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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1336530]Agreed. I do think our defense had something to do with that though.[/quote]

Yes. Our line applied pressure consistently. Tampa didn't.

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Kurt Warner breaks down SH pre-draft 2 part videos

[url]https://youtu.be/SVcGzhhhakc[/url]

[url]https://youtu.be/u5o8n2Av8BM[/url]

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Carrying over from the other thread:

Keep drafting guys to find a QB. But also never actually play the QBs that were drafted. That doesn't match-up. You need to give the guys a chance to see if they are the answer or not.

If he had a (1) next to his name instead of a (5) this wouldn't even be a conversation.

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Sam Howell 2020 at UNC:

68.1% completion rate
3586 passing yards
30 passing touchdowns
7 interceptions
146 rushing yards
5 rushing touchdowns
3,732 total yards
35 total touchdowns
Finished 14th in NCAAF QBR

Sam Howell 2021 at UNC:

62.5% completion rate
3056 passing yards
24 passing touchdowns
9 interceptions
828 rushing yards
11 rushing touchdowns
3884 total yards
35 total touchdowns
Finished 21st in NCAAF QBR

It's pretty crazy this dropped him from a pretty much guaranteed 1st round pick to a 5th rounder.

Between the 2020 and 2021 seasons, Howell lost Javonte Williams, Dyami Brown, Dazz Newsome, and Michael Carter to the draft alone. That doesn't even include any O-lineman that started in 2020 that just didn't get drafted, but were still starters. Any QB that loses 4 NFL draft picks from their offense, is very likely going to have a dip in their stats. Especially when its not from a powerhouse that just replaces guys every year, like Bama, GA, OSU, etc.

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His wheels are very very underrated. I for one feel extremely fortunate that he is on our team and that we snagged him in the fifth. It will go down as an absolute steal one day.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1336893]Sam Howell 2020 at UNC:

68.1% completion rate
3586 passing yards
30 passing touchdowns
7 interceptions
146 rushing yards
5 rushing touchdowns
3,732 total yards
35 total touchdowns
Finished 14th in NCAAF QBR

Sam Howell 2021 at UNC:

62.5% completion rate
3056 passing yards
24 passing touchdowns
9 interceptions
828 rushing yards
11 rushing touchdowns
3884 total yards
35 total touchdowns
Finished 21st in NCAAF QBR

It's pretty crazy this dropped him from a pretty much guaranteed 1st round pick to a 5th rounder.

Between the 2020 and 2021 seasons, Howell lost Javonte Williams, Dyami Brown, Dazz Newsome, and Michael Carter to the draft alone. That doesn't even include any O-lineman that started in 2020 that just didn't get drafted, but were still starters. Any QB that loses 4 NFL draft picks from their offense, is very likely going to have a dip in their stats. Especially when its not from a powerhouse that just replaces guys every year, like Bama, GA, OSU, etc.[/quote]

By way of comparison...

Drake Maye 2022 at UNC

66.2% completion rate
4321 passing yards
38 passing touchdowns
7 interceptions
698 rushing yards
7 rushing touchdowns
5019 total yards
45 total touchdowns

Howells numbers don't look so great now.

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[quote=davy;1336915]By way of comparison...

Drake Maye 2022 at UNC

66.2% completion rate
4321 passing yards
38 passing touchdowns
7 interceptions
698 rushing yards
7 rushing touchdowns
5019 total yards
45 total touchdowns

Howells numbers don't look so great now.[/quote]

Maye will be the No. 1 overall pick next year. Those numbers are absurd. That can't be the litmus test.

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UNC finished Top 10 in total yards in 2020 and 2021.

[url]https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team/_/season/2021[/url]

Howell falling to the 5th for us was a lucky break. Not because every team was right 4 times.

Every year, there are tons of players that go way later than they should.

Curl and McLaurin being 2 examples just from our team.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1336916]Maye will be the No. 1 overall pick next year. Those numbers are absurd. That can't be the litmus test.[/quote]

Caleb Williams will be but Maye top 5 for sure

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336918]Caleb Williams will be but Maye top 5 for sure[/quote]

Maye will be a better NFL QB imo, but you could be right.

I'll edit to he will be drafted in the Top 2.

Those guys will go Top 2 in some order.

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They are both the type of guys you go all in for. Nothing like em this year.

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[quote=punch it in;1336925]They are both the type of guys you go all in for. Nothing like em this year.[/quote]

So i say roll with Howell and if he sucks we get a high pick in 24 with a new HC

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1336946]So i say roll with Howell and if he sucks we get a high pick in 24 with a new HC[/QUOTE]


Exactly dont reach this year when
A) you might not have to we dont know yet
B) 2024 is much more appealing

Get the Oline rebuilt now for either Howell or a better option in FA or the draft in 24

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Commanders teammates laud Sam Howell ahead of huge offseason

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/commanders-teammates-laud-sam-howell-222300664.html[/url]

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I would take Sam right now with no proven Nfl experience OVER Dak and Russell and Cousins and Carr ( with what they would cost)!and the list goes on and on … if this Kid turns out good then we can spend the money to fill in the holes ..we gotta hope we found a gem in the fifth!!!

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1337739]I would take Sam right now with no proven Nfl experience OVER Dak and Russell and Cousins and Carr ( with what they would cost)!and the list goes on and on … if this Kid turns out good then we can spend the money to fill in the holes ..we gotta hope we found a gem in the fifth!!![/QUOTE]

If ALL we needed was a QB, I would take Dak, Cousins, Carr and a bunch of others over Howell. However, since there are multiple position groups we have to address, I am good with moving forward with Howell so we can shore up the O-line, the back seven of the D, and maybe pay some of our own.

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I’d slow down on saying Howell is better than Dak and Cousins even with the $$ but I definitely want to see him get a shot to start


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Never said Howell was better than any of them .. I said based on the cost to have one of them .. IS Dallas thrilled with Dak? , Cousins is exactly who we thought he was .. Wilson really helped Denver..smh ,Carr at his price ??? I stand by my statement!! We are better off right now than with Those choices BASED on what it would COST ..I can see the comments now if we lose Payne because of cap space just to bring in a overpaid vet QB that won’t work out ..Those Guys I mentioned are cap killers … now I’m all for a vet at a reasonable price to compete ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1337742]Never said Howell was better than any of them .. I said based on the cost to have one of them .. IS Dallas thrilled with Dak? , Cousins is exactly who we thought he was .. Wilson really helped Denver..smh ,Carr at his price ??? I stand by my statement!! We are better off right now than with Those choices BASED on what it would COST ..I can see the comments now if we lose Payne because of cap space just to bring in a overpaid vet QB that won’t work out ..Those Guys I mentioned are cap killers … now I’m all for a vet at a reasonable price to compete ..[/quote]

Yeah agree with you on that, I want Jimmy G as QB2... He's a perfect backup and wont cost Carr type $$

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337743]Yeah agree with you on that, I want Jimmy G as QB2... He's a perfect backup and wont cost Carr type $$[/quote]

Jimmy G. will be a starter somewhere next year. There aren't 32 other QBs better than him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337741]I’d slow down on saying Howell is better than Dak and Cousins even with the $$ but I definitely want to see him get a shot to start


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The Sam Howell hype around here is hilarious.

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Hope springs eternal...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337743]Yeah agree with you on that, I want Jimmy G as QB2... He's a perfect backup and wont cost Carr type $$[/quote]

Jimmy G will get starter money somewhere - north of $35M per year for sure.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337743]Yeah agree with you on that, I want Jimmy G as QB2... He's a perfect backup and wont cost Carr type $$[/quote]

jimmy g>>>>>>> howell

until proven otherwise

i seriously count that last game of the season to the level of a pre season game, DAL gave zero shits about that game, exactly zero

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337743]Yeah agree with you on that, I want Jimmy G as QB2... He's a perfect backup and wont cost Carr type $$[/quote]

jimmy g>>>>>>> howell

until proven otherwise

i seriously count that last game of the season to the level of a pre season game, DAL gave zero shits about that game, exactly zero

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I don't love Jimmy G. but he would definitely be an upgrade over Wentz/Heinicke. Likely Howell too, but the verdict is still out on how good Howell is. I am high on him. Howell vs. Jimmy G is an upside vs. proven commodity bet. I would not be mad if we signed Jimmy G. Not my preference, but I'm not getting my pitchfork out either.

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I wouldn't mind Jimmy G. He would definitely be better than anyone we've had here in a while. The problem is, what are the implications of his contract for the rest of the roster. If it prohibits the necessary upgrades needed across the O-line and for the back 7 of the defense, and doesn't allow us to get anything done with some of our own Free Agents and those a year out from being Free Agents, then we're right back where we were bringing Wentz in.

This team is not just a QB away. I think it's close, but we're not there yet.

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[quote=mredskins;1337751]jimmy g>>>>>>> howell

until proven otherwise

i seriously count that last game of the season to the level of a pre season game, [B]DAL gave zero shits about that game, exactly zero[/B][/quote]

I don't believe that. If I remember correctly, the original plans was for Cowboys to rest the starters by 2nd half (or maybe before that) but they ended up keep them in the game because they couldn't score on us. That sure doesn't seem like they didn't care.

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[quote=GridIron26;1337761]I don't believe that. If I remember correctly, the original plans was for Cowboys to rest the starters by 2nd half (or maybe before that) but they ended up keep them in the game because they couldn't score on us. That sure doesn't seem like they didn't care.[/quote]

ok lets say they couldn't score on us then how does that have anything to do with howells performance.

all that win did was cost us the 10th pic

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[quote=GridIron26;1337761]I don't believe that. If I remember correctly, the original plans was for Cowboys to rest the starters by 2nd half (or maybe before that) but they ended up keep them in the game because they couldn't score on us. That sure doesn't seem like they didn't care.[/quote]

Yeah, the Cowpukes were playing for the #1 seed during the first half, and we completely outplayed them.

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Would Jimmy G cost more than Wentz?🤔

Wholly agree with getting in a vet to compete with/backup Howell. Wholly disagree with trading for ANY vet QB, simply because you're paying 3 ways; picks, and salary which would both probably be overpaying, then there's the players you miss out on in giving those picks away. Take a vet FA, and probably draft another QB so we go into camp with 4 QBs, and can stash one on the PS. Then if Howell or the vet don't work out, draft again next year and keep doing it.

I could easily live with Carr if he comes as an FA (though I doubt he'll come here). Brissett too, if neither of the aforementioned want to come. Be interesting to see who else might be available after the draft.

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Brisset is a big no for me.

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The crack pipe some of y’all are smoking looks a lot like Howells dick.
The disrespect for Cousins is crazy.
KC lead this bullshit team to two playoffs and the Vikings to two as well.
KC is in every other pro bowl and is near the league lead in passing yards every season.
He is who he is and that is a very good QB during the regular season*

You can’t pay our own guys and bring in a Vet QB. Draft till you get it right.

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[quote=jamf;1337796]The crack pipe some of y’all are smoking looks a lot like Howells dick.
The disrespect for Cousins is crazy.
KC lead this bullshit team to two playoffs and the Vikings to two as well.
KC is in every other pro bowl and is near the league lead in passing yards every season.
He is who he is and that is a very good QB during the regular season*

You can’t pay our own guys and bring in a Vet QB. Draft till you get it right.[/quote]

How do you know if you have it right if you don't actually play the guys you pick? No one supporting Howell for 2023 has said not to add QBs to the roster. Most of us have said add a vet and draft a guy. I just believe Howell will be better than the guys we will be able to add.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1337797]How do you know if you have it right if you don't actually play the guys you pick? No one supporting Howell for 2023 has said not to add QBs to the roster. Most of us have said add a vet and draft a guy. I just believe Howell will be better than the guys we will be able to add.[/quote]

QB is the only way to fast track this team to success. Why settle for an undersized project QB?

We need to bring in a project QB in the first round that has all the tools like a Mahomes or Allen and hope he works out. If not, you have midget Howell.
If he can’t win it outright in the preseason he probably isn’t going to be any good.

We need options. I’m not against Howell but I want to reach for an elite QB instead of being in QB purgatory like Dallas.

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[quote=jamf;1337871]QB is the only way to fast track this team to success. Why settle for an undersized project QB?

We need to bring in a project QB in the first round that has all the tools like a Mahomes or Allen and hope he works out. If not, you have midget Howell.
If he can’t win it outright in the preseason he probably isn’t going to be any good.

We need options. I’m not against Howell but I want to reach for an elite QB instead of being in QB purgatory like Dallas.[/quote]

I think Howell will be a good starter. My preference would be to use the picks on other positions in the 1st 2 rounds. But if we draft a QB in the 1st I'm not going to be upset, if he's a reasonable 1st round choice. But really, who will even be there at 16? Richardson is the only QB that will possibly be available that is worth a 1st round pick. Reaching on a QB in the 1st doesn't make them a 1st round prospect. Young, Stroud, and Levis will all be gone. Richardson could be gone too. It's basically Richardson or bust at 16.

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[quote=jamf;1337871]QB is the only way to fast track this team to success. Why settle for an undersized project QB?

We need to bring in a project QB in the first round that has all the tools like a Mahomes or Allen and hope he works out. If not, you have midget Howell.
If he can’t win it outright in the preseason he probably isn’t going to be any good.

We need options. I’m not against Howell but I want to reach for an elite QB instead of being in QB purgatory like Dallas.[/quote]

I'm sure glad you aren't our GM.

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Where would Sam Howell rank in the 2023 QB class? We ask four draft experts

[url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-commanders/post/_/id/42870/where-would-sam-howell-rank-in-the-2023-class-we-ask-four-draft-experts[/url]

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How would Howell compare to this class? “He’d be in there with Hooker and ahead of [Stetson] Bennett, ahead of Max Duggan, Jake Haener so either at five or six. I would have a second-round grade.”

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Howell is going to surprise a lot of folks.

Especially Jamf.