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[quote=AnonEmouse;1274512]Just a musing really with Ingram being waived by Baltimore. Given that arguably Gibson and McKissick were the only effective running backs (Barber had a measly 2.7 ypc), would you consider bringing in a bruising vet like Ingram or look at picking up a big pound the rock back in a late round or UFA? Is Ingram too expensive?

For me I don't want a guy that's just moderately effective in short yardage, I want a guy I can put on the field at any time and threaten to get good yardage. Even if we maintain what is effectively RB by committee, I think we need an upgrade on Barber.[/quote]

I'm not sure what it would take to bring him in, but I wouldn't be interested. Probably would cost more than he's worth. I think he's going on 10 years or more in the league, and he's over 30. I'd rather pick up a younger RB. I'm sure they can upgrade the position either through the draft, or as players become cap casualties.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1274512]Just a musing really with Ingram being waived by Baltimore. Given that arguably Gibson and McKissick were the only effective running backs (Barber had a measly 2.7 ypc), would you consider bringing in a bruising vet like Ingram or look at picking up a big pound the rock back in a late round or UFA? Is Ingram too expensive?

For me I don't want a guy that's just moderately effective in short yardage, I want a guy I can put on the field at any time and threaten to get good yardage. Even if we maintain what is effectively RB by committee, I think we need an upgrade on Barber.[/quote]

Barber was EXTREMELY effective in short yardage. He was valuable. I wouldn't draft another RB or bring in an expensive guy to try and replace him. You can bring bring in some UDFA type guys for competition. I actually like our RB group. Run it back with them 1 more year.

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Ingram is no better than Barber anymore. I'd prefer to stick with our trio, they all did well in their specific roles. Gibson will only get better too.

I think Bryce Love is still on the team too. :D

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Barber had 94 carries for the season .. Id argue at least half of those were short yardage situations that would sckew his yards per carry numbers. He was decent at falling forward, if we keep him or replace him I dont think it will change our season trajectory. Very replaceable piece but he does a decent job.

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When we were on the goal line or at 4th and 1 or 2, Peyton got the job done almost every time.

He's only 26. Keep him over a washed-up Ingram. He was down to 4th on Baltimore's depth chart by the end of the year. A healthy scratch most weeks.

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Did Barber ever not convert a short yardage situation this year?

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[quote=MTK;1274550]Did Barber ever not convert a short yardage situation this year?[/quote]

Not that I can remember. I don't see a reason to move on from him. He's under contract for another year I think. I like what we have there for RB. Doesn't mean you don't keep looking to improve the position (and all positions), but it's not a pressing matter.

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[quote=MTK;1274550]Did Barber ever not convert a short yardage situation this year?[/quote]

Yeah he did a couple times but he's nothing special

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This is an interesting advanced stat website, kinda confusing to navigate and understand at first but once you get the hang of it, really interesting. Lots of ways to modify a search.

Peyton had 4 4th down rushing attempts and converted on all 4.

Had a 56.3% "success" rate for runs in the red zone vs league average of 53.7%

[url]https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/rushing-success-rate-over-average--sroa-.html[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274551]Not that I can remember. I don't see a reason to move on from him. He's under contract for another year I think. I like what we have there for RB. Doesn't mean you don't keep looking to improve the position (and all positions), but it's not a pressing matter.[/quote]

Agreed. If there's a later round back they like I'm all for it, but I like the guys we have.

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I like the guys we have .... but we also had an almost non-existent running game that could never be counted on to be part of a game plan .... on a team juggling QBs that could have really used a complimentary run game to offset the heavy and predictable reliance of having to quick pass to backs as some extension of our run game.

Run game has to improve next year. Handcuffed our play calling when our lack of personnel on offense already made us almost one dimensional.

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[quote=SunnySide;1274559]I like the guys we have .... but we also had an almost non-existent running game that could never be counted on to be part of a game plan .... on a team juggling QBs that could have really used a complimentary run game to offset the heavy and predictable reliance of having to quick pass to backs as some extension of our run game.

Run game has to improve next year. Handcuffed our play calling when our lack of personnel on offense already made us almost one dimensional.[/quote]

This team was never a threat to throw the ball down the field. Teams had the luxury of loading up the box to stop the run, and the short passing game. I think the answer is to upgrade the pass catchers and the QB. The running game will improve if the defense has to honor the passing game.

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[quote=SunnySide;1274559]I like the guys we have .... but we also had an almost non-existent running game that could never be counted on to be part of a game plan .... on a team juggling QBs that could have really used a complimentary run game to offset the heavy and predictable reliance of having to quick pass to backs as some extension of our run game.

Run game has to improve next year. Handcuffed our play calling when our lack of personnel on offense already made us almost one dimensional.[/quote]

AG Was pretty good this yr in the run game. His game against Dallas was awesome.

4.5 YPA
11 TDS
83.4 Run Grade

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Really really hope Charles is ready to roll next year. Draft a LT in the 1st couple rounds and plug him in at LG. Get Lucas and Wes back to swing tackle/guard. They are above average backups. I think we could get a lot better "reasonably easy" on the line next year.

Sign Allen Robinson or Galladay or Godwin and draft a legit TE2 and the passing game improves drastically. Even just adding a more middle tier WR2 like a Curtis Samuel would be a huge help.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274564]This team was never a threat to throw the ball down the field. Teams had the luxury of loading up the box to stop the run, and the short passing game. I think the answer is to upgrade the pass catchers and the QB. The running game will improve if the defense has to honor the passing game.[/quote]

I hear that. I felt like we should have seen more stacked boxes than we did. Change the scheme, change the left side of the O line, change qb/receivers, change the coaches. Something (or all things) need to improve w the run game next year. We dont have the QBs/Receivers to be pass heavy offense like we were this past year.

Hard to really judge Scott Turner bc you didnt know how much personnel impacted the way he wanted to call games. Certainly the QB carousel played a large hand. If he got "good" QB play .. it came in quarters or halfs or even a drive or 2 but never anything continued from one game to the next that you could rely on and weekly game plan aorund.

OKfan - any chance you have the PFF for runs against stacked boxes percentage or any info like that? I know I read an article ranking the RBs vs stacked box for 2019.

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I'm a little surprised by the Stafford love here. No chance I give up a first for him. I'd offer a 4th, knowing that that probably doesn't get it done.

That's as far as I'd go.

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The period between your last game and the start of free agency is brutal. Way easier to have gnashing of the teethe over front office decisions when there are few other team related things to discuss.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1274574]I'm a little surprised by the Stafford love here. No chance I give up a first for him. I'd offer a 4th, knowing that that probably doesn't get it done.

That's as far as I'd go.[/quote]

He's a great QB on a bad team. He's only 32...we could get a solid 4 more years, or more.

If he were on say, the Packers or Patriots instead of the Lions, he'd be considered one of the top QBs in the league.

4,000 yards every year, a 2:1 career TD:INT ratio...ON THE LIONS.

He's one of 8 QBs in NFL history to throw for 5,000 in a season....again, ON THE LIONS.

He'll finish Top 10 easily in all-time passing yards, could make it up to 5th if he plays 5 more years, currently occupied by Phillip Rivers.


1 Drew Brees 80,358 2001-2020 2TM
2 Tom Brady 79,204 2000-2020 2TM
3 Peyton Manning 71,940 1998-2015 2TM
4 Brett Favre + 71,838 1991-2010 4TM
5 Philip Rivers 63,440 2004-2020 2TM
6 Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia
7 Ben Roethlisberger 60,348 2004-2020 pit
8 Eli Manning 57,023 2004-2019 nyg
9 Matt Ryan 55,767 2008-2020 atl
10 John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den
11 Aaron Rodgers 51,245 2005-2020 gnb
12 Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM
13 Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM
14 Carson Palmer 46,247 2004-2017 3TM
15 Vinny Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM
16 Matthew Stafford 45,109 2009-2020 det

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Sources: The Steelers are planning to sign ex-first-round QB Dwayne Haskins today. Haskins is meeting with the coaches now, and if all goes well, a deal will be hammered out.

NFLN

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274801]Sources: The Steelers are planning to sign ex-first-round QB Dwayne Haskins today. Haskins is meeting with the coaches now, and if all goes well, a deal will be hammered out.

NFLN[/quote]

That's pretty sweet for Dwayne. Good for him, I hope he gets his act together in a new environment.

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Good for him. Great landing spot. Hope he can stick. If so he could possibly start in 2022.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274801]Sources: The Steelers are planning to sign ex-first-round QB Dwayne Haskins today. Haskins is meeting with the coaches now, and if all goes well, a deal will be hammered out.

NFLN[/quote]

:sleep:

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Good luck to him, another BUST that Dan chose... Thank god he's out of that picture now

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He needs to grow up, fast

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He signed a 1 year deal.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-to-sign-former-washington-qb-and-first-round-pick-dwayne-haskins-to-a-one-year-deal/?fbclid=IwAR3Nd8Pb_VGf4ejT6s-jmE2YRCQpkm5LFipOPvbrbWcP-xg5_FzPhWMQROQ[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274801]Sources: The Steelers are planning to sign ex-first-round QB Dwayne Haskins today. Haskins is meeting with the coaches now, and if all goes well, a deal will be hammered out.

NFLN[/quote]

I bet he want in demanding jersey #7.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274817]I bet he want in demanding jersey #7.[/quote]

no, #12

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Sounds like it's a 1 year futures deal, so no risk for the Steelers.

He's already got a photoshopped pic of himself on Twitter in a Steelers uniform lol :doh:

He loves being a football player but I don't think he knows what it means to love playing football yet

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Obv Haskins is still young and immature and probably the guy Ron was referring to when he said he wants guys who love the game.

But I wouldn't bet against him. He's got the talent, maybe he just needed to hit rock bottom before he realizes he needs to rediscover the work ethic that got him to the league in the first place.

I reserve the right to change my opinion when the next video of him making it rain after taking an L as the Steelers starting qb comes out :D.

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[quote=MTK;1274811]He needs to grow up, fast[/quote]

Yeah Tomlin won't put up with his immature BS either...he better get it together to stay with them...he's fortunate.

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[quote=Redskins247;1274836]Yeah Tomlin won't put up with his immature BS either...he better get it together to stay with them...he's fortunate.[/quote]

That's what I'm saying. I think out of all the candidates to rehab him Tomlin is probably one of the better choices. If he fails Tomlin badly he might not get another look. But if he keeps his head down and just puts in work no telling how good he could be. Obviously that's an attractive destination too, even though we haven't heard anything yet I think Tomlin is gonna force Ben to retire or leave even if he doesn't want to.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1274824]no, #12[/quote]

His social page with his photoshopped beautifulness (complete with accompanying bible reference) has him in #3. 🙄

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Gets fired from his job for partying with nasty strippers in a pandemic...posts Bible verses.

I am not the Judge and if he actually did turn his life around and found God that quickly, that's awesome, but it's just an odd post considering circumstances. He has a track record of immaturity.

Anyways, good luck, kid...hope you turn everything around on and of the field.

I don't think he can beat out Josh Dobbs or even Duck Hodges for third-string QB if he comes back to town.

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Funny how there's a ton of speculation about Brees retiring but almost nada on Big Ben walking off into the sunset. I'd say aside from struggling with half his body being broken, Brees had a better year than Roethlisberger...

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If I'm Rivera, this would be my off season plans:

#1 step: resign our players with expiring contract - Heinicke, Allen, Scherff, Cam Sims (1-2 years) and Darby (2-3 years), Ryan Kerrigan (if he accepts being #3 - behind Young and Sweat), Dustin Hopkins, Reuben Foster, David Sharpe, Nick Sundberg.

- Heinicke and Allen: the goal is have them battle for the backup spot in the training camp
- Cam Sims: he improved toward ending of the season although I still want to see more from him, especially if he wants to be #3 WR.
- Darby: he played better and stayed healthy throughout the season, which exceeded my expectations although I think we could find a better CB but since we have multiple needs all over the team. We could do worse than Darby so I think 2-3 years contract is a good way to compromise on this area.
- Kerrigan: it's likely he will sign with a different team but I definitely would be happy to resign him if he isn't able to find a team that will allow him to start.
- Hopkins: he had a down year but even with the down year, he is still better than half of the kickers in the league. Resign him and find competitors for him.
- Foster: at this point, we do not know if Foster will be able to play well since he didn't play the last 2-3 years but we need LBs badly so we need to uncover any hidden gems available out there. Sign him to a 1-2 years contract.
- Sharpe: we need depth on Oline and we should look to the draft and FA to find competitors for Sharpe for the backup T spot.
- Sundberg: he always has been a reliable snapper for years for the team, do I need to say anything else?


#2 step: extend those players' contract that will expire next year - Jonathan Allen, Logan Thomas, JD McKissic and Tim Settle.
- Allen: no need for the explanation
- Thomas: he far exceeded my expectations. As some of you guys might remember, I mentioned in the offseason last year that I had a feeling Thomas will make some contributions to the team but I did not expect him to become one of the key offense players for the team. We might as well extend his contract instead of waiting until the contract expires as it will be more expensive to resign him if we wait.
- McKissic: I had no expectations from him, I thought he would be a poor version of Chris Thompson only to realize he is on the same level as Thompson, only he is a little better at running the ball.
- Settle: just like Allen, no need to explain.


#3 step: look for #1 QB, whether it's Watson or Stafford. If we missed out on both of those players, I would be tempted to roll with Heinicke or Allen as a starter. I don't see any QB in the free agency that I would love to sign if we weren't able to get Watson or Stafford. I would consider Ryan Fitzpatrick only if my offense coordinator wants him.


#4 step: try to sign those FA players:
- Wide Receivers: Chris Godwin or Allen Robinson. If we couldn't sign one of those 2 players, then I would consider Kenny Golladay or Curtis Samuel. The former players would be my #1 target.
- Tight Ends: Jonnu Smith. We need a second TE, while Smith is not the best blocker TE he has improved throughout time and Smith is pretty amazing at YAC which is perfect for our offense system.
- Oline: I don't see anyone that jumps out at me but I definitely want to have several Oline players to compete for #1 LT and LG. I will look to the draft for this area as well.
- LB: Just like my approach for Oline, I will want to sign a few LBs to compete for #1 spot. I would love to sign Lavonte David but I'm having hard time seeing him willing to leave a SB contender team.
- FS: we need a safety that can cover the field in the worst way, I would target Justin Simmons or Anthony Harris to play with Curl.

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/1/23/22245500/is-ron-riveras-impending-spending-spree-the-reason-kyle-smith-is-out?fbclid=IwAR3i1o92a6nW8S6gH-cnbLQvfsI-RRDKgdcWXOsMp6BqHV5GtRdA3HWre6E[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1275201][url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/1/23/22245500/is-ron-riveras-impending-spending-spree-the-reason-kyle-smith-is-out?fbclid=IwAR3i1o92a6nW8S6gH-cnbLQvfsI-RRDKgdcWXOsMp6BqHV5GtRdA3HWre6E[/url][/quote]

This makes a lot of sense to me. Also another reason why I wouldn't give up more than a first and a third for Stafford. If they mortgage the future because we have a "window" to contend and Stafford ends up injured we're basically setting ourselves back for multiple years.

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One of the best news of the offseason. Coach Rivera is officially cancer-free:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-riveras-daughter-courtney-announces-head-coach-cancer-free[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1275780]One of the best news of the offseason. Coach Rivera is officially cancer-free:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-riveras-daughter-courtney-announces-head-coach-cancer-free[/url][/quote]

Glad to hear it. Hopefully that's the last we hear of it, but I feel like recurring cancer is always a concern when you've had it at least once.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1275780]One of the best news of the offseason. Coach Rivera is officially cancer-free:

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-riveras-daughter-courtney-announces-head-coach-cancer-free[/url][/quote]

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