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[quote=punch it in;1311269]Rub n tugs. Hands on legs. Both sleazy as hell. No doubt.
Nobody here is good with the accusation or with Watson bein a sleaze ball.
But it isn’t the reason we want Snyder gone. We wanted him gone for 20 years.
Watson can come here and help us win and hopefully is done bein a sleaze ball?
Again, in no way defending eithers alleged actions, at all, but I just see the two situations in a different light.
Snyder was a piece of shit that got caught being sleazy, and we hope that is his downfall because of decades of bullshit.
Watson was a sleaze ball that got caught being sleazy. If he comes here i would hope he has changed his ways. There is no changing ways for Dan.
Now, if I knew for a fact that there was sexual assault or something more than a mutual rub n tug agreement i would say fuck him and he belongs in jail.
With Dan, I want him gone whether that lady is lying or not.
Am I making sense? It’s hard sometimes to translate thoughts to posts. Lol.[/quote]

I think w/ Watson it is more than being sleazy. He is a predator and his actions back it up. He was seeking out all these women on social media. Stalking them, then we he knew what he did was wrong he tried to contact them to apologize.

Some were probably mutual but some were probably not.

I can't root for this guy. He is sick and needs help. I really don't even believe that we will try and trade for him. Say what you want about Ron but he is a solid stand up guy. I doubt he wants anything to do w/ Watson and his baggage. It would be another PR nightmare for this organization.

Go draft a high character guy that you can build around and leave people like Watson alone.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1311276]You make sense to me.

I don't think anyone wants to bring a sexual predator here to be the savior at QB. There's a difference between being a sleaze ball and being a sexual predator. Unfortunately, we don't know if either DS or DW are sleaze balls, or if they are legit sexual predators, willing to use their money and influence to take advantage of women. Which is why I will reserve my thoughts on DW coming here until his legal situation plays out - completely.

Right now he's not on my list of QBs I'm willing to deal for. I may have a package in mind, but am in no way ready to make the phone call.[/QUOTE]


Well said

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1311282]I think w/ Watson it is more than being sleazy. He is a predator and his actions back it up. He was seeking out all these women on social media. Stalking them, then we he knew what he did was wrong he tried to contact them to apologize.

Some were probably mutual but some were probably not.

I can't root for this guy. He is sick and needs help. I really don't even believe that we will try and trade for him. Say what you want about Ron but he is a solid stand up guy. I doubt he wants anything to do w/ Watson and his baggage. It would be another PR nightmare for this organization.

Go draft a high character guy that you can build around and leave people like Watson alone.[/QUOTE]


I do not know enough about the case against him. Like Chief said I will wait to see what happens.
What exactly was he apologizing for? I have no idea. Doesn’t mean he got abusive or violent. Maybe he heard they were accusing him of things and was trying to do damage control? I really have no idea. They were local massage ladies, one of them probably took the extra cash for a happy ending and he thought he could get anyone to. If whipping it out was the worst thing he did Id still classify him as sleazy. Lol.

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Hope no one on here gets accused of something and we all just think they are guilty before weighing all the facts.

Its like the Salem Witch hunt on here with Watson.

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It happens all the time .. depending on who you are it only takes one accuser … If Watson is totally innocent then 20 plus women are lying about it .. it only took one accusation to take down a lot of high profile others ( I won’t drag politics or supreme court or Others into this ) .. if we bring in this guy for the sake of trying to win then it tells me more is broke than our owner .. it could be a desperate fan base that’s broke also .. I’ll never pull for Watson I’ll change teams .. he is absolutely got major issues for that many women to come out against him.. We can and must do better with our next QB ..how would you feel if one of the accuser was a family member ?

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1311319]Hope no one on here gets accused of something and we all just think they are guilty before weighing all the facts.

Its like the Salem Witch hunt on here with Watson.[/QUOTE]


Yeah all we know now is that he tried to pay for a happy ending. Half the posters on this board probably have too. Lol

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1311320]It happens all the time .. depending on who you are it only takes one accuser … If Watson is totally innocent then 20 plus women are lying about it .. it only took one accusation to take down a lot of high profile others ( I won’t drag politics or supreme court or Others into this ) .. if we bring in this guy for the sake of trying to win then it tells me more is broke than our owner .. it could be a desperate fan base that’s broke also .. I’ll never pull for Watson I’ll change teams .. he is absolutely got major issues for that many women to come out against him.. We can and must do better with our next QB ..how would you feel if one of the accuser was a family member ?[/QUOTE]


So do you believe there was borderline rape involved? Cus if there was than yeah obviously he doesn’t belong a free man let alone quarterbacking our team. But if he was just flipping over, losing the towel, and flashing a wad of cash well again sleazy but not exactly criminal?

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[quote=punch it in;1311323]So do you believe there was borderline rape involved? Cus if there was than yeah obviously he doesn’t belong a free man let alone quarterbacking our team. But if he was just flipping over, losing the towel, and flashing a wad of cash well again sleazy but not exactly criminal?[/quote]

My two issues with saying he is guilty of all this are:

1. its super convenient all this came out when Watson started saying he wanted to leave the Texans; the possibility someone was trying to taint his image is not far reaching

2. Still too this date no criminal charges have been brought against him.

If he is guilty of all they are saying yeah no i don't want him but until that happens he is a very viable QB option for us.

It actually helps us he has this cloud over him otherwise he be in the Rogers category of he can go where he wants and he won't want come here.

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I don’t know anything 100% ..I do know the same standards should be used in regards to accusations.. in most cases one person saying this or that is not nearly as strong a case than dozens .. that is what is alarming .
To me it seems like there are deals trying to be made to make it all go away ..something happened and it continued to happen for this many women to come forward .. how serious was the act .. well serious enough to stop this guys career until it’s resolved.. from what I read that is still in the works .. I’m all about Second chances and forgiveness but to stake out foreseeable future of this team on this situation ( with the past culture) seems very desperate and in my opinions won’t end well .. if he buys his way out of this and it happens agian ?? Russell Wilson comes with None of this ..

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The other funny part is even if found guilty and he still comes here and we start winning, lets see how many folks are like yeah no i am not cheering for him he wanted a hand job.

You all be at your your SB party smashing down wings and bud lights while wearing your number 4 Watson Commanders jersey telling everyone how you love him and the new name.

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[quote=rocnrik;1311327]I don’t know anything 100% ..I do know the same standards should be used in regards to accusations.. [B]in most cases one person saying this or that is not nearly as strong a case than dozens .. that is what is alarming . [/B]
To me it seems like there are deals trying to be made to make it all go away ..something happened and it continued to happen for this many women to come forward .. how serious was the act .. well serious enough to stop this guys career until it’s resolved.. from what I read that is still in the works .. I’m all about Second chances and forgiveness but to stake out foreseeable future of this team on this situation ( with the past culture) seems very desperate and in my opinions won’t end well .. if he buys his way out of this and it happens agian ?? Russell Wilson comes with None of this ..[/quote]

Exactly! Do you not thing the prosecution doesn't know that and maybe went around drumming up potential girls to accuse him.

I am willing to bet of the 20 probably 13 gave him a hand job and he tipped them accordingly. It was a illegal mutual agreement now they are trying to say he forced himself on them to collect dollars. Then the other six he asked showed them his cock they got offended and left it at that. Then the last one he probably pushed the boundary too much and she reported him, her team of lawyers has drummed up the other 19 to try to collect some $$$ in civil court.

I am willing to bet he is isn't Harvey Weinstein level sexual predator who by the way actually had criminal charges brought against him and is in jail.

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A short Watson article on where everything stands right now:

[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ashamed-yourself-glimpse-deshaun-watson-110115889.html[/url]

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People with Narcissistic Personality Disorder


Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance

Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration

Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people

Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior

Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations

Take advantage of others to get what they want

Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

Be envious of others and believe others envy them

Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious

Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office


We already have an owner showing all the symptoms, do we really want a QB with the same problems?


Just say NO to Deshaun Watson. :soapbox:

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[quote=davy;1311331]People with Narcissistic Personality Disorder


Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance

Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration

Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people

Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior

Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations

Take advantage of others to get what they want

Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

Be envious of others and believe others envy them

Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious

Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office


We already have an owner showing all the symptoms, do we really want a QB with the same problems?


Just say NO to Deshaun Watson. :soapbox:[/quote]

Not sure how you diagnosed him with a personality disorder over the internet but great job.

Also being narcissistic isn't illegal.

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"Not sure how you diagnosed him with a personality disorder over the internet but great job."


Wow!

I bow down to your greater psychic powers...

[quote=mredskins;1311329][B]I am willing to bet of the 20 probably 13 gave him a hand job and he tipped them accordingly.[/B][/quote]


:)

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Man this is getting to be a dubious conversation.

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[quote=mredskins;1311328]The other funny part is even if found guilty and he still comes here and we start winning, lets see how many folks are like yeah no i am not cheering for him he wanted a hand job.

You all be at your your SB party smashing down wings and bud lights while wearing your number 4 Watson Commanders jersey telling everyone how you love him and the new name.[/quote]

Major sigh...

If you are franchise that is trying to fix your shitty reputation you simply can not sign someone w/ this type of disturbing behavior. You can not sell this creep to your fanbase.

FYI ... the last season Watson played his team won 4 games.

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Winning covers up a lot of stink.

I don't need a team full of boy scouts.

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[quote=MTK;1311338]Winning covers up a lot of stink.

I don't need a team full of boy scouts.[/quote]

Agree

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[quote=MTK;1311338]Winning covers up a lot of stink.

I don't need a team full of boy scouts.[/quote]

Seriously.

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Can't wait to draft a QB at No. 11.

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Our shit is already stacked so high. That might be the turd that breaks the septic tanks back.

[IMG]https://y.yarn.co/49fc83cb-8d04-4eb0-8b16-b25345145072_text.gif[/IMG]

The whole organization is the Fockers.

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[quote=MTK;1311338]Winning covers up a lot of stink.

I don't need a team full of boy scouts.[/quote]

That would be impossible to do. My QB has to have some morals. I have to be able to look at my fanbase and sell him to men and women. At least that's how I feel about it. Some differ but that is the one position where I need a high character human being. The allegations are disturbing.

Joe Gibbs would never touch this guy. I don't think Ron will either.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1311343]Can't wait to draft a QB at No. 11.[/quote]

This is how I feel. Just go draft a guy and deal w/ his mistakes. Get em on a rookie deal and see what happens. Keep swinging until you get the right guy. Bring in a vet to go along w/ Taylor.

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[quote=mredskins;1311328]The other funny part is even if found guilty and he still comes here and we start winning, lets see how many folks are like yeah no i am not cheering for him he wanted a hand job.

You all be at your your SB party smashing down wings and bud lights while wearing your number 4 Watson Commanders jersey telling everyone how you love him and the new name.[/quote]

The not so funny part is he isn't in trouble for wanting a handjob, it's what he did to try to get one that's the problem.

Let's not normalize sexual assault.

There are handjob places and there's professional Spas.
Robert Kraft was at least smart enough to go to the proper place for a tug job.
Watson is at the damn Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton molesting a professional Masseuse.

Watson gets off on assaulting civilians.
If you want to do perverted shit, go to Rubmaps.ch and find a rub and tug spot.
Better yet, be like Jimmy G and bang porn stars.

$100+Mil is too much to invest in a person with red flags.
The face of the franchise needs to be a boyscout.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1311343]Can't wait to draft a QB at No. 11.[/quote]

this is the only option.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1311351]This is how I feel. Just go draft a guy and deal w/ his mistakes. Get em on a rookie deal and see what happens. Keep swinging until you get the right guy. Bring in a vet to go along w/ Taylor.[/quote]

Probably gonna be Mitch Trub or Teddy Bridgewater over Taylor.

I think the ceiling is higher with Trubisky

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[quote=jamf;1311352]The not so funny part is he isn't in trouble for wanting a handjob, it's what he did to try to get one that's the problem.

Let's not normalize sexual assault.

There are handjob places and there's professional Spas.
Robert Kraft was at least smart enough to go to the proper place for a tug job.
Watson is at the damn Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton molesting a professional Masseuse.

Watson gets off on assaulting civilians.
If you want to do perverted shit, go to Rubmaps.ch and find a rub and tug spot.
Better yet, be like Jimmy G and bang porn stars.

$100+Mil is too much to invest in a person with red flags.
The face of the franchise needs to be a boyscout.[/quote]

So we are on the same page , some folks are acting like this guy is a serial rapist.

From the article i posted a few back:
[B][I]
At least eight of them also have filed complaints with Houston police that are now part of a criminal investigation into whether Watson committed misdemeanor indecent assault in these cases, according to court records.[/I]
[/B]

So only 8 have filed a criminal complaint and the criminal investigation is for a misdemeanor charge; which still has not been officially charged over a year later.

None of this seems to hold a ton of water.

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Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law - absolutely yes. However, that doesn't mean this franchise needs to trade for him and [I]then[/I] find out whether he is innocent or guilty. It's too much of a risk. This definitely has to play all the way out to the point where the team knows the actual risk involved, before trying to trade for him. Maybe he's a sleazy guy who did nothing criminal. Maybe he's a sleazy guy who crossed the line into the realm of being a sexual predator. At this point, only a handful of people know which one he is...I'll pass until he is cleared.

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Nobody is going to trade for him until it's clear jail time is out of the picture. If it's just civil liability plenty of teams will pounce.

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[quote=jamf;1311353]this is the only option.[/quote]

To me the only option is Henike holding a clipboard

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[quote=mredskins;1311328]The other funny part is even if found guilty and he still comes here and we start winning, lets see how many folks are like yeah no i am not cheering for him he wanted a hand job.

You all be at your your SB party smashing down wings and bud lights while wearing your number 4 Watson Commanders jersey telling everyone how you love him and the new name.[/quote]

Super bowl ?? Dang that’s a positive attitude !!So now Snyder as long as he signs Watson is good !!all I’ve read on this forum is what a piece of crap Snyder is and we will never do anything as long as he owns the team .. seems like now if we bring in Watson all is forgiven and we can start winning !!! What a turn around 👍👍😀

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[quote=rocnrik;1311366]Super bowl ?? Dang that’s a positive attitude !!So now Snyder as long as he signs Watson is good !!all I’ve read on this forum is what a piece of crap Snyder is and we will never do anything as long as he owns the team .. seems like now if we bring in Watson all is forgiven and we can start winning !!! What a turn around 👍👍😀[/quote]

Start winning and I promise a lot of it goes away. Not saying it’s right but that is how society operates.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311354]Probably gonna be Mitch Trub or Teddy Bridgewater over Taylor.

I think the ceiling is higher with Trubisky[/quote]

They are both a waste of time and money. We should go all out to acquire Wilson.

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I’d take Winston over Mitch and Teddy.. Fuck that noise. If Ron can’t get any better than Mitch that will show us all no QBs want to play for Turner

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[QUOTE=jamf;1311353]this is the only option.[/QUOTE]


If so I hope it’s Willis or Ridder. They both have legit arm talent. Tired of these QBs that we have who can’t stretch the field.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311370]I’d take Winston over Mitch and Teddy.. Fuck that noise. If Ron can’t get any better than Mitch that will show us all no QBs want to play for Turner[/quote]

I don't think it has much to do w/ Turner. I think it has more to do w/ the franchise. If you were a free agent would you want to come here? Would you want to play in a home stadium where it's mostly opposing teams fans? The players aren't stupid.

We keep talking about Trubisky but he is going to have options. There are going to be other teams that will want to sign him. We may be looking at someone like Bridgewater.

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I'm 100% out on Trubisky, dude is garbage, if he's the week 1 starter I'm seriously not watching. Just the sound of his name gets me ticked off. Can't wait until he signs somewhere else so we can stop hearing about him.

If we can't land any of the primo top dogs, just draft Willis. Trade up if you have to, you probably can't sit at 11 and expect to get who you want, got to be aggressive. The unknown factor of a rookie will get fans excited. A guy like Trubisky is such a yawner of a move and will almost guarantee Ron's ass will be on the hot seat in 2022.

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[quote=MTK;1311379]I'm 100% out on Trubisky, dude is garbage, if he's the week 1 starter I'm seriously not watching. Just the sound of his name gets me ticked off. Can't wait until he signs somewhere else so we can stop hearing about him.

If we can't land any of the primo top dogs, just draft Willis. Trade up if you have to, you probably can't sit at 11 and expect to get who you want, got to be aggressive. The unknown factor of a rookie will get fans excited. A guy like Trubisky is such a yawner of a move and will almost guarantee Ron's ass will be on the hot seat in 2022.[/quote]

I agree.

If we are going after the mitch level qb i say go for Winston and still draft a guy at 11.

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With someone like MT the best case scenario is 8 or 9 wins and 1 and done in the playoffs. He's not a significant upgrade over TH so why even bother.