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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1222960]Any liberal notice how every word out of the mouth of AOC is broadcast everywhere on liberal media sites? Why is that? She seems to have taken over for Maxine Waters for spewing nonsense and garbage, that gets covered front and center. Trump is a pathetic joke, but he still looks like a Mensa candidate compared to those two.[/quote]

So don't watch those sites, unfortunately the same can't be said for Trumps stupidity ,............he broadcast his own ignorant stupidity to the World.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1222960]Any liberal notice how every word out of the mouth of AOC is broadcast everywhere on liberal media sites? Why is that? She seems to have taken over for Maxine Waters for spewing nonsense and garbage, that gets covered front and center. Trump is a pathetic joke, but he still looks like a Mensa candidate compared to those two.[/quote]

ummm the other day a in a one hour segment fox used her name 38 times. pretty sure they arent a liberal media site. just saying

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[quote=dmek25;1222981]ummm the other day a in a one hour segment fox used her name 38 times. pretty sure they arent a liberal media site. just saying[/quote]

I probably should rephrase what I said. Fox broadcasts her sound bites then makes negative comments. Liberal sites broadcasts her spewing like it is something worth listening to.

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[quote=Giantone;1222972]So don't watch those sites, unfortunately the same can't be said for Trumps stupidity ,............he broadcast his own ignorant stupidity to the World.[/quote]

I go to sites like MSN for weather and my e-mail and AOC seems to make daily headlines there. Why has the left made her a hero? I don't listen to Trump either, can't stand him. I have pretty much tried to ignore the last two presidents. The divisiveness seems to just get worse, Obama was terrible with his bad mouthing Republicans 24-7, but Trump has taken it to a new level.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1222990]I go to sites like MSN for weather and my e-mail and AOC seems to make daily headlines there. Why has the left made her a hero? I don't listen to Trump either, can't stand him. I have pretty much tried to ignore the last two presidents. The divisiveness seems to just get worse, Obama was terrible with his bad mouthing Republicans 24-7, but Trump has taken it to a new level.[/quote]

Why does the right react to everything she says? Seems like they're the ones propping her up.

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No doubt she has been propped up from day 1 from the mainstream media because she fits the intersectional mold with the identity political spectrum...young, female and minority. Being a socialist is secondary but obviously most important.

All you need to do is just the facts...magazine covers, media airtime, media mentions, etc. the mainstream media has propped her clearly.

Style over substance always. Green deal and it’s rollout was sloppy as well as humorous to the point it’s become a punchline. I wrote more coherent papers in college. World end in 12 years y’all.

She gave us the gift of “morally right is more important than factually correct.” Simply think of that for a couple minutes.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223000]




She gave us the gift of “morally right is more important than factually correct.” Simply think of that for a couple minutes.[/quote]

Is that any like Kellyanne Conway's "[B]ALTERNATIVE FACTS"?[/B]

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[quote=MTK;1222994]Why does the right react to everything she says? Seems like they're the ones propping her up.[/quote]


Because the two things republicans hate the most are women and brown people. She hits the daily double!


Before AOC, Kamala Harris was in the crosshairs of the white propaganda machine that is fox news.


[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-fox-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-news-twitter-a8868036.html[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1223004]Is that any like Kellyanne Conway's "[B]ALTERNATIVE FACTS"?[/B][/quote]

No because morality basis isn’t included in her response.

Aoc is claiming the means behind to her ends doesn’t need to be based on facts because of some inherently subjective moral definition that in her mind includes somethings like the world ending in 12 years and so on.

Also, AOC use of victimhood and oppression is completely false. She is a 29 year old bartender who was voted into congress....folks, in what other country? That’s exactly why this country is by far...not close,
ever....the greatest in the world.

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[quote=jamf;1223006]Because the two things republicans hate the most are women and brown people. She hits the daily double!


Before AOC, Kamala Harris was in the crosshairs of the white propaganda machine that is fox news.


[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-fox-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-news-twitter-a8868036.html[/url][/quote]

If I had a dollar for every time a Democrat played the race card I would be richer than Bill Gates and Trump combined.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223009]No because morality basis isn’t included in her response.

Aoc is claiming the means behind to her ends doesn’t need to be based on facts because of some inherently subjective moral definition that in her mind includes somethings like the world ending in 12 years and so on.

Also, AOC use of victimhood and oppression is completely false. She is a 29 year old bartender who was voted into congress....folks, in what other country? That’s exactly why this country is by far...not close,
ever....the greatest in the world.[/quote]


........and trump is a 70 something real estate huckster that stiffs his contractors and harasses women and cheats and lies about his taxes.So what's your point ?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223018]If I had a dollar for every time a Democrat played the race card I would be richer than Bill Gates and Trump combined.[/quote]

If I had a dollar for every time a republican denied race was an issue(when it was) I could take Bill Gates to dinner, for years and years.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223009]No because morality basis isn’t included in her response.

Aoc is claiming the means behind to her ends doesn’t need to be based on facts because of some inherently subjective moral definition that in her mind includes somethings like the world ending in 12 years and so on.

Also, AOC use of victimhood and oppression is completely false. She is a 29 year old bartender who was voted into congress....folks, in what other country? That’s exactly why this country is by far...not close,
ever....the greatest in the world.[/quote]
Chico your bias is showing..................again.

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G1...What do you take for your TDS?

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[quote=Chico23231;1223065]G1...What do you take for your TDS?[/quote]

Clearly nothing.

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[quote=Giantone;1223049]If I had a dollar for every time a republican denied race was an issue(when it was) I could take Bill Gates to dinner, for years and years.[/quote]

[IMG]http://politicalmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/548250_446380228739629_197096504_n.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Giantone;1223049]If I had a dollar for every time a republican denied race was an issue(when it was) I could take Bill Gates to dinner, for years and years.[/quote]

What Buffalo responded to was that all Republicans hate brown people and women.

Thats not having a conversation about race, its about a blanket stereotype of approximately half the country, while implying that Democrats are so compassionate and are saviors for anyone that isn't a white male. What have Democrats done to lift poor people out of poverty? Not a fucking thing. Because we still have way too many people living in poverty in the same cities Democrats have been claiming to help for the last 60/70 years, when Democrats constantly voted against civil rights until racist as fuck Lyndon Johnson decided it was easier to just pretend that Democrats were now Republicans and now magically actual Republicans were the racist party.

You don't want to have a real conversation about race or how to help people that are living in poverty, regardless of race. You want to pat yourself on the back.

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[url]https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-racial-insults-republicans-20180818-story.html[/url]


Republicans don't want a real conversation about poverty they would look like fools,you ask what have Democrats done and I ask what have republicans
blocked" that would help poverty stricken people ? No , they ignore their racist president..................

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[quote=Giantone;1223049]If I had a dollar for every time a republican denied race was an issue(when it was) I could take Bill Gates to dinner, for years and years.[/quote]

I am not claiming racism doesn't exist in this country, but it sure isn't running as rampant as Democrats claim. I have been around a lot of people and am in my late 50's. I can honestly say I have witnessed obvious racism once. On the other hand back decades ago when I worked in a couple large manufacturing companies I constantly heard people complain they weren't getting raises or promotions because management discriminated because they didn't like minorities. I could not believe these people would say that, especially since we had managers from every race you could think of. It was a case of them having an over inflated opinion of themselves.

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How about Jessie Smollet? We all know he got a pass because of the color of his skin and being gay. If a heterosexual white male staged being attacked by a group of black guys yelling "Screw Whitey" that guy would had the book thrown at him. It seems there are lots of claims of racists acts that prove to be false, yet the people making the false claims go unpunished.

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I know racism exist but I find it mind boggling that people don't think it's "rampant".Listen to trump he racist every day! Watch the people getting killed by Police in this country and I defend Police but seriously WTF? Look up the videos of people calling the police on a black person at their pool or in there apartment building,trump has unleashed it and made alright for people to be racist.


This is sad............


[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/12/20/black-people-doing-normal-things-who-had-police-called-them-2018/2374750002/[/url]

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223075]How about Jessie Smollet? We all know he got a pass because of the color of his skin and being gay. If a heterosexual white male staged being attacked by a group of black guys yelling "Screw Whitey" that guy would had the book thrown at him. It seems there are lots of claims of racists acts that prove to be false, yet the people making the false claims go unpunished.[/quote]

You think this is over? People are being punished over this.

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jamf with one comment...it goes sideways. the subject is just as exhausting as it is false.

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[quote=Giantone;1223076]I know racism exist but I find it mind boggling that people don't think it's "rampant".Listen to trump he racist every day! Watch the people getting killed by Police in this country and I defend Police but seriously WTF? Look up the videos of people calling the police on a black person at their pool or in there apartment building,trump has unleashed it and made alright for people to be racist.


This is sad............


[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/12/20/black-people-doing-normal-things-who-had-police-called-them-2018/2374750002/[/url][/quote]

Knowing how biased the news is these days and is my nature I rely a lot on my personal experience. The county I live in is without splitting hairs 1/3 black 2/3 white. It seems we all get along just fine and treat each other with respect. Maybe that is just us country folks.

I should just say in Beaverdam and the surrounding areas I see us white folks getting along well with our black neighbors, so maybe out in the country is the place to be.

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Trump vs Biden is not gonna be that entertaining, but its probably gonna happen. Bernie aint gonna get it, because he's such a loon and his ideas are crazy.

Biden didn't look good either in his kick-off, he's slurring his words and thoughts...not good.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223075]How about Jessie Smollet? We all know he got a pass because of the color of his skin and being gay. If a heterosexual white male staged being attacked by a group of black guys yelling "Screw Whitey" that guy would had the book thrown at him. It seems there are lots of claims of racists acts that prove to be false, yet the people making the false claims go unpunished.[/quote]

No, he got a pass because he had connections and he used that. I say this as someone who leans liberal, fuck that DA. She "recused" herself at the start but never actually followed through on it like is normally done. I don't blame all the cops that came out and said they don't trust her because of what she did. She deserves to be booted from the job.

It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you sit on, if you do some dumb shit like Smollett did you deserve the punishment that comes with it too. All that over trying to make more money.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223078]jamf with one comment...it goes sideways. the subject is just as exhausting as it is false.[/quote]

Ha! Says the guy who said DeSantis wasn't racist!

Nothing triggers a Republican like Obama, Kamala, AOC, and Hillary. You know it's bullshit to say otherwise.

Hell, even Fox News was nice to Crazy Uncle Bernie!


Republican Politicians still sounding the racism dog whistle every time they need a vote. No point denying it anymore.

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[quote=jamf;1223277]Ha! Says the guy who said DeSantis wasn't racist!

Nothing triggers a Republican like Obama, Kamala, AOC, and Hillary. You know it's bullshit to say otherwise.

Hell, even Fox News was nice to Crazy Uncle Bernie!


Republican Politicians still sounding the racism dog whistle every time they need a vote. No point denying it anymore.[/quote]

Descantis? Dog whistles? I don’t know about that...nice to Bernie? I don’t think that is accurate either. Seems like your wrapped up into identity politics...where certain people can’t criticize others without being called a racist, sexist, homophobe, etc.

The four you mention, I could list actual policies and positions I disagree with....and maybe a couple I agree with. I think to paint a broad stroke to list conservatives and libertarians as simply racists is weak and a proven false narrative.

I will say this, Hillary is probably the most attack/criticized Democratic of my lifetime but she’s been at the forefront of the Party since the early nineties.

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[quote=jamf;1223277]Ha! Says the guy who said DeSantis wasn't racist!

[B]Nothing triggers a Republican like Obama, Kamala, AOC, and Hillary. You know it's bullshit to say otherwise. [/B]

Hell, even Fox News was nice to Crazy Uncle Bernie!


Republican Politicians still sounding the racism dog whistle every time they need a vote. No point denying it anymore.[/quote]

It is also BS to not admit the left over hypes women and minorities. I have seen polls where Obama was rated a better president than Kennedy and Clinton. If that isn't worth a laugh I don't know what is.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223344]It is also BS to not admit the left over hypes women and minorities. I have seen polls where Obama was rated a better president than Kennedy and Clinton. If that isn't worth a laugh I don't know what is.[/quote]

No President has been as"over hyped / blown" as Ronald Reagan .


We will never know sadly just how great JFK would have been but I definitely think Obama was better than Clinton.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223344]It is also BS to not admit the left over hypes women and minorities. I have seen polls where Obama was rated a better president than Kennedy and Clinton. If that isn't worth a laugh I don't know what is.[/quote]

I made a poll too guys!

1. Obama
2. Jesus
3. Gandhi
4. God
5. everyone else
6. Rosie O' Donnell's butthole
7. Trump

The problem with nonsense is you read 1-5 people's opinion and project it onto everybody with similar ideology.

I literally try to coexist and find common ground to stand on with you guys but ya'll never want to give up an inch. It's your way or the highway.

It's why I post less and less in here. Ain't nobody learning shit, ain't nobody interested in coexisting or learning different perspectives. It's just shit talking about how the other side is worthless dumb fucks dragging us down.

Well congratu-fucking-lations assholes, while we all sit here and fight with our own countrymen our enemies worldwide toast how stupid we are.

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[quote=mooby;1223388]I made a poll too guys!

1. Obama
2. Jesus
3. Gandhi
4. God
5. everyone else
6. Rosie O' Donnell's butthole
7. Trump

[B]The problem with nonsense is you read 1-5 people's opinion and project it onto everybody with similar ideology. [/B]

I literally try to coexist and find common ground to stand on with you guys but ya'll never want to give up an inch. It's your way or the highway.

It's why I post less and less in here. Ain't nobody learning shit, ain't nobody interested in coexisting or learning different perspectives. It's just shit talking about how the other side is worthless dumb fucks dragging us down.

Well congratu-fucking-lations assholes, while we all sit here and fight with our own countrymen our enemies worldwide toast how stupid we are.[/quote]

I don't know if I could find it but the poll I mentioned was linked on a website I no longer visit. It was done by a group of presidential scholars from IVY league schools. It wasn't an exit poll taken in front of a McDonalds.

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[quote=Giantone;1223387[B]]No President has been as"over hyped / blown" as Ronald Reagan .[/B]


We will never know sadly just how great JFK would have been but I definitely think Obama was better than Clinton.[/quote]

Why do democrats always deflect? How does Reagan relate to the left over hyping minorities and women. He is one person, not a huge group. Reagan was the first president I could vote for. I think a huge amount of his legacy was who he followed, the spineless Jimmy Carter, Ford, then Nixon. Carter boycotting the Olympics was about as pathetic as it gets.

As for Obama he has to be the most divisive president in my life time. He was the king of the negative campaigners. Everyday in office he was constantly bad mouthing republicans, businesses, and the wealthy. I thought his "You didn't build that" comment toward business owners was about as pathetic as it gets. I have followed politics since 1968, Obama edged out Carter as the worst president in my lifetime. Trump will probably beat out Obama for that honor soon.

I will probably be voting for Will Seemore again if I have to pick between Trump, Bernie or Biden. Last election could have been the first time I voted for a Democrat for president, but you could not get me to vote for Hillary Clinton with a gun to my head.

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[quote=mooby;1223388]I made a poll too guys!

1. Obama
2. Jesus
3. Gandhi
4. God
5. everyone else
6. Rosie O' Donnell's butthole
7. Trump

The problem with nonsense is you read 1-5 people's opinion and project it onto everybody with similar ideology.

[B]I literally try to coexist and find common ground to stand on with you guys but ya'll never want to give up an inch. It's your way or the highway. [/B]

It's why I post less and less in here. Ain't nobody learning shit, ain't nobody interested in coexisting or learning different perspectives. It's just shit talking about how the other side is worthless dumb fucks dragging us down.

Well congratu-fucking-lations assholes, while we all sit here and fight with our own countrymen our enemies worldwide toast how stupid we are.[/quote]

This has gotten much worse and it sucks. Lets explore why:

1. The parties are being controlled by the extreme elements on both sides. You have Trump's Republican party where him and his followers will openly say outrageous things, spout lies, embrace combative tone, etc. You have AOC, the two Muslim congress women, and there progressive followers saying outrageous things, spout lie, embrace combative tone, etc.

Essentially the samething...Both of these sides our more fringe within their parties and both have loud voices...social media following leads to more media presence. The press will give these fringe out layers of each more attention because it drives a more emotional response from viewers, listeners, etc.

So if your crazy acting, you get more air time.

2. Within both bubbles...it has become less tolerant to agree with the other side because of the backlash from the loudest, most extreme elements within the bubble. Trump will call out and threaten his own party if they don't support him...social media progressive activist will call out, threaten if your not "woke" enough, not green enough, etc. Hence Joe Biden's apology tour before his announcement. So instead of trying to come to an agreement or using reason or logic to get things done...anyone who steps towards the center is routinely criticized to the point of harassment from their own political side.

3. The rise of identity politics, championed by Obama in his second term running/Presidency and continued with Trump campaign/Presidency. Lets organize society by groups now...this is a failure we are seeing across the country. We should want to come together as one nation...

4. Civility and the golden rule...fuck that. Anger only. Its okay now to approach someone in a restaurant and harass them if you don't share the same view. Tell them to go back to their country if they have an accent or because someone wears a MAGA hat assault them.

This is not how you come to an agreement.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223397]Why do democrats always deflect?

As for Obama he has to be the most divisive president in my life time. He was the king of the negative campaigners. Everyday in office he was constantly bad mouthing republicans, businesses, and the wealthy. I thought his "You didn't build that" comment toward business owners was about as pathetic as it gets. I have followed politics since 1968, Obama edged out Carter as the worst president in my lifetime. Trump will probably beat out Obama for that honor soon.
.[/quote]

LOL, are you effing serious??? You're deflecting now! How anyone can call anyone else the most "divisive" president while Donald Trump is still around is amazing! Do you really want to compare "Obama's" so called "bad mouthing" to trumps???Obama isn't consider a great President but he is head and heels over trump, 100 fold!

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223397]Why do democrats always deflect? How does Reagan relate to the left over hyping minorities and women. He is one person, not a huge group. Reagan was the first president I could vote for. I think a huge amount of his legacy was who he followed, the spineless Jimmy Carter, Ford, then Nixon. Carter boycotting the Olympics was about as pathetic as it gets.

[B]As for Obama he has to be the most divisive president [/B]in my life time. He was the king of the negative campaigners. Everyday in office he was constantly bad mouthing republicans, businesses, and the wealthy. I thought his "You didn't build that" comment toward business owners was about as pathetic as it gets. I have followed politics since 1968, Obama edged out Carter as the worst president in my lifetime. Trump will probably beat out Obama for that honor soon.

I will probably be voting for Will Seemore again if I have to pick between Trump, Bernie or Biden. Last election could have been the first time I voted for a Democrat for president, but you could not get me to vote for Hillary Clinton with a gun to my head.[/quote]

I don't know how Trump isn't the most divisive. Obama was the most passive aggressive and ultimately would let his minions do the dirty work just like W did with his guys.

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[quote=Giantone;1223401]LOL, are you effing serious??? You're deflecting now! How anyone can call anyone else the most "divisive" president while Donald Trump is still around is amazing! Do you really want to compare "Obama's" so called "bad mouthing" to trumps???Obama isn't consider a great President but he is head and heels over trump, 100 fold![/quote]

You are deflecting again. I don't grade presidents till their term is up and I did state Trump will pass Obama for worst president of my lifetime. I will not give Trump my worst president award until his term is up. Obama was very divisive. I don't know what to call Trump in that regard. Trump is a loose cannon constantly spewing garbage. He seems to need to comment on everything, even on subjects he has zero knowledge of and hasn't been briefed on. His comment on the Kentucky derby DQ takes the cake.

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The democrats who are driven insane by Trump have no one to blame but themselves. I know life long democrats who voted for Clinton but considered her unlikable and untrustworthy. Trump won because of who he ran against. He would not have beat Bernie. Being a Republican since I was 7 and given a choice between Bernie and Trump I think I would have voted for Bernie. Even though I disagree with a lot of his views he projects as being a very honest person, that is rare for a politician in this country in this day and age. I figure congress would keep him in check.

On election eve I actually watched a couple hour long PBS special on the candidates trying to pick one, as I never like to cast a wasted vote. I could not stand Trump for the longest time as I saw him as someone who always gamed the system. He was a billionaire who filed bankruptcy on a couple under performing companies he owned. What he did was legal, but if he had morals he could have easily paid off all the debts before shutting the companies down.

Against him was Hillary Clinton who always wanted political power at any cost. I thought her playing "Stand by your man" when Bill was getting serviced by Monica in the White House was about as pathetic as it gets. She constantly spread dirt on any women who claimed they were sexually harassed by Bill. Utterly pathetic! This was all for her political future.

Back to the PBS special. I watched it with a preconceived very low opinion of Trump and Hillary. Amazingly when it was over, I even thought less of them.

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This is just sad...............


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-golf-102-million-taxpayers-094500724.html[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1223997]This is just sad...............


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-golf-102-million-taxpayers-094500724.html[/url][/quote]

Michelle Obama used to travel all over the world with an entourage on the tax payers dime, did you get sad about that? It is comical the liberal media only brings up the cost of presidential perks on the taxpayer when a Republican is in office.