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[quote=MTK;1297507]The only ones really talking about Watson are the fans and some in the local media. Outside of DC everyone knows he isn't coming here. He has a no trade clause and we haven't heard WFT mentioned one single time as somewhere he wants to go.[/quote]

And that's fine with me. Don't want him.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1297474]I can't even remember when this team last played a full game of complementary football. One side has picked up the other on occasion, but they haven't put it all together in quite some time.[/QUOTE]


It is unusual for them to have back to back score and stops let alone a game of complimentary football. The crazy shit that this team goes through really makes me wonder about a damn curse. Either Native American induced or our idiot owner sold his soul for a division title….couldn’t even get a deal done for a super bowl.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1297502]I don't want Watson. He is a sick fucker. I read a piece about the complaint on ESPN. Repetitive predator type of behavior.

You are an NFL QB. You can have multiple women if that's your thing. Why the massage creepiness? I don't want that guy. He has serious issues.[/QUOTE]


Lol. Always cracks me up when celebrities get caught doing these things. Seriously they can have as many women as they want. Go to a club in a limo alone and go home with 10 of them. Im sorry but if I was super rich and horny the last thing im doing is going to a rub and tug. Im going out and getting some the old fashioned way - im wining and dining and sixty nining!!

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1297514]I really hate the title of this thread. A "good loss" its come to that, we are celebrating good losses.[/QUOTE]


I made a joke in the gameday thread about it and CRed was just carrying it over to the post game thread. Nobody really believes in good losses. Lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1297502]I don't want Watson. He is a sick fucker. I read a piece about the complaint on ESPN. Repetitive predator type of behavior.

You are an NFL QB. You can have multiple women if that's your thing. Why the massage creepiness? I don't want that guy. He has serious issues.[/quote]

I was invited to join a work group inside my organization today…the email subject line read:

Tableau User Group - (T.U.G)

My first thought was, is Deshawn Watson in this group?

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[quote=punch it in;1297600]I made a joke in the gameday thread about it and CRed was just carrying it over to the post game thread. Nobody really believes in good losses. Lol.[/quote]

That is not what the FAQs say

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Washington's third down defense is statistically the second-worst in NFL history through 7 games since 1940.

JP

WOWZERS

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[quote=baltimoreskins;1297603]that is not what the faqs say[/quote]


lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1297617]Washington's third down defense is statistically the second-worst in NFL history through 7 games since 1940.

JP

WOWZERS[/quote]

This is a fact that cannot be mitigated or explained away. The extraordinary patience exhibited by Ron Rivera in this case is not a virtue. This level of defensive incompetence demands immediate personnel changes, either in players, coaches or both. Honestly, if Rivera fails to make swift, effective changes to the defense, his job should rightfully be on the line. As much as I would hate to see him lose his job, he is now fair game, IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1297640]This is a fact that cannot be mitigated or explained away. The extraordinary patience exhibited by Ron Rivera in this case is not a virtue. This level of defensive incompetence demands immediate personnel changes, either in players, coaches or both. Honestly, if Rivera fails to make swift, effective changes to the defense, his job should rightfully be on the line. As much as I would hate to see him lose his job, he is now fair game, IMO.[/quote]

Some changes have come out of necessity - injuries, but I have to say it was nice to see Collins on the sideline at the start of the game on Sunday, and then when he was in there - making plays almost exclusively around the line of scrimmage. Dare I say it was his best game so far?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1297643]Some changes have come out of necessity - injuries, but I have to say it was nice to see Collins on the sideline at the start of the game on Sunday, and then when he was in there - making plays almost exclusively around the line of scrimmage. Dare I say it was his best game so far?[/quote]

+1

He didn't play an amazing game - but I saw him a couple times making stops around the LOS. I'm good with it. Less chasing receivers down the field, more stopping runs for short gains.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1297643]Some changes have come out of necessity - injuries, but I have to say it was nice to see Collins on the sideline at the start of the game on Sunday, and then when he was in there - making plays almost exclusively around the line of scrimmage. Dare I say it was his best game so far?[/quote]

Last off-season RR and his front office people tried to "fix" a young secondary that wasn't broken. They cut good young players and replaced them with older veterans who have failed to produce. The best of those young players was, of course, picked up by another team. Is that the way to build a team?

Now, they have turned a highly paid veteran player (Collins) into a role player.

RR has lost sight of what he was brought in to do which was to acquire and develop young players to build a perennial contender.

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William Jackson III is a legit CB1 imo .. just out of sync so far. Hes here to stay for a few more years and I think he will win over fans.

St Juste seems to be a good 3R pick so far.

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[quote=SunnySide;1297646]William Jackson III is a legit CB1 imo .. just out of sync so far. Hes here to stay for a few more years and I think he will win over fans.

St Juste seems to be a good 3R pick so far.[/quote]

Agree

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ST Juste is already better than Fuller

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1297645]Last off-season RR and his front office people tried to "fix" a young secondary that wasn't broken. They cut good young players and replaced them with older veterans who have failed to produce. The best of those young players was, of course, picked up by another team. Is that the way to build a team?

Now, they have turned a highly paid veteran player (Collins) into a role player.

RR has lost sight of what he was brought in to do which was to acquire and develop young players to build a perennial contender.[/quote]

Can we just stop it with all the Jimmy Moreland love already. The dude hasn't played one defensive snap for a Houston Texans team whose defense has given up the third most points in the NFL so far. He hasn't sniffed the field, with the exception of a handful of special teams reps...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1297670]Can we just stop it with all the Jimmy Moreland love already. The dude hasn't played one defensive snap for a Houston Texans team whose defense has given up the third most points in the NFL so far. He hasn't sniffed the field, with the exception of a handful of special teams reps...[/quote]

+1

Easy to second guess Ron's decision making because our D is still pretty bad 7 weeks into the season, but this is not a decision I'm questioning.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1297645]Last off-season RR and his front office people tried to "fix" a young secondary that wasn't broken. They cut good young players and replaced them with older veterans who have failed to produce. The best of those young players was, of course, picked up by another team. Is that the way to build a team?

Now, they have turned a highly paid veteran player (Collins) into a role player.

RR has lost sight of what he was brought in to do which was to acquire and develop young players to build a perennial contender.[/QUOTE]


Im no fan of RR. But what was he supposed to do with Collins? It isn’t like he didn’t have plenty of chances. Dude sucks. He sucks less playing LB. Not sure what Rons options were there.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1297670]Can we just stop it with all the Jimmy Moreland love already. The dude hasn't played one defensive snap for a Houston Texans team whose defense has given up the third most points in the NFL so far. He hasn't sniffed the field, with the exception of a handful of special teams reps...[/QUOTE]


Im certainly not going to act like he was the next Darrell Green, but I liked him. He played well here whenever he was given the opportunity. I thought he would develop into a good player for us. Thought he already had. I didn’t like the move. Can’t explain whats going on with him in Houston but he was good here.

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The above post. He played decent to well here and tackled decent to well, too. Misguided release.

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I liked him too, but in my opinion St. Juste is playing better through seven games than Jimmy was after two seasons. Jimmy had two years to develop into a better player, but right now he'd still be the #4 CB - on the bench just like he is in Houston.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1297721]I liked him too, but in my opinion St. Juste is playing better through seven games than Jimmy was after two seasons. Jimmy had two years to develop into a better player, but right now he'd still be the #4 CB - on the bench just like he is in Houston.[/QUOTE]


I think there are other players who made this roster riding the pine who bring nothing to the table. Moreland bought something to the table. Depth depth depth - quality depth all day.

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They haven't performed well as of yet, but I like the quality and depth of this year's secondary compared to last years. Jimmy Moreland's presence on the 53 wouldn't change anything with regard to how good or bad this defense is.

I just find it a little 'weird' how much angst there is/was regarding his release. Of all the decisions to be up in arms about, that's probably one of the very last on my list.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1297784]They haven't performed well as of yet, but I like the quality and depth of this year's secondary compared to last years. Jimmy Moreland's presence on the 53 wouldn't change anything with regard to how good or bad this defense is.

I just find it a little 'weird' how much angst there is/was regarding his release. [B]Of all the decisions to be up in arms about, [[/B]B]that's probably one of the very last on my list[/B].[/quote]

If you want get mad about franchise setting back decisions look no further then Haskins draft pick; not only did it waste our 1st round pick but it also the next year blinded us from drafting a QB in a QB heavy draft. BTW we had the 2nd pick. I wonder if we had one in the draft if we still had taken CY because we were good with DH, thus passing over Burrows.

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Amazing how much run Jimmy Moreland gets by some fans. According to Pro Football Reference he hasn't played a single defensive snap for Houston and has played all but 5 on ST.

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[quote=MTK;1297787]Amazing how much run Jimmy Moreland gets by some fans. [B]According to Pro Football Reference he hasn't played a single defensive snap for Houston and has played all but 5 on ST.[/B][/quote]

[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/W487-i9HOqkAAAAM/sarcastic-kirk.gif[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1297787]Amazing how much run Jimmy Moreland gets by some fans. According to Pro Football Reference he hasn't played a single defensive snap for Houston and has played all but 5 on ST.[/QUOTE]


But when he was here he was getting better. I certainly thought he had more to offer than others they chose to keep. I know it is usually the opposite but maybe we bought out the best in him. Maybe he was thankful for the chance.

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Maybe he's not very good and he was just another training camp hero. He can't even get on the field for Houston.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1297820]Maybe he's not very good and he was just another training camp hero. He can't even get on the field for Houston.[/QUOTE]


He played in almost every game for us over two years, started in 10 and knew how to tackle.

Not sure why he is riding the pine there but I liked his play here. To me it was just a questionable cut. But whatever it isn’t the end of the world.

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I mean, just based on what I saw in the games I would have probably kept him over Apke, but it's not a move that keeps me up at night.

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[quote=punch it in;1297837]He played in almost every game for us over two years, started in 10 and knew how to tackle.

Not sure why he is riding the pine there but I liked his play here. To me it was just a questionable cut. But whatever it isn’t the end of the world.[/quote]

Your perspective:
Ron Rivera cut a quality young corner on a team-friendly rookie contract. Y?????? It makes zero sense.

Thinking outside the box:

A. Moreland was not that good
B. Moreland regressed in training camp and was constantly getting beat.
C. Ron Rivera got mad because Moreland banged his side piece.
D. Ron Rivera played with Moreland's father - who was a POS - and cutting Moreland was the result of a decades long vendetta against the Moreland family. Rivera is all about the long-con.

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[quote=mredskins;1297786]If you want get mad about franchise setting back decisions look no further then Haskins draft pick; not only did it waste our 1st round pick but it also the next year blinded us from drafting a QB in a QB heavy draft. BTW we had the 2nd pick. I wonder if we had one in the draft if we still had taken CY because we were good with DH, thus passing over Burrows.[/quote]

Bingo !! We have a Winner !! That move set this team back years ! Without a QB you are the WFT…

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[quote=mooby;1297851]Your perspective:
Ron Rivera cut a quality young corner on a team-friendly rookie contract. Y?????? It makes zero sense.

Thinking outside the box:

A. Moreland was not that good
B. Moreland regressed in training camp and was constantly getting beat.
C. Ron Rivera got mad because Moreland banged his side piece.
D. Ron Rivera played with Moreland's father - who was a POS - and cutting Moreland was the result of a decades long vendetta against the Moreland family. Rivera is all about the long-con.[/quote]

Good points. I'd say 2 things though:

-with how awfully our secondary has been playing, I wouldn't put too much faith into our coaching staff's ability to accurately evaluate DBs

-with how awfully disappointing our secondary has been playing as a whole, it's not crazy to think something's off in the DB locker room and/or with the DB coach. So with that setting in mind, option B, Moreland regressing significantly in TC, is not unlikely at all.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1297852]Bingo !! We have a Winner !! That move set this team back years ! Without a QB you are the WFT…[/QUOTE]

Yep, it sounds like the opening paragraph of one of those nfl.com 'what if' draft articles!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1297853]Good points. I'd say 2 things though:

-with how awfully our secondary has been playing, I wouldn't put too much faith into our coaching staff's ability to accurately evaluate DBs

-with how awfully disappointing our secondary has been playing as a whole, it's not crazy to think something's off in the DB locker room and/or with the DB coach. So with that setting in mind, option B, Moreland regressing significantly in TC, is not unlikely at all.[/quote]

I forgot to mention option E: Our other young corners played at his level or close to his level in training camp and they have the added bonus of playing special teams whereas Moreland doesn't.

Honestly think that played a factor.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1297869]I forgot to mention option E: Our other young corners played at his level or close to his level in training camp and they have the added bonus of playing special teams whereas Moreland doesn't.



Honestly think that played a factor.[/QUOTE]Oh definitely. Moreland being cut had a lot to do with what they thought of St Juste, Darryl Roberts, as McTyer to a certain extent.
It's just that it was a questionable decisions in the moment... And with how bad this DB squad has been so far, it sure is easy to question it now.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1297851]Your perspective:
Ron Rivera cut a quality young corner on a team-friendly rookie contract. Y?????? It makes zero sense.

Thinking outside the box:

A. Moreland was not that good
B. Moreland regressed in training camp and was constantly getting beat.
C. Ron Rivera got mad because Moreland banged his side piece.
D. Ron Rivera played with Moreland's father - who was a POS - and cutting Moreland was the result of a decades long vendetta against the Moreland family. Rivera is all about the long-con.[/QUOTE]


Lol. Listen you saw the guy play for two years also. Did you not think he was getting better? My perspective is RR thought that our defense was so stout he wasn’t necessary and kept some others. St Juste, Jackson also. I can’t blame him if that was the thought process. Just imo would have cut someone else. Not the end of the world.