it to lose games to bench Haskins when he plays so bad or is he just tanking? It's one of the 2 because otherwise he's quitting on his players and I thought Ron was not that kind of guy.. This is a HUGE game for Haskins this week, clearly Ron is letting him know that he's on think ice.

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Right now, way too early estimate...is the Redskins starting 2021 QB on the roster right now?

From what I see and hear...no

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[quote=Chico23231;1260686]Right now, way too early estimate...is the [B]Redskins[/B] starting 2021 QB on the roster right now?

From what I see and hear...no[/quote]

Sir , I'm going to have to ask that you do not say that racial slang ever again...

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[quote=Chico23231;1260686]Right now, way too early estimate...is the Redskins starting 2021 QB on the roster right now?

From what I see and hear...no[/quote]

I don't think the Redskins 2020 QB is not on the roster because that team doesn't exist.

Okay in all seriousness, I think this is why you go with DH the whole season, so you can find out if he is the starting QB. I have no problem with RR doing his due diligence in this.

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[quote=MTK;1260675]Well, explain this. Why didn't he just bring in Cam? He could have got his guy and been very competitive this year.

Ron doesn't need to have a quick hook because he's under no pressure to win this year and he is free to build for the long haul.[/quote]

He didn't bring in Cam because he was obviously willing to give the owners pick a chance. Had he signed Cam it would have caused a media firestorm. It wasn't a good fit but he did bring in Cam's backup and gave up a draft pick to get him. That says a lot right there.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1260681]Which is funny because when the offense is sped up is when Haskins doesn't play like a wet fart in church[/QUOTE]



Exactly. He plays like a dry fart in church and that is definitely less obnoxious.
Seriously though there is a little sign of “we might have something here” when he does. Little sign, but it’s evident that those brief flashes are during hurry up. At least this year. I forget about last.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260686]Right now, way too early estimate...is the Redskins starting 2021 QB on the roster right now?



From what I see and hear...no[/QUOTE]



Nope.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/david-carr-believes-kyle-allen-currently-gives-washington-its-best-chance[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260686]Right now, way too early estimate...is the Redskins starting 2021 QB on the roster right now?

From what I see and hear...no[/QUOTE]
No The starting QB for 2021 is not on the roster right now. Couldn't tell you who it is going to be unless we get the 1'st pick in the 2021 draft but, hard to believe, there are worse teams out there now than us

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I don't even care anymore.
Just beat the fucking cowboys.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1260712]No The starting QB for 2021 is not on the roster right now. Couldn't tell you who it is going to be unless we get the 1'st pick in the 2021 draft but, hard to believe, there are worse teams out there now than us[/quote]

13 games left and we're already talking 2021.

F

Haskins gets half the season unless he shows absolutely no progress whatsoever, or gets worse, in the next 2-3 games.

I really have a hard time believing, given Haskins mentality this year, that he isn't putting in the work necessary to get better. But Rivera will be the judge of that.

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We will have the first pick ... Struggling QB and a coach who is giving up trying to win late in game ... funny he uses injuries as excuse yet we are still getting hurt .. all the other turmoil behind the scenes.. if we win 3 games I’ll be shocked ...

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1260347]The Jets/Giants might combine to go 0/32. Not to mention, other bad teams. Our chances of getting him are slim amd none. Quitting on games is bulshit.[/quote]

The Jets and Giants have their shiny new QBs. Provided no one wants to pay a kings ransom to trade up to the first two picks, Lawrence will be there at 3 if we want him.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1260956]The Jets and Giants have their shiny new QBs. Provided no one wants to pay a kings ransom to trade up to the first two picks, Lawrence will be there at 3 if we want him.[/quote]

No chance those 2 teams pass on Trevor L

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Brett Rypien > Haskins, Darnold

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1260961]Brett Rypien > Haskins, Darnold[/QUOTE]



Just said this in the week 4 thread. It is at the point now where I am wondering how many second stringers there are out there that are better than Crapkins. He has the pedigree from OSU. Has the strong arm. Looks physically gifted. But he is fools gold.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1260960]No chance those 2 teams pass on Trevor L[/QUOTE]



Yeah no chance in hell. Other than those two teams though there are not many other dumpster fires that need a quarterback. Denver? Philly? We are not far out of the running right now. We could easily lose two to the Giants.

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[quote=punch it in;1260964]Yeah no chance in hell. Other than those two teams though there are not many other dumpster fires that need a quarterback. Denver? Philly? We are not far out of the running right now. We could easily lose two to the Giants.[/quote]

Jets, Giants , Vikings and Falcons could all go after a QB.

It's a good QB class though.

Lawrence
Fields
Lance
Ehlinger
Trask

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[quote=skinsfan69;1260961]Brett Rypien > Haskins, Darnold[/quote]

I think he's more accurate than Haskins but overall arm talent isn't close.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1260984]I think he's more accurate than Haskins but overall arm talent isn't close.[/quote]

No idea what people mean when they complement Haskins arm talent. If you can't throw the football where it's supposed to go you don't have arm talent.

:confused?:

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1260984]I think he's more accurate than Haskins but overall arm talent isn't close.[/quote]

Are you old enough to remember Jay Schroeder? He had elite arm talent, had great wr's and wasn't accurate enough to keep the job.

Point is accuracy is much more important than arm talent. Rypien threw some balls I have yet to see DH make.

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[quote=davy;1260990]No idea what people mean when they complement Haskins arm talent. If you can't throw the football where it's supposed to go you don't have arm talent.

:confused?:[/quote]

Agree. Jeff George is another WFT QB who had lots of arm talent.

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Per JP Finaly this morning:

Sources tell me that Ron Rivera and some Washington Football coaches met with Dwayne Haskins this week to make clear he understands he needs to play better or things could soon change

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[quote=skinsfan69;1260996]Are you old enough to remember Jay Schroeder? He had elite arm talent, had great wr's and wasn't accurate enough to keep the job.

Point is accuracy is much more important than arm talent. Rypien threw some balls I have yet to see DH make.[/quote]



Yep, I am and I remember

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Main issues with George and Schroeder though were they were both douchebags who commanded zero respect from their teammates.