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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1304495]I’m based not biased

Well Joe Manchin just went on Fox News and said he is a firm no on Joe Biden socialism bill.

Gotta be honest, I’m a lil surprised they got nothing.[/QUOTE]


The fact that you think you’re based and not biased means you are biased.

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[quote=Chico23231;1304495]I’m based not biased

Well Joe Manchin just went on Fox News and said he is a firm no on Joe Biden socialism bill.

Gotta be honest, I’m a lil surprised they got nothing.[/quote]

A lil?

Even Ray Charles could see Manchin wasn't gonna bend.

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Man Manchin has the kingmaker power right now. If he could translate it to moving compromise legislation through - bypassing hardliners on both sides - that would be awesome.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1304527]Man Manchin has the kingmaker power right now. If he could translate it to moving compromise legislation through - bypassing hardliners on both sides - that would be awesome.

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If Biden would act like Biden and not some socialist leftist, he could. But unfortunately he decided to let progressive run his administration so fuck him.

I have zero sympathy for him and his disastrous start to his Presidency

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1304531]If Biden would act like Biden and not some socialist leftist, he could. But unfortunately he decided to let progressive run his administration so fuck him.

I have zero sympathy for him and his disastrous start to his Presidency[/QUOTE]


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[url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/19/politics/francis-collins-trump-political-pressure-republicans/index.html[/url]

Probably just another lying deepstate leaker id imagine. [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]

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[quote=punch it in;1304539][IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/CoDp6NnSmItoY/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

"Socialist hardliner Joe Brandon refuses to negotiate with moderates, kills himself and his presidential goals! No sympathy!"

LOL indeed.

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The reactions yesterday tells you the story…The anger by Bernie his band of commie socialists and the relief by the moderates.

Gregory T. Angelo
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Privately Senator Sinema has been telling people it’s not just her and Manchin who are opposed to #BuildBackBetter — many of their Democrat colleagues are opposed as well, but afraid to speak up. She tells them they’re “hiding behind her skirt.”

Biden hasn’t governed like a moderate, that’s why he’s been a disaster. The folks in charge of the administration aren’t really good at this.

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[quote=Chico23231;1304495]I’m based not biased

Well Joe Manchin just went on Fox News and said he is a firm no on Joe Biden [B]socialism [/B]bill.

Gotta be honest, I’m a lil surprised they got nothing.[/quote]

Puh lease. There is not one iota of socialism in there. The only thing it is is an incredibly rich country with plenty of money deciding what they are going to prioritize. Joe Manchin has proven time and again he cares nothing for the people of his state or country unless it benefits him. I don't see how you can praise him for his personal gains at the expense of our country and then with a straight face criticize others.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1304582]Puh lease. There is not one iota of socialism in there. The only thing it is is an incredibly rich country with plenty of money deciding what they are going to prioritize. Joe Manchin has proven time and again he cares nothing for the people of his state or country unless it benefits him. I don't see how you can praise him for his personal gains at the expense of our country and then with a straight face criticize others.[/QUOTE]


Chico is so cookie cutter Trumpish. Anything left is socialist communist anti American etc etc etc

Anything right is patriotic.

You cannot be that surprised. If Biden switched sides tomorrow Chico would praise everything the man has ever done.

He is not about policy. He is about a side. Which is whatever side Trump is on because for some reason Chico thinks the moron has his finger on the pulse of democracy when actually it is up his ass with his head.

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We don't have plenty of money. We just keep borrowing and borrowing and borrowing money we don't have. We are in debt 29 trillion dollars.

It's incredibly unfair to say if you're against this monster bill you're doing it at the expense of your country. There are valid reasons why people are against it.

Spending tons of money does not automatically equal good for the country.

If that was the case, this country would be absolutely perfect by now. That's all our government does is print and spend money they don't have.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1304591]We don't have plenty of money. We just keep borrowing and borrowing and borrowing money we don't have. We are in debt 29 trillion dollars.

It's incredibly unfair to say if you're against this monster bill you're doing it at the expense of your country. There are valid reasons why people are against it.

Spending tons of money does not automatically equal good for the country.

If that was the case, this country would be absolutely perfect by now. That's all our government does is print and spend money they don't have.[/quote]

Okay let me rephrase then. We are an incredibly wealthy country with vast amount or resources. We are choosing to utilize that capital in a way that benefits very few instead of benefiting the country as a whole. Benefiting many should not be viewed as socialism but a country doing right by their citizens not the industrial-military complex. Whether we are in debt or not is irrelevant if people like Joe Manchin say "I can support A but not B" even though B will help us and A doesn't

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1304615]Okay let me rephrase then. We are an incredibly wealthy country with vast amount or resources. We are choosing to utilize that capital in a way that benefits very few instead of benefiting the country as a whole. Benefiting many should not be viewed as socialism but a country doing right by their citizens not the industrial-military complex. Whether we are in debt or not is irrelevant if people like Joe Manchin say "I can support A but not B" even though B will help us and A doesn't[/quote]

Thinking government saves people

Goodness gracious…

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Yes Chico I think the government should benefit the citizens the crazy democracy destroying socialist I am

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If not the gov't who else? Let's take away Social Security, SSI, HEAP/HUD/SNAP, Medicare and Medicaid and see how that works.

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Well to be fair to Manchin it was the White House that were playing games on the cost of the bill. The CBO said it wasn't paid for and the White House response was to shorten the time of the programs to 3 years while stating next 10 years of a tax increase (that they would have to extend after 3 years) would pay for them. Manchin knew that Dems would have to be in power to extend the taxes and if they were they'd also extend the programs - ie it wasn't going to be payed for. To clarify a Republican controlled Congress = no tax extension which means increased debt. A Dem controlled congress = Tax extension which pays for 1st three years but then also means extension of programs as well which means increased debt.

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I agree the game playing is counterproductive. It should be okay to say that providing services will cost money and not lie about it.

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The infrastructure bill that actually got passed was 2702 pages. I mean, c'mon, no way you can possibly believe a bill needs 2700 pages, if it was actually drafted strictly for national infrastructure. That bill had more pork than a sausage factory.

If anyone here has read a 2700 page book, you're a superior human than me.

The infrastructure bill compared to BBB is childs play.

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Has anyone on the left here, ever lived anywhere, where they were remotely the minority in terms of politics?

I'm from Bay Area, CA, which is as liberal as it gets on the west coast. And Redskins/Team is in the Virginia/Maryland/D.C. corridor.

I'm curious to know.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1304667]Has anyone on the left here, ever lived anywhere, where they were remotely the minority in terms of politics?

I'm from Bay Area, CA, which is as liberal as it gets on the west coast. And Redskins/Team is in the Virginia/Maryland/D.C. corridor.

I'm curious to know.[/quote]

Half my family is from the boonies - hardcore Trump country and they're all solid red. My dad is too.

Sometimes it feels like north and south Korea with how different we are.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1304667]Has anyone on the left here, ever lived anywhere, where they were remotely the minority in terms of politics?

I'm from Bay Area, CA, which is as liberal as it gets on the west coast. And Redskins/Team is in the Virginia/Maryland/D.C. corridor.

I'm curious to know.[/QUOTE]


NJ is a blue state, but my county and town are solid red. I work in a neighboring town that is straight Trump shrines in every yard. I swear to God they go to church to pray to and for him. At least twice a day I have homeowners trying to talk to me about the deep state and why Biden ruined their lives. Im thinking dude your front yard has been littered with old toilets, trash, and broken down cars long before Biden took office but I usually just smile, nod my head, and get back in my car like our friend in the woods.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1304666]The infrastructure bill that actually got passed was 2702 pages. I mean, c'mon, no way you can possibly believe a bill needs 2700 pages, if it was actually drafted strictly for national infrastructure. That bill had more pork than a sausage factory.

If anyone here has read a 2700 page book, you're a superior human than me.

The infrastructure bill compared to BBB is childs play.[/quote]

Over 50% of infrastructure bill was corporate giveaways. One of the reasons I did not really understand why progressives allowed that to get passed first. there are enough in congress to hold their votes and elicit real change for good.

To your other post: I was born in Beaufort, SC and still consider SC my home state but after college I could not bring myself to move back there. I was a military brat and spent most of my life outside Fort Bragg, Fort Benning and Fort Polk. I have had enough of southern conservatism. I also lived in Fort lewis. The western conservative mindset is far more to my liking than the southern.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1304667]Has anyone on the left here, ever lived anywhere, where they were remotely the minority in terms of politics?

I'm from Bay Area, CA, which is as liberal as it gets on the west coast. And Redskins/Team is in the Virginia/Maryland/D.C. corridor.

I'm curious to know.[/quote]

Elise Stefanik's office is walking distance away from where I live, so yeah, that should tell you a little about where I'm at

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1304681]Over 50% of infrastructure bill was corporate giveaways. One of the reasons I did not really understand why progressives allowed that to get passed first. there are enough in congress to hold their votes and elicit real change for good.[/quote]

This is my idea of how bills get drafted in DC.

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Just pass around the pen and everyone gets to write in what they want that benefits them.

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1304681]To your other post: I was born in Beaufort, SC and still consider SC my home state but after college I could not bring myself to move back there. I was a military brat and spent most of my life outside Fort Bragg, Fort Benning and Fort Polk. I have had enough of southern conservatism. I also lived in Fort lewis. The western conservative mindset is far more to my liking than the southern.[/quote]

C'mon, move to Mount Pleasant, SC, in February. We can be neighbors.

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[quote=mooby;1304670]Half my family is from the boonies - hardcore Trump country and they're all solid red. My dad is too.

Sometimes it feels like north and south Korea with how different we are.[/quote]

This blows my mind lol. I want to be invited to the next Mooby family reunion.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1304700]This is my idea of how bills get drafted in DC.

[IMG]https://i.gifer.com/3eqC.gif[/IMG]

Just pass around the pen and everyone gets to write in what they want that benefits them.



C'mon, move to Mount Pleasant, SC, in February. We can be neighbors.[/quote]

Lot's of great restaurants there be prepared for traffic, bad driving and to put on twenty pounds from fried food alone. Head to Isle of Palms go to Acme Cantina and get the Gouda Grit Fries. Ask them to add some shrimp. Go to Simmons Seafood for key lime pie. Don't ever let anyone see you buy shrimp at a grocery store pick it up at the dock on Shem Creek. Swig and Swine up route 41 for your que. Riverdogs games are the bomb great food and beer. Go opening night to hang with Bill Murray

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1304722]Lot's of great restaurants there be prepared for traffic, bad driving and to put on twenty pounds from fried food alone. Head to Isle of Palms go to Acme Cantina and get the Gouda Grit Fries. Ask them to add some shrimp. Go to Simmons Seafood for key lime pie. Don't ever let anyone see you buy shrimp at a grocery store pick it up at the dock on Shem Creek. Swig and Swine up route 41 for your que. Riverdogs games are the bomb great food and beer. Go opening night to hang with Bill Murray[/quote]

Nice, thanks for the updates. Luckily I will be working remotely, so I will only have to deal with any traffic for things I choose to go do.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1304701]This blows my mind lol. I want to be invited to the next Mooby family reunion.[/quote]

My mom's side of the family is mostly blue - except for my mom (pro-Trump/pro-crazy) and one Q-anon aunt.

I'm glad they never met my dad's side of the family lol.

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[quote=mooby;1304745]My mom's side of the family is mostly blue - except for my mom (pro-Trump/pro-crazy) and one Q-anon aunt.

I'm glad they never met my dad's side of the family lol.[/quote]

Both your parents are pro-trump? Man, who says the apple can't fall far from the tree, then roll down hill 5 miles.

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When you hear people spew hate for West Virginia remember:

West Virginia has a higher literacy rate than New York or California (86% vs 78% vs 77%).

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1305259]When you hear people spew hate for West Virginia remember:

West Virginia has a higher literacy rate than New York or California (86% vs 78% vs 77%).[/QUOTE]


What the fuck is your point?

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[quote=punch it in;1305264]What the fuck is your point?[/quote]

You know exactly

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Manchin is the problem not the people there.

[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/coal-miners-union-manchin-rethink-no-to-build-back-better-2021-12"]The United Mine Workers of America is urging Sen. Manchin to rethink his opposition to Build Back Better[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1305266]You know exactly[/QUOTE]


Really? I have never heard anyone say I hate those illiterate West Virginians. You are trying to connect dots between democrats, Manchin, and illiterates so that everyone says wait a minute Manchin may have a point because his state reads better than California which is blue???

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[QUOTE=MTK;1305268]Manchin is the problem not the people there.

[URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/coal-miners-union-manchin-rethink-no-to-build-back-better-2021-12"]The United Mine Workers of America is urging Sen. Manchin to rethink his opposition to Build Back Better[/URL][/QUOTE]


Exactly but Chico is trying desperately to comb the internet to prove that Manchins state is better somehow than two blue states and therefore democrats are wrong. Lololololo

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Im just ducking out of here. Chico is angry about last night and taking it out on California for their reading skills to prove that build back better is no good[emoji1750]

The floor is yours Chico. Good luck with your thesis.

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[quote=punch it in;1305269]Really? I have never heard anyone say I hate those illiterate West Virginians. You are trying to connect dots between democrats, Manchin, and illiterates so that everyone says wait a minute Manchin may have a point because his state reads better than California which is blue???[/quote]

It refers to a long stigma, but liberals, political talking heads, and media have gone to it this week bc of Manchin correct position on the socialist, 5 trillion bullshit bill

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Why do only a 5 trillion bill? If 5 trillion is good, then 10 trillion would be really good.

The democratic party (the party as a whole, not necessarily individual voters) pretending it cares about coal workers is also lol.

If that health coverage thing needs to be extended, and that's really important to democrats, they can simply draft a bill that is strictly for that.

Instead we draft these huge fucking bills with everything and the kitchen sink in it, mostly stuffed with pork. Then pull out little parts like this that might actually be helpful, and say, look see if you don't vote for this bill, you don't care about X group.

The problem isn't Manchin, the problem is the bill itself. And it's just the bill process in general, that is the deep problem.

No way people that vote on these bills even know what's in all them. Thousands of pages, how could you.

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[quote=Chico23231;1305277]It refers to a long stigma, but liberals, political talking heads, and media have gone to it this week bc of Manchin correct position on the [B]socialist[/B], 5 trillion bullshit bill[/quote]

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Nothing triggers the right quite like that S word. Despite the fact we have elements of it all around us.