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Charles is not depth. I think he is destined to start on the left side of our OL, probably at LG.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1281988]The latest rumor is NE is willing to move up to Lance or Fields..

I agree, no shot Lance is at 19 and if he somehow does or Fields, you run up as fast as u can and take them[/quote]

I read Fields, but not Lance.

The 49ers seem like they're taking Jones...Kyle loves him.

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[quote=punch it in;1281992]I think the offense will be improved no doubt. [B]Im not buying the, we were a couple fg’s away from being a top ten offense[/B] though because the Defense literally put us in great field position all season. As good as our defense was, or is, that is a huge ask. At some point the Offense has to move the chains consistently not just to score but to give the defense a rest. The offense I watched last year was filthy bad and yes we have upgraded a couple spots, Gibson is healthy, and Fitz and Heineken > Crapkins and an immobile AS, but I think the o line played way above their heads last year, and I don’t believe they can sustain that level of play without a new LT. Plus if Fitz gets hurt early because he doesn’t have proper protection do you really feel great putting Heineken and his injury history behind that same line?
There are two different scenarios at play here with pick 19. We help what we saw on the offensive side last year or the defensive side. My memory says help the offense.[/quote]

You don't have to buy it, it's just a fact. They scored 21.1 points per game last year, ranked 25th in the league. Six more points puts them at 27.1, good for 10th in the league.

I just don't see O-line as something that they desperately need to address. Yes it requires attention because 80% of them have contracts expiring over the next two years. However, as good as the defense was last year, the schedule is much tougher this year. If they don't address the back seven - and inject some serious talent there, the offenses they will face this year will move the ball at will, just like TB did in the playoffs.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1282000]You don't have to buy it, it's just a fact. They scored 21.1 points per game last year, ranked 25th in the league. Six more points puts them at 27.1, good for 10th in the league.

I just don't see O-line as something that they desperately need to address. Yes it requires attention because 80% of them have contracts expiring over the next two years. However, as good as the defense was last year, the schedule is much tougher this year. If they don't address the back seven - and inject some serious talent there, the offenses they will face this year will move the ball at will, just like TB did in the playoffs.[/quote]

Dustin Hopkins' misses last year gets you 6 more points per game. :D

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[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1282003]Dustin Hopkins' misses last year gets you 6 more points per game. :D[/QUOTE]



Right and he is still here. Lol. 6 points a game is not a minor tweek. Hell we were 10 points a game from being the highest scoring team in the league. Does anyone think we were close to being the highest scoring team in the league? Stats can be very misleading. A td here a fg there sounds easy. It is not.

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My preference is a stud LB with our first pick.

Our D is our strength -- let's make it stronger with a LB that will destroy people behind that D-Line.

We can continue to build our O-Line with later picks and tackle is deep as we all know.

Just my two cents. We have so many paths we could take, it'd take a really bizarre choice to make me upset.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez685UcXMAEPpY9?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

So I don't know of this was an error or not but the background screen shows RD1 Pick 8 for Washington lol HMMMM

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looks like we're taking someone called lastnames? I think he's a punter.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1282022][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez685UcXMAEPpY9?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

So I don't know of this was an error or not but the background screen shows RD1 Pick 8 for Washington lol HMMMM[/quote]

And the silhouette looks like a QB...

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Could be a small mistake by the IT dept but it was reported that Carolina is looking to trade

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[quote=punch it in;1282012]Right and he is still here. Lol. 6 points a game is not a minor tweek. Hell we were 10 points a game from being the highest scoring team in the league. Does anyone think we were close to being the highest scoring team in the league? Stats can be very misleading. A td here a fg there sounds easy. It is not.[/quote]

I am just saying that the additions of Fitzpatrick and Curtis Samuel, along with whatever they do in the draft, will likely make the offense better, and produce more points per game.

I never said this team was close to being the highest scoring team in the league, but yes they can improve on where they were and get into the top 10 with the additions they have made and an even better defense that has the ability to score, or at the very least, flip the field.

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[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1282018]My preference is a stud LB with our first pick.



Our D is our strength -- let's make it stronger with a LB that will destroy people behind that D-Line.



We can continue to build our O-Line with later picks and tackle is deep as we all know.



Just my two cents. We have so many paths we could take, it'd take a really bizarre choice to make me upset.[/QUOTE]



...And with the 19th pick in the 2021 NFL draft the WFT selects Goober McDouche, Fullback from Cooter County Community College in Georgia.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1282026]I am just saying that the additions of Fitzpatrick and Curtis Samuel, along with whatever they do in the draft, will likely make the offense better, and produce more points per game.



I never said this team was close to being the highest scoring team in the league, but yes they can improve on where they were and get into the top 10 with the additions they have made and an even better defense that has the ability to score, or at the very least, flip the field.[/QUOTE]



Completely agree the offense will be better. It cannot be worse. I will be absolutely shocked, and elated, if they are a top ten offense though. Especially if they go Defense with the 19th pick.

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Without even an average between the tackles run game .. I dont think out offense can be top 15. There is only so much misdirection and outside tackle sweep plays we can call.

We couldnt run block and we couldnt really call 5-7 step drop, deep developing passing plays.

Hopefully this year we can see how much of our offensive playcalling in '20 was by scheme or dictated by personnel.

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i want a LB give me Parsons or Davis.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1281528]Trevon Moehrig, Safety, TCU

With the number of quality WR, OT, and LB prospects that will be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, RR grabs the best free safety in the draft at 19 to help shore up the back end of the D.[/quote]

I’m coming around to this as a possibility.

If JOK, USC kid, no Top Tackles or no top three WR make it...give me the top free safety.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1282000]You don't have to buy it, it's just a fact. They scored 21.1 points per game last year, ranked 25th in the league. Six more points puts them at 27.1, good for 10th in the league.

I just don't see O-line as something that they desperately need to address. Yes it requires attention because 80% of them have contracts expiring over the next two years. However, as good as the defense was last year, the schedule is much tougher this year. If they don't address the back seven - and inject some serious talent there, the offenses they will face this year will move the ball at will, just like TB did in the playoffs.[/quote]

Pass the Kool-Aid, LOL. Previous poster was correct, offense was horrid. We don't have a single elite player on O. We have nothing at QB with any long term potential outside of Hein. Just adding six points to a per game average is not easy with nothing at QB and not a single elite player except RG.

The o-line needs to be addressed for salary cap reasons. We have one lineman who is anything but above average at best, who can't stay healthy, isn't under contract long term. Both Ts free agents after next year, are above 30 then, and are average at best. We can't hand them new deals and keep DL intact. We got owned by teams with better DLs all year long, which is a HUGE reason we only beat one winning team.

You draft BPA, you don't pigeonhole need. Our O was ATROCIOUS, but you can't fix everything in one year. It starts with QB, which we botched already.
We should be improved, but at some point you need elite players on O, especially at LT, QB.

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[quote=Chico23231;1282056]I’m coming around to this as a possibility.

If JOK, USC kid, no Top Tackles or no top three WR make it...give me the top free safety.[/quote]

Except that Moehrig isn't a prototypical FS. He's basically an athletic SS and certainly not a deep center fielder FS in NFL. No other safety warrants a 1st round pick.

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[quote=Scalper;1282058]Except that Moehrig isn't a prototypical FS. He's basically an athletic SS and certainly not a deep center fielder FS in NFL. No other safety warrants a 1st round pick.[/quote]

I’ve heard a different opinion...I’d want a free safety tho.

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[quote=punch it in;1282012]Right and he is still here. Lol. 6 points a game is not a minor tweek. Hell we were 10 points a game from being the highest scoring team in the league. Does anyone think we were close to being the highest scoring team in the league? Stats can be very misleading. A td here a fg there sounds easy. It is not.[/quote]

Ten points a game, in an average, is a TON. You are totally correct. Did anyone here ever take a statistics course, not dumbed down one, but a real one? The more samples in a mean, the harder it becomes to move the mean. Stats are not misleading, idiots misinterpreting them are.

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I changed my mind about who the team will draft after learning that the team is talking to Collins about playing as LB. If we decide to move Collins to LB, which would make it difficult to justify drafting JOK (my original guess) who is generally similar to Collins in terms of size and ability to move around quicker. Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing talents, just general.

I still believe we will target LB or Oline, whichever player with the highest grade on the board will be drafted. Although I'm still sticking with LB because I think all best Olines players will be gone by the time we pick so my guess it will be Jamin Davis or Zaven Collins.

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[quote=Scalper;1282057]Pass the Kool-Aid, LOL. Previous poster was correct, offense was horrid. We don't have a single elite player on O. We have nothing at QB with any long term potential outside of Hein. Just adding six points to a per game average is not easy with nothing at QB and not a single elite player except RG.

The o-line needs to be addressed for salary cap reasons. We have one lineman who is anything but above average at best, who can't stay healthy, isn't under contract long term. Both Ts free agents after next year, are above 30 then, and are average at best. We can't hand them new deals and keep DL intact. We got owned by teams with better DLs all year long, which is a HUGE reason we only beat one winning team.

You draft BPA, you don't pigeonhole need. Our O was ATROCIOUS, but you can't fix everything in one year. It starts with QB, which we botched already.
We should be improved, but at some point you need elite players on O, especially at LT, QB.[/quote]

The offense was "horrid" for two reasons:

1. No QB.
2. No threat opposite McLaurin.

Both have been addressed, and I am sure they are not done.

As has been said already and exhaustively, there won't be any "elite" LTs on the board at 19.

IMO, for both the long term and short term, the best and most impactful pick would be a LB or the FS, if they don't trade it. And Moehrig is projected to be a true game-changing FS.

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Don’t overthink this. Take the LT from VATech at 19

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez-71qHXIAcRW73?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

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Sims is a fucking moron

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Justin Fields gets no love from the mock drafters...lol

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Please no trades up for a QB. So much to give up for a guy that's likely not even going to play this year if all goes according to plan.

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I don't see it. I wouldn't be surprised if they took one in rounds 2-4, but not in the top 10.

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No way NE trades up 4 to take a WR. I could see them trade with Carolina though even that seems unlikely.

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Yeah the chance Fields falls to 32 are NONE

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1282080]No way NE trades up 4 to take a WR. I could see them trade with Carolina though even that seems unlikely.

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New England isn’t taken a WR...

They are going defense or QB

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1282083]New England isn’t taken a WR...



They are going defense or QB[/QUOTE]Agreed. I do think a trade to Carolina for QB is something Bellichek might do. His FA spending seems to say he is pushing big this year, and Newton isn't the guy. Though i could also see him trade for Garropolo if SF doesn't ask for crazy returns.

Simms' mock is crazy. Another thing I can't see is the Bengals passing on Sewell if Atlanta takes Pitts.

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With Flowers back they will prob focus on LB/QB now

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I think the chance of us picking at 19 is less then 50-50. I could see us jumping up a few spots to grab a guy who falls, or dropping a few spots to get extra picks. 19 holds no special place in the draft day scheme.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1282088]I think the chance of us picking at 19 is less then 50-50. I could see us jumping up a few spots to grab a guy who falls, or dropping a few spots to get extra picks. 19 holds no special place in the draft day scheme.

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The Titans have also said they want to move out of 22 to add more picks

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1282087]With Flowers back they will prob focus on LB/QB now[/QUOTE]I liked Flowers as a guard. That should help solidify the interior of our line.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1282089]The Titans have also said they want to move out of 22 to add more picks[/QUOTE]Hadn't heard that but not surprised. In terms of trading back though 19 is better than 22 if we make it a reasonable value and a team does want a specific DL player as they are the ones most likely to fall and we wouldn't be inclined to take.

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The closer we get the more I think we're looking to take a LB in the 1st.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1282088]I think the chance of us picking at 19 is less then 50-50. I could see us jumping up a few spots to grab a guy who falls, or dropping a few spots to get extra picks. 19 holds no special place in the draft day scheme.

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I agree. I don't know Football Teams draft board but I'd imagine most teams only have 15-20 guys graded out as legitimate first rounders.

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JOK, Darrisaw, or Parsons if available (and if FO okays Parsons). Otherwise, trade down since rounds 2 and 3 are loaded with potential value.

Problem is, can we really find a trade partner who sees a must-have at 19? Maybe someone who needs an edge guy like Paye or Owen? 19 is a real tweener spot this year.