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Emmanuel Forbes

Forbes tied the FBS record for pick-sixes with six throughout his career. Of the corners I’ve seen in the draft, Forbes has the best overall ball skills and is a very difficult player to track down once he secures the football. He was a former wide receiver at Grenada High School, which is obvious when watching his natural ability to pluck the ball out of the air.

A cornerback who knows how to create turnovers is crucial in the NFL, Quarterback’s clocks are accelerated, and Forbes has the athletic ability and length (6-foot-1, 32¼-inch arms with a 79-inch wingspan) to be a nuisance at the catch point in one-on-one situations.



The outlier trait with Forbes is the weight - he’s only 166 pounds, placing him at a zero percentile weight by NFL standards. He’s very thin and a bit high-cut at the waist. However, his ball production in the SEC was very impressive. 14 interceptions and 20 passes defended.

Forbes made an immediate impact on Mississippi State as a freshman in 2020. He played over 700 snaps in three consecutive seasons for the Bulldogs, with a combined 57.6% catch rate. He was a Second-Team All-American in 2022, a Freshman All-SEC selection in 2020, and was Second-Team All-SEC in 2021. He played man and zone coverage for Mississippi State and had good man coverage tape against Alabama’s Jameson Williams in 2021. Here’s my synopsis:

Emmanual Forbes has the most pick sixes in FBS history - wow! Forbes is a ball-hawk with length and coverage versatility. His size at 166 pounds is concerning and is in the zero percentile for weight at the position; still, the 22-year-old offers immense upside for a player who has experience handling many different coverages and techniques at the LOS.

He’s not the strongest in run support or while tackling, but it’s not due to a lack of desire. Forbes is an elite competitor who comported himself well playing against some of the top players in the SEC. I do understand the weight concerns, but the NFL is transitioning to smaller - quicker - types of athletes. Is it still a concern, sure…but it’s not nearly as big of an issue as it would have been ten years ago.

Creating turnovers is the most important part of playing defense, and Forbes was elite in this manner throughout his three seasons at Mississippi State. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Forbes selected in the back end of the first round, despite his outlier weight.

However, I love the upside and the traits displayed by Forbes - it really just comes down to adding weight and strength to his game. I’ll say this though...in terms of coverage, Forbes was stronger than I anticipated for a 166-pound cornerback.

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Watching Todd McShay discussing Levis falling out of the 1st round and he mentioned some teams stating he came off as arrogant. No surprise, as he's publicly said he has a cannon for an arm. Act like a deusche nozzle, get drafted like a deusche nozzle.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1341213]Mel Kiper's hair gel is going to burst on fire because Levis hasn't been picked.

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This is fucking hysterical.

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So if he is there at 47, I still want OL.


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[quote=calia;1341233]So if he is there at 47, I still want OL.


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Looking at the picks ahead , I bet he will be unless ATL grabs him

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I think AR15 was a HUGE Gamble but if he hits the Colts look like the smartest team.. 13 games played and only 17 TDs that's tough

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1341249]Looking at the picks ahead , I bet he will be unless ATL grabs him[/quote]

DET could grab him or NE

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I see reports that D'Andre Swift may be surplus to requirements in Detroit now that Gibbs has arrived. Any takers?

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[quote=nonniey;1341215]The reasons he was a big reach is that there was a consensus steal at the same position. Additionally the consensus had Forbes ranked as the 4-5th ranked CB which means more likely than not he would have been available 10-20 picks lower. IMO that combined with passing on the consensus steal makes it a big reach.

That said reaches can work out and steals can flop but you're not playing the odds well if you are going for the reach.[/quote]

A CB who played in the SEC, its being reported he has bulked up to 180lbs right now. There is no guarantee he would be there 10 picks lower, not to mention its better to go get your guy a few picks earlier than 1 pick too late. Forbes is definitely a 1st round talent. So him being taken mid first round wasnt a reach at all. He is also a ballhawk which we havent had for years.

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[quote=nonniey;1341229]If he does he'd still be tiny.[/quote]

Sounds like you just wanna be negative for the sake of being negative.

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O’cyrus Torrence, Steve Avila, Cody Mauch.

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Today it’s all about landing an Oline piece.

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I would like them to draft Avila. But Schmitz, Torrence or Dawan Jones would be good too.

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[quote=Chico23231;1341261]Today it’s all about landing an Oline piece.[/quote]
There are 3 good OGs (Torrence, Avila and Schmitz) similarly ranked with high 2d round grades. Hopefully one of them will drop. That said if Levis is still there you have to consider him as he has a mid 1st round grade and would be a steal at 47.

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Jalen Ramsey on Twitter

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Nice endorsement. Heard sone negatives about Gonzalez, great athelete with very high ceiling but not a great football player right now, instincts and play diagnosis are a step slow, so somewhat of a low floor. Would explain why he was passed on by a number of CB needy teams before the Commanders picked

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Texans having a boom or bust draft. I thought they gave up too much to move up for Anderson. Stroud looked like the best player in the draft against Georgia, but watching him against Michigan? Idk..

Terrible pick by the Colts. You just can't reach that high for a project QB. Richardson is like a 4th rounder to me. He needed another two years in college.

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Hard to call Levis. Played in a great conference though and he can definitely throw the hell out of it.

Remember Hurts was a 2nd rounder with accuracy issues as well. It’s all about scheme and I think EB could help any young QB


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1341271]Hard to call Levis. Played in a great conference though and he can definitely throw the hell out of it.

Remember Hurts was a 2nd rounder with accuracy issues as well. It’s all about scheme and I think EB could help any young QB


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Difference is there were times where Hurts looked great and he did lead a team to a title game. Levis has never looked like a top pick to me.

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Levis is being humbled which is probably a good thing for him.

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Can you imagine what the naysayers would have said if the internet was around about Pat Fischer or Darrel Green?:argue:

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1341266]I would like them to draft Avila. But Schmitz, Torrence or Dawan Jones would be good too.[/QUOTE]


Yup. Mauch and Bergeron too. Torrence would be my pick out of all of them. I think he is gonna be an absolute beast.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1341282]Can you imagine what the naysayers would have said if the internet was around about Pat Fischer or Darrel Green?:argue:[/quote]

I can see it now

"A 5'8" corner? What is he gonna cover? A fire hydrant?"

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How id like to see the rest of it go.

47.
Steve Avila
OG TCU

97.
Jaelyn Duncan
OT Maryland

118.
Owen Pappoe
LB Auburn

150.
Will Mallory
TE Miami (FL)

193.
YaYa Diaby
EDGE Louisville

215.
Tyson Bagent
QB Shepherd

233.
Chris Rodriguez Jr.
RB Kentucky

Im intrigued by Bagent. Would spend a late round pick on him for sure.

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How I'd Like to see it go
47. Traded to the Rams/Colts/Texans/Bears or etc. for a 2024 1st round pick.

97 Best OL, TE or LB available

118. Best OL, TE or LB available or Trade for 2024 or 2025 picks
V same for the rest.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1341288]How I'd Like to see it go
47. Traded to the Rams/Colts/Texans/Bears or etc. for a 2024 pick.

97 Best OL, TE or LB available

118. Best OL, TE or LB available or Trade for 2024 or 2025 picks
V same for the rest.[/QUOTE]


Can’t trade 47. We need immediate impact on the oline or we might as we will draft a quarterback because Sam will get killed. You are already giving up on 2023. Lol. Totally agree with the needs/ wants at 97 and on. Best available oline te or lb. But im not stockpiling picks for next year and throwing in the towell. We can improve greatly with these picks and if you give Howell half a chance than 2023 isn’t a wash yet.

We got weapons galore, a new OC, and a very good defense. 2023 could be better than seasons usually are.

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[quote=punch it in;1341289]Can’t trade 47. We need immediate impact on the oline or we might as we will draft a quarterback because Sam will get killed. You are already giving up on 2023. Lol. Totally agree with the needs/ wants at 97 and on. Best available oline te or lb. But im not stockpiling picks for next year and throwing in the towell. We can improve greatly with these picks and if you give Howell half a chance than 2023 isn’t a wash yet.

We got weapons galore, a new OC, and a very good defense. 2023 could be better than seasons usually are.[/quote]

And it's your thinking (Which the vast majority of Skins fans and Skins management also have) that has been in place and executed the last 24 years. I want to build a contender and have espoused acquiring future top picks for years (decades now). Do you know which team adapted that plan? The Eagles.

Watch what the Eagles do tonight. I'd put money that they come out of tonight with future picks.

We have to put the all about now attitude in the past if we ever want to see another Lombardi.

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I'd very much like to see us pick either Steve Avila or O'Cyrus Torrance tonight. That would surely mean trading up. Sometimes it is necessary to trade up to get a stud in a position of need rather than holding pat and hoping for something that isn't going to happen.

I also think ILB Demarvion Overshown (Texas) would be a good fit for us. He is a big time playmaker who would give us playmakers at all three levels of the defense. He might last until the 3rd round according to some of those who project such things for a living.

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[quote=nonniey;1341290]And it's your thinking (Which the vast majority of Skins fans and Skins management also have) that has been in place and executed the last 24 years. I want to build a contender and have espoused acquiring future top picks for years (decades now). Do you know which team adapted that plan? The Eagles.

Watch what the Eagles do tonight. I'd put money that they come out of tonight with future picks.

We have to put the all about now attitude in the past if we ever want to see another Lombardi.[/quote]

I'm on punch's side in this debate, primarily because I'm 75 years old and if we do it your way I might never see another Lombardi because I'll no longer be on Earth to see it. Be reasonable; do it my way.

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[quote=nonniey;1341290]And it's your thinking (Which the vast majority of Skins fans and Skins management also have) that has been in place and executed the last 24 years. I want to build a contender and have espoused acquiring future top picks for years (decades now). Do you know which team adapted that plan? The Eagles.

Watch what the Eagles do tonight. I'd put money that they come out of tonight with future picks.

We have to put the all about now attitude in the past if we ever want to see another Lombardi.[/quote]

I have in the past been a strong supporter of this idea and still am in many ways, I fully expected the Eagles to trade down one of their first rounders to continue there successful run of taking high picks. But it is dependent on being able to find a willing partner which our FO never seems capable of. You have to be in the position the take a reduction in draft resources in the first year but the payoff in future years is potentially huge. This year they need to win and would benefit from using the 2nd rounder, so I don't think they will do it, but given that there is limited space on our roster right now it would pay dividends to shift some of our later picks into future years

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There goes Avila to the Rams.

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Fuuuuuck

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1341300]I have in the past been a strong supporter of this idea and still am in many ways, I fully expected the Eagles to trade down one of their first rounders to continue there successful run of taking high picks. But it is dependent on being able to find a willing partner which our FO never seems capable of. You have to be in the position the take a reduction in draft resources in the first year but the payoff in future years is potentially huge. This year they need to win and would benefit from using the 2nd rounder, so I don't think they will do it, but given that there is limited space on our roster right now it would pay dividends to shift some of our later picks into future years[/quote]

Oh, I don't think they will do it either. They just don't think this way (beyond the current season). Maybe, hopefully, that will change with new ownership.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1341290]And it's your thinking (Which the vast majority of Skins fans and Skins management also have) that has been in place and executed the last 24 years. I want to build a contender and have espoused acquiring future top picks for years (decades now). Do you know which team adapted that plan? The Eagles.

Watch what the Eagles do tonight. I'd put money that they come out of tonight with future picks.

We have to put the all about now attitude in the past if we ever want to see another Lombardi.[/QUOTE]


The Eagles were in the Superbowl last year they don’t even need the picks. They hit on a quarterback and have a great GM. There success has nothing to do with what happens tonight. We on the other hand are not remotely the Eagles. We have immediate needs.

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Stop drafting OLineman ASSHOLES!!!!

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With the way lineman are flying off the board and no effort to trade up I wonder if Ron is even targeting the line with the early picks


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I think we will find out they tried to trade up ..

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Trade up for Torrence!

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