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[quote=Ruhskins;1292643]Was this the 3rd down where the Bills o-lineman was behind Jon Allen and had his arm hooked around his neck?

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Not a defensive specialist but shouldn't 99 be going towards the QB in that pic. Looks like he is heading towards a beer vendor instead. Again, I am not a expert.

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[quote=mredskins;1292649]Not a defensive specialist but shouldn't 99 be going towards the QB in that pic. Looks like he is heading towards a beer vendor instead. Again, I am not a expert.[/quote]

If you watch that play, Payne was almost tackled, and Sweat was held as well.

CY was engaged with the tackle and then knocked off balance by Knox who chip blocked him in his way out of the backfield to the flat. He wasn't running away.

Edit: Nevermind - Chase just got handled by the RT. Knox didn't touch him.

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[quote=MTK;1292638]When they converted the 3rd and 15 right off the bat I pretty much knew then the game was over.[/quote]

My exact energy

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Very appropriate gif Chico. I had the same feeling when they converted that 3rd and 15.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1292640]I know they do, but I hadn't seen CY do it and he looked lost in the one play that stuck out.

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I get it - you want to show different looks - but I know the play you are referring to - Allen completed the pass to the receiver next to Young - and Young looked like he had no idea what was going on. It's ok to put a DE in coverage - if he knows how to cover.

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there were a couple big time holds that were not called but that wouldn't have changed the outcome. That was a matchup of top 10 team v bottom 10 team and it showed big time

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[quote=mooby;1292665]I get it - you want to show different looks - but I know the play you are referring to - Allen completed the pass to the receiver next to Young - and Young looked like he had no idea what was going on. It's ok to put a DE in coverage - if he knows how to cover.[/quote]

Really? but there is no such requirement for our starting linebackers

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Complaining about calls is sour grapes. We have certainly got are fair share go our way this year. I mean the refs and the Giants gave us a win.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1292680]Complaining about calls is sour grapes. We have certainly got are fair share go our way this year. I mean the refs and the Giants gave us a win.[/quote]

Eh, you can do both in my opinion. Two blatant non-calls in two key moments (the 3rd and 15 hold and what should have been an OPI on Diggs) extended drives that led to TDs.

Outcome would have likely be the same, but we got f'ed over in the first half by the refs (as much as the defense also f'ed us over).

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1292605][B]The Giants win was a gift. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'll take it. I still don't understand why it's a bad thing to be gifted a win. I suppose it strengthens the arguments that this is some sort of dumpster fire, but at least it's a W.

[QUOTE]Yesterday was embarrassing; easily could have been 43 to nothing if not for 2 plays to get us 14. [/QUOTE]

Easily could have been 29-28 too, if the offense didn't turn the ball over three times.

[QUOTE]SD was our best game so far.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but week 1 usually doesn't tell the whole story. Hell, weeks 1-4 usually doesn't tell the whole story...

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Ill take the o line argument outta the CY thread and bring it here. It is a problem. Idc what numbers say. Everything on this team except our wr1, te, rb, and punter has been more of a problem than a solution minus a couple guys in the trenches who probably look bad because they are surrounded by clowns and coached by clowns too.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292685]I'll take it. I still don't understand why it's a bad thing to be gifted a win. I suppose it strengthens the arguments that this is some sort of dumpster fire, but at least it's a W.



Easily could have been 29-28 too, if the offense didn't turn the ball over three times.



Agreed, but week 1 usually doesn't tell the whole story. Hell, weeks 1-4 usually doesn't tell the whole story...[/QUOTE]


So this team is not a dumpster fire?
I mean I understand that they are NFL players and all that but of the 32 teams in the league someone has to be the worst and we are in that conversation.

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[quote=punch it in;1292689][B]So this team is not a dumpster fire?[/B]
I mean I understand that they are NFL players and all that but of the 32 teams in the league someone has to be the worst and we are in that conversation.[/quote]

No, it is not.

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[quote=SunnySide;1292618]Sandtrapp - posting on here an hour after this kind of loss ... youre just trolling and enjoying our misery. If you posted on here mid to late last year when the Boys season was done and we were winning the NFC east, okay cool. But you didnt.

poor form man[/quote]

My apologies. However that post yesterday was the first time I posted here in OVER A YEAR. I stopped posting and was just reading your posts for months. Anytime I posted anything, I got attacked and accused of trolling. So I stopped.

That post yesterday wasn't even detrimental, or anything that attacked your team un nature. And that is a troll post? I have just come to accept that no matter what I write, it will be received as a troll post. It is what it is.

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Matt Ryan has a 70.9% completion percentage with a league low 3.2 yards completed through air ...

this D struggles with QB making quick read accurate throws on short to mid stuff.

Im guessing our LBs should be targeted again.

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That's going to be the game plan every week until they figure out how to stop it.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1292691]My apologies. However that post yesterday was the first time I posted here in OVER A YEAR. I stopped posting and was just reading your posts for months. Anytime I posted anything, I got attacked and accused of trolling. So I stopped.

That post yesterday wasn't even detrimental, or anything that attacked your team un nature. And that is a troll post? I have just come to accept that no matter what I write, it will be received as a troll post. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]


Nah. Before last year you did the same thing. You pop up only when your team is in a better position than ours than you conveniently disappear. Don’t play the victim you are trolling. Own it at least.

I’ve been on this forum for ten years and in that ten years you only post after you beat us or after we lose in a big way. You can smell your “pop ins” coming from a mile away. G-1 posts alot, but always before and after a WFT Giants game win or lose. And never in a haha way. Usually to say good game, or just talk x’s and o’s. How can u “pop in” for the first time in over a year after that game and not admit you are trolling? Lol.
And i dont even care if you are trolling. Its a free country. But own it or it is weak.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1292691]My apologies. However that post yesterday was the first time I posted here in OVER A YEAR. I stopped posting and was just reading your posts for months. Anytime I posted anything, I got attacked and accused of trolling. So I stopped.

That post yesterday wasn't even detrimental, or anything that attacked your team un nature. And that is a troll post? I have just come to accept that no matter what I write, it will be received as a troll post. It is what it is.[/quote]

I hear ya Jack and I like you .. but your whistling through the grave yard here posting a "I am Sam" nursery rhyme type post an hour after a soul searching loss for us.

Your timing and tone was not coincidental. if we had won or not lost in such fashion ... you wouldnt have "stopped by".

it was trolling, you know that. enjoy our misery, troll away, poke fun .. but dont pretend your timing was innocent or unrelated to yesterdays game.

Disingenious is not your look.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292690]No, it is not.[/QUOTE]


Wish I had your optimism.

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Covid Beasley just caught another ball against Fuller picking up the first down

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[quote=punch it in;1292697]Wish I had your optimism.[/quote]

I just can't get too down about it after only three weeks.

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Right now, I'd say we're bad enough that we can lose to al 31 other teams and only good enough to have a chance to beat about 12 of them. That's shitty, especially with our schedule.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1292684]Eh, you can do both in my opinion. Two blatant non-calls in two key moments (the 3rd and 15 hold and what should have been an OPI on Diggs) extended drives that led to TDs.

Outcome would have likely be the same, but we got f'ed over in the first half by the refs (as much as the defense also f'ed us over).[/quote]

The outcome would have 100% been the same.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292700]I just can't get too down about it after only three weeks.[/QUOTE]


I don’t necessarily mind 1-2 - let’s be honest, with the Chargers and Bills in the first 3 weeks, many of us assumed it. It’s the way we are losing which is via a horrible defense that was supposed to be the team’s strength. If they were just average, we’d be in a different place.

I also disagree with the point re bad officiating. It definitely contributed to the Bills extending multiple drives leading to points, and probably caused our inexperienced QB to press more as a result. These things snowball and it definitely felt that way yesterday. To be clear - would it have changed the outcome? Perhaps not, but it would have probably prevented the drubbing.


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[quote=Chico23231;1292699]Covid Beasley just caught another ball against Fuller picking up the first down[/quote]

I remember when folks thought Fuller was lockdown lmao

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On the 3rd and 15 watch Jon Allen. That is why you do not pay him 18 million.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1292706]On the 3rd and 15 watch Jon Allen. That is why you do not pay him 18 million.[/quote]

TBH He's been the best one so far though.. I agree though, I'm sorry but I'm not paying CY or SWEAT , Mack $$. Ask the Bears how that worked out? Denver with Miller, yeah they are finally good but they have also not played anyone.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292700]I just can't get too down about it after only three weeks.[/QUOTE]


If not for the past 30 years, the vast majority being a lot like the last three weeks, I might not either….

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1292694]That's going to be the game plan every week until they figure out how to stop it.[/quote]

Press coverage - challenge the WR's at the LOS. Disrupt the timing on these quick passes. Teach our d-line if they ain't getting home - get your god damn hands up. If the timing is disrupted and the qb has to hold the ball longer, well then you can get your pass rush going. In the meantime we gotta disrupt the quick read passes. Every qb knows right know the key is getting the ball out quick.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1292700]I just can't get too down about it after only three weeks.[/quote]

+1

If we're still getting our asses kicked 8 weeks from now I'm questioning everything.

But historically we're a team that has always started slow. When was the last time this team was ready to go out the gate? 91?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1292615]It's not about the record. It's not about the score. It's about the how.
Don't tell me you're not infuriated by how atrocious this D is right now. This elite DL is not getting any pressure, our LBs are who we thought they were, our secondary can't cover and we can't get off the field on 3rd down.

We could be 0 and 3 after 3 close games lost because of close calls/last minute turnovers, and I wouldn't be that worried.
I just don't see how we win 3 more games with how bad they are playing.

Ok, it's a week to week league and they have time to turn things around, but we are talking about a massive turn around even to become averagely bad.[/quote]

I agree !we are 3 games in and we are a offside penalty from being 0-3 and have a D that has collapsed.. a team that is allready starting to point fingers , a brutal schedule and some think I’m silly for thinking we might be one of the worse teams in the league.. we shall see . Hope I’m wrong but I’m out of wishful thinking .. it is what it is ..

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[quote=calia;1292704]I don’t necessarily mind 1-2 - let’s be honest, with the Chargers and Bills in the first 3 weeks, many of us assumed it. It’s the way we are losing which is via a horrible defense that was supposed to be the team’s strength. If they were just average, we’d be in a different place.

I also disagree with the point re bad officiating. I[B]t definitely contributed to the Bills extending multiple drives leading to points, and probably caused our inexperienced QB to press more as a result. These things snowball and it definitely felt that way yesterday.[/B] To be clear - would it have changed the outcome? Perhaps not, but it would have probably prevented the drubbing.


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Come on, this D yielded nearly 500 yards to an offense that was described as struggling and a QB who was supposed to not be playing well, and we gonna complain about a couple of missed holdings (which happens every single NFL game) and a ticky tacky OPI ?

You wanna talk bad officiating, how about that incomplete pass by Herbert that was ruled a fumble and touchback ? And that phantom hold that took Jones TD off the board ?
Was Payne held on that 3rd and 15? Yes. Do officials miss the same kind of holds every game? Yes. Was the OPI call on McKissick ticky tacky ? Yes. Was it a foul by rule and did he sell it awfully bad? Yes.

Point is, bad officiating and missed calls happen all the time, I didn't think we were getting blatantly robbed by the Zebras in this one. We lost because our D played even worse than the 2 previous weeks. Which was already really ugly.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1292747]Come on, this D yielded nearly 500 yards to an offense that was described as struggling and a QB who was supposed to not be playing well, and we gonna complain about a couple of missed holdings (which happens every single NFL game) and a ticky tacky OPI ?

You wanna talk bad officiating, how about that incomplete pass by Herbert that was ruled a fumble and touchback ? And that phantom hold that took Jones TD off the board ?
Was Payne held on that 3rd and 15? Yes. Do officials miss the same kind of holds every game? Yes. Was the OPI call on McKissick ticky tacky ? Yes. Was it a foul by rule and did he sell it awfully bad? Yes.

Point is, bad officiating and missed calls happen all the time, I didn't think we were getting blatantly robbed by the Zebras in this one. We lost because our D played even worse than the 2 previous weeks. Which was already really ugly.[/quote]

+1

This game was not "a couple bad calls" away from being close. They moved the ball with ease.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1292751]+1

This game was not "a couple bad calls" away from being close. They moved the ball with ease.[/QUOTE]


+2
We suck and we got our asses kicked. We are on a collision course for 3-6 wins tops. After our toss up game with the Falcons we are looking at 9 straight weeks of humiliation.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1292747]Come on, this D yielded nearly 500 yards to an offense that was described as struggling and a QB who was supposed to not be playing well, and we gonna complain about a couple of missed holdings (which happens every single NFL game) and a ticky tacky OPI ?

You wanna talk bad officiating, how about that incomplete pass by Herbert that was ruled a fumble and touchback ? And that phantom hold that took Jones TD off the board ?
Was Payne held on that 3rd and 15? Yes. Do officials miss the same kind of holds every game? Yes. Was the OPI call on McKissick ticky tacky ? Yes. Was it a foul by rule and did he sell it awfully bad? Yes.

Point is, bad officiating and missed calls happen all the time, I didn't think we were getting blatantly robbed by the Zebras in this one. We lost because our D played even worse than the 2 previous weeks. Which was already really ugly.[/quote]

If people can bitch and whine about this loss being the end of the world, let us complain about the bad officiating.

You can agree that both the team sucked and lost this game in a bad way, AND officiating in the first half was pretty atrocious. They are not mutually exclusive.

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[quote=punch it in;1292752]+2
We suck and we got our asses kicked. We are on a collision course for 3-6 wins tops. After our toss up game with the Falcons we are looking at 9 straight weeks of humiliation.[/quote]

Then it looks like your going to free up a few hours on your Sundays.

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Im demoralized after this showing. I was optimistic our D would show improvement, we have too many good individual players for the first 2 weeks to not be the floor.

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30th in time of possession at 25:32 mins

1st 3 possessions vs Bills

3 n out punt
3 plays fumble
3 plays int

it was 21-0 after our 3rd offensive possession

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It is demoralizing - yes it’s early in the season but it is clear we are far from contending. There is no team that can’t beat us. That doesn’t mean we won’t win a handful of games, but with what we’ve seen, barring a miraculous turnaround, there are teams we simply couldn’t beat - eg, the Rams, Bucs, and Chiefs. I don’t even see how we’d be competitive with them at this point. It’s hard to remember the last time we had a team that I felt could play with anyone on a given Sunday.

In the 80s, I knew the team was pretty special. I would not have guessed that ~35 years later I’d still be waiting to see that repeat.

I have no idea if the current coaching staff is the answer - although I have my doubts about JDR given the poor performance and lack of adjustments. I just hope the season doesn’t become such a shit show that the name change in the off-season ends up feeling like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Having said that, opportunity in the form of the Falcons knocks. They’re a pretty flawed team too, and we ought to match up well with them (they’re no doubt saying the same about us right now). It really feels like a must win game if the season isn’t going to spiral away completely.


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this season derailed at least early on :

1. Loss of Fitz
2. Defense laying a egg

This franchise is derailed because:
1. Dan Synder

THE END

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[quote=calia;1292786]It is demoralizing - yes it’s early in the season but it is clear we are far from contending. There is no team that can’t beat us. That doesn’t mean we won’t win a handful of games, but with what we’ve seen, barring a miraculous turnaround, there are teams we simply couldn’t beat - eg, the Rams, Bucs, and Chiefs. I don’t even see how we’d be competitive with them at this point. It’s hard to remember the last time we had a team that I felt could play with anyone on a given Sunday.

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I put us down as going 7-9 ... but I really thought we would be competitive each game, a fun team to watch.

Meaningful football.

Chief with the constant reminder its only 3 games has helped clear some doom and gloom ... but fuck me man, I want to watch good football. I want to see a defense that disrupts the other teams offense. I want an offense that can click and have an identity.

3 games into the season and already it feels like any other pedestrian boring season for us. Everything is difficult.

Horrible 3rd down D.
Horrible 3 and out offense.

I thought this year wed at least have some fun marching to a .500 or below season.