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[quote=irish;1343507]I'm not sure why he even needed to bring this up in the first place. He created this mess himself and made it worse by reading that ridiculous prepared statement. That said, because he did saw that, he should have used your answer.

Considering how long RR has been in the NFL its amazing how inept he is with the media.[/quote]

You're right, I am not even sure anybody complained as such, he said concerned, which may have meant they were concerned that at the present pace they would be too fatigued before week 1. But why they are approaching the head coach and not the coordinator is the question, some must think they are more important which is the worrying thing. But once again Ron made something into a big deal that didn't need to be

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[quote=MTK;1343508]Ron loves to hear himself talk that's for sure.[/quote]

Its embarrasing

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[quote=MTK;1343487]I really don’t have a problem with what Ron said, that said he needs to go to the less is more school because he talks in circles and leaves too much up for interpretation.

Just say some players complained, I told them tough shit.

Next question.[/quote]


He should take notes from Bill Belichick.

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[quote=GridIron26;1343465]I'm curious, which part do you think they could have done better beside signing 2 FA OLs and drafted 2 OLs?[/quote]

The 2 responses below your initial one summed it up pretty well. Drafted OL that won't see the field and sub par FA signings. We don't bolster many starter quality OL on this team..... at all until they prove otherwise. IMO we are fucked on the OL and I hope they figure it out quick.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1343512]He should take notes from Bill Belichick.[/quote]

Ron is that boss that holds meetings often just to show you he's in charge.. hes that guy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1343515]Ron is that boss that holds meetings often just to show you he's in charge.. hes that guy[/quote]

Only 20 more games to go in the Ron Rivera era.

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Know what's going to be fucking great?

Good coaches will want to come here now. This will be a destination job next season. We should have our pick of the litter next season if a change is needed.

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[quote=irish;1343519]Only 20 more games to go in the Ron Rivera era.[/quote]

Nice rhyme.

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Kind of strange to think someone could get all the way to the pros without being coached hard somewhere along the way. And from all accounts EB may coach hard, but he also will praise his players when it's deserved. And it's never anything personal.

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Ben and Keim saying improvement in the Oline has been growing slowly over camp. Think it was Standig who said Cosmi has been decent and good at times.

While Im high on CY this season, I swear if a top LT becomes available who wants a new deal and trade would be an option. I’d swipe CY for him…

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JP:

Howell to start Friday

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1343524]JP:



Howell to start Friday[/QUOTE]Not a huge news, but the contrary would have been quite worrying IMHO. So a good news of some sort I guess.

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[quote=Chico23231;1343523]Ben and Keim saying improvement in the Oline has been growing slowly over camp. Think it was Standig who said Cosmi has been decent and good at times.

While Im high on CY this season, I swear if a top LT becomes available who wants a new deal and trade would be an option. I’d swipe CY for him…[/quote]

No way!! Chase will dominate this year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1343530]No way!! Chase will dominate this year.[/quote]

I hope so, but I’ve heard Sweat has been a baller in camp…dream scenario: pay sweat, trade CY and Leno for a young balling LT and sign to a long term deal.

Again I’m dreaming, I just think the team needs some balance

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[quote=Chico23231;1343539]I hope so, but I’ve heard Sweat has been a baller in camp…dream scenario: pay sweat, trade CY and Leno for a young balling LT and sign to a long term deal.

Again I’m dreaming, I just think the team needs some balance[/quote]

I agree there should be balance. I love the idea of having a dominant D-line of course, but it does seem to be at the expense of building stronger position groups elsewhere.

And yes, you're dreaming. No one trades away a young balling LT. You may get one in free agency like O Brown Jr this year though - but you have to be willing to pay up. My guess is financially and with the ownership change, we weren't even in the market for him.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1343540]I agree there should be balance. I love the idea of having a dominant D-line of course, but it does seem to be at the expense of building stronger position groups elsewhere.

And yes, you're dreaming. [B]No one trades away a young balling LT[/B]. You may get one in free agency like O Brown Jr this year though - but you have to be willing to pay up. My guess is financially and with the ownership change, we weren't even in the market for him.[/quote]

We did that....

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I think the thing w/ EB is he has to learn that he can't treat everyone the same. Some guys respond to hard coaching and other don't. So much of coaching these days isn't about X's and O's. Can he manage people a certain way to get the best out of them? Maybe McLaurin and Robinson can take real hard coaching, while maybe Gibson doesn't.

Sure it sounds great that he's no nonsense, these guys need that and what not - but I'd be concerned that his style is outdated. It wears thin on guys quickly and that is perhaps why, or one of the reasons he was constantly being passed over for head jobs.

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[quote=irish;1343519]Only 20 more games to go in the Ron Rivera era.[/quote]

I think if the team gets off to a slow start, or they're eliminated from the playoffs early then it'll be sooner.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1343543]I think the thing w/ EB is he has to learn that he can't treat everyone the same. Some guys respond to hard coaching and other don't. So much of coaching these days isn't about X's and O's. Can he manage people a certain way to get the best out of them? Maybe McLaurin and Robinson can take real hard coaching, while maybe Gibson doesn't.

Sure it sounds great that he's no nonsense, these guys need that and what not - but I'd be concerned that his style is outdated. It wears thin on guys quickly and that is perhaps why, or one of the reasons he was constantly being passed over for head jobs.[/quote]

From what Keim has said, Gibson has been praising EB and feels he's in the best shape of his life due to the intensity of practice.

While I agree with some that Ron probably stuck his foot in his mouth, but then again this was very likely to go out into the media. IMO it is a damn if you do/damn if you don't situation.

That said, my biggest issue is that there are players that are complaining, yet these m'fers haven't done squat on offense and I don't mind EB's approach.

As Keim has said, EB is intense in both negative and positive praise of players. I'm fine with him working their assess off, they need to shape up and produce.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1343543]I think the thing w/ EB is he has to learn that he can't treat everyone the same. Some guys respond to hard coaching and other don't. So much of coaching these days isn't about X's and O's. Can he manage people a certain way to get the best out of them? Maybe McLaurin and Robinson can take real hard coaching, while maybe Gibson doesn't.

Sure it sounds great that he's no nonsense, these guys need that and what not - but I'd be concerned that [B]his style is outdated[/B]. [B]It wears thin on guys quickly and that is perhaps why, or one of the reasons he was constantly being passed over for head jobs.[/quote][/B]

I think that's why he left or was "told" to leave KC. If he was such a hot commodity why in the world would he come here when he knows RR and the coaching staff will likely be gone (new owners or not). IMO he came here because he had nowhere else to land.

I hope his offense lights things up here but if this team doesn't win again this year The new owners will send RR and all the coaches (including EB) packing.

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[quote=GridIron26;1343541]We did that....[/quote]

TW was an "older" balling LT :)...probably the best LT at the time of the trade though. But he was not going to play for Washington anymore, so it wasn't like there was a choice to retain him, thanks to BA and Company.

Maybe I should have said teams don't [I]willingly[/I] trade those guys.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1343543]I think the thing w/ EB is he has to learn that he can't treat everyone the same. Some guys respond to hard coaching and other don't. So much of coaching these days isn't about X's and O's. Can he manage people a certain way to get the best out of them? Maybe McLaurin and Robinson can take real hard coaching, while maybe Gibson doesn't.

Sure it sounds great that he's no nonsense, these guys need that and what not - but I'd be concerned that his style is outdated. It wears thin on guys quickly and that is perhaps why, or one of the reasons he was constantly being passed over for head jobs.[/quote]

IMO, this is why he has not gotten a chance at a head coaching job. Like it or not, some really good players to do respond well to extremely hard coaching. And alienating that group of players really shrinks the talent pool.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1343543]I think the thing w/ EB is he has to learn that he can't treat everyone the same. Some guys respond to hard coaching and other don't. So much of coaching these days isn't about X's and O's. Can he manage people a certain way to get the best out of them? Maybe McLaurin and Robinson can take real hard coaching, while maybe Gibson doesn't.

Sure it sounds great that he's no nonsense, these guys need that and what not - but I'd be concerned that his style is outdated. It wears thin on guys quickly and that is perhaps why, or one of the reasons he was constantly being passed over for head jobs.[/quote]

Actually, I think he'd be better off treating the players the same rather than treating players differently. Treating some players differently for the same mistakes is where he will have a lot more issues, in my opinion. Curtis Samuel said it best: "When you have a coach that's being tough and hard on you, it's because he wants the best out of you." Once the softies realize that, it will be fine...and if they can't get on board with that, I'd rather they play for a different team.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1343548]TW was an "older" balling LT :)...probably the best LT at the time of the trade though. But he was not going to play for Washington anymore, so it wasn't like there was a choice to retain him, thanks to BA and Company.

Maybe I should have said teams don't [I]willingly[/I] trade those guys.[/quote]


Lol yeah I was just being sarcastic

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1343550]Actually, I think he'd be better off treating the players the same rather than treating players differently. Treating some players differently for the same mistakes is where he will have a lot more issues, in my opinion. Curtis Samuel said it best: "When you have a coach that's being tough and hard on you, it's because he wants the best out of you." Once the softies realize that, it will be fine...and if they can't get on board with that, I'd rather they play for a different team.[/quote]

Agreed. Also I love Dotson's response below, from Keim's article. I laughed when I read the last sentence. Spoke like a true professional player.

"You've got to look at it for a bigger purpose. He's coaching you hard because he believes in you. He wants you to succeed. You've got to realize that even when he's getting on you about something you did wrong, he wants to make sure you get it right so on Sundays you don't make a fool of yourself."

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Honestly, it seems like this whole "EB is too intense" story is overblown. I admit I may not have seen it, but even if players went to Rivera and expressed that sentiment, we don't know how many, how much of a concern they expressed, whether they were team leaders purporting to speak on anyone else's behalf, or much else about this. Or at least, I haven't seen anything about that. For all we know it was a couple of middling players that EB singled out for underwhelming effort, which is hardly a mutiny. Moreover, any number of quotes from players -- like the Dotson and Samuel quotes above -- suggest that this is much ado about nothing.

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[QUOTE=calia;1343554]Honestly, it seems like this whole "EB is too intense" story is overblown. I admit I may not have seen it, but even if players went to Rivera and expressed that sentiment, we don't know how many, how much of a concern they expressed, whether they were team leaders purporting to speak on anyone else's behalf, or much else about this. Or at least, I haven't seen anything about that. For all we know it was a couple of middling players that EB singled out for underwhelming effort, which is hardly a mutiny. Moreover, any number of quotes from players -- like the Dotson and Samuel quotes above -- suggest that this is much ado about nothing.[/QUOTE]It is overblown. This fanbase and the media are so used to the f*ckery that would come out of this team that I feel that they're going to overreact to everything now.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1343557]It is overblown. This fanbase and the media are so used to the f*ckery that would come out of this team that I feel that they're going to overreact to everything now.

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Thank god we have football today…

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[quote=Ruhskins;1343545]From what Keim has said, Gibson has been praising EB and feels he's in the best shape of his life due to the intensity of practice.

While I agree with some that Ron probably stuck his foot in his mouth, but then again this was very likely to go out into the media. IMO it is a damn if you do/damn if you don't situation.

That said, my biggest issue is that there are players that are complaining, yet these m'fers haven't done squat on offense and I don't mind EB's approach.

As Keim has said, EB is intense in both negative and positive praise of players. I'm fine with him working their assess off, they need to shape up and produce.[/quote]

Yeah I heard AG said that and I was just using him as an example. Also like that they are putting him in as the 3rd down back. This is his best position I feel. I expect AG to have a great year in this role.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1343550]Actually, I think he'd be better off treating the players the same rather than treating players differently. Treating some players differently for the same mistakes is where he will have a lot more issues, in my opinion. Curtis Samuel said it best: "When you have a coach that's being tough and hard on you, it's because he wants the best out of you." Once the softies realize that, it will be fine...and if they can't get on board with that, I'd rather they play for a different team.[/quote]

We'll see, I really want it to work w/ him here. He's got a young QB and needs to have some patience because there are going to be some bumps along the way w/ Howell.

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As was said about Vince Lombardi by his players “Yeah, coach is great. He treats us all the same. He treats us like dogs.”


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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1343557]It is overblown. This fanbase and the media are so used to the f*ckery that would come out of this team that I feel that they're going to overreact to everything now.

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Yup - the default is “WTF is happening in DC?” Because for 24 years….


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Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes Defends Eric Bieniemy After Ron Rivera's Intensity Comment

[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10085849-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-defends-eric-bieniemy-after-ron-riveras-intensity-comment[/url]

Mahomes told reporters. "He's going to hold you accountable whenever you don't even want to hold yourself accountable. And it made me a better player."

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Ron Rivera fucking sucks. There's the door you bitch.

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Love this, soon all you Howell doubters will be jumping on the band wagon:

On Tuesday, Howell impressed during the 11-on-11 portion of practice, which is the most important. He kept the Ravens off-balanced by quick and decisive. Washington’s goal in 2023 will be to get the ball into the hands of playmakers such as Terry McLaurin, Jahan Dotson, Antonio Gibson, Curtis Samuel and Dyami Brown, with the occasional deep ball.

[B]It was more of the same from Howell on Wednesday. Huge two days for him. Some were looking for him to fail[/B], and he didn’t. Outside of one 11-on-11 period Wednesday, it was more solid work from Howell and the offense.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/takeaways-commanders-ravens-joint-practice-000816390.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1343683]Love this, soon all you Howell doubters will be jumping on the band wagon:



On Tuesday, Howell impressed during the 11-on-11 portion of practice, which is the most important. He kept the Ravens off-balanced by quick and decisive. Washington’s goal in 2023 will be to get the ball into the hands of playmakers such as Terry McLaurin, Jahan Dotson, Antonio Gibson, Curtis Samuel and Dyami Brown, with the occasional deep ball.



[B]It was more of the same from Howell on Wednesday. Huge two days for him. Some were looking for him to fail[/B], and he didn’t. Outside of one 11-on-11 period Wednesday, it was more solid work from Howell and the offense.



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/takeaways-commanders-ravens-joint-practice-000816390.html[/url][/QUOTE]Howell looked good in that first pre-season game. Hope we see some progress this week, but with the weapons he has around him, if the Oline can block decently, he just needs to made good decisions in order for this offense to be a quite efficient one.

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Wish I had half the confidence in our o line as I do in Howell.

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The best unit on this team isn’t the D Line, but the secondary

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I'm totally convinced that Sam Howell has what it takes to lead this team. At the very least, we're going to be a tough out this season.