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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1308317]we all knew this would happen.
different name, same shit.[/quote]

The Haskins pick should have been the eye opener for him. It’s beyond frustrating for Snyder to have a voice about the QB. Ron and everyone should quit if he pulls this shit

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I mean, I hope they do make a "splash". Whatever it takes to get the Franchise guy in here. Doesn't mean DS is making the decision. Everyone knows the team needs a QB, and that another year of Fitz/Heinicke/Allen - like production isn't going to cut it.

Go big.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1308340]I mean, I hope they do make a "splash". Whatever it takes to get the Franchise guy in here. Doesn't mean DS is making the decision. Everyone knows the team needs a QB, and that another year of Fitz/Heinicke/Allen - like production isn't going to cut it.

Go big.[/quote]

i agree...its def an area we need. But if I know anything from the last 22 years, its that he is a terrible talent evaluator, and absolutely overspends on his "big splashes".
I absolutely 100% do not beleive he can make the correct choice when it comes to any position on the field, and especially at the quarterback position.
The only person that has had any type of success here has been the person that he was against picking (cousins).

as far as go big...i agree. but snyder has shown a level of ineptitude that is rarely seen. You would think, statistically, that he would have to have gotten it correct at least once. but he hasnt. its a true anomaly. so when you say go big, i agree....but i also dont want to see him spend 5 first rounds to seattle for wilson, or something else.
He is entirely too good at auctioning our future away when he becomes enamored with a player.

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[quote=Chico23231;1308324]The Haskins pick should have been the eye opener for him. It’s beyond frustrating for Snyder to have a voice about the QB. Ron and everyone should quit if he pulls this shit[/quote]

Oh man...i would love to see everyone on staff leave when if he doesnt listen to anyone else and does what he wants.
I mean...i wouldnt be happy...but i would love to see someone basically tell him to go get fucked. that would be perfect.

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Well, we have no future without a QB. Go big doesn't mean be unreasonably stupid about what you pay, but the fact is, they're going to have to "overpay" whether it's in free agency, via trade, or in the draft. Nobody is going to come here on a discount, and there are enough teams that need a QB to drive the market up more than it "should be".

Go big.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1308340]I mean, I hope they do make a "splash". Whatever it takes to get the Franchise guy in here. [B]Doesn't mean DS is making the decision.[/B] Everyone knows the team needs a QB, and that another year of Fitz/Heinicke/Allen - like production isn't going to cut it.

Go big.[/quote]

Sure, sure. Just keep believing that, you poor suffering soul.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1308344]Well, we have no future without a QB. Go big doesn't mean be unreasonably stupid about what you pay, but the fact is, they're going to have to "overpay" whether it's in free agency, via trade, or in the draft. Nobody is going to come here on a discount, and there are enough teams that need a QB to drive the market up more than it "should be".

Go big.[/quote]

Agree totally...just worries me that non football people (snyder likely) are getting more involved. His definition of going big, and ours are totally different. theres overpaying, then theres snyders type of overpaying.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1308345]Sure, sure. Just keep believing that, you poor suffering soul.[/quote]

Yeah Yeah - we are all suffering.

While I think DS will be "involved", because he is the owner, I really don't think he is going to make the decision. History of course is not on my side in that thinking, but I'm choosing to be optimistic.

My point was really that just because someone says "I think it's more than just football people that are pushing for a QB", doesn't mean they are talking about DS. It just means that literally everyone knows that the team needs a QB.

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[quote=Chico23231;1308324]The Haskins pick should have been the eye opener for him. It’s beyond frustrating for Snyder to have a voice about the QB. Ron and everyone should quit if he pulls this shit[/quote]

I thought the NFL put his wife in charge?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1308340]I mean, I hope they do make a "splash". Whatever it takes to get the Franchise guy in here. Doesn't mean DS is making the decision. Everyone knows the team needs a QB, and that another year of Fitz/Heinicke/Allen - like production isn't going to cut it.

Go big.[/quote]

I’d say go big, but you can’t go stupid. And if you see “go stupid” then you know DS was involved

When I hear “make a splash” that’s all Dan Snyder

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[quote=Giantone;1308354]I thought the NFL put his wife in charge?[/quote]

And you believed that?

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I'm not a Derek Carr fan, if they decide to trade for him (if he is available) I just hope they are not stupid enough to give up a lot to trade for him and then sign him to a huge contract like Alex Smith. Rather take my chances with Pickett, Corral or Howell.

[url]https://www.nfl.com/news/derek-carr-trade-potential-landing-spots-for-the-las-vegas-raiders-quarterback[/url]

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The concern is if there are 2 QBs available at No. 11 (could apply to any round really), and the staff wants 1 guy and Snyder wants the other guy, Snyder will once again force his will on the pick. And because he is the devil's grundle, that choice will suck.

We absolutely should make a splash at QB, but a splash that is made by Rivera and Co., with no input from Snyder.

I hope we can get Corral or Howell at 11. I don't trust glove-hand luke.

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People need to realize that the price to acquire a QB (trade value, contract, etc., etc.) is inflated in the NFL.

Also, this tweet is on point:

@RedskinsCult
·
10h
Some fans crack me up

Me: “we need a new QB”
Fans: “yeah!”
“We need to trade for a vet”
“Agree! We need a vet”
“Ok Carr”
“No he’d cost too much & isn’t elite”
“Ok Rodgers”
“Too old”
“Russell Wilson?”
“Eh too much and coming off a down year…”

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People who say they wouldn't want Russell Wilson are absolutely insane.

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Russell Wilson isn’t coming to Washington. I’d trade 2 ones for him right now but he ain’t coming

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[quote=MTK;1308386]People who say they wouldn't want Russell Wilson are absolutely insane.[/quote]

i worry about his overall health and level of play as he keeps getting older with the play style. Arm is still there.. brain is still there.. but at what cost for someone who inevitablely going to decline in maybe 2-3 years? To me he shows up as a win now signing and i have zero confidence in this team Cureently having enough weapons, talent and coaching to win now.

Those are the reasons that hold me back from being hyped if we spent 2 1's on him.

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Does anyone kick the tires on Wentz if Colts move on? That cost is steep and while better than what we have I don't think it gets us winning the division.

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[quote=Meks;1308401]i worry about his overall health and level of play as he keeps getting older with the play style. Arm is still there.. brain is still there.. but at what cost for someone who inevitablely going to decline in maybe 2-3 years? To me he shows up as a win now signing and i have zero confidence in this team Cureently having enough weapons, talent and coaching to win now.

Those are the reasons that hold me back from being hyped if we spent 2 1's on him.[/quote]

Wilson is clearly evolving his game, now that he may not be as mobile as he used to be before. What people don't understand is how piss-poor the Seattle offensive line has been in Wilson's time.

And for people that don't think we can win with Russ, let's look at this past season. We had 6 games that we lost by a TD or less. You don't think we win those games with a huge upgrade at QB? That's a 13-4 record right there.

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Russell Wilson should have been our QB instead of RGIII, if we can get him I’m all for it. Just don’t get ripped off.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1308405]Russell Wilson should have been our QB instead of RGIII, if we can get him I’m all for it. Just don’t get ripped off.[/quote]

I'd rather overpay for a proven winning QB like Russ, than overpaying and getting burned by a Kirk Cousins-type QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1308404]Wilson is clearly evolving his game, now that he may not be as mobile as he used to be before. What people don't understand is how piss-poor the Seattle offensive line has been in Wilson's time.

And for people that don't think we can win with Russ, let's look at this past season. We had 6 games that we lost by a TD or less. You don't think we win those games with a huge upgrade at QB? That's a 13-4 record right there.[/quote]

Valid points as well - just always a risk when the ask is big and also saying hey insert guy a and we'd win 6 games is a nice thought just we'd have to see it believe it

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[quote=Ruhskins;1308404]Wilson is clearly evolving his game, now that he may not be as mobile as he used to be before. What people don't understand is how piss-poor the Seattle offensive line has been in Wilson's time.

And for people that don't think we can win with Russ, let's look at this past season. We had 6 games that we lost by a TD or less. You don't think we win those games with a huge upgrade at QB? That's a 13-4 record right there.[/quote]

Even if we win 3 of those 6, that's 10-7 and playoffs.

He's a difference maker at QB. If there's any possibility at all they would deal him, you have to go all in.

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I’d rather trade picks for Wilson than draft Corral or Pickett at 11. In fact I’d take Malik Willis over any of the other Rookies. Pickett has an average arm, corral is not going to last taking those hits..

Ridder is intriguing but is he accurate enough?

Too many ?s

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“I have some concerns about Garoppolo outside of the Kyle Shanahan offense, but Washington has some in-breaking stuff that would be similar,” the exec said. “It wouldn’t be as much of an issue if you can define throws for him.”

I don’t get the sense a return for Garoppolo would be that pricey, either. Some teams believe you shouldn’t have to give up a first-round pick for him because it’s known that San Francisco is probably ready to play Lance, thus hurting its leverage. Plus, his $24 million salary on the last year of his deal must be reworked. But Garoppolo has played well enough to garner at least a strong Day 2 pick.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-predicts-washington-trade-jimmy-105725083.html[/url]

Hed be an upgrade over what weve had the past 2 years but Id just assume he gets injured within 4 games and were back to backups.

You are looking at dealing a 2nd or 3rd or a package of picks.

Idk .. off season last year I was fan thinking this D could be special, now this offseason we know that wont be the case.

Optimism is real low ... everything is meh

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The best thing to do is stay at 11 and pick a QB …if there are none left worthy of that pick than pick BPA and it will be a sure fire winner pick !! In a year that is consider a weak QB draft I would hate to be sitting top 3 and need a QB … not one of these guys are worth that so if they get picked a stud drops … stay in place and wait .. unless we get Wilson,Carr I would not trade our first ..

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Signing a veteran QB comes with a big cap hit.
This is a team with a lot of mediocre talent.
We are much better off trying our luck with a rookie contract and trying to stack as much talent around him as possible.

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[quote=jamf;1308423]Signing a veteran QB comes with a big cap hit.
This is a team with a lot of mediocre talent.
We are much better off trying our luck with a rookie contract and trying to stack as much talent around him as possible.[/quote]

This doesn't make sense. If we had gone 3-14 I'd agree with you. We were sniffing the playoffs with a mediocre QB, and had some winnable games throughout the season. Trying to rebuild again would be ridiculous.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1308426]This doesn't make sense. If we had gone 3-14 I'd agree with you. We were sniffing the playoffs with a mediocre QB, and had some winnable games throughout the season. Trying to rebuild again would be ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Not to mention next year we aren't playing a schedule loaded with the top teams. Instead we have five games against the bottom of the league. A strong qb would be huge.

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And if we do go after a veteran like Carr or Jimmy G, they'll be on the last year of their contract. Should be relatively easy to renegotiate them (not to mention Jimmy G's contract is only $24m, which isn't that bad).

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1308427]Not to mention next year we aren't playing a schedule loaded with the top teams. Instead we have five games against the bottom of the league. A strong qb would be huge.

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It is only 3 games since the other two would be common opponents.

Cowboys had a third place schedule and went 2-1
Patriots (W 35-29 OT)
Vikings (W 20-16)
Cardinals (L 25-22)

Our first place schedule and went 1-2
Buffalo (L 43-21)
GB (L 24-10)
Seattle (W 17-15)

I think if roles are reversed Dallas goes 1-2 against our opponents. I would say we go 0-3 against theirs but we might be able to win Minn if we are winning late in the 4th and Minn is on offense. If the season rolled out as expected with Fitz as QB I think that GB game might have been winnable.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1308436]It is only 3 games since the other two would be common opponents.



Cowboys had a third place schedule and went 2-1

Patriots (W 35-29 OT)

Vikings (W 20-16)

Cardinals (L 25-22)



Our first place schedule and went 1-2

Buffalo (L 43-21)

GB (L 24-10)

Seattle (W 17-15)



I think if roles are reversed Dallas goes 1-2 against our opponents. I would say we go 0-3 against theirs but we might be able to win Minn if we are winning late in the 4th and Minn is on offense. If the season rolled out as expected with Fitz as QB I think that GB game might have been winnable.[/QUOTE]My point wasn't geared to schedule position as much as opponents we will face which includes Detroit, Jax, Atlanta, Houston, Chicago and NYG 2 x.

All of those teams finished with 7 wins or less. Having a top tier qb against them with the rest of our team, would give us a great shot next year.

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All I'm going to say is we've mortgaged away the future in the past with a way worse roster than we have now. I do actually think the foundation is really solid right now. I'd be okay with two 1's for Russ. Not to mention what his presence would mean for the locker room.

I think now that we aren't in the middle of the season, everyone should take stock of all the positives we saw during an injury-ravaged year

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Signing a big name QB in free agency vs drafting a QB within the first two rounds of the draft.....which do you prefer ?

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There are no "big name QB" in free agency.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1308551]Signing a big name QB in free agency vs drafting a QB within the first two rounds of the draft.....which do you prefer ?[/QUOTE]


The best FA QB is Winston.. We’d have to trade multiple picks for Wilson or Watson.

Jimmy G has been rumored but hard pass

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Michael Gallup will be a FA, I'd bring him in to be our #2 in a heartbeat.

I know nothing else matters besides QB... But we need to add more talent on O

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If we need more offensive talent, then use No. 11 on Garrett Wilson who, combined with McLauren, would give us two amazing talents on the outside.

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Don't forget about the guys we'll have coming back from injury, Thomas, Samuel, McKissic (if he re-signs). And Brown and Bates in year 2. The cupboard isn't all bare.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1308567]There are no "big name QB" in free agency.[/quote]

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/[/url]