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obama really can reach accross party lines, can't he. a big middle finger to obama, the 219 house dems and the lone house rep. for cramming this bullsh*t down america's throat. obamas answer to everything is "let the government run it".

cant reach across party lines if everyone says the other side is full of crap. its all about extending ones political career. not for doing the right thing for the people

Just like the energy policy we will be paying more. How is this good for America?

Pretty simple: The house bill = Increased cost in taxes & premiums for all, decreased quality of care for the vast vast majority to increase care for some.

Does nothing to address the heart of the issue - the natural anti-market forces (see Schneed's earlier posts on duplication of services) created by the health care market; medical malpractice costs driven by a small minority of bad physicians and refusal of physicians to punish other physicians; the regulatory costs of pharmaceutical R&D as opposed to production; and physician shortages.

It will take a few years for the full effects of this to be felt - Probably sometime around the mid 2010's, and it will be the next president that will have to deal with ungodly mess. As to costs, my guess is that premiums will increase by at least 50% over the next 5-6 years, medicare taxes to be doubled, and the floor on the wealth surcharge will be substantially lowered. As to quality of care, longer waiting times for care and decreased quality of service (can't make an appt. on time, TS - "we're to busy, you will have to reschedule for six weeks from now", etc.). All the problems that exist now in healthcare provision but greatly expanded - but, yes, a small minority will get healthcare that need it but do not have it now.

Essentially, Obama care takes the existing system - with all its market inefficiencies - xpands it and, in turn, expands the inefficiencies. Rather than addressing and reforming the root causes of ever expanding healthcare costs as part of plan to create a comprehensive healthcare coverage, Obama care simply creates a mandatory expansion of the existing flawed system by adding a government insurer to expensively operate as an insurer of last resort.

Bad legislation created by hyperbole and scare tactics (on both sides of the aisle) that wasted an opportunity for [I]real [/I]healthcare reform. Horrible leadership all the way around.

[quote=dmek25;621537]cant reach across party lines if everyone says the other side is full of crap. its all about extending ones political career. not for doing the right thing for the people[/quote]
Ummm, if you look at any poll most Americans are against goverment run Health Care. I'm guess if passed this bill will coat me about $1 per page per year in either new taxes or inceased HC cost. I'll also bet that before it ever goes into effect the cost projections will increase to almost double. I sad part is none of these guys have even read to over 2000 pages in this bill and if they say they did I say they lie.

[quote=firstdown;621563]Ummm, if you look at any poll most Americans are against goverment run Health Care. I'm guess if passed this bill will coat me about $1 per page per year in either new taxes or inceased HC cost. I'll also bet that before it ever goes into effect the cost projections will increase to almost double. I sad part is none of these guys have even read to over 2000 pages in this bill and if they say they did I say they lie.[/quote]

Care to site those polls?

[quote=dmek25;621527]step one passes. on the way to better care for all[/quote]
How can people look at all the failing goverment programs and think that the most complicated one passed will some how get it right. Heck, all they had to do with SS was to cllect the money put it away and when you reach 65 then start paying it back and they Fucked that up to the tune that its going broke. The only good that will come from this bill is that all the libs will have to also live with this poor bill passed by a President that when history looks back will be worse then Bush 2.

[quote=firstdown;621563]Ummm, are against goverme[B]if you look at any poll most Americans[/B] [B]nt run Health Care[/B]. I'm guess if passed this bill will coat me about $1 per page per year in either new taxes or inceased HC cost. I'll also bet that before it ever goes into effect the cost projections will increase to almost double. I sad part is none of these guys have even read to over 2000 pages in this bill and if they say they did I say they lie.[/quote]
all the people i know are for this. any links?( other then one from fox)

[quote=dmek25;621527]step one passes. on the way to better care for all[/quote]

Better care for all?? Lol.

[quote=firstdown;621567]How can people look at all the failing goverment programs and think that the most complicated one passed will some how get it right. Heck, all they had to do with SS was to cllect the money put it away and when you reach 65 then start paying it back and they Fucked that up to the tune that its going broke. The only good that will come from this bill is that all the libs will have to also live with this poor bill passed by a President that when history looks back will be worse then Bush 2.[/quote]
check your history. the GOP was also against medicare. that runs fine. what about the post office? i can mail a letter from Pa., and have in Cal. 3 days later for .50. sounds like a pretty good deal to me. does SS still pay out? last time i checked, it still works. what Gov't programs don't work? other then the no child left behind?

Hey I wonder if drinking will now be a pre-existing condition?

[quote=firstdown;621567]How can people look at all the failing goverment programs and think that the most complicated one passed will some how get it right. Heck, all they had to do with SS was to cllect the money put it away and when you reach 65 then start paying it back and they Fucked that up to the tune that its going broke. The only good that will come from this bill is that all the libs will have to also live with this poor bill passed by a President that when history looks back [B]will be worse then[/B] [B]Bush 2[/B].[/quote]
he has a long way to go before he catches up with that 8 year train wreck

Overall, given what you know about them, do you support or oppose the proposed changes
to the health care system being developed by Congress and the Obama Administration?
51% Favor, 49% Oppose (chart)

Do you favor or oppose having a "public option" which would allow individuals to purchase
health insurance coverage from the government?
45% Favor, 31% Oppose
taken from pollster.com

What Firstdown alludes to is basically correct.
IF the Fed could be counted on to run....a program lean, mean and efficient, many more would be on the band wagon. The performance of our Govt has become comical in such situations.
The waste and ClusterF...kism will undoubtedly be cataclysmic, yet cloaked in cleverly and luxuriously Spin Doctored success.
Our elected representatives have long since ceased to represent us by repeatedly failing to choose what is in the best interest of the American people.
**What is promised by the Fed is rarely what is recieved........

[quote=dmek25;621572]check your history. the GOP was also against medicare. that runs fine. what about the post office? i can mail a letter from Pa., and have in Cal. 3 days later for .50. sounds like a pretty good deal to me. does SS still pay out? last time i checked, it still works. what Gov't programs don't work? other then the no child left behind?[/quote]

Medicare runs fine? lol

Your credibility has now taken two stiff shots to the jaw and is on the ropes.