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[quote=MTK;1291322]Bask in the glow of victory dude, just think about Giants fans this morning waking up totally miserable.[/quote]

WFT fans should be happy but Giants fans aren't as doom and gloom as you might think. Barkley seems to be getting better and Jones look pretty good the Secondary which should be our strength is having problems but a 17 game season is a long season. It's where you finish that matters.

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[quote=Giantone;1291364]WFT fans should be happy but Giants fans aren't as doom and gloom as you might think. Barkley seems to be getting better and Jones look pretty good the Secondary which should be our strength is having problems but a 17 game season is a long season. It's where you finish that matters.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1291364]WFT fans should be happy but Giants fans aren't as doom and gloom as you might think. Barkley seems to be getting better and Jones look pretty good the Secondary which should be our strength is having problems but a 17 game season is a long season. It's where you finish that matters.[/QUOTE]


Yeah i think the big picture ya gotta be happy about Jones. He was the biggest question mark. Gettleman is fired after this year and ya took the ball outta barkleys hands last night which was a mistake. But that was a gut punch. Just the way ya lost. If that was reversed i might be on a bridge right now.

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Just savage

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1291294]Question about Heineken, can he be an effective starter answered last night.



Worried about the defense, but like said above can be fixed. I thought we were gonna play more man this year…guess not?[/QUOTE]I don’t think one game on a short week really answers much. I love me some Heinicke, but this Bills game will tell us so much more about how teams prepare and play him. One other thing, he needs to play with the same oomph whether we are 4 points up or 4 points down.

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I like that were some definite things we wanted to improve on ... and we did.

1. Get Terry looks. He was 11 catches, 107 yds, 1 td on 14 targets. Seond play from LOS was a pass to Terry.

2. Get Thomas and Humphries involved. Thomas 5 catches 7 targets, Humphries 7 catches 8 targets.

3. Jonathan Allen had a monster game against an injured IOL. 6 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 TFL, 3 QB hits. Fed Ex Defensive Player of the Week candidate.

4. Matty I .. good to see he came back and played after that knee scare. Quiet game, credited w 1 tackle.

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That busy was all on WJ. They were playing C2 to his side


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Getting a NFC East win is so much bigger than lossing to AFC opponent.

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Curious to see the run numbers.

Seemed we ran right more and we more productive on that side.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1291284]It's still early but I am very concerned about the lack of plays CY and Sweat are making.. More so Young because many predicted him to have an Aaron Donald type season... So far his ass has been 70% missing.. Payne and Allen have been the best 2.[/quote]

I've gone back and watched defensive clips from our first two games, and has noticed Young is often being chipped by either a RB or TE on plays. There are other times he's facing a double-team. He's still a young pup and will have to find a counter.

Payne and, more so, Allen are occasionally being held but not warranting any calls. Allen was held about three times last night but to no avail regarding a flag (once for Payne that I can recall).

It's still early, so I'm not panicking. There's some kinks that needs to be remedied, and if the D can get on track then we're gonna be a tough out. HTTWFT!

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[quote=mredskins;1291307]Exactly and we don't know how the season will play out.

We always complain we don't get breaks and last night we got all the breaks and folks are bitching. Geez.

We are .500 team this season and really if the defense can be who they are suppose to be that percent could go up.

My Debbie Downer comment:
CY is not doing jack shit; i specifically focused on him at times and he creates very little pressure. Hope he turns it around. Sophomore slump?[/quote]

We didn’t get all the breaks,that terrible spot by the refs and then the replay not overturning it,cmon wtf,I didn’t even think it was that close of a call where there would be any doubt.We were just lucky we got the 1st down anyway,bit if we didn’t that changes the whole game

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[quote=Ruhskins;1291346]I think what's crazy is that the offense can be so much better, that's scary. There's no way we should be out rushed by Danny f*cking Jones when we have Gibson and McKissic. Our team had 87 rushing yard, Jones had 95, that just can't happen.

Back to the TD, yeah that was a sick pass and catch.[/quote]

It's a passing league now so to me the days of ground and pound and piling up a lot of rushing yards are over. Many of the short passes are basically run plays anyway, so the rushing yardage thing doesn't bother me. How many times did we put up 30 or more last year? Maybe once??

What bothers me is allowing Jones to have 100 yards. Inexcusable. He isn't Lamar Jackson. They looked lost and not prepared for the read option.

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[quote=SunnySide;1291370]I like that were some definite things we wanted to improve on ... and we did.

1. Get Terry looks. He was 11 catches, 107 yds, 1 td on 14 targets. Seond play from LOS was a pass to Terry.

2. Get Thomas and Humphries involved. Thomas 5 catches 7 targets, Humphries 7 catches 8 targets.

3. Jonathan Allen had a monster game against an injured IOL. 6 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 TFL, 3 QB hits. Fed Ex Defensive Player of the Week candidate.

4. Matty I .. good to see he came back and played after that knee scare. Quiet game, credited w 1 tackle.[/quote]

JA seemed like the only guy last night on the line that was dominant. The rest of them just nothing.

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New York Giants
Quarterbacks

Jones had a strong performance against a defense that’s fresh off of a surprisingly impressive 2020 season. In spite of being sacked four times, Jones managed the pocket well enough to push the ball downfield,[B] recording an adjusted completion rate well over 80% while posting an 11-yard average depth of target. In addition, 83% of his yardage came before the catch[/B]. Four drops — one on a wide-open touchdown pass — cost him an even better stat line.

The Giants offensive line continues to struggle in the Dave Gettleman era, but center Billy Price was particularly problematic versus Washington, losing matchups against [B]Daron Payne and Jonathan Allen to the tune of a 14% pressure rate allowed.[/B] He also allowed a sack. The rest of the unit surrendered nine additional pressures and a second sack.

Defensive Backs

New York rotated in multiple DBs on passing downs to match up with Washington's receiving corps, but starting cornerbacks Adoree' Jackson and James Bradberry performed well, allowing just 83 yards (and two touchdowns) despite being targeted 15 times. [B]Each's average depth of target was beyond eight yards (15 for Jackson), suggesting that they stood up in coverage on deeper and in-breaking routes.[/B]

Washington Football Team
Quarterback

Heinicke showed well for a backup quarterback who was making his first start of the season on a short week. His throws didn’t flash quite as bright as Jones', but he managed the game well enough to finish with a 99.5 passer rating. [B]Sixty-seven percent of his throws were short of the sticks,[/B] forcing Washington's playmakers to create yardage after the catch. He finished with over 300 yards and converted 14 first downs.

Defensive Line

Washington's young pass-rushing core flashed its potential once again, as the unit was able to affect Jones repeatedly without much action coming from Chase Young (who still had two tackles for loss on the night). [B]Payne and Allen ate up the Giants' interior, combining for 10 pressures and two sacks between their 62 snaps.[/B] Montez Sweat is proving to be an ideal secondary rusher, using his combination of length and power to rack up five pressures and a sack against New York.

Defensive Backs

Washington's trio of Benjamin St-Juste, Kendall Fuller and William Jackson III had their hands full all night, giving up 155 yards and a touchdown. [B]Jackson was asked to play more tight one-on-one coverage than his teammates[/B], and though he forced two incompletions, the reps he lost cost the defense two explosive passing gains and a 115 passer rating. His night was spared by two drops while he was the primary coverage defender.


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Role reversals. The Giants lost to us in a manner that we seem to always lose to them. When presented with the game on a silver platter, they only ran off 16 seconds of clock and settled for a field goal, leaving us 2 minutes to drive into field goal range. Then they were off-sides on the game-ending field goal miss that gave us another try at it. Feels good.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1291375]It's still early, so I'm not panicking. There's some kinks that needs to be remedied, and if the D can get in track then we're gonna be a tough out. HTTWFT![/quote]

I agree with this. I think that there must have been some real high expectations for this defense based on some of the utter dismay I have seen with regard to the first two games.

Admittedly, I thought we would see a much better defense than we have thus far, but I still believe this will be a top 10 unit in the end. I mean you couldn't have expected that they were just going to shut opponents down right off the bat - especially with all the new pieces in the secondary. Fuller and Curl are really the only dudes getting significant snaps - who also got significant snaps last year. It's going to take a minute for it to all come together. Maybe it never will...maybe JDR sucks...maybe CY is a bust... I don't think any of that is true, but time will tell.

Either way, they are 1-1, and I'm not panicking after two games.

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Dynami Brown
McLaurin
Gibson
Mckissic
RSJ
LT
Humphries
Sims
Samuel hasn’t even played yet.
We got weapons. We just need the staff to do a better job.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1291381]I agree with this. I think that there must have been some real high expectations for this defense based on some of the utter dismay I have seen with regard to the first two games.

Admittedly, I thought we would see a much better defense than we have thus far, but I still believe this will be a top 10 unit in the end. I mean you couldn't have expected that they were just going to shut opponents down right off the bat - especially with all the new pieces in the secondary. Fuller and Curl are really the only dudes getting significant snaps - who also got significant snaps last year. It's going to take a minute for it to all come together. Maybe it never will...maybe JDR sucks...maybe CY is a bust... I don't think any of that is true, but time will tell.

Either way, they are 1-1, and I'm not panicking after two games.[/quote]

Given the talent here and the natural assumption they would improve over last year when they were top 5 in a lot of categories, they are seriously underperforming right now. I don't think it's too crazy that fans expected more at this point. Long way to go, but they need to pick it up.

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[quote=MTK;1291383]Given the talent here and the natural assumption they would improve over last year when they were top 5 in a lot of categories, they are seriously underperforming right now. I don't think it's too crazy that fans expected more at this point. Long way to go, but they need to pick it up.[/quote]

Agreed. We retained most of our starters from last year with the exception of a couple - it's natural to expect improvement. At least they have plenty of time left to get the issues worked out. But if we can get improvement on the back end we have the talent to compete with nearly everybody.

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[quote=MTK;1291383]Given the talent here and the natural assumption they would improve over last year when they were top 5 in a lot of categories, they are seriously underperforming right now. I don't think it's too crazy that fans expected more at this point. Long way to go, but they need to pick it up.[/quote]

I don't think it's crazy to expect more, like I said, I expected more too.

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That Fuller blitz worked out nicely

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[quote=punch it in;1291366]Yeah i think the big picture ya gotta be happy about Jones. He was the biggest question mark. Gettleman is fired after this year and ya took the ball outta barkleys hands last night which was a mistake. But that was a gut punch. Just the way ya lost. If that was reversed i might be on a bridge right now.[/quote]

Gettlemen isn't getting fired. Between his age and his health issues there was talk of his retiring .

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Interesting stats for the linebackers:

Cole Holcomb has been in on 100% of the defensive snaps through the first two games.

Bostic - 84% vs LA / 57% vs NY

Davis - 56% vs LA / 39% vs NY

I was hoping to see Davis' snaps go UP, but it appears that both he and Bostic saw less action. It's been mostly a 4-2-5 alignment so far, and St-Juste was the beneficiary of Bostic and Davis' reduced snaps last night.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1291295]Fuller is bad now, idk what has happened.. WJ3 Is solid and will get better with the new scheme. [B]Moreland should have been kept[/B][/quote]

Don't know what you saw in Moreland, if he was any good he'd still be here.
Not even active for Texans week 1.

:saywhat:

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[quote=Giantone;1291387]Gettlemen isn't getting fired. Between his age and his health issues there was talk of his retiring .[/quote]

G1, time to take this poster down off your wall

Giants (18-48) have the worst record in the NFL since this picture was taken:

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These guys look like bitches

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[quote=davy;1291389]Don't know what you saw in Moreland, if he was any good he'd still be here.
Not even active for Texans week 1.

:saywhat:[/quote]

He was a solid #4-5CB, but to think that somehow him being here this year would be making any difference whatsoever is a bit of a stretch.

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[quote=Chico23231;1291391]G1, time to take this poster down off your wall

Giants (18-48) have the worst record in the NFL since this picture was taken:

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These guys look like bitches[/quote]

LMAO Odell is very very feminine

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Couple things about that picture, why are they wearing boots and jeans on a boat? It doesn't make you look tough it makes you look like a poser.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1291392]He was a solid #4-5CB, but to think that somehow him being here this year would be making any difference whatsoever is a bit of a stretch.[/quote]

Totally agree, Moreland would be making zero difference right now. I get it, it was a curious move at the time to keep Apke mainly as a special teams guy, but Apke hasn't been out there. So what good would Moreland be doing right now considering he wouldn't even be playing.

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Not only did Dustin Hopkins give Washington the win with his field goal, he gave QB Taylor Heinicke a nice payday.

By playing in over 60% of the snaps and Washington getting a win, Heinicke earned a $125,000 incentive.

Significant kick by Hopkins.

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Washington's highest graded Week 2 defender per
@PFF
is... Jamin Davis (89.0) followed by Montez Sweat and Jonathan Allen.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1291400]Ben Standig
@BenStandig
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Washington's highest graded Week 2 defender per
@PFF
is... Jamin Davis (89.0) followed by Montez Sweat and Jonathan Allen.[/quote]

JDR, please put Jamin Davis in the game more. At least flip-flop his time on the field compare to Bostic's for a couple weeks, and let's see what we have. Not much to lose, but potentially a lot to gain by doing this.

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Nice win! Fun to be on the good side of crazy for a change. Go ahead and raise your hands how many MOFO'ed Hopkins and laughed and then mofo'ed him again because the 2nd kick started off exactly like the first. I though he missed it again at first. :woot::towel::headbanger::cheers:hitfan:

G-1?? Did you post this vid?? Come on man, its just a game :Smoker:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRU6Kv6l9Kk[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1291397]Couple things about that picture, why are they wearing boots and jeans on a boat? It doesn't make you look tough it makes you look like a poser.[/quote]

All that was said at the time, funny chico shows a poster of the last playoff team, It will be ten years since the Giants won the SB what about you chico?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1291407]Nice win! Fun to be on the good side of crazy for a change. Go ahead and raise your hands how many MOFO'ed Hopkins and laughed and then mofo'ed him again because the 2nd kick started off exactly like the first. I though he missed it again at first. :woot::towel::headbanger::cheers:hitfan:

G-1?? Did you post this vid?? Come on man, its just a game :Smoker:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRU6Kv6l9Kk[/url][/quote]

Was that someones live feed because why would you publish that? 🤦🏻*♂️

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1291407]Nice win! Fun to be on the good side of crazy for a change. Go ahead and raise your hands how many MOFO'ed Hopkins and laughed and then mofo'ed him again because the 2nd kick started off exactly like the first. I though he missed it again at first. :woot::towel::headbanger::cheers:hitfan:

G-1?? Did you post this vid?? Come on man, its just a game :Smoker:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRU6Kv6l9Kk[/url][/quote]

Lol…that video is hilarious. That guy belongs on the boat picture face down

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[quote=Chico23231;1291416]Lol…that video is hilarious. That guy belongs on the boat picture face down[/quote]

That's a sweet ass man cave though. Props to him on that.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1291407]Nice win! Fun to be on the good side of crazy for a change. Go ahead and raise your hands how many MOFO'ed Hopkins and laughed and then mofo'ed him again because the 2nd kick started off exactly like the first. I though he missed it again at first. :woot::towel::headbanger::cheers:hitfan:

G-1?? Did you post this vid?? Come on man, its just a game :Smoker:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRU6Kv6l9Kk[/url][/quote]

Reminds me of this: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XQTEVj9aOk[/url]