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[quote=punch it in;1324460]Exactly. It is like a Corvette until you look under the hood and see a refurbished hyundai engine.[/quote]

Nah, it's not even refurbished. It's the original from a 1989 model.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1324462]Nah, it's not even refurbished. It's the original from a 1989 model.[/QUOTE]


[IMG]https://media0.giphy.com/media/qRVDIxBnu57gP0Jkg6/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Fuck….your right

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1324441]Who would have thought that after four weeks this team would lead the league in Field Goal conversion percentage at 100%?[/QUOTE]


Lol. It is just another knock imo that we have attempted one fg in four weeks. That just speaks volumes about the offense. We are either not even getting into fg range, opting not to kick for some weird reason, or so far behind that 3 does nothing for us. We have the absolute worst fucking coaching staff we have had in a long time and that is saying sooooo much.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1324464]Lol. It is just another knock imo that we have attempted one fg in four weeks. That just speaks volumes about the offense. We are either not even getting into fg range, opting not to kick for some weird reason, or so far behind that 3 does nothing for us. We have the absolute worst fucking coaching staff we have had in a long time and that is saying sooooo much.[/QUOTE]


-34 point differential. Worst in football.

And we play a titans team that will run down our throats Sunday. Lol 1-4 guaranteed


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It never ends, now Cosmi might miss several games. [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/10/3/23386365/washington-injury-update-sam-cosmi-injured-his-hand-vs-cowboys-could-miss-time?fbclid=IwAR3QgtY9TNGzEay0zcxL1_kAsvV4OARfSmmtwzQDFGI0GeVcfsWb9VktuHw[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1324481]It never ends, now Cosmi might miss several games. [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/10/3/23386365/washington-injury-update-sam-cosmi-injured-his-hand-vs-cowboys-could-miss-time?fbclid=IwAR3QgtY9TNGzEay0zcxL1_kAsvV4OARfSmmtwzQDFGI0GeVcfsWb9VktuHw[/url][/quote]

O well, we suck anyway. 4-13

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1324453]We aren’t good tho


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No we are not. But we got depth at wr. Cam Sims has been here for what seems like forever. He should be able to help down in the red zone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1324486]No we are not. But we got depth at wr. Cam Sims has been here for what seems like forever. He should be able to help down in the red zone.[/quote]

At this point bro I'm already thinking next year and draft. It sucks but how can this team bounce back and go on a winning streak?? They are abysmal on offense right now and the CBs are 2 of the worst in the league. We simply do not have the talent, Ron took over and made us worse... Especially at OL.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1324481]It never ends, now Cosmi might miss several games. [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/10/3/23386365/washington-injury-update-sam-cosmi-injured-his-hand-vs-cowboys-could-miss-time?fbclid=IwAR3QgtY9TNGzEay0zcxL1_kAsvV4OARfSmmtwzQDFGI0GeVcfsWb9VktuHw[/url][/quote]

hand injuries for O lineman .. wrap it up like Jon Jansen's club (may not be legal anymore)

Ben Standig had a good idea ... move Cosmi to RG, put Lucas in at RT.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1324481]It never ends, now Cosmi might miss several games. [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/10/3/23386365/washington-injury-update-sam-cosmi-injured-his-hand-vs-cowboys-could-miss-time?fbclid=IwAR3QgtY9TNGzEay0zcxL1_kAsvV4OARfSmmtwzQDFGI0GeVcfsWb9VktuHw[/url][/QUOTE]


This would suck if we were good. I really don’t care if we lose by 15 or 25. Lol.
The injuries are never ending on this team and im sure somehow it comes down to us sucking somehow. Poor technique? Incapable teammates you are over compensating for? Poor conditioning?

I know alot of it is just bad luck and football, but at some point you have to wonder how deep our incompetence goes.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1324487]At this point bro I'm already thinking next year and draft. It sucks but how can this team bounce back and go on a winning streak?? They are abysmal on offense right now and the CBs are 2 of the worst in the league. We simply do not have the talent, Ron took over and made us worse... Especially at OL.[/QUOTE]


If we draft anything besides Oline, secondary, and LB I swear to God ill never root for this team again. No rb’s, no wr’s, no te’s, no dline.

I would be ok with taking an absolute stud qb with our top 3 pick but outside of that LB, secondary , oline.

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some more positives

2 .. number of sacks given up. Yes we had to change our game plan to one that couldnt put points on the board but if our goal was to limit sacks ... mission accomplished Scott and Carson. We showed em.

30.9% 4th Best 3rd down D in the league ... not too bad Jack. Smart move allowing teams to average 6 yards per play.

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[quote=SunnySide;1324500]some more positives

[B]2 .. number of sacks given up. Yes we had to change our game plan to one that couldnt put points on the board but if our goal was to limit sacks ... mission accomplished Scott and Carson. We showed em.
[/B]
30.9% 4th Best 3rd down D in the league ... not too bad Jack. Smart move allowing teams to average 6 yards per play.[/quote]

I was wondering how much of that was because of Dallas defense plan. They seemed much more content to take away the pass and not be as aggressive in rush as Philly.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1324503]I was wondering how much of that was because of Dallas defense plan. They seemed much more content to take away the pass and not be as aggressive in rush as Philly.[/quote]

The problem is the Eagles and Lions were getting immediate pressure off 4 man rushes. Their guy would just instantly beat our guy one on one and make a B line for the QB.

Yesterday, cowboys seemed to just rush 3 or 4 on predictable passing plays and for the most part created pressure.

First sack early, Trai just let him go right up the middle untouched.
Second sack, 3 man rush and Cosmi pushes his guy up field but Carson backpedals past where the pocket should be.

[B]If teams can create pressure only bringing 4 ... we are cooked. [/B]You cant really quick throw against that as guys are dropping back into zones/bracketing outside/so many moving parts on D .. and you dont have time for a receiver to shake coverage and do the scramble/broken play drill.

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You cant do anything about it as a coach. Yes you can chip or double w a TE on the outside .. but you need your O lineman to be able to go hat on hat and hold for at least a few seconds.

Guys going untouched up the middle ... maybe keep your RB but still, coaches cant do much

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1324456]If the Steelers change QB’s and go with Pickett, what’s our excuse.[/quote]

From what I have heard Howell is just not ready. I think you give CW Titans, their D isn't nearly as good as Philly and Dallas. If there is improvement there then give him Chicago they have a very good D but I think a game plan like Dallas might get a W. If no improvement you might seriously have to consider Howell. At the very least we should kick the tires on him before end of the season that way we can tell whether or not we go back into the draft looking for a QB.

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[quote=SunnySide;1324504]

[B]If teams can create pressure only bringing 4 ... we are cooked. [/B][/quote]

Yeah the four man rush on known pass plays is a huge issue. I think we have to really stick to run and have the defense really question whether it is a run or passing down and for f sake stop doing play actions pass once the D has queued into that. You aren't fooling anyone

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Re QB change ...

I missed Jon Allens weekly tuesday radio interview w the junkies today but last week, I forgot his exact words .. but the locker room and team know/think it is way early in the season and they expect to win, just focusing on next game, take it game by game.

4 games in .. way to early to do something as major as QB benching.

Im sure all 53 expect to win on Sunday vs the Titans and get to 2-3.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1324516]Yeah the four man rush on known pass plays is a huge issue. I think we have to really stick to run and have the defense really question whether it is a run or passing down and for f sake stop doing play actions pass once the D has queued into that. You aren't fooling anyone[/quote]

Running into a stacked D line on those 2nd and longs was frustrating but I somewhat get the conservative approach ... radio heads are asking if Carson is allowed to yell "can" and check out of run and go to pass against a stacked box. No one knew the answer.

Then discussion was whether its center or QB who would call slide protections after Qb ids mike ... and how we had Nick Martin in there ....

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pass pro is a big problem with what we are trying to do.

4 games in .. we had to drastically change our offensive approach

not good

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[quote=SunnySide;1324517]Re QB change ...

I missed Jon Allens weekly tuesday radio interview w the junkies today but last week, I forgot his exact words .. but the locker room and team know/think it is way early in the season and they expect to win, just focusing on next game, take it game by game.

4 games in .. way to early to do something as major as QB benching.

Im sure all 53 expect to win on Sunday vs the Titans and get to 2-3.[/quote]Tennessee is a huge game, if we're going to have anything close to a decent season. Chicago is next so you never know. Great to hear Allen's comments honestly.

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The Titans are no walk in the park lol, they have the best RB in football and a very good DL, the way we this team is playing right now I wouldn't pick them against anyone

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I’m not sure we win 3 more games …

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1324520]Tennessee is a huge game, if we're going to have [B]anything close to a decent season[/B]. Chicago is next so you never know. Great to hear Allen's comments honestly.[/quote]

Good to see some people still have faith. It's not an easy thing in today's world.

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You can count me as having NO faith whatsoever in the coaches of this team …there is no way we beat Tennessee.. if you have faith in Danny and his coaches great ! I do not

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1324558]You can count me as having NO faith whatsoever in the coaches of this team …there is no way we beat Tennessee.. if you have faith in Danny and his coaches great ! I do not[/QUOTE]


I second this emotion. Im sick of this team gutting me every Sunday. It isn’t about faith it’s about reality. And the reality is i may root for a perennial loser but i aint no sucker. Haha. Not anymore. They stink.
They may or may not beat Tennessee. Shit happens. But this teams ceiling is 6 wins. You can book that shit.
That is one less than last year, and we were supposed to have cap space, and a full compliment of draft picks and continuity with the staff and blah blah blah. When this world has written its final chapter One of the greatest mysteries will be how Ron Rivera made Jay Grudens football team worse. For fucks sake Zorn once won 8 games. And that was when Snyder and Cerrato were running the damn team and its personnel decisions. Rivera is a really terrible HC, but he is thee worst GM we might ever see

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[quote=punch it in;1324568]I second this emotion. Im sick of this team gutting me every Sunday. It isn’t about faith it’s about reality. And the reality is i may root for a perennial loser but i aint no sucker. Haha. Not anymore. They stink.
They may or may not beat Tennessee. Shit happens. [B]But this teams ceiling is 6 wins. You can book that shit.[/B]
That is one less than last year, and we were supposed to have cap space, and a full compliment of draft picks and continuity with the staff and blah blah blah. When this world has written its final chapter One of the greatest mysteries will be how Ron Rivera made Jay Grudens football team worse. For fucks sake Zorn once won 8 games. And that was when Snyder and Cerrato were running the damn team and its personnel decisions. Rivera is a really terrible HC, but he is thee worst GM we might ever see[/quote]

So you are taking the under

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1324569]So you are taking the under[/QUOTE]


My only bet is they don’t win more than 6 games. But if 6 was the number, and i was a gambling man id take the under. Push would be worse case scenario. I wouldn’t lose.

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[quote=punch it in;1324568]I second this emotion. Im sick of this team gutting me every Sunday. It isn’t about faith it’s about reality. And the reality is i may root for a perennial loser but i aint no sucker. Haha. Not anymore. They stink.
They may or may not beat Tennessee. Shit happens. But this teams ceiling is 6 wins. You can book that shit.
That is one less than last year, and we were supposed to have cap space, and a full compliment of draft picks and continuity with the staff and blah blah blah. When this world has written its final chapter One of the greatest mysteries will be how Ron Rivera made Jay Grudens football team worse. For fucks sake Zorn once won 8 games. And that was when Snyder and Cerrato were running the damn team and its personnel decisions. Rivera is a really terrible HC, but he is thee worst GM we might ever see[/quote]

I went into the season expecting losses every week. The Jags did surprise me but didn't change my mind. Gotta admit these losses haven't bothered me as I fully expected them. This team will have one of the 2 top picks in the 2023 draft is and has been my prediction. Oh and I predict 3 wins and would take the under.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1324579]I went into the season expecting losses every week. The Jags did surprise me but didn't change my mind. Gotta admit these losses haven't bothered me as I fully expected them. This team will have one of the 2 top picks in the 2023 draft is and has been my prediction. Oh and I predict 3 wins and would take the under.[/QUOTE]


Tennessee, Chicago, Indy, Houston. Maybe Atlanta? Thats 5 winnable games evern for us. Id say we win at least two. Usually there is at least one game we win that we have no business winning. Hard to go 0-6 in the division. If I had to put an exact number on wins id say 5. Leaning towards 4, not 6.
Im no longer bothered by the ineptitude either.

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[quote=punch it in;1324580]Tennessee, Chicago, Indy, Houston. Maybe Atlanta? Thats 5 winnable games evern for us. Id say we win at least two. Usually there is at least one game we win that we have no business winning. Hard to go 0-6 in the division. If I had to put an exact number on wins id say 5. Leaning towards 4, not 6.
Im no longer bothered by the ineptitude either.[/quote]

I think there’s a little bit of bs in that last sentence,cmon admit it :)
It’s just went on for so long you’re used to it now,you’ve gotten older and other things are more important,but it still bothers you, or maybe I’m just projecting lmao

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[quote=punch it in;1324574]My only bet is they don’t win more than 6 games. But if 6 was the number, and i was a gambling man id take the under. Push would be worse case scenario. I wouldn’t lose.[/quote]

I was just being flippant but I did hear on Sheehan this morning that the line was 6.5 games so I think you have a future as a Vegas odds maker there.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1324583]I think there’s a little bit of bs in that last sentence,cmon admit it :)
It’s just went on for so long you’re used to it now,you’ve gotten older and other things are more important,but it still bothers you, or maybe I’m just projecting lmao[/QUOTE]


Absolutely no bs. I am older, family, etc etc but up until a few years ago an L definitely pissed me off for days. My wife would see me after the game and be like “oh great they lost again “ because id be visibly pissed off. A win made Monday mornings like Christmas day.
Now, before the game is over Im completely over it. Even after a win, Im over it.
I like venting in the gameday thread cus it’s hysterical. SD, Rave - some good stuff going on in there. But trust me H I dont think about a win or a loss for one minute after the game is over.

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[quote=punch it in;1324593]Absolutely no bs. I am older, family, etc etc but up until a few years ago an L definitely pissed me off for days. My wife would see me after the game and be like “oh great they lost again “ because id be visibly pissed off. A win made Monday mornings like Christmas day.
Now, before the game is over Im completely over it. Even after a win, Im over it.
I like venting in the gameday thread cus it’s hysterical. SD, Rave - some good stuff going on in there. But trust me H I dont think about a win or a loss for one minute after the game is over.[/quote]

I am pretty much exactly the same, I used to let it bother me but I’m over it after the game(most of the time) I rarely watch games live Because I don’t have Sunday ticket and I’m in Houston,if it’s MNF then I’m gonna watch till they start sucking then I turn it off.I can’t say it doesn’t bother me all the time though, I think if I would’ve saw that Dallas game, and Dallas got away with all the calls I heard they got away with,I would be pissed! Dallas is the team I hate the most and I can’t stand losing to them, and if I watch the game and they’re getting all the calls and missing calls on our side and that really pisses me off,so something like that will bother me for a couple hours

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From Keim:
On Sunday, Washington ran the ball when Wentz was under center on 18 of 20 snaps. They did average 5.2 yards on those runs; very good. But the one pass completion lost one yard.
Passed the ball on 41 of 50 times when in shotgun. 4.17 per attempt.

IMO this is a problem. The lack of variety here telegraphs to the defense what is coming. I am not a big advocate of running out of shot gun due to lack of acceleration at the handoff, but something needs to be done to make passing/running less noticeable. I also think ST needs to work with CW to step into the "pocket" instead of back peddaling. This will enhance his views of open targets. While I do question whether the o-line can hold a pocket completely they weren't the biggest problem with the offense against Dallas (minus when Leno and Norwell decided to block each other)

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1324651]From Keim:
On Sunday, Washington ran the ball when Wentz was under center on 18 of 20 snaps. They did average 5.2 yards on those runs; very good. But the one pass completion lost one yard.
Passed the ball on 41 of 50 times when in shotgun. 4.17 per attempt.

IMO this is a problem. The lack of variety here telegraphs to the defense what is coming. I am not a big advocate of running out of shot gun due to lack of acceleration at the handoff, but something needs to be done to make passing/running less noticeable. I also think ST needs to work with CW to step into the "pocket" instead of back peddaling. This will enhance his views of open targets. While I do question whether the o-line can hold a pocket completely they weren't the biggest problem with the offense against Dallas (minus when Leno and Norwell decided to block each other)[/quote]

Yesh ... thats a clear tell.

Wentz is showing happy feet in the pocket, taking these mini steps ... I thought his pocket presence was one of his strengths.

Just give me those quick hit 3-5 step drop plays, back foot plants = ball comes out.

Slants to Terry, double crosses ... easy pitch and catch plays. Feed Terry early.

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If you can't step up into the pocket, you can't have success in the NFL. But easier said than done with our guard play and Chase being injured. But what Wentz is doing now is not working. Rather take sacks in the pocket than dropping backwards. That way you lose 5 yards or less. He's taking sacks and intentional groundings that absolutely ruin drives. At this point tho, I don't think it's fixable. He isn't some inexperienced player.

Our offensive line needs a complete overhaul. 3 or 4 new starters. Definitely 2 new guards.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1324676]If you can't step up into the pocket, you can't have success in the NFL. But easier said than done with our guard play and Chase being injured. But what Wentz is doing now is not working. Rather take sacks in the pocket than dropping backwards. That way you lose 5 yards or less. He's taking sacks and intentional groundings that absolutely ruin drives. At this point tho, I don't think it's fixable. He isn't some inexperienced player.

Our offensive line needs a complete overhaul. 3 or 4 new starters. Definitely 2 new guards.[/quote]

I hear ya, Im with ya ... but Im not giving up hope this isnt fixable. I know we hate the staff but weve shown the ability to adjust over a season. In game? After a few games? No way. After 4-8 games .. maybe.

We went into Dallas with the no. 1 goal of not getting sacked 9 times. We accomplished that .. for the most part. How much did winning the "limit sacks" battle cost us the war? Who knows.

Im not giving up hope.

Really thought we could bounce back vs a Cooper Rush offense, with a few games film to prep with.

Deflated after this cowboys loss.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1324651]From Keim:
On Sunday, Washington ran the ball when Wentz was under center on 18 of 20 snaps. They did average 5.2 yards on those runs; very good. But the one pass completion lost one yard.
Passed the ball on 41 of 50 times when in shotgun. 4.17 per attempt.

IMO this is a problem. The lack of variety here telegraphs to the defense what is coming. I am not a big advocate of running out of shot gun due to lack of acceleration at the handoff, but something needs to be done to make passing/running less noticeable. I also think ST needs to work with CW to step into the "pocket" instead of back peddaling. This will enhance his views of open targets. While I do question whether the o-line can hold a pocket completely they weren't the biggest problem with the offense against Dallas (minus when Leno and Norwell decided to block each other)[/quote]

If you ever listen to the Kevin Sheehan podcast, he has Chris Cooley on there to break down the games. This was the first thing Cooley pointed out...the success they had running the ball with the zone schemes, but then had no play action or any passing out of that same scheme. So this is the NFL, doesn't take long to figure that out. 2 weeks in a row where Scott Turner has not looked like a competent OC.

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[quote=Redskins247;1324684]If you ever listen to the Kevin Sheehan podcast, he has Chris Cooley on there to break down the games. This was the first thing Cooley pointed out...the success they had running the ball with the zone schemes, but then had no play action or any passing out of that same scheme. So this is the NFL, doesn't take long to figure that out. 2 weeks in a row where Scott Turner has not looked like a competent OC.[/quote]

Listened to it. Re-watched it. Spot on.

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Scott Turner did a press conf yesterday .. I caught bits of it.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9vB6HaZBy8[/url]

Running 18 out of 20 under center formations -- not worried about in game tendencies, run was working 5.3 yds per carry .... need to improve PA .. they look at tendencies week to week but not worried about in one game

Carson changing plays at LOS -- there wasnt a lot, we try to get up to the line and go quickly

Try to help O line - tried to get ball out quick, run ball, help certain guys

Charles - brings some athleticism, see him on screens, can play guard or tackle, anticipates he will play well, thought he did a good job when he got in there

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[quote=SunnySide;1324761]Scott Turner did a press conf yesterday .. I caught bits of it.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9vB6HaZBy8[/url]

Running 18 out of 20 under center formations -- not worried about in game tendencies, run was working 5.3 yds per carry .... need to improve PA .. they look at tendencies week to week but not worried about in one game

Carson changing plays at LOS -- there wasnt a lot, we try to get up to the line and go quickly

Try to help O line - tried to get ball out quick, run ball, help certain guys

Charles - brings some athleticism, see him on screens, can play guard or tackle, anticipates he will play well, thought he did a good job when he got in there[/quote]

I'm no coach, but not worrying about in-game tendencies seems insane. We've heard at least a couple of times this year about the other team knowing what we were going to do and being able to successfully counter it. I can't believe that making in-game adjustments when it looks like your opponent has figured things out is abnormal.