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Charley Casserly weighs in on market value for Kirk Cousins.

This from Jamie Oaks of 247sports.com:

Halfway through the 2016 season, it’s natural to start considering the big decision before the Washington Redskins as it relates to Kirk Cousins.

Playing on the franchise tag this season for $19.95 million, the Redskins have a big decision to make.

Let Cousins hit the open market, sign him longterm, or franchise him again at a staggering $24 million for 2017.

Former Redskins general manager and now NFL analyst Charley Casserly has chimed in on the subject.

“As a player today, to me, [Cousins is] Andy Dalton,” started Casserly on CSN Mid-Atlantic. “Good, solid quarterback but he’s not on the next level. He’s Andy Dalton.”

Dalton is currently playing out a six-year, $96 million deal, averaging $16 million per season, making the Cousins’ contract situation even more complex.

“I tell you what, you don’t want to lose him. So, you franchise him at 24 [million], now he has no incentive to sign, now he’s gambling on 35 [million if franchised for a third time] in the next year.

“My question is this, if he goes to free agency, I don’t see the Jets, the Browns, the Bears paying this guy north of $20 million, north of $50-60 [million] guaranteed.”

With Brock Osweiler earning $18 million a year, where does Cousins fit in?

“I think [Cousins] gets north of that number,” said Casserly when asked about Osweiler’s contract. “If this is the guy that finishes out, the way that he’s going, I don’t think you have a choice. You’re going to have to swallow it and pay him the money."

“I think that’s where the market’s going to be, the upper $19 [millions] to the low $20 [millions]. I think that’s where the market is going to be for him.”

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1154615]Charley Casserly weighs in on market value for Kirk Cousins.

This from Jamie Oaks of 247sports.com:

Halfway through the 2016 season, it’s natural to start considering the big decision before the Washington Redskins as it relates to Kirk Cousins.

Playing on the franchise tag this season for $19.95 million, the Redskins have a big decision to make.

Let Cousins hit the open market, sign him longterm, or franchise him again at a staggering $24 million for 2017.

Former Redskins general manager and now NFL analyst Charley Casserly has chimed in on the subject.

“As a player today, to me, [Cousins is] Andy Dalton,” started Casserly on CSN Mid-Atlantic. “Good, solid quarterback but he’s not on the next level. He’s Andy Dalton.”

Dalton is currently playing out a six-year, $96 million deal, averaging $16 million per season, making the Cousins’ contract situation even more complex.

“I tell you what, you don’t want to lose him. So, you franchise him at 24 [million], now he has no incentive to sign, now he’s gambling on 35 [million if franchised for a third time] in the next year.

“My question is this, if he goes to free agency, I don’t see the Jets, the Browns, the Bears paying this guy north of $20 million, north of $50-60 [million] guaranteed.”

With Brock Osweiler earning $18 million a year, where does Cousins fit in?

“I think [Cousins] gets north of that number,” said Casserly when asked about Osweiler’s contract. “If this is the guy that finishes out, the way that he’s going, I don’t think you have a choice. You’re going to have to swallow it and pay him the money."

“I think that’s where the market’s going to be, the upper $19 [millions] to the low $20 [millions]. I think that’s where the market is going to be for him.”[/quote]

I think Casserly is joining in at TW's parties. If KC's numbers stay where they are, or improve, (especially w/o TW in attendance for 4 games), his contract number is going to be 23/year with 80m guaranted, and that's just the starting point. What are the Skins going to do? start all over when you have a qb who is growing more confident and stable each season. I don't think so. And the Skins have never been a cheapskate franchise. Bruce Allen will structure the contract to minimize the impact of the number, although clearly it will have some impact.

If this was a prove it year for KC, so far he's winning that bet.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1154436]ESPN wanted to be cool and make their own QBR that nobody even really cares about. They go based off of many things not just passing stats.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk[/quote]

It is a way, WAY better metric than passer rating, which is an absolutely horrendous stat. If you go 4/4 for 65 yards on a drive in a one-score game in the 4th quarter, that gets you the same passer rating as if you go 4/4 for 65 yards in a drive during garbage time when you're down by 21 points in the fourth quarter.

I can fully and completely explain QBR to anybody interested, it definitely should be used instead of passer rating.

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[quote=Schneed10;1154635]It is a way, WAY better metric than passer rating, which is an absolutely horrendous stat. If you go 4/4 for 65 yards on a drive in a one-score game in the 4th quarter, that gets you the same passer rating as if you go 4/4 for 65 yards in a drive during garbage time when you're down by 21 points in the fourth quarter.

I can fully and completely explain QBR to anybody interested, it definitely should be used instead of passer rating.[/quote]

I admit that I don't understand QBR. Nevertheless, rating Kirk as the 4th most productive QB seems too high to me under any valid system because we have not been a good Red Zone team and Kirk doesn't run very much.

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Kirk is middle of the pack as far as ESPN's QBR goes, 14th currently.

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Mike Jones from the Washington Post states that there are some within the redskins organization who still do not believe Cousins is the answer at QB, and are prepared to use "other options" regarding the QB next year:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/report-some-redskins-not-sold-yet-kirk-cousins-their-long-term-qb]Report: Some with Redskins not sold yet on Kirk Cousins as their long-term QB | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1154646]Mike Jones from the Washington Post states that there are some within the redskins organization who still do not believe Cousins is the answer at QB, and are prepared to use "other options" regarding the QB next year:

[URL="http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/report-some-redskins-not-sold-yet-kirk-cousins-their-long-term-qb"]Report: Some with Redskins not sold yet on Kirk Cousins as their long-term QB | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/URL][/quote]

Damn dude, it's like they write these articles with you in mind. Idk how you manage to find these consistently stupid articles.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1154646]Mike Jones from the Washington Post states that there are some within the redskins organization who still do not believe Cousins is the answer at QB, and are prepared to use "other options" regarding the QB next year:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/report-some-redskins-not-sold-yet-kirk-cousins-their-long-term-qb]Report: Some with Redskins not sold yet on Kirk Cousins as their long-term QB | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

Jones seems like he's pretty well connected. He's says that there " are some" that still don't think KC is the guy? Hmmm...my guess is this is Dan, Bruce or both. My question is why does a story like this come out mid season? He's getting this info from a source. When I hear shit like I just SMH. Why would someone say anything about KC in the middle of the season when you're trying to get into the playoffs? You would never hear this type of shit coming out of the Patriots camp. Ever.

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I respect Casserly's opinion, he's a sharp guy. But after watching the two last week, KC was clearly the better QB. Plus Dalton has started a lot more games. I just wasn't all that impressed with him, he should have been picked off three times and had a terrible fumble at the end of the game. To me he's slightly below average.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1154649]Jones seems like he's pretty well connected. He's says that there " are some" that still don't think KC is the guy? Hmmm...my guess is this is Dan, Bruce or both. My question is why does a story like this come out mid season? He's getting this info from a source. When I hear shit like I just SMH. Why would someone say anything about KC in the middle of the season when you're trying to get into the playoffs? You would never hear this type of shit coming out of the Patriots camp. Ever.[/quote]

My personal opinion has always been that it is Dan who is not the Cousins fan. To me, Bruce has always struck me as just a more rational extension of Dan, meaning that he does what the owner wants but tries to go about it as smartly and rational as possible. I have stated in the past that I feel his disdain towards Cousins is due more to the fact that "his" pick of QB (RG3) failed spectacularly in the NFL, and less to do with Kirk himself. This will be one of the main reasons IMO that Cousins will not be retained.

As far as who the source might be, my best guess is that it is a player, and not an actual team official. Let's try and remember who has been the most anti-Kirk player wise? DeSean Jackson is kind of the only one who springs to my mind. He knows he wont be here next year, so it could be him leaking to the media...just speculation...

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If they let Kirk walk, its because they have another QB that they want in FA and I doubt that happens. Who will be available?? Kirk will be the guy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1154652]If they let Kirk walk, its because they have another QB that they want in FA and I doubt that happens. Who will be available?? Kirk will be the guy[/quote]

Kirk has to be the guy. With a weak draft class available and the even-more-weak free agent class that turns out year after year we really have no choice. Give him 20 mil a year and call it a day. 20 mil seems high but relative to the percentage of the salary cap it will be manageable for us.

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Cousins gonna be a skin for a long time

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People need to read the Jones link a little more carefully. He's offering up his opinion. Take from it what you will.

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[quote=MTK;1154657]People need to read the Jones link a little more carefully. He's offering up his opinion. Take from it what you will.[/quote]

Wow, it's almost like this story is making the rounds like he has a source inside the organization saying they don't like Cousins as a long term solution!