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[quote=mooby;1224121]You're absolutely right Chico. It was a conspiracy, an attempted takedown of Trump because people simply don't like him. And it failed because Trump is too good to get got.

Which is why I'd really enjoy it if you could peruse this op-ed from James Comey and single out the specific statements where he's lying about the FBI's intent to investigate.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/james-comey-no-treason-no-coup-just-lies-%E2%80%94-and-dumb-lies-at-that/ar-AAC31JI[/URL][/quote]

James Comey, he doesn't have a dog in this fight im sure. The main problem the FBI has is Peter Strzok and his mistress...Comey has already said this was a bad look. Coincide that poor, false intelligence with the Steele Doisser...that some here defended somehow (just like some defended the false Buzzfeed article several months ago)....and this is worth investigating.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1224122]Pure comedy that Hillary backers constantly pointing out all of Trumps lies and that he has committed criminal acts and should be put in prison. Politics in this country seem to bring out biases and hypocrisy of epic proportions. Both Trump and Hillary have huge egos and crave power above everything else and don't care what they have to do to attain it. As human beings they basically have no morals and are despicable people. Hillary is just a more polished piece of trash, I would hate to see what she is like behind closed doors. At least Trump has no filter so what you see is what you get. I will probably be voting for Will Seemore again in 2020.[/quote]

Classic Hillary deflection . Trumpettes making themselves feel better by somehow suggesting that Hillary is as bad as trump or worse so it's ok .

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[quote=Giantone;1224124]Classic Hillary deflection . Trumpettes making themselves feel better by somehow suggesting that Hillary is as bad as trump or worse so it's ok .[/quote]

You really need to learn how to read, as I have said a thousand times I do not like either one. So why are you calling me a Trumpette?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1224122]Pure comedy that Hillary backers constantly pointing out all of Trumps lies and that he has committed criminal acts and should be put in prison. Politics in this country seem to bring out biases and hypocrisy of epic proportions. Both Trump and Hillary have huge egos and crave power above everything else and don't care what they have to do to attain it. As human beings they basically have no morals and are despicable people. Hillary is just a more polished piece of trash, I would hate to see what she is like behind closed doors. At least Trump has no filter so what you see is what you get. I will probably be voting for Will Seemore again in 2020.[/quote]

Are you labelling me a Hillary backer?

I default to Hillary as the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean she's the ideal candidate for the job (she's not, I would prefer someone who's not beholden to corporate interests).

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Welp mueller speaks at 11, interested to hear what he has to say.

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[quote=mooby;1224126]Are you labelling me a Hillary backer?

I default to Hillary as the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean she's the ideal candidate for the job (she's not, I would prefer someone who's not beholden to corporate interests).[/quote]

No, it was directed at someone who is implying I am a Trump supporter and I am not. I could not even pick a lesser of two evils. I have voted in every election since 1980, and rarely vote for democrats, and never for president. I honestly could have voted for one in 2016 if it was anybody but Hillary Clinton running against Trump.

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Mueller just said, don’t bother calling me Congress, read the report

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[quote=Chico23231;1224129]Mueller just said, don’t bother calling me Congress, read the report[/quote]

Mueller: 'If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so'



He all so said,......."DOJ Policy "you can not charge a sitting President with a
Federal crime ",this is against our Constitution.

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Barr in testimony to Congress:

"Hot Rod (sic) and I asked Muller when we met with him on March 5 whether he would have made obstruction a crime but for the OLC opinion. He made it clear several times that it was not his position."

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[quote=Chico23231;1224131]Barr in testimony to Congress:

"Hot Rod (sic) and I asked Muller when we met with him on March 5 whether he would have made obstruction a crime but for the OLC opinion. He made it clear several times that it was not his position."[/quote]

So Barr is disputing Mueller's position that there is no point in even talking about charges because there is a direct order in that regards? AKA Mueller is lying?

I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one. I stand with Mueller, you stand with Barr.

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[quote=mooby;1224142]So Barr is disputing Mueller's position that there is no point in even talking about charges because there is a direct order in that regards? AKA Mueller is lying?

I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one. I stand with Mueller, you stand with Barr.[/quote]

Of course he does he stands for anything that protects that scumbag in the WH .

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[quote=Giantone;1224175]Of course he does he stands for anything that protects that scumbag in the WH .[/quote]

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/william-barr-interview-attorney-general-says-mueller-couldve-decided-whether-trump-obstructed-justice-exclusive/[/url]

The opinion says you cannot indict a president while he is in office,[B][U][SIZE="5"] but he could've reached a decision as to whether it was criminal activity,[/SIZE][/U][/B]" Barr added. "But he had his reasons for not doing it, which he explained and I am not going to, you know, argue about those reasons."

let the bullshit go. Mueller, Barr, and Hot Rod all agree...


The interview CBS does is excellent and Barr comes off extremely well. This Mueller vs Barr is such bullshit...its clownish at this point. It comes off poor if you think these folks are at odds.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224179][url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/william-barr-interview-attorney-general-says-mueller-couldve-decided-whether-trump-obstructed-justice-exclusive/[/url]

The opinion says you cannot indict a president while he is in office,[B][U][SIZE="5"] but he could've reached a decision as to whether it was criminal activity,[/SIZE][/U][/B]" Barr added. "But he had his reasons for not doing it, which he explained and I am not going to, you know, argue about those reasons."

let the bullshit go. Mueller, Barr, and Hot Rod all agree...


The interview CBS does is excellent and Barr comes off extremely well. This Mueller vs Barr is such bullshit...its clownish at this point. It comes off poor if you think these folks are at odds.[/quote]
No, they don't agree, Chico ..........you're as bad as trump .Why do you hate America?

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[quote=Giantone;1224180]No, they don't agree, Chico ..........you're as bad as trump .Why do you hate America?[/quote]

You're on some Alex Jones conspiracy theory shit G1...and that's everyone if you believe they don't agree. Mueller would have certainly said it at his presser. Barr has already stated multiple times, he would support Mueller testimony to congress.

There is nothing to hide

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[quote=Chico23231;1224182]You're on some Alex Jones conspiracy theory shit G1...and that's everyone if you believe they don't agree. Mueller would have certainly said it at his presser. Barr has already stated multiple times, he would support Mueller testimony to congress.

There is nothing to hide[/quote]

LOL, you need to look into a mirror if you're talking Alex Jones Chico . Mueller did say it Chico ...........you refuse to admit it.

Mueller: 'If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so'



He all so said,......."DOJ Policy "you can not charge a sitting President with a
Federal crime ",this is against our Constitution.


[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/robert-mueller-statement-today-report-investigation-trump-2016-election-live-updates-2019-05/[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1224179][url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/william-barr-interview-attorney-general-says-mueller-couldve-decided-whether-trump-obstructed-justice-exclusive/[/url]

The opinion says you cannot indict a president while he is in office,[B][U][SIZE="5"] but he could've reached a decision as to whether it was criminal activity,[/SIZE][/U][/B]" Barr added. "But he had his reasons for not doing it, which he explained and I am not going to, you know, argue about those reasons."

let the bullshit go. Mueller, Barr, and Hot Rod all agree...


The interview CBS does is excellent and Barr comes off extremely well. This Mueller vs Barr is such bullshit...its clownish at this point. It comes off poor if you think these folks are at odds.[/quote]

Mueller seems to be saying there is no point in saying a President is engaging in criminal activity when he cannot be actively prosecuted for said activity. All it does is damage the title. And obviously he has no interest in helping Congress decide whether Trump committed impeachable offenses.

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[quote=mooby;1224188]Mueller seems to be saying there is no point in saying a President is engaging in criminal activity when he cannot be actively prosecuted for said activity. All it does is damage the title. And obviously he has no interest in helping Congress decide whether Trump committed impeachable offenses.[/quote]

No I certainly think he gives a nod towards impeachment with the dems, but he signals he didn’t find criminal activity but leaves an opening for congress to pursue obstruction if other investigations provides info.

One thing not talked about is muller kept saying the olc couldn’t allow for the president to be charged....but those same protections don’t apply to any other in the administration...So NO one else was charged with obstructing. That’s big...but no one is bringing it up.

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Simply put.............

Mueller: 'If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so'.


.........................[B]The END[/B]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1224195]Simply put.............



Mueller: 'If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so'.





.........................[B]The END[/B][/QUOTE]So for you - our justice system is guilty until proven innocent (especially if we dont like you)

Fact is that while Mueller could not indict, he could have laid out the equivalent of proof beyond a reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute a crime and handed that to Congress for impeachment. There is no limit that says he could not lay bare evidence that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump broke such and such law, and the fact that he did not means that Trump like every US Citizen should therefore receive the innocent until proven guilty nod.



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I'd say around 111 pages. Send this thread to hell.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1224536]I'd say around 111 pages. Send this thread to hell.[/quote]

Nope...enough isn’t enough

Welcome back to winning CRed.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224524]So for you - our justice system is guilty until proven innocent (especially if we dont like you)

Fact is that while Mueller could not indict, he could have laid out the equivalent of proof beyond a reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute a crime and handed that to Congress for impeachment. There is no limit that says he could not lay bare evidence that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump broke such and such law, and the fact that he did not means that Trump like every US Citizen should therefore receive the innocent until proven guilty nod.

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Proof was laid out,DOJ polocies say you can not indite a sitting President . Spin all you want ,the man said he can not say he did not commit a crime !

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No he isn't bilking the US tax payers at all......................


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-ireland-golf-course-visit-224536672.html[/url]



The president is rarely in a building, save for the White House, that doesn’t have his name on it. And that is costing the American taxpayer more than $100 million, according to HuffPost. Trump’s recent visit to his golf course in Doonbeg, Ireland, contributed $3.6 million to that total.

The expenses for Trump’s trip included $1,023,940 for car and limo rentals, $10,866 to install temporary phone lines and an astounding $16,325 for the Secret Service to rent golf carts to follow the president while he played the links. And according to HuffPost, the jaunt to Ireland cost the State Department $1.5 million in contracts for the trip.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224524]So for you - our justice system is guilty until proven innocent (especially if we dont like you)

Fact is that while Mueller could not indict, he could have laid out the equivalent of proof beyond a reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute a crime and handed that to Congress for impeachment. There is no limit that says he could not lay bare evidence that proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump broke such and such law, and the fact that he did not means that Trump like every US Citizen should therefore receive the innocent until proven guilty nod.



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[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-u-attorney-tells-congress-185812955.html[/url]


Former U.S. Attorney Tells Congress Trump Committed ‘Multiple Crimes’

Politics
Former U.S. Attorney Tells Congress Trump Committed ‘Multiple Crimes’
The Daily Beast By Barbara McQuade,The Daily Beast Mon, Jun 10 2:58 PM EDT
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Andrew Harnik/AP
Statement as prepared for testimony before the House Judiciary Committee.

Chairman Nadler, Ranking Member Collins, and distinguished members of the Committee: Thank you for inviting me to speak with you today about lessons from the Mueller Report regarding obstruction of justice.

Overview of Testimony
The most significant finding in the Special Counsel’s Report is that Russia interfered with our election in “sweeping and systematic fashion.”

Through that lens, I will share 2 observations about the report—

What happened and why it matters.

First, the conduct described in the report constitutes multiple crimes of obstruction of justice, supported by evidence of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If anyone other than a sitting president had committed this conduct, I am confident that he would be charged with crimes.

One thousand former federal prosecutors signed a letter agreeing that the president committed crimes.

Second, why it matters.

The obstruction described in the report created a risk to our national security because it was designed to prevent investigators from learning all of the facts about an attack on our country by a hostile foreign adversary.

hit the link to read more.............................

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Lol g1....

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[quote=Giantone;1224639][url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-u-attorney-tells-congress-185812955.html[/url]


Former U.S. Attorney Tells Congress Trump Committed ‘Multiple Crimes’

Politics
Former U.S. Attorney Tells Congress Trump Committed ‘Multiple Crimes’
The Daily Beast By Barbara McQuade,The Daily Beast Mon, Jun 10 2:58 PM EDT
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Andrew Harnik/AP
Statement as prepared for testimony before the House Judiciary Committee.

Chairman Nadler, Ranking Member Collins, and distinguished members of the Committee: Thank you for inviting me to speak with you today about lessons from the Mueller Report regarding obstruction of justice.

Overview of Testimony
The most significant finding in the Special Counsel’s Report is that Russia interfered with our election in “sweeping and systematic fashion.”

Through that lens, I will share 2 observations about the report—

What happened and why it matters.

First, the conduct described in the report constitutes multiple crimes of obstruction of justice, supported by evidence of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If anyone other than a sitting president had committed this conduct, I am confident that he would be charged with crimes.

One thousand former federal prosecutors signed a letter agreeing that the president committed crimes.

Second, why it matters.

The obstruction described in the report created a risk to our national security because it was designed to prevent investigators from learning all of the facts about an attack on our country by a hostile foreign adversary.

hit the link to read more.............................[/quote]

Prosecutors prosecute, it's not unsurprising that they see the burden of reasonable doubt met. Let's get 1000 former defense lawyers to agree that a crime of obstruction was committed based on the Mueller report (including the exculpatory evidence within that the Daily Beast did not delve into).

Personally, if the House wants to impeach him, I think they should. They should call Mueller to testify about the report and allow the evidence to be viewed cross-examined.

And if in the end, the burden of proof is met, the Senate should execute it's duties aside from political partisanship.

But I stand by the fact that until he is found guilty by the Senate, our system of justice demands that everyone acknowledge that Trump has not been found guilty (regardless if 10,000 prosecutors swore on a stack of 10,000 Bibles and said it was enough), and is therefore innocent - not just "not charged".

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224649]Prosecutors prosecute, it's not unsurprising that they see the burden of reasonable doubt met. Let's get 1000 former defense lawyers to agree that a crime of obstruction was committed based on the Mueller report (including the exculpatory evidence within that the Daily Beast did not delve into).

Personally, if the House wants to impeach him, I think they should. They should call Mueller to testify about the report and allow the evidence to be viewed cross-examined.

And if in the end, the burden of proof is met, the Senate should execute it's duties aside from political partisanship.

But I stand by the fact that until he is found guilty by the Senate, our system of justice demands that everyone acknowledge that Trump has not been found guilty (regardless if 10,000 prosecutors swore on a stack of 10,000 Bibles and said it was enough), and is therefore innocent - not just "not charged".[/quote]



I see your point yet my question is was Hillary considerd "innocent" during the 8 House investigations that took place ,that found much less than here?

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[quote=Giantone;1224651]I see your point yet my question is was Hillary considerd "innocent" during the 8 House investigations that took place ,that found much less than here?[/quote]

It's funny, I was going to bring up HC but was sure you would label it as a deflection.

As far as I know, HC has never been regarded as anything but innocent from the media, the fbi - even the ones tasked to investigate her, and the 48.2% of the electorate that elected her. Perhaps, the other 46.1% found enough doubt to chant lock her up because they didn't trust the political bureaucracies that simply chase the political winds - dems investigate reps and reps investigate dems while they both parties do the same damn thing, or because the sight of an ex-president meeting on the tarmac with a leading prosecutor gave the image of a tainted investigation.

But is there anyone who thinks that the Mueller probe didn't look under every rock, turn over every possible lead with the express intent to prove that Trump was first involved with the Russians and barring being able to prove that that they would prove that he committed obstruction. The team put together was as motivated as any to get every angle, and they had every dollar they wanted, they had access to crazy high level activity, they had every surveillance trick and trap available to them, and they still put together a very refutable 10 points of possible obstruction.

So for the TL;DR crowd, HC investigations were first political (thus questionable) and secondly rushed and clearly biased FBI investigators with
DOJ friendly actors. Trump investigations on the other hand were first highly motivated well funded long term FBI / DOJ employees and now comes the political hack jobs.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224657]It's funny, I was going to bring up HC but was sure you would label it as a deflection.

As far as I know, HC has never been regarded as anything but innocent from the media, the fbi - even the ones tasked to investigate her, and the 48.2% of the electorate that elected her. Perhaps, the other 46.1% found enough doubt to chant lock her up because they didn't trust the political bureaucracies that simply chase the political winds - dems investigate reps and reps investigate dems while they both parties do the same damn thing, or because the sight of an ex-president meeting on the tarmac with a leading prosecutor gave the image of a tainted investigation.

But is there anyone who thinks that the Mueller probe didn't look under every rock, turn over every possible lead with the express intent to prove that Trump was first involved with the Russians and barring being able to prove that that they would prove that he committed obstruction. The team put together was as motivated as any to get every angle, and they had every dollar they wanted, they had access to crazy high level activity, they had every surveillance trick and trap available to them, and they still put together a very refutable 10 points of possible obstruction.

So for the TL;DR crowd, HC investigations were first political (thus questionable) and secondly rushed and clearly biased FBI investigators with
DOJ friendly actors. Trump investigations on the other hand were first highly motivated well funded long term FBI / DOJ employees and now comes the political hack jobs.[/quote]


I see your argument and I reverse it , Hillary was always assumed to be guilty and trump has been proven to be guilty just not allowed to be prosecuted ,it's no hack job.Nothing even close to what the republicans did to do to Hillary.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1224660]I see your argument and I reverse it , Hillary was always assumed to be guilty and trump has been proven to be guilty just not allowed to be prosecuted ,it's no hack job.Nothing even close to what the republicans did to do to Hillary.[/QUOTE]Both political parties and there pet media outfits do hack jobs and they are both good at it.

But what does it prosper the American people?

Nothing. The bottomline in all of this is that our politicians have gotten so corrupt as to make sport over investigating each other and working up there half of the population to fevered pitch of us against "evil" them. Trump is the latest outgrowth of this but he isnt alone by any means

If we want the US to prosper in the future, we all have to find a way to heal the political duvide in this country.

I dont know how that is done...

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[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/the-publicly-shamed-sue-oberlin-college-verdict/591379/[/url]

“From Public Shame to the Courtroom
Gibson’s Bakery, a family-owned business near Oberlin College accused of racism, just won a big payout.”

This is a great story and good to see legal precedents being set for future cases. Next up the Covington Catholic students....they gonna get paid and rightfully so.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224753][url]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/the-publicly-shamed-sue-oberlin-college-verdict/591379/[/url]

“From Public Shame to the Courtroom
Gibson’s Bakery, a family-owned business near Oberlin College accused of racism, just won a big payout.”

This is a great story and good to see legal precedents being set for future cases. Next up the Covington Catholic students....they gonna get paid and rightfully so.[/quote]

Why do a bunch of 13/15 year old catholic school boys who were at and "anti abortion rally" deserve to be paid anything ?

Chico your bias against the press is ridiculous .

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1224756]Why do a bunch of 13/15 year old catholic school boys who were at and "anti abortion rally" deserve to be paid anything ?



Chico your bias against the press is ridiculous .[/QUOTE]I see your question and reverse it - why do 13-16 year olds participating in protected freedom of speech deserve to be unjustly raked through media hell?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224771]I see your question and reverse it - why do 13-16 year olds participating in protected freedom of speech deserve to be unjustly raked through media hell?

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Their "protected Freedoms" were not interfered with in any way shape or form. You need to ask the "chaperones,parents and school administrators if the "boys" behavior was keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church ,they weren't raked through anything they got taught a lesson about civility ,the media reported it .

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1224776]Their "protected Freedoms" were not interfered with in any way shape or form. You need to ask the "chaperones,parents and school administrators if the "boys" behavior was keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church ,they weren't raked through anything they got taught a lesson about civility ,the media reported it .[/QUOTE]Read the washington post retractions. And the school did investigate and found the students acted appropriately.

[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-covington-report/report-on-covington-high-school-incident-finds-no-fault-with-students-idUSKCN1Q22UA[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224777]Read the washington post retractions. And the school did investigate and found the students acted appropriately.

[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-covington-report/report-on-covington-high-school-incident-finds-no-fault-with-students-idUSKCN1Q22UA[/url]

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I read it and I watched it,I actually blame the Chaperones ,Parents and School Administrators more than I blame the kids. The school has no choice but to back the kids .................,they all looked like fools .

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1224786]I read it and I watched it,I actually blame the Chaperones ,Parents and School Administrators more than I blame the kids. The school has no choice but to back the kids .................,they all looked like fools .[/QUOTE]So do you think the media has any fault for the initial coverage?

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No , do you fault the chaperones who should have moved the kids away or at least intervened?

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[quote=Giantone;1224776]Their "protected Freedoms" were not interfered with in any way shape or form. You need to ask the "chaperones,parents and school administrators if the "boys" behavior was keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church ,they weren't raked through anything they got taught a lesson about civility ,the media reported it .[/quote]

lol...13-15 years old got taught a lesson about what? They didn't do anything wrong...and whats beautiful is the full video shows what happened and then the apologies started to roll out from the media. The media used and abused children to fuel a false narrative which is primarily revolves around their hatred of the president.

And now they will pay...CNN, NBC parent and Washington Post are all facing about a billion in 3 lawsuits from this one. Its certainly justified.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1224792]lol...13-15 years old got taught a lesson about what? They didn't do anything wrong...and whats beautiful is the full video shows what happened and then the apologies started to roll out from the media. The media used and abused children to fuel a false narrative which is primarily revolves around their hatred of the president.

And now they will pay...CNN, NBC parent and Washington Post are all facing about a billion in 3 lawsuits from this one. Its certainly justified.[/quote]

OOOOOOhhhh, Chico using the big words "used and abused" ......the media reported it ,it's for us to interpret / digest what we see. You must have gotten turned down for a job in the media the way you fling your bias opinion of them around .