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[quote=punch it in;1335697]Well I have been calling for Howell for weeks along with others including SF the president of his fan club. So not hindsight. And I don’t remember anyone saying Carson is the guy. Lol.

Didn’t Dallas have a chance to win the division? If they were conceding to the Eagles I find it hard to believe they would have started everyone. We surprised them and kicked their asses.

Depends what you mean by draft picks. Im not sold on anyone coming out this year.
Howell was projected as a first rounder for alot of his time in college. He was a little off senior year. Maybe a little gun shy thinking he didn’t want to get injured and ruin his shot? He played for UNC so what was the best thing he had to play for an ACC coastal division championship shot at Clemson? I think teams were a little afraid of his height at 6-1. That is dumb. Howell was an absolute steal in the fifth round. Im not giving up serious picks and an unknown for another unknown. At least I saw Howell play an NFL game and look extremely solid. So no im not pulling that trigger. Not for someone who isn’t a Trevor Lawrence. And there is no Trevor Lawrence coming out.[/quote]

Bryce Young is supposed to be this years stud and he’s built like a twig and is even shorter than Howell. Be interesting to see where he goes in the draft.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1335525]Sam Howell is our QB next year.

Fire Turner, fix the line, and let's go!!![/quote]

That sounds like what I saw. Here's hoping this team is turning a page in its history.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1335702]Bryce Young is supposed to be this years stud and he’s built like a twig and is even shorter than Howell. Be interesting to see where he goes in the draft.[/QUOTE]


Yeah no thanks. I like Levis better. T- Rich better. Hell no on Stroud. OSU quarterbacks scare the hell out of me.

The recipe is simple for our offense. Build the oline. Get a good OC.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1335706]That sounds like what I saw. Here's hoping this team is turning a page in its history.[/quote]

Good to see you!

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People will look at Howell and compare him to TH but he's on another level than Taylor. I want him to be our QB1 and our future so bad lol but I also don't trust RR as a QB guy so he may not be the Starter longterm. We will see

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[quote=Chico23231;1335709]Good to see you![/quote]

Thanks. Hoping Snyder sells, and this team moves back to the right direction!

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1335706]That sounds like what I saw. Here's hoping this team is turning a page in its history.[/QUOTE]


CRed hope all is well man.

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[quote=punch it in;1335673]So who is starting? Is there a FA you want? Who are we trading up for and what are we giving up?[/quote]

We got plenty of time and a lot of the options available are still unknown.

id prefer

1. Adding a functional tier 2 vet QB, Carr being the bottom of that tier. I do not want to go the Wentz/Fitzpatrick route of adding a non functional vet. I know Carr isnt popular but hes functional. Something we havent had since Cousins.

^^ probably not likely as these guys rarely are made available during their functional years. I dont want a old vet like Matt Ryan, a former functional QB who is now no functional.

2. Trade up in the draft for one of the 4 top 10 QB prospects.

3. Ride Howell, go one game below .500, and have this same discussion next year.

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Easier to say what I dont want.

I want out of the mediocrity death roll.

Guys like Allen/Terry make it impossible to lose 12 or more games, but no QB makes it impossible to go to the playoffs.

I dont need another Sweat or Jamin Davis.

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[quote=SunnySide;1335715]We got plenty of time and a lot of the options available are still unknown.

id prefer

1. Adding a functional tier 2 vet QB, Carr being the bottom of that tier. I do not want to go the Wentz/Fitzpatrick route of adding a non functional vet. I know Carr isnt popular but hes functional. Something we havent had since Cousins.

^^ probably not likely as these guys rarely are made available during their functional years. I dont want a old vet like Matt Ryan, a former functional QB who is now no functional.

2. Trade up in the draft for one of the 4 top 10 QB prospects.

3. Ride Howell, go one game below .500, and have this same discussion next year.

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Easier to say what I dont want.

I want out of the mediocrity death roll.

Guys like Allen/Terry make it impossible to lose 12 or more games, but no QB makes it impossible to go to the playoffs.

I dont need another Sweat or Jamin Davis.[/quote]

I would not want to pay someone like Carr who sucks and that money can be spent on players like Curl, Payne, etc. there is no need to spend money on losers like Carr, Wentz. Have we not learned a lesson?

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1335715]We got plenty of time and a lot of the options available are still unknown.

id prefer

1. Adding a functional tier 2 vet QB, Carr being the bottom of that tier. I do not want to go the Wentz/Fitzpatrick route of adding a non functional vet. I know Carr isnt popular but hes functional. Something we havent had since Cousins.

^^ probably not likely as these guys rarely are made available during their functional years. I dont want a old vet like Matt Ryan, a former functional QB who is now no functional.

2. Trade up in the draft for one of the 4 top 10 QB prospects.

3. Ride Howell, go one game below .500, and have this same discussion next year.

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Easier to say what I dont want.

I want out of the mediocrity death roll.

Guys like Allen/Terry make it impossible to lose 12 or more games, but no QB makes it impossible to go to the playoffs.

I dont need another Sweat or Jamin Davis.[/QUOTE]


Option 1 makes my stomach turn and head spin. Lol

Option 2 is risky anytime but more-so when there isn’t a bonafide stud. Which is this year. Also what are we giving up to take that risk?

That imo leaves Option 3. Roll with Sam. I just disagree with him being our quarterback and seeing the same results or even worse (1 game under .500) that we did this year. The fact that you think he wouldn’t be a better option than Taylor, or even Wentz is questionable to say the least. We “should” have a better D next year if we address LB and CB. Young will be fully healthy. We certainly “should” still have our RB’s and WR’s intact. See to me the question isn’t Sam as much as it is who is calling the shots when it comes to personnel. Who is calling the plays? Who is the HC? But even if we ran it back with this same exact team and staff ( [emoji2961] ) I see Sam as an upgrade. Imo if Sam came in for that first Giants game and played the last month our season would not be over.

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[quote=punch it in;1335717]Option 1 makes my stomach turn and head spin. Lol

Option 2 is risky anytime but more-so when there isn’t a bonafide stud. Which is this year. Also what are we giving up to take that risk?

That imo leaves Option 3. Roll with Sam. I just disagree with him being our quarterback and seeing the same results or even worse (1 game under .500) that we did this year. The fact that you think he wouldn’t be a better option than Taylor, or even Wentz is questionable to say the least. We “should” have a better D next year if we address LB and CB. Young will be fully healthy. We certainly “should” still have our RB’s and WR’s intact. See to me the question isn’t Sam as much as it is who is calling the shots when it comes to personnel. Who is calling the plays? Who is the HC? But even if we ran it back with this same exact team and staff ( [emoji2961] ) I see Sam as an upgrade. Imo if Sam came in for that first Giants game and played the last month our season would not be over.[/quote]

Option 1 is the only path to the playoffs next year

Option 2 is the only path to potential long term playoff contender/SB contender

Option 3 is digestible but most likely its just a car ride in a circle and we end back here in mediocrity purgatory at this same time next year wondering what to do with our 16th overall pick

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It is what it is.

We have no control or say so.

I will cheer for whoever is under center.

With this team .. its doesnt matter.

until we land a stud QB1 ... its all the same shit, different year.

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[quote=SunnySide;1335718]Option 1 is the only path to the playoffs next year

Option 2 is the only path to potential long term playoff contender/SB contender

Option 3 is digestible but most likely its just a car ride in a circle and we end back here in mediocrity purgatory at this same time next year wondering what to do with our 16th overall pick

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It is what it is.

We have no control or say so.

I will cheer for whoever is under center.

With this team .. its doesnt matter.

until we land a stud QB1 ... its all the same shit, different year.[/quote]

We were 1 win away from the playoffs this year with Heinicke and Wentz.

Howell will be better than both of them next year. We can absolutely make the playoffs with Howell as our QB.

Sam howell takes Down Dallas postgame
 

[QUOTE=SunnySide;1335718]Option 1 is the only path to the playoffs next year

Option 2 is the only path to potential long term playoff contender/SB contender

Option 3 is digestible but most likely its just a car ride in a circle and we end back here in mediocrity purgatory at this same time next year wondering what to do with our 16th overall pick

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It is what it is.

We have no control or say so.

I will cheer for whoever is under center.

With this team .. its doesnt matter.

until we land a stud QB1 ... its all the same shit, different year.[/QUOTE]


We we’re pretty damn close to the playoffs this year SS. Slightly better quarterback play would’ve got us there. I don’t think it is as doom and gloom as usual when the season is over but who knows? Competent staff and a new owner would br a great start. Howell may surprise us but we need the right people around him. See the 49’ers.

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Interesting article from 2021 that looks at trading up for "your guy" It had been done 29 times in the common draft era with mixed results.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/story/_/id/31173355/all-29-s-nfl-teams-traded-draft-quarterback[/url]

I don't want to do a king's ransom for a guy because that gamble rarely seems to work but a modest trade up if we think we can get a first round grade prospect I'd be for it.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1335721]Interesting article from 2021 that looks at trading up for "your guy" It had been done 29 times in the common draft era with mixed results.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/story/_/id/31173355/all-29-s-nfl-teams-traded-draft-quarterback[/url]

I don't want to do a king's ransom for a guy because that gamble rarely seems to work but a modest trade up if we think we can get a first round grade prospect I'd be for it.[/quote]

Mixed results? Mainly bad to terrible results.

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[quote=punch it in;1335720]We we’re pretty damn close to the playoffs this year SS. Slightly better quarterback play would’ve got us there. I don’t think it is as doom and gloom as usual when the season is over but who knows? Competent staff and a new owner would br a great start. Howell may surprise us but we need the right people around him. See the 49’ers.[/quote]

Better decision making in the titans and vikings games also get us there...

see the ridiculous games vs. the giants, as well.

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[quote=punch it in;1335593]Better than going in with Wentz and Taylor and they got us 7 wins. Howell is better than either guy. If he played for the last few weeks our season isn’t over.[/quote]

Wouldn't go in with them either

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1335721]Interesting article from 2021 that looks at trading up for "your guy" It had been done 29 times in the common draft era with mixed results.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/story/_/id/31173355/all-29-s-nfl-teams-traded-draft-quarterback[/url]

I don't want to do a king's ransom for a guy because that gamble rarely seems to work but a modest trade up if we think we can get a first round grade prospect I'd be for it.[/quote]

i wonder if they write a code that goes back in past articles and wipes Redskins/WFT logos and replaces it with Commanders logo.

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Andrew Brandt always talks about the conflict between the front office (planning for the future) vs coaching staff (planning for now). With new ownership and Snyder's f*ckery out of the way, I'm curious to see some of that in play next year.

While a new owner won't make changes right away, I'm sure there will be some push back on making a big trade, either up in the draft or for a veteran, this offseason. I guess this would depend on the timeline of when a new owner can take charge of the team and when free agency/the draft happens.

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[quote=mredskins;1335725]i wonder if they write a code that goes back in past articles and wipes Redskins/WFT logos and replaces it with Commanders logo.[/quote]


Hahaha that's funny I didn't even notice that the first time I went through

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1335716]I would not want to pay someone like Carr who sucks and that money can be spent on players like Curl, Payne, etc. there is no need to spend money on losers like Carr, Wentz. Have we not learned a lesson?[/QUOTE]


DO NOT get Carr. He is a below avg QB that chokes in big games. He’s very similar to Dak and Cousins. Looks good one week and shit the next. Why pay someone like that??


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1335734]DO NOT get Carr. He is a below avg QB that chokes in big games. He’s very similar to Dak and Cousins. Looks good one week and shit the next. Why pay someone like that??


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[quote=EdmundDorf;1335630]With Howell it is not just the arm, his ball placement is light years ahead of Heinicke and Wentz, that allowed Terry and Jahan to run after the catch, also contributed to a couple of the drops as they were getting a little to eager to head upfield knowing the ball was going to arrive when it was supposed to. Directly contributed to Terrys touchdown. [B]Still cant fathom how you start a rookie QB to "take a look" in a meaningless game and only have him pass the ball 19 times.[/B] A couple of PI should also be added to the evaluation of his completion/yardage stats[/quote]

To be fair, he had 25 dropbacks out of 63 plays, which is about the right formula for this team. He was sacked three times and decided to run three times. I think it was a balance of evaluating Howell while also trying to win the game.

He looked pretty good overall, minus that one terrible INT, and most importantly, he answered the question as to whether he should be in the conversation next year. He should be, and he very well may be "the guy" going forward, but there should also be a legitimate competition. You can't conclusively say he's the guy after 25 dropbacks/19 passes, five rushes, one TD, and one INT.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1335739]To be fair, he had 25 dropbacks out of 63 plays, which is about the right formula for this team. He was sacked three times and decided to run three times. I think it was a balance of evaluating Howell while also trying to win the game.

He looked pretty good overall, minus that one terrible INT, and most importantly, he answered the question as to whether he should be in the conversation next year. He should be, and he very well may be "the guy" going forward, but there should also be a legitimate competition. You can't conclusively say he's the guy after 25 dropbacks/19 passes, five rushes, one TD, and one INT.[/QUOTE]


Definitely cannot but the question is how much do we want to pay or give up for that competition based on what we saw? I mean there is definitely a little blind faith involved moving forward. I saw enough to say let’s roll the dice and not give up picks to move up for anyone coming out this year. Probably enough to pass on someone who falls to us and take oline or cb or something else we need. If we take someone in the fourth or Fifth again like maybe the kid out of byu (forget his name) and let them battle it out thats fine.

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All this talk about retread qb's and I'm like - I'd rather bring in someone cheap as a backup and let Howell/Heinicke/3rd person duke it out for the starting job, then use those savings to rebuild the offensive line from scratch. Trading any high picks looks bad to me right now considering how Watson and Russ Wilson looked. If the draft class is weak I don't see the point in drafting any of them higher than the 3rd round.

We kinda already know Ron is sticking around because why would Dan want to pay his salary with one foot out the door. Ron needs to let Scott Turner go. It will be tough on Howell having to learn another system but its obvious there are a lot of players who have an issue with Turner's playcalling.

No need to spend big money on anyone this year with Snyder hopefully selling. That is the big domino.

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“That was as thorough a butt-kicking as we’ve had this year." - Jerry Jones

Well that quote made me smile. HTTR!!

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[quote=mooby;1335752]All this talk about retread qb's and I'm like -[B] I'd rather bring in someone cheap as a backup and let Howell/Heinicke/3rd person duke it out for the starting job, then use those savings to rebuild the offensive line from scratch. Trading any high picks looks bad to me right now considering how Watson and Russ Wilson looked.[/B] If the draft class is weak I don't see the point in drafting any of them higher than the 3rd round.

We kinda already know Ron is sticking around because why would Dan want to pay his salary with one foot out the door. Ron needs to let Scott Turner go. It will be tough on Howell having to learn another system but its obvious there are a lot of players who have an issue with Turner's playcalling.

No need to spend big money on anyone this year with Snyder hopefully selling. That is the big domino.[/quote]

This. We this year proved that no way of finding a QB is safe from a huge swing and miss, we knew already that about the draft, we experienced it first hand with the "cheap retread with a high ceiling" approach, and we now know that even the "sell the house for a HoFer" isn't 100% safe... We have a kid here that is worth trying out, fix the team around him, bring some other QB(s) any way you can as long as it's not expensive, and see where it goes.

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[quote=Stacks42;1335753]“That was as thorough a butt-kicking as we’ve had this year." - Jerry Jones

Well that quote made me smile. HTTR!![/quote]

Beating the cowboys never gets old, but embarrassing on the game of the week is nice

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[quote=mredskins;1335725]i wonder if they write a code that goes back in past articles and wipes Redskins/WFT logos and replaces it with Commanders logo.[/quote]

no, they just have database table with the logos. Just change it in that one place and all the articles referring to a team use the new one.

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Nice gesture by Wentz.

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/09/carson-wentz-gave-sam-howell-his-suite-for-howells-family-to-attend-sundays-game/[/url]

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In reference to all the QB talk and drafting college QB etc …I’m sure most of you know this … but a college football is smaller than a Nfl football .. I never knew that and I wonder if it make a difference ?

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1335766]I’m sure most of you know this … but a college football is smaller than a Nfl football .. I never knew that and that has to make a difference..[/QUOTE]


Had no idea. I googled it to find out how much smaller and found this…

As for the football used: In overall circumference, college footballs can be up to 1-1/4 inches smaller than NFL footballs. To get more detailed, the circumference of a college football ranges from 20-3/4 inches to 21-1/4 inches lengthwise from end to end, vs. the 21 inches to 21-1/4 inches in the NFL.

So the balls actually vary in size in college and the pros? Thats crazy.

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If figured it has to make some difference especially if a QB has smaller hands … I never knew

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Yes a college and HS ball are the same size


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Howell’s whole game plays:

[url]https://youtu.be/lypZIr7tuY0[/url]

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Howell's accuracy was really great in the game, I see only three throws that were off target.

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[quote=punch it in;1335768]Had no idea. I googled it to find out how much smaller and found this…

As for the football used: In overall circumference, college footballs can be up to 1-1/4 inches smaller than NFL footballs. To get more detailed, the circumference of a college football ranges from 20-3/4 inches to 21-1/4 inches lengthwise from end to end, vs. the 21 inches to 21-1/4 inches in the NFL.

So the balls actually vary in size in college and the pros? Thats crazy.[/quote]

I am guessing changes in temp and atmospheric pressure are main reasons but I do think there is some team preference on the internal PSI if I recall from deflate gate.

It is kind of funny for a league that is so anal about things that this isn't a big deal. They will literally stop the momentum of the game and disrupt crowd involvement for 15 minutes to decide to put or take of 1 second or if a receivers toes were a quarter of an inch one way or the other but the ball circumference, which can actually have a difference there is wiggle room.

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[quote=punch it in;1335768]Had no idea. I googled it to find out how much smaller and found this…

As for the football used: In overall circumference, college footballs can be up to 1-1/4 inches smaller than NFL footballs. To get more detailed, the circumference of a college football ranges from 20-3/4 inches to 21-1/4 inches lengthwise from end to end, vs. the 21 inches to 21-1/4 inches in the NFL.

So the balls actually vary in size in college and the pros? Thats crazy.[/quote]

No matter how you spin it, size will always matter. Pride taking a little hit not knowing this until today. Crazy

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The NFL ball is skinny if that makes sense, In fact I find it easier than the GST College footballs. Brand matters too

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1335792]The NFL ball is skinny if that makes sense, In fact I find it easier than the GST College footballs. Brand matters too[/quote]

As a retired QB, and by retired I mean not good enough to ever sniff pro-ball lol, I can attest that the NCAAF and NFL footballs are completely different.

I preferred the college football myself. But I threw that one way more. I just had a NFL ball as a personal football, never had to use it in a game.