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[quote=mredskins;1312010]After all this QB talk for this season its going be more egg on the Commanders face after we march out Mitch T the 2nd weekend in Sept.[/quote]

Bro if we sign Mitch he will be QB1 day 1 lolol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312013]Bro if we sign Mitch he will be QB1 day 1 lolol[/quote]

he is the starting qb week one that was my comment.

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[quote=mredskins;1312014]he is the starting qb week one that was my comment.[/quote]

O my bad , I thought u said week 2 same thing lol we suck either way

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I'd expect a Mike Williams type deal for Terry (3yr 60m)

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I'm over it to be honest. If we can't land Watson then lets just draft a QB at 11 and pray he is good

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@kevinsheehanDC

Per a source, Washington offered Seattle a more attractive package of draft picks than Denver did. Additionally, Washington was willing to offer players as well but Seattle made it clear their preference was to trade Wilson to an AFC team

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[quote=mredskins;1312012]yup, just another sad day in "commanders" history[/quote]

Oh man, there will be SOOO many more of those to come, and so SO much worse ones than this!!! LOL

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[quote=MTK;1312018]@kevinsheehanDC

Per a source, Washington offered Seattle a more attractive package of draft picks than Denver did. Additionally, Washington was willing to offer players as well but Seattle made it clear their preference was to trade Wilson to an AFC team[/quote]

If this was true then at what point does a trade become a bad one? You're going to let go of players and numerous draft picks off a non playoff team for Wilson? Seems like a move of desperation over smarts. We aren't the Rams.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312020]If this was true then at what point does a trade become a bad one? You're going to let go of players and numerous draft picks off a non playoff team for Wilson? Seems like a move of desperation over smarts. We aren't the Rams.[/quote]

Well, after all, this team is in fact desperate for a quarterback. Whoever it is going to be, this team is 100% going to overpay for him - whatever that means.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312020]If this was true then at what point does a trade become a bad one? You're going to let go of players and numerous draft picks off a non playoff team for Wilson? Seems like a move of desperation over smarts. We aren't the Rams.[/quote]

Man some of you guys will find the down side of anything lol

I don't think you can put a price on a franchise QB. Denver won this deal hands down.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1312021]Well, after all, this team is in fact desperate for a quarterback. Whoever it is going to be, this team is 100% going to overpay for him - whatever that means.[/QUOTE]


Probably won’t have to overpay unless it’s Watson.. nobody else is out there worth shit


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[quote=skinsfan69;1312020]If this was true then at what point does a trade become a bad one? You're going to let go of players and numerous draft picks off a non playoff team for Wilson? Seems like a move of desperation over smarts. We aren't the Rams.[/quote]

I tend to agree.

If by a miracle of god Watson becomes free and we land him that be the best one to get, considering his age.

Not sure Russell Wilson makes Denver or Commanders a title contender.

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[quote=mredskins;1312007]I really never understood that reasoning. Andy Reid said F it to that and raped Washington for McNabb

I can see the issue between cowboys and redskins red sox and yankees etc...but Seattle and Washington; come on

I promise you no one is itching to come here.[/quote]

McNabb was way past his prime. Next.

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[quote=mredskins;1312024]I tend to agree.

If by a miracle of god Watson becomes free and we land him that be the best one to get, considering his age.

Not sure Russell Wilson makes Denver or Commanders a title contender.[/quote]

Russ would have made us at least a playoff team, given the QBs in the division. AFC West is going to be a bloodbath with the QB talent they have.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312023]Probably won’t have to overpay unless it’s Watson.. nobody else is out there worth shit


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What they are worth, and what the price actually will be, are two separate things.

Everyone knows this team is desperate for a QB, and that will most certainly factor into the price.

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It’s like getting punched in the balls every effin day with this team

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1312032]It’s like getting punched in the balls every effin day with this team[/QUOTE]


I’m not surprised man. I figured Seattle wouldn’t trade him so once that rumor came out the other day I was already over Russ. We’ll get stuck with Mitch or fucking Jimmy GQ


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311984]AG is better than Williams and Terry is better than Jeudy. Oline was better than Denver last yr..

He picked them because nobody wants to play for sorry[B] Scott turners Offense[/B][/quote]

Scott Turner is not bad, he seems a lot like Kevin OcConnell honestly.

No one wants to come to this organization bc every agent and player knows and openly talks abut how this a dysfunctional shit show of an organization and 2 years of Ron hasnt washed the stink of sweaty ball sack that permeates this place.

We are lucky to have Ron.

We are lucky to have Scott Turner.

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Im so deflated right now ...

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It really is amazing how even Ron and co. can't wash the stink of this franchise.

They almost literally asked Russ what he thought about DC and he basically gave us the ol' hard pass. It's like the stink of having Snyder as an owner is too much to overcome.

Maybe Snyder can bond with Watson over his favorite rub-n-tug joints. It's our best hope at this point.

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[quote=SunnySide;1312034]Scott Turner is not bad, he seems a lot like Kevin OcConnell honestly.

No one wants to come to this organization bc every agent and player knows and openly talks abut how this a dysfunctional shit show of an organization and 2 years of Ron hasnt washed the stink of sweaty ball sack that permeates this place.

We are lucky to have Ron.

We are lucky to have Scott Turner.

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Im so deflated right now ...[/quote]

If I remember correct, Bruce Allen was widely loathed by agents. People forget how much damage Bruce made (along with his buddy Dan) and like you say it is going to take time to get the stench out.

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[quote=SunnySide;1312034]Scott Turner is not bad, he seems a lot like Kevin OcConnell honestly.

No one wants to come to this organization bc every agent and player knows and openly talks abut how this a dysfunctional shit show of an organization and 2 years of Ron hasnt washed the stink of sweaty ball sack that permeates this place.

We are lucky to have Ron.

We are lucky to have Scott Turner.

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Im so deflated right now ...[/quote]

This.. not to mention no fans coming to the games. Who would want to play home games where the opposing teams fans out number the home fans? Plus you have to put on shitty uniforms and being called Commies..haha..

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Ridiculous, as much as I love Wilson, Denver gave way too much. Glad he went there. They better not go after Watson.

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[quote=mooby;1312036]It really is amazing how even Ron and co. can't wash the stink of this franchise.

They almost literally asked Russ what he thought about DC and he basically gave us the ol' hard pass. It's like the stink of having Snyder as an owner is too much to overcome.

Maybe Snyder can bond with Watson over his favorite rub-n-tug joints. It's our best hope at this point.[/quote]

Why would an agent recommend a team that:

- has dilapidated small facilities and training centers

- head trainer is on FBI's most wanted list

- former players rip us on the way out e.g. Antonio Pierce, Trent Williams, DJ Swearinger, Keenan Robinson, AJ Francis and on and on

- leaked dirt to Schefter during Kirk Cousins negotiations, went public with their "making him the highest paid QB" offer .. only for us to find out later the guaranateed money was horseshit

- leaked personal stuff re Trent Williams

- leaked personal stuff about McCloughan

- never bothered to call agents of players w expiring contracts like Pierre garcon .. just left them hanging

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We are a bottom 5 destination.

Agents hate us.We have been incompetent for 20 plus years, pissing off every agent along the way. 2 years of RR aint going to erase the memories.

At least Vinny was liked around the league as an idiot but a happy harmless idiot ... Bruce Allen was a back stabbing snake.

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“Last Thursday, the day the draft was going to start, I had a meeting with Jim Tomsula, who is one of the best D-line coaches in the history of the league,” Francis said. “He told me that going into OTAs, that he thought I should be the starting nose [tackle]. I balled out.”

On Monday, Francis said he got a call from Redskins director of pro personnel Alex Santos and braced for bad news.

“He’s never once called me for a good thing, ever in his life,” Francis said of Santos. “He barely ever talked to me walking past me in the hallway. And he called me to tell me that they were releasing me. I never got to meet with Bruce Allen, because why would they want to meet with the guy that they’re cutting, other than it’s just common courtesy and respect? I got to shake Doug Williams’s hand — not even eye-to-eye, like walking by. He said, ‘Thanks.’ That whole situation was bungled. That whole situation was terrible. [B]I am so grateful that I’m out of there[/B], because they don’t care about the film. They don’t care about who can actually play football. They only care about themselves.”

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2018/05/03/so-grateful-that-im-out-of-there-former-redskin-rips-team-and-racist-logo/[/url]

high profile or low profile ...

we are the worst run organization in all of sports

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312039]Ridiculous, as much as I love Wilson, Denver gave way too much. Glad he went there. They better not go after Watson.[/quote]

I'm not sure it's too much actually.

I would have parted ways with Heinicke, Payne, L Thomas, two firsts, two seconds, and a fifth - for R Wilson and a 4th round pick.

You get your franchise QB and still have five picks this year and five picks next year and all that cap space...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312039]Ridiculous, as much as I love Wilson, Denver gave way too much. Glad he went there. They better not go after Watson.[/quote]

I'm not sure it was worth it either. Everyone is saying Denver won but there is no way you can say that today. However there is no way they can compete in their division w/out a QB.

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Mahomes, Herbert, Carr, Willson all in the same division. Nice. When Carr is probably your worst option that is a tough division.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312042]I'm not sure it's too much actually.

I would have parted ways with Heinicke, Payne, L Thomas, two firsts, two seconds, and a fifth - for R Wilson and a 4th round pick.

You get your franchise QB and still have five picks this year and five picks next year and all that cap space...[/quote]

I would not give half of what they gave for Watson, he hasn’t won anything and is under investigation.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312042]I'm not sure it's too much actually.

I would have parted ways with Heinicke, Payne, L Thomas, two firsts, two seconds, and a fifth - for R Wilson and a 4th round pick.

You get your franchise QB and still have five picks this year and five picks next year and all that cap space...[/quote]

I think Lock is probably regarded as a much better player than TH...lol. Also Thomas will be 31 by the time the season starts coming off an ACL. Fant is much younger so two big differences there.

Had we offered that to Seattle they hang up the phone.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312042]I'm not sure it's too much actually.

I would have parted ways with Heinicke, Payne, L Thomas, two firsts, two seconds, and a fifth - for R Wilson and a 4th round pick.

You get your franchise QB and still have five picks this year and five picks next year [B]and all that cap space..[/B].[/quote]

If you get the QB he takes up all the cap space

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312046]I think Lock is probably regarded as a much better player than TH...lol. Also Thomas will be 31 by the time the season starts coming off an ACL. Fant is much younger so two big differences there.

Had we offered that to Seattle they hang up the phone.[/quote]

Well, apparently we offered more. I was just using that as a comparative example by position.

What has Lock done that makes him better than TH? He's a couple years younger. Other than that...?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312049]Well, apparently we offered more. I was just using that as a comparative example by position.

[B]What has Lock done that makes him better than TH?[/B] He's a couple years younger. Other than that...?[/quote]

Throw a deeper ball? That'd be a good question for Pete Carroll.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312050][B]Throw a deeper ball? [/B]That'd be a good question for Pete Carroll.[/quote]

Well, there is that...

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No lies here:

@jon_bois
derek carr’s gotta be, by a long shot, the best quarterback ever to be the worst quarterback in his division

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I prefer a young Rookie anyways.

Move up, sideways, around, get a fucking QB in the draft.

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Lock stinks he’s a 1 read guy that isn’t accurate at all.

Denver better win the division in the next 3 years at the very least because they gave up a shit ton for Russ. Even if we did that I’d say we better go to a super bowl , the only difference is Denver ain’t better than KC or LAC

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312049]Well, apparently we offered more. I was just using that as a comparative example by position.

What has Lock done that makes him better than TH? He's a couple years younger. Other than that...?[/quote]

On paper and production I would agree, not better. Actually I watched one of Denver's last games and he was just awful. He has a better arm, that may be it..

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312056]I prefer a young Rookie anyways.

Move up, sideways, around, get a fucking QB in the draft.[/quote]

I keep saying this. Draft your guy.

The funny thing is Ron has totally changed his tune. He kept using the Bills as an example, let's build and build, it take 3 year and what not...blah blah. Then the name gets changed, the fans react poorly to the rebrand and now he's swinging for the fences trying to make a trade.

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Well to be fair, next year is year 3, and they swung and missed last year with Stafford.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1312061]I keep saying this. Draft your guy.

The funny thing is Ron has totally changed his tune. He kept using the Bills as an example, let's build and build, it take 3 year and what not...blah blah. Then the name gets changed, the fans react poorly to the rebrand and now he's swinging for the fences trying to make a trade.[/QUOTE]


Probably because he knows the pressure is on to win now. All this talk about Great Defense last year and it sucked.. well Ron and co. are basically saying the QB held the team back which in most games he did. Problem is, who the hell can they get now?

Watson? Probably not
Jimmy G? He just had surgery today and dude is never healthy for a full season.. so No

Mitch? People got hyped off his one preseason last year… dude has not been good at all (maybe it was the system)

Winston? Probably the best QB available


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