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[QUOTE=punch it in;1279501]Fitz is clearly the best option out there at the moment and the best stop gap quarterback we could get. Over the last two years he has actually been pretty damn good. It is a one year deal and we wasted no picks and did not break the bank. It might not be a splashy move but it was smart and puts us in contention in the nfc east for another year while we try and get a long term solution at quarterback. All the arm chair GM’s need to stop complaining about his age as if we signed him to a long term deal and realize he was the best option when you consider we are in year two of a three year rebuild.
He is better than kyle fuckin allen and there is no long term answer free agent out there. We tried for Stafford. We didn’t get him. So we get Fitz on a one year deal. He is better than anyone on our roster by a mile. If we can go 7-9 with a bust, a statue, and Kyle fuckin Allen than Fitz can win at least nine. Couple that with the draft , players coming back from injury, and year two in the same offensive and defensive schemes and things should be better. We can worry about 2022 down the road.[/QUOTE]


So how do you feel about Kyle Allen? Asking for a friend.


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[quote=calia;1279887]So how do you feel about Kyle Allen? Asking for a friend.


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If we draft Mac Jones or another promising rookie QB, he should be the first to go.

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[QUOTE=calia;1279887]So how do you feel about Kyle Allen? Asking for a friend.


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Haha. I should have been more clear. My bad.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1279768]Ryan Fitzpatrick's Last 16 starts:

4,414 Yards
27 Touchdowns
13 Interceptions
65.2 Completion %

WFT Quarterback Last 16 Starts:
3,768 Yards
16 Touchdowns
16 Interceptions
64.7 Completion %

Both on exactly 599 attempts.
#WashingtonFootball

If Fitz can give us 27 TDs and 13 Ints this team is winning 12 games[/quote]

Well damn, when you put it that way, a Jeff George move this is not!

Might have to grab a jersey with his number.

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[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/heres-fun-ryan-fitzpatrick-story-150211292.html[/url]

Fitzpatrick proposed to his wife at a McDonald's gas station.

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Dude I have a big FAN CRUSH on him lolol getting his jersey soon

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Fitz will own this town if he plays well and gets us to the playoffs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1280010]Dude I have a big FAN CRUSH on him lolol getting his jersey soon[/quote]

Better to by a jersey like his where you know he's only here short term and he can't possibly leave on bad terms.

His beard game is amazing.

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Honestly if you buy one it's worth it.. He's going to be fun to watch regardless

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Yeah, Fitz is already a legend, good jersey to buy as opposed to a Haskins or other unproven rookie that you'll regret buying in a year.

Glad I held off on the RG3 jersey, but I still wear the RG3 t-shirt I bought around the house. :D

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I wonder if the #1 QB position will be a true competition or will it be gifted to the higher paid QB?
I ask because Taylor Heinicke was playing pretty efficiently in Turner's system. If Heinicke is playing heads and shoulders better than Fitz, does TH get a legit shot to start game 1?

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I don't think Fitz would have came here without assurances the starting job would be his to lose.

Ron may talk about a "competition" at least to start off with, but that will be nothing more than coach speak.

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[quote=Defensewins;1280068]I wonder if the #1 QB position will be a true competition or will it be gifted to the higher paid QB?
I ask because Taylor [B]Heinicke was playing pretty efficiently in Turner's system[/B]. If Heinicke is playing heads and shoulders better than Fitz, does TH get a legit shot to start game 1?[/quote]

It was 1 game. There is no way to draw any kind of conclusion from one game. Fitzmagic is a bonafide NFL QB with a 15 year career. Heinicke has one NFL game in the last two years and that was because WFT was desperate for a QB who knew how the system worked. Unless Fitzmagic gets hurt he is the starter because there is zero chance that Heinicke outplays him.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1280068]I wonder if the #1 QB position will be a true competition or will it be gifted to the higher paid QB?

I ask because Taylor Heinicke was playing pretty efficiently in Turner's system. If Heinicke is playing heads and shoulders better than Fitz, does TH get a legit shot to start game 1?[/QUOTE]One of RR's first comments after the season was it was a mistake not to have a true qb competion. I think that he will give a reasonable attempt to push the eventual starter through competition. Also, Fitzgerald's money was not in the class of unquestioned starter, it definitely was backup qb pay.

So while I think Fitz starts IF either qb clearly steps up I won't be surprised to see him be a backup.


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[quote=irish;1280070]It was 1 game. There is no way to draw any kind of conclusion from one game. Fitzmagic is a bonafide NFL QB with a 15 year career. Heinicke has one NFL game in the last two years and that was because WFT was desperate for a QB who knew how the system worked. Unless Fitzmagic gets hurt he is the starter because there is zero chance that Heinicke outplays him.[/quote]

pretty much this

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1280071]One of RR's first comments after the season was it was a mistake not to have a true qb competion. I think that he will give a reasonable attempt to push the eventual starter through competition. Also, Fitzgerald's money was not in the class of unquestioned starter, it definitely was backup qb pay.

So while I think Fitz starts IF either qb clearly steps up I won't be surprised to see him be a backup.


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I think he regrets not having a competition mainly because he knew Dwayne wasn't the guy from the jump. Circumstances are a lot different this year.

I don't think they went sniffing around pretty much every available QB this offseason to bring in a backup. And RF just said yesterday on the Ross Tucker podcast interview the main reason he came here was the opportunity to play... reading the not so subtle tea leaves on what he said he's here to start.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1280074]I think he regrets not having a competition mainly because he knew Dwayne wasn't the guy from the jump. Circumstances are a lot different this year.



I don't think they went sniffing around pretty much every available QB this offseason to bring in a backup. And RF just said yesterday on the Ross Tucker podcast interview the main reason he came here was the opportunity to play... reading the not so subtle tea leaves on what he said he's here to start.[/QUOTE]I dont argue he is here to start, but on a 1 year deal that is clear backup money, I don't see that as a promise he is our starter. Moreso it is hey you are our starter with reservations.

Nothing about his deal says he is more than a bridge qb just in case we don't find one in training camp or through the draft.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1280079]I dont argue he is here to start, but on a 1 year deal that is clear backup money, I don't see that as a promise he is our starter. Moreso it is hey you are our starter with reservations.

Nothing about his deal says he is more than a bridge qb just in case we don't find one in training camp or through the draft.

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I wouldn't say $10M a year is clear backup money. Dalton just got the same $$ and he's not going to Chicago to be the backup. Clear backup $$ to me is in the ballpark of $2-4M a year, basically what Heinicke is getting.

$10M a year puts them both tied for 19th highest paid in the league for QB's. Not superstar money for sure but not backup either.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1280079]I dont argue he is here to start, but on a 1 year deal that is clear backup money, I don't see that as a promise he is our starter. Moreso it is hey you are our starter with reservations.

Nothing about his deal says he is more than a bridge qb just in case we don't find one in training camp or through the draft.

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It's not really backup money. It's more like low-end starter money. He'll bank more than 13 other projected starters next year. According to Spotrac, Taysom Hill is the only non-starting QB (maybe) that is to make more than Fitz in 2021.

He is a bridge QB, but he's the starter.

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[url]http://www.rosstucker.com/podcasts/ross-tucker-football-podcast/[/url]

Good listen here from Fitz

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Fitz had the 2nd fastest average time to release in the NFL next year, the avg time between the snap and his release of the ball was 2.37 seconds, 2nd best of all passers with 50 or more dropbacks.

Not a bad fit for an offense that wants to do its damage via YAC.

He also had a 92.7 grade from PFF on throws 20 yards downfield or more.

He's not a starter because he's paid like one, he's a starter because he's much better than people realize, and better than Heinicke.

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Fire that fucking pigskin. Can't wait for the magic show.

Good draft and a couple more depth to solid FA signings and we have a legit chance at double digit wins. C'mon April 29th!!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280081]It's not really backup money. It's more like low-end starter money. He'll bank more than 13 other projected starters next year. According to Spotrac, Taysom Hill is the only non-starting QB (maybe) that is to make more than Fitz in 2021.

He is a bridge QB, but he's the starter.[/quote]

When you take QB's still on rookie contracts out of that list you see he drops down to 2nd or 3rd lowest "starter" with only Cam Newton a clear starter below him. In addition, Marcus Mariotta is right below him and a clear backup at 8.8M, Nick Foles and Andy Dalton are both on the bears at 8 to 10 M one will be a starter, neither is the "clear" starter

The rest of the starters that are paid less than him are on rookie contracts, and I am positive if they came up for renewal they would be paid more than 20M if they have shown they are unquestioned starters:

QBs at 10M or less this year that are guaranteed starters (R = Rookie contract):

Baker Mayfield (R) (his backup Case Keenum is paid 6M)
Kyler Murray (R)
Josh Allen(R)
Daniel Jones(R)
Joe Burrow(R)
Tua Tag (R)
Justin Herbert(R)
Lamar Jackson(R)
Jalen Hurts (R)
Gardner Minshew(R)
Sam Darnold(R)
Denver QB (R) none are more than 2.5M don't know what they are doing
Cam Newton (5M) - maybe the only non-Rookie starter under 10M and that is because Brady left BB unhinged.

If either the rookie we draft or TH show they can be a multi-year starter, then Fitz will be a well paid backup. If they don't then he is an extremely cheap bridge qb.

Either way - I am excited about both Fitz and TH so between them and whatever rookie they sign I think we have the groundwork laid to finally get a successful QB in Washington

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Ultimately, Fitz will either be one of the lowest paid non-rookie starters, or one of the highest paid veteran backups.

And for the WFT, he brings good options to the hardest position for this team to fill.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1280091]When you take QB's still on rookie contracts out of that list you see he drops down to 2nd or 3rd lowest "starter" with only Cam Newton a clear starter below him. In addition, Marcus Mariotta is right below him and a clear backup at 8.8M, Nick Foles and Andy Dalton are both on the bears at 8 to 10 M one will be a starter, neither is the "clear" starter

The rest of the starters that are paid less than him are on rookie contracts, and I am positive if they came up for renewal they would be paid more than 20M if they have shown they are unquestioned starters:

QBs at 10M or less this year that are guaranteed starters (R = Rookie contract):

Baker Mayfield (R) (his backup Case Keenum is paid 6M)
Kyler Murray (R)
Josh Allen(R)
Daniel Jones(R)
Joe Burrow(R)
Tua Tag (R)
Justin Herbert(R)
Lamar Jackson(R)
Jalen Hurts (R)
Gardner Minshew(R)
Sam Darnold(R)
Denver QB (R) none are more than 2.5M don't know what they are doing
Cam Newton (5M) - maybe the only non-Rookie starter under 10M and that is because Brady left BB unhinged.

If either the rookie we draft or TH show they can be a multi-year starter, then Fitz will be a well paid backup. If they don't then he is an extremely cheap bridge qb.

Either way - I am excited about both Fitz and TH so between them and whatever rookie they sign I think we have the groundwork laid to finally get a successful QB in Washington[/quote]

Yep, that's why I said "low-end starter money". True, a lot of those guys are on rookie contracts, but I wasn't separating who was on their first, second, third, etc. contract; just where his 2021 salary ranks among the projected 2021 starters. The overwhelming majority of backups in the league make less than half what he is making.

Mariota took a pay cut to 3.5 Mil.

Either way, Fitz didn't come here to be a backup, and barring an injury he will be the starter. He has stated that he has no desire to watch football anymore, and if he isn't playing it's time to hang it up.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280093]Yep, that's why I said "low-end starter money". True, a lot of those guys are on rookie contracts, but I wasn't separating who was on their first, second, third, etc. contract; just where his 2021 salary ranks among the projected 2021 starters. The overwhelming majority of backups in the league make less than half what he is making.

Mariota took a pay cut to 3.5 Mil.

Either way, Fitz didn't come here to be a backup, and barring an injury he will be the starter. He has stated that he has no desire to watch football anymore, and if he isn't playing it's time to hang it up.[/quote]

There is a HUGE difference between 1st and 2nd contract money. We all know that. He may have come because he believes he has the best shot to start here, but since he is on a one year contract RR would be doing a disservice to the franchise NOT to make the job available to the best player. That most likely will be Fitz.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1280095]There is a HUGE difference between 1st and 2nd contract money. We all know that. He may have come because he believes he has the best shot to start here, but since he is on a one year contract RR would be doing a disservice to the franchise NOT to make the job available to the best player. That most likely will be Fitz.[/quote]

Not most likely, barring injury Fitz will absolutely be the starter. WFT has no other legit options at starting QB.

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[quote=irish;1280096]Not most likely, barring injury Fitz will absolutely be the starter. WFT has no other legit options at starting QB.[/quote]

Totally agree. It was a fun story last year but the Heinicke hype is just that, hype. Otherwise Ron wouldn't have tried trading for Stafford and inquired about several other guys. There's not going to be a legitimate QB competition, nor should there be.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1280095]There is a HUGE difference between 1st and 2nd contract money. We all know that. He may have come because he believes he has the best shot to start here, but since he is on a one year contract RR would be doing a disservice to the franchise NOT to make the job available to the best player. [B]That most likely will be Fitz.[/B][/quote]

Agreed.

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There absolutely should be a competition. Yes Heinecke was a one off, but Fitz is on a 1 year deal and is 38. They should bring in a late round rookie, and let them compete mainly so we know what we have in 2022.

Also, of course you go for Stafford over Heinicke that is a no brainer. But Fitz isnt Stafford, he is on his 9th team for a reason. If he wins the starting job that is fine and in 2022 we are back to the whole qb drawing board.

I think some of this discussion assumes I or others are arguing for Heinicke. I am not. I am saying the goal of the coaching staff should be to find a long term solution at the qb, and you do that through competition. Until we have a qb we can seriously count on for 3-4 years minimum there should be competition every year.

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A true QB competition is between 2 guys. If we're talking about a competition between 3 or 4 guys, that's just not how it works in the NFL. There simply aren't enough snaps to go around in order to properly evaluate everyone. Jay Gruden was on Ben Standig's podcast recently and said the same thing.

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Don't worry man. I'm confident that there will be a competition at every position, and the best player at each position will be the starter. At QB, that will be Fitz. If he balls out, and they don't find their QB of the future in the next 18 months, look for him to come back and do it again.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1280104]Don't worry man. I'm confident that there will be a competition at every position, and the best player at each position will be the starter. At QB, that will be Fitz. If he balls out, and they don't find their QB of the future in the next 18 months, look for him to come back and do it again.[/QUOTE]I love Fitz and think he was the best get after missing out on Stafford, I also think he is better now and with the weapons the WFT has he can light it up this year. If he does, the rest of the division will be watching at home come playoff time!

But I won't be shocked if we see him end the season as the backup.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1280084][B]Fire that fucking pigskin. Can't wait for the magic show. [/B]

Good draft and a couple more depth to solid FA signings and we have a legit chance at double digit wins. C'mon April 29th!![/quote]

Yeah wait until he has a couple 3 int games. The spaz outs will be epic around here.

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[quote=MTK;1280097]Totally agree. It was a fun story last year but the Heinicke hype is just that, hype. Otherwise Ron wouldn't have tried trading for Stafford and inquired about several other guys. There's not going to be a legitimate QB competition, nor should there be.[/quote]

It may or may not be hype. It needs to play itself out in competition. That is the only way we'll know about TH. Just based off of what we saw he at least deserves as shot to compete for the job. I wouldn't just hand the job to Fitz. Someone needs to earn it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1280111]Yeah wait until he has a couple 3 int games. The spaz outs will be epic around here.[/quote]

I'm already locked in for at least 4 games of multiple INT's. Hopefully he doesn't blow his load in like the 1st 6 weeks. McLaurin going for 1400+ this year. Going official superstar status.

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Well WFT had five games with multiple INTs last year, so I'm not too worried about it.

Anyway, I think the difference will be that he won't be charged with having to do it all with the weapons at his disposal, and this defense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1280111]Yeah wait until he has a couple 3 int games. The spaz outs will be epic around here.[/quote]

+1

He's always good for a couple every year. I'm just hoping his ratio of good games to bad games is 3/1. If he does that we can contend for the division title (still don't think we can keep up with the TB's of the world though).

Real talk though, when Fitz was drafted in 2005 did anybody think 16 years later he'd be starting for the WFT? Hell of a story for him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1280111]Yeah wait until he has a couple 3 int games. The spaz outs will be epic around here.[/quote]

Hopefully he can keep those games to a minimum here, but it will probably happen. I think that this team, specifically the defense, is built to overcome it though when it does happen.

WFT QBs had five games with at least two INTs, and three games with 3 INTs last year.

You will be hard pressed to find a NFL starter who doesn't do that from time to time.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280123]Hopefully he can keep those games to a minimum here, but it will probably happen. I think that this team, specifically the defense, is built to overcome it though when it does happen.

WFT QBs had five games with at least two INTs, and three games with 3 INTs last year.

You will be hard pressed to find a NFL starter who doesn't do that from time to time.[/quote]

If you're gonna have an aggressive QB, matching him up with a good defense is the best option. There will also be games where he's on fire and we drop 21 points by half and our defense just puts the other teams QB's dick in the dirt.

We will be exciting. With exciting play comes some eggs.

I'll take it this year.