Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1336030]Yeah, he'd be great behind this o-line, which would essentially be the same (or perhaps worse) next year if you trade away a bunch of picks and take on that contract.

He had the benefit of having the 3rd best o-line this year according to PFF and he's watching the playoffs just like we are. Our o-line has to be bottom 5-10... You think he won't get killed?

Besides that, Seattle received multiple quality players and five draft picks for RW. AR would garner that and more. Nobody can be serious about giving up all those assets AND taking on his $30+ million contract, if they are also serious about improving the entirety of the roster - which is desperately needed.[/quote]

I'd be dead serious about making the move for Rodgers.

AR and a couple of OL and we'd be ready to cook.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1336030]Yeah, he'd be great behind this o-line, which would essentially be the same (or perhaps worse) next year if you trade away a bunch of picks and take on that contract.

He had the benefit of having the 3rd best o-line this year according to PFF and he's watching the playoffs just like we are. Our o-line has to be bottom 5-10... You think he won't get killed?

Besides that, Seattle received multiple quality players and five draft picks for RW. AR would garner that and more. Nobody can be serious about giving up all those assets AND taking on his $30+ million contract, if they are also serious about improving the entirety of the roster - which is desperately needed.[/quote]

Rodgers had the 3rd best line but that didn't compensate for the lack of experienced receivers. While we do need to improve our o-line, a lot of the issues the o-line had this year had to do with the QB play (Wentz terrible decision-making and opposing defenses were not scare of TH passing).

Between Rodgers' passing ability, our WRs, and our running game, you could have 5 of us at the line and it probably wouldn't matter much.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=MTK;1336032]I'd be dead serious about making the move for Rodgers.

AR and a couple of OL and we'd be ready to cook.[/quote]

Just like Russ was ready to cook? He cooked Nathaniel Hackett right back out of town before the season was over.

Y'all want to bring Rodgers here, pay him $30+ million, trade away 5-6 draft picks, put him behind a worse o-line, with the same play caller, and expect different results?

No thanks. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm not falling for that again.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Bringing AR in here would be a terrible idea. He is past his prime. Can't even beat the Lions at home with everything on the line. He isn't the player he once was. He was just throwing the ball up for grabs cause the Lions were putting heat on him. He doesn't want to get hit anymore.

I can get 3,600 and 26 td's out of Howell. Sure I may have to deal with some young QB mistakes but so be it. I want a QB to build around, not a guy who's a diva and is thinking about retirement after every season.

Also AR is not coming here under any circumstances. He'd retire before he came here.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1336036]Bringing AR in here would be a terrible idea. He is past his prime. Can't even beat the Lions at home with everything on the line. He isn't the player he once was. He was just throwing the ball up for grabs cause the Lions were putting heat on him. He doesn't want to get hit anymore.

I can get 3,600 and 26 td's out of Howell. Sure I may have to deal with some young QB mistakes but so be it. I want a QB to build around, not a guy who's a diva and is thinking about retirement after every season.

Also AR is not coming here under any circumstances. He'd retire before he came here.[/quote]

Posted in the other chat but there is chatter that the Bears would listen to offers for Fields, I was hoping we would get him when he came out. He's a Bigger Lamar and better passer.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1336039]Posted in the other chat but there is chatter that the Bears would listen to offers for Fields, I was hoping we would get him when he came out. He's a Bigger Lamar and better passer.[/quote]

My thing w/ Fields is he hasn't improved his passing in two years. He is too much of a running back playing QB, which is kind of surprising because he was such a good passer at Ohio State. Why isn't he developing?

If the Bears are willing to listen to offers then what does that tell you? They're not sold on him and they like Young or Stroud better. I didn't see the Bills trying to trade Josh Allen.

Just tired of the constant going after QB's on other teams. It hasn't worked. I'm going the route of the draft and I will keep drafting guys until I hit on one. And if and when I hit on one I'm still going to be drafting QB's.

IMO we just don't have the right guys in here to develop and draft QB's and the proof is in the pudding.

Maybe McVay misses DC and wants to come back here.. lol. We need a guy like that. Offense first and can develop QB's.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

No to AR. Has nobody seen the lessons the Colts have repeatedly been teaching, going after aging/retread QBs past their prime? We have the bones of a good young roster, so why is everyone thinking that slotting in a 30+ guy that'll cost valuable picks and a huge salary is all we need? 2 years down the line we'll be no better off, wasted the prime of McLaurin and Dotson, have no cap space and no draft picks. Roll with Howell. Whoever the OC is next, he has the chance to mould a capable young guy, and if it doesn't pan out next year, likely we have a new owner, new staff and picks in hand to go get the right guy. Not to mention hopefully a good OL to put in front of him because we used those picks to rebuild it instead of trading for a used up vet.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1336042]My thing w/ Fields is he hasn't improved his passing in two years. He is too much of a running back playing QB, which is kind of surprising because he was such a good passer at Ohio State. Why isn't he developing?

If the Bears are willing to listen to offers then what does that tell you? They're not sold on him and they like Young or Stroud better. I didn't see the Bills trying to trade Josh Allen.

Just tired of the constant going after QB's on other teams. It hasn't worked. I'm going the route of the draft and I will keep drafting guys until I hit on one. And if and when I hit on one I'm still going to be drafting QB's.

IMO we just don't have the right guys in here to develop and draft QB's and the proof is in the pudding.

Maybe McVay misses DC and wants to come back here.. lol. We need a guy like that. Offense first and can develop QB's.[/QUOTE]


Some have said Greg Roman but if that’s the case we know his track history, he wants a Running QB and a heavy run game with it.

As far as QB goes I agree with you, if they don’t think Howell is the guy then draft someone at 16 and draft a damn QB every year until you hit on one.

Eventually Our luck has to go our way similar to the bills and bengals


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Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Rodgers man idk. Gonna be 40 when the season starts? We would give up alot and probably wind up with no oline, no ilb, no shut down corner. Go real strong after Slowik and let him work with Howell. Brock Purdy is absolutely killing it. If we do not pursue Rodgers we can build a D and an oline like they have by next year. If we pursue Rodgers he better win next year. Just look at the niners. You do not need an absolute stud at qb if you have a good D, run game, weapons, oline, and staff. We are very close to having that if we bring in Slowik, draft right and make some moves in FA. And we are not mortgaging our future. You bring in AR u better win it all in the next two years.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1336008]Ron needs to absolutely go after a guy [I]like[/I] Slowik. It's easy to say someone like that wouldn't want to come here in a lame duck year for RR etc., but if you are confident in what you can do, you could ultimately thrive here as an OC with these weapons on offense and this defense. Really just need to improve that o-line and build an offensive scheme around what Howell does best. It's actually a great opportunity in my opinion.



And again, I am laughing out loud at everyone who is balking at the idea of having a physical running team. At no time did RR or Mayhew say that they didn't want a balanced attack. Everyone just inferred that. Who doesn't want a physical power running game, and to keep the opponent's offense off the field? Contrary to what a lot are surmising, that does not equate to not having a capable and potent vertical attack.



You can have both.[/QUOTE]Reading your post one thing occured to me: this OC position might be really attractive. On top of all the offensive weapon and a young QB to develop, the fact it's almost guaranteed Ron is gone after next season with the new owner, of you're confident in what you can accomplish in a year, you can hope to be in the discussion to get promoted to HC.
I mean yeah the new owner will want to name the HC, but if he has a OC that just had one of the most explosive offense in the league, he could look at it and go "I'll be the good guy that promote a young promising coach to HC, and focus on other things".
All speculation but yeah, that OC position may actually be more attractive than this team's HC job.

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Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1336054]Reading your post one thing occured to me: this OC position might be really attractive. On top of all the offensive weapon and a young QB to develop, the fact it's almost guaranteed Ron is gone after next season with the new owner, of you're confident in what you can accomplish in a year, you can hope to be in the discussion to get promoted to HC.
I mean yeah the new owner will want to name the HC, but if he has a OC that just had one of the most explosive offense in the league, he could look at it and go "I'll be the good guy that promote a young promising coach to HC, and focus on other things".
All speculation but yeah, that OC position may actually be more attractive than this team's HC job.

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I was thinking exactly the same. RR pretty much left the O up to Turner rather than overly meddle. That suggests that whoever comes in likely has almost free reign. A good young OC could turn this into a potent O with one good off-season, and at worst bolster his CV for a HC job wherever. That's why I wouldn't go for a retread; get the guy who's hungry.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1336055]I was thinking exactly the same. RR pretty much left the O up to Turner rather than overly meddle. [B]That suggests that whoever comes in likely has almost free reign[/B]. A good young OC could turn this into a potent O with one good off-season, and at worst bolster his CV for a HC job wherever. That's why I wouldn't go for a retread; get the guy who's hungry.[/quote]

I doubt the OC will have free reign. Ron has said that he wants a run first 1985 style offense so a modern OC is already constrained in what he can do and how potent the O can be. Ron likes his peeps and wont bring in someone he's unfamiliar with.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=irish;1336057]I doubt the OC will have free reign. Ron has said that he wants a run first 1985 style offense so a modern OC is already constrained in what he can do and how potent the O can be. Ron likes his peeps and wont bring in someone he's unfamiliar with.[/quote]

Shows you how out of date Ron is

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=punch it in;1336050]Rodgers man idk. Gonna be 40 when the season starts? We would give up alot and probably wind up with no oline, no ilb, no shut down corner. Go real strong after Slowik and let him work with Howell. Brock Purdy is absolutely killing it. If we do not pursue Rodgers we can build a D and an oline like they have by next year. If we pursue Rodgers he better win next year. Just look at the niners. You do not need an absolute stud at qb if you have a good D, run game, weapons, oline, and staff. We are very close to having that if we bring in Slowik, draft right and make some moves in FA. And we are not mortgaging our future. You bring in AR u better win it all in the next two years.[/quote]

Chances of winning it all in the next 2 years with Rodgers is much higher than without him.

Yes it's a risk and a move all your chips to the center of the table type of move. But fuck it, go big.

That said I seriously doubt it would happen given the ownership situation.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=irish;1336057]I doubt the OC will have free reign. Ron has said that he wants a run first 1985 style offense so a modern OC is already constrained in what he can do and how potent the O can be. Ron likes his peeps and wont bring in someone he's unfamiliar with.[/quote]

Don't fall for what RR was saying during that presser about wanting to run the ball.

Last offseason tells us all we need to know about what he wanted from the offense this year. They drafted a WR and a receiving TE. They signed Wentz for his arm and ability to stretch the field. They opened up the season trying to throw it 35-40 times a game until Wentz showed he couldn't get it done. They only reverted to pounding the ball once the Wentz experiment failed.

Instead of admitting they failed yet again at finding a QB and that's why the offense was run heavy, Ron tried to make it sound like that was the plan all along. It wasn't.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1336059]Chances of winning it all in the next 2 years with Rodgers is much higher than without him.

Yes it's a risk and a move all your chips to the center of the table type of move. But fuck it, go big.

That said I seriously doubt it would happen given the ownership situation.[/QUOTE]


Id get on board if it happened and a championship would erase any cares about the future.

If we run with Howell they better damn well make all the right moves around him. Either way we would be in a better position at quarterback than this year.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1336060]Don't fall for what RR was saying during that presser about wanting to run the ball.

Last offseason tells us all we need to know about what he wanted from the offense this year. They drafted a WR and a receiving TE. They signed Wentz for his arm and ability to stretch the field. They opened up the season trying to throw it 35-40 times a game until Wentz showed he couldn't get it done. They only reverted to pounding the ball once the Wentz experiment failed.

Instead of admitting they failed yet again at finding a QB and that's why the offense was run heavy, Ron tried to make it sound like that was the plan all along. It wasn't.[/QUOTE]


Exactly.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1336036]Bringing AR in here would be a terrible idea. He is past his prime. Can't even beat the Lions at home with everything on the line. He isn't the player he once was. He was just throwing the ball up for grabs cause the Lions were putting heat on him. He doesn't want to get hit anymore.

[B]I can get 3,600 and 26 td's out of Howell[/B]. Sure I may have to deal with some young QB mistakes but so be it. I want a QB to build around, not a guy who's a diva and is thinking about retirement after every season.

Also AR is not coming here under any circumstances. He'd retire before he came here.[/quote]

Those are top 10 statistics. You feel that confident he will be that? I think he is some one that you can build around but not sure I'd expect that output.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=punch it in;1335999]I really think Ron needs a guy that he can just leave alone so he can concentrate on whatever the hell it is he does. Still not sure what that is but keep my quarterback and my offense out yo mouth![/quote]

Punch, what do you think about John Morton? He's the "Senior Offensive Assistant" in Detroit. Before that he held the same position with the Raiders from 2019-2021. Pretty impressive years for Carr and Goff during his tenure at those places. As an offensive coach, he's worked under Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, and Jon Gruden.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

I’d watch Mike Shula for OC. Don’t feel one way or the other, just experienced and there is a connection with Ron.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1336071]Those are top 10 statistics. You feel that confident he will be that? I think he is some one that you can build around but not sure I'd expect that output.[/quote]

In 17 games w/ our pass catchers? I don't see why those numbers can't be reached. That's like an average of 210 yards.

Howell only got one game, give him a full offseason and a ton of work in pre season. He has to have competition but he deserves a shot- otherwise why'd they draft him?

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

bill obrien from alabama

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@MikeGarafolo

The #Commanders reached out to former #Colts and #Lions head coach Jim Caldwell about their vacant OC job, sources tell me and @RapSheet, but he told them he’s only pursuing head-coaching opportunities. He’s interviewed for two this cycle.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

LOL What did he do as a HC?? No thanks

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1336099]Punch, what do you think about John Morton? He's the "Senior Offensive Assistant" in Detroit. Before that he held the same position with the Raiders from 2019-2021. Pretty impressive years for Carr and Goff during his tenure at those places. As an offensive coach, he's worked under Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, and Jon Gruden.[/QUOTE]


Know nothing about him other than what i just looked up. Also fired from the Jets and sort of underwhelmed at USC but yeah his recent success with quarterbacks especially Goff is impressive. Has a ton of experience. More ups than downs. I wouldn’t be mad at that hire.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1336172]@MikeGarafolo

The #Commanders reached out to former #Colts and #Lions head coach Jim Caldwell about their vacant OC job, sources tell me and @RapSheet, but he told them he’s only pursuing head-coaching opportunities. He’s interviewed for two this cycle.[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1336190][IMG]https://media.tenor.com/1yysPODJ23IAAAAd/wow-really.gif[/IMG][/quote]

I seriously don't understand why they fired ST.

Why bother?? Until we are sold no one is going to look at Washington as a meaningful landing spot, there is too much up in the air.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

He had no choice. The defense was top 10, and the offense was bottom 10. Not to mention the players were vocal about the fact that the talent is there, but the game planning and play calling are not.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1336217]He had no choice. The defense was top 10, and the offense was bottom 10. Not to mention the players were vocal about the fact that the talent is there, but the game planning and play calling are not.[/quote]

its all lipstick on a pig, RR is still here just because we have not sold the team

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Probably true.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1336221]Probably true.[/quote]

i get your thinking, but until the sale goes through everything is moot.

Just like i said before its like going to open houses with your wife but then realizing halfway through the tour oh wait we are getting a divorce seems silly to buy a house.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Turner wasn't onboard with Wentz trade, can't say I blame him

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-commanders-oc-scott-turner-035409006.html[/url]

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1336502]Turner wasn't onboard with Wentz trade, can't say I blame him

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-commanders-oc-scott-turner-035409006.html[/url][/quote]

Oof. Imagine not being onboard with the plan, and then getting fired. He probably feels scapegoated.

Scott isn't here anymore because it wasn't just his inability to get the qb going - he couldn't get the offense going either.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=mooby;1336508]Oof. Imagine not being onboard with the plan, and then getting fired. He probably feels scapegoated.

Scott isn't here anymore because [B]it wasn't just his inability to get the qb going - he couldn't get the offense going either.[/B][/quote]

They kind of go hand and hand

That be like saying Scott not only couldn't the engine started but he couldn't make the car go forward either.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

If that's true, then I wonder who Turner would have started as QB1.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Doesn't matter.
Turner never adjusted the game plan to compensate for the piss poor performance of the Oline. Obvious passing downs were disastrous for all 3 QBs because the line couldn't slow a 4 man rush.

If your line is shit, you need to be a run heavy team and get the play action going.
Turner called maybe 4 good games.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

In fairness to Scott, he never had a good QB here and it's not easy to put up 20 plus points a week with a QB2.. He tried to do some creative motion plays butwhen your QB is so limited it makes it tough. At teh end of the day they can interview anyone they want but nothing matters until Howell proves hes legit or we get a QB1

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Give Turner a decent QB, an O-line that can block for him, and the experience he gained as the OC here - and I think he could end up being a good OC. I don't think he was terrible, and he was not exactly dealt a great hand here. He definitely made what I thought were some dumb play calls at times, but as some experts have also indicated, he did scheme guys open a lot. It was a mixed bag, and ultimately I agree that he had to go, but he was new at it and could be successful somewhere else.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1336537]In fairness to Scott, he never had a good QB here and it's not easy to put up 20 plus points a week with a QB2.. He tried to do some creative motion plays butwhen your QB is so limited it makes it tough. At teh end of the day they can interview anyone they want but nothing matters until Howell proves hes legit or we get a QB1[/QUOTE]


I think even when you take into account the lack of a quarterback and a shit o line the dude still constantly tried to fit a square peg into a round hole.
We collectively said it all year, don’t overthink it Scott - run the ball Scott. That 4th down where he ran Samuel into the teeth of the defense was the final nail in his coffin.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[quote=mredskins;1336513]They kind of go hand and hand

That be like saying Scott not only couldn't the engine started but he couldn't make the car go forward either.[/quote]

Ordinarily I'd agree - but Kyle Shanahan is 5-0 with the qb taken dead last in this year's draft.

Coaching plays a part. We all saw how he couldn't scheme to take advantage of a D's weaknesses - or use the run to setup play action. Good coaches adjust to the player's limitations. He couldn't do any of that. The writing was on the wall when 9 players complained how difficult his offense is.