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Lol justin Trudeau...

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1230330]Again I understand that but why is it illegal , rich people give endowments to schools all the time and their kids are always accepted ,what is the difference ?



Again just asking here.[/QUOTE]



Well, I guess that nobody is profiting (pocketing cash) off of an endowment. I would also venture to say that in most of those cases the kid is probably a borderline admission anyway as opposed to someone pretending to be on the crew team because they aren’t borderline. I totally understand what you are saying and Maybe this will lead to less of that bullshit.
And G-one again stop acting like the parents are innocent. Or they were duped. Lol. They participated in a scam and knew full well all along the way that it was illegal. Not sure why you don’t get it.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1230368]bribery is illegal not "illegal" it is a crime. You can argue jail time but people have done far less and received far more. There is also a substantial difference between bribery and an endowment. Not that an endowment or a legacy at the school should entitle you to attend. They paid someone to falsify scores in order to improve their kids standings and then pass that off to colleges and Universities unknowingly. The only person that benefits are the family and the person that received the bribe. With an endowment people pay to fund and promote a school for the betterment of the student body and not just one kid. If a school chooses to accept the student afterward that is there prerogative. Both can be sleezy one is a crime.[/QUOTE]



Exactly what i am sayin but you said it way better. Lol

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[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-announces-formal-impeachment-inquiry-of-trump-says-his-actions-were-a-betrayal-of-national-security/ar-AAHMjIh?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ientp[/url]

This dumb bitch. Impeachment is not going to go anywhere, withholding military aid from the Ukraine because they won't investigate your political rival (while definitely impeachment-worthy under any other administration) is not going to be enough to turn the Senate against Trump. They're riding in lockstep with Trump, literally he could do anything short of saying he is switching sides and they'd still ride with him.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1231584][url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-announces-formal-impeachment-inquiry-of-trump-says-his-actions-were-a-betrayal-of-national-security/ar-AAHMjIh?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ientp[/url]



This dumb bitch. Impeachment is not going to go anywhere, withholding military aid from the Ukraine because they won't investigate your political rival (while definitely impeachment-worthy under any other administration) is not going to be enough to turn the Senate against Trump. They're riding in lockstep with Trump, literally he could do anything short of saying he is switching sides and they'd still ride with him.[/QUOTE]



Having it pass the house would still be the right thing to do. Let them be the ones who are complicit.

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I guess enough was enough today.



[quote=mooby;1231584][url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-announces-formal-impeachment-inquiry-of-trump-says-his-actions-were-a-betrayal-of-national-security/ar-AAHMjIh?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ientp[/url]

This dumb bitch. Impeachment is not going to go anywhere, withholding military aid from the Ukraine because they won't investigate your political rival (while definitely impeachment-worthy under any other administration) is not going to be enough to turn the Senate against Trump. They're riding in lockstep with Trump, literally he could do anything short of saying he is switching sides and they'd still ride with him.[/quote]


If they have the proof it very well might. It's something simple that the public can get behind and the GOP would love an opportunity to ditch Trump. Truthfully the Mueller report should have been enough, but most people didn't read some 500 pages and it was complex if you weren't really following it. A simple he asked (as President of the United States) to interfere in our 2020 election by getting dirt on a rival's son.

Also, the whistleblower said there were 8 acts, and a Trump appointed IG deemed it urgent and credible enough that when the DNI didn't go to congress with it, he notified them. Sounds serious to me.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1231602]I guess enough was enough today.






If they have the proof it very well might. It's something simple that the public can get behind and the GOP would love an opportunity to ditch Trump. Truthfully the Mueller report should have been enough, but most people didn't read some 500 pages and it was complex if you weren't really following it. A simple he asked (as President of the United States) to interfere in our 2020 election by getting dirt on a rival's son.

Also, the whistleblower said there were 8 acts, and a Trump appointed IG deemed it urgent and credible enough that when the DNI didn't go to congress with it, he notified them. [B]Sounds serious to me[/B].[/quote]

We can only hope so. Hope is dead when it comes to politics for me though.

Chico, Cred, what sayeth the Trumpers? Is it ok to withhold congressionally approved aid from a country because they won't investigate your political rival's son? Or in another roundabout way of saying it, is it ok to ask for the aid of another country to help you win an upcoming election?

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[quote=Chico23231;1230706]Lol justin Trudeau...[/quote]


This dumb motherfucker. Why would you think this wouldn't come out?


I would love to get into politics but since there was that midget prostitute incident in Tijuana, I know my limitations.

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[quote=jamf;1231644]This dumb motherfucker. Why would you think this wouldn't come out?


I would love to get into politics but since there was that midget prostitute incident in Tijuana, I know my limitations.[/quote]

Just deny it, over and over again. It is odd of all the people getting exposed for black face incidents. My favorite was our own governor Ralph Northam. First he admits it was him in the picture then turns around and denies it. Politicians in this country are becoming the scum of the Earth. They are all pretty much lying, cheating, sacks of crap, regardless of party affiliation.

Also if you are a real democrat the term "midget" is no longer PC and considered demeaning.

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[quote=jamf;1231644]This dumb motherfucker. Why would you think this wouldn't come out?


I would love to get into politics but since there was that midget prostitute incident in Tijuana, I know my limitations.[/quote]

dude was like 29 too. So don't tell me, hey I was a kid

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[URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-ukraine-call-former-national-security-officials-ukraine-call-unconscionable-abuse-of-power/"]Over 300 former national security professionals call out Trump for "unconscionable abuse of power"[/URL]

Are we getting to the point of enough is enough or no

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[quote=MTK;1231883][URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-ukraine-call-former-national-security-officials-ukraine-call-unconscionable-abuse-of-power/"]Over 300 former national security professionals call out Trump for "unconscionable abuse of power"[/URL]

Are we getting to the point of enough is enough or no[/quote]

Let's be honest, it feels like Trump thinks he's untouchable since the Mueller report passed. If he controls the flow of information nobody can touch him.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1231883][URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-ukraine-call-former-national-security-officials-ukraine-call-unconscionable-abuse-of-power/"]Over 300 former national security professionals call out Trump for "unconscionable abuse of power"[/URL]



Are we getting to the point of enough is enough or no[/QUOTE]



His tweets today were effin lunacy. Whistle blowers are witnesses not rats. We have a fuckin potus who is spewing conspiracy theories. Totally unhinged and dangerous. If he somehow wins in 2020 im outta here.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1231889]Let's be honest, it feels like Trump thinks he's untouchable since the Mueller report passed. If he controls the flow of information nobody can touch him.[/QUOTE]



He doesn’t. Fox does. He just regurgitates it. It doesn’t even matter. The line is drawn so deep that his base doesn’t care. He will have his 30-40 percent no matter what. Good thing is all the dems that either voted for him or stayed home because they hated HRC will band together in 2020.

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[quote=jamf;1231644]This dumb motherfucker. Why would you think this wouldn't come out?


I would love to get into politics but since there was that [B]midget prostitute incident in Tijuana, I know my limitations.[/B][/quote]

Is the pony the star witness? ;)

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1231671]

Also if you are a real democrat the term "midget" is no longer PC and considered demeaning.[/quote]
G1 and I are Republicans!

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1232657]Is the pony the star witness? ;)[/quote]
LOL


[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/86/31/35/863135d53d8e44a8b3e08f3a1e209241.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=jamf;1232658]G1 and I are Republicans![/quote]

:thumbsup:

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[quote=jamf;1232659]LOL


[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/86/31/35/863135d53d8e44a8b3e08f3a1e209241.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Still not as bad as this old footage of Trump declaring his love for broads.

[yt]0ZqHuvEtKcY[/yt]

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Holy fuck this good. All time king troll-shit

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1179502966606352386[/url]

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Trump calling anyone else crooked or their son is pretty funny.

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[quote=Giantone;1232719]Trump calling anyone else crooked or their son is pretty funny.[/quote]

Boy, could you imagine if that was Don Jr on a Ukraine board? Well at least you could explain it with an education....Biden son doesn’t hold the credentials to manage a Taco Bell.

Yet the left thinks this is perfectly fine...horsehshit of the highest order.

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[quote=Chico23231;1232724]Boy, could you imagine if that was Don Jr on a Ukraine board? Well at least you could explain it with an education....Biden son doesn’t hold the credentials to manage a Taco Bell.

Yet the left thinks this is perfectly fine...horsehshit of the highest order.[/quote]



Chico , your boy is going down and it might very well be his own personal lawyer that does it.


[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881505/donald-trump-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower[/url]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/[/url]
President Trump said Wednesday that his controversial July call with his Ukrainian counterpart was transcribed “word-for-word, comma-for-comma,” an assertion that fueled growing questions about the nature and completeness of an official memorandum about the call released by the White House last week.

“This is an exact word-for-word transcript of the conversation, taken by very talented stenographers,” Trump said.

White House officials previously had portrayed the document as not a verbatim transcription but rather a summary that closely tracked the words the president used in his July 25 call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky. They said it was being released in a bid to bring transparency and clarity to a call at the heart of a consuming political scandal that has sparked a House impeachment investigation.

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But the whistleblower complaint that spurred the investigation described an “official word-for-word transcript” of the call — words closely matching the ones used by Trump on Wednesday — creating uncertainty about what was included in the document the White House released last week and what may have been left out.

Current and former U.S. officials studying the document pointed to several elements that, they say, indicate that the document may have been handled in an unusual way.

Those include the use of ellipses — punctuation indicating that information has been deleted for clarity or other reasons — that traditionally have not appeared in summaries of presidential calls with foreign leaders, according to the current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the elaborate, non-public process.

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In two of the cases when ellipses were used, they accompanied Trump’s reference to cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike, which is at the center of a conservative conspiracy theory about a computer server central to the company’s investigation of the Russian hack of Democratic Party computers that, according to those pushing the theory, is hidden away in Ukraine.

The use of ellipses in this passage fueled questions about what may have been removed and why.

The five-page document reports Trump said, “I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.”

In the third use of ellipses, Trump was asking Zelensky about a different theory — also sometimes aired in the extreme corners of the Internet and on some conservative news networks — that Democratic presidential candidate Joseph Biden had, while vice president, demanded the removal of a prosecutor looking to investigate Biden’s son Hunter.

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“Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me,” according to the call document.

The White House declined to comment Wednesday about the unusual markings or other apparent discrepancies. Shortly after the document’s release last week, a White House official had said that the ellipses did not indicate missing words but referred to “a trailing off of a voice or pause,” and called it standard practice for records of presidential phone calls.

Current and former officials said that would be slightly different from previous practice. They said when presidents simply trail off in a way that note-takers can’t hear, that point traditionally has been marked “[inaudible]." When fragments of sentences aren’t readily understood by note-takers, or when comments repeat a previous thought, they said, the transcripts had often been marked with dashes.

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Others have noted the brevity of a document purporting to represent a call that lasted 30 minutes. Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) had two of his office’s interns read the call summary aloud, measuring its length with a stopwatch app. The time: 10 minutes 40 seconds, or roughly 20 minutes shorter than the White House’s assertion about the call’s length.

“Our motivating question was: How much don't we know?” King said. “There has to be an inquiry to get to the facts."

The memorandum of Trump’s call with Zelensky appears remarkably different in speed and content from the full transcripts of calls between President Trump and foreign leaders The Washington Post obtained in 2017.

The transcript of a 24-minute call with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, in which both the participants spoke English, included roughly 3,200 words, or about 133 words per minute. A 53-minute call with then-Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, in which both Trump and the Mexican president spoke through interpreters, included roughly 5,500 words, or about 102 words per minute.

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The White House summary of Trump’s 30-minute call with Zelensky — which included interpreters because Zelensky spoke Ukrainian while Trump spoke English — includes fewer than 2,000 words, or roughly 65 words per minute. That suggests that the rough transcript of the Zelensky call includes about half the number of words that would be expected if the call had proceeded at the same or similar pace as the previous calls.

It was unclear whether the interpretation of the Zelensky call occurred simultaneously as the presidents were speaking or took place after a participant had finished speaking. The latter would have affected the speed of the conversation.

(Neither the Turnbull nor the Peña Nieto transcript included ellipses.)

The record of the presidential call with Zelensky, which is labeled “MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION,” was marked as having been produced by note-takers in the White House Situation Room, as is standard for calls with foreign leaders. The record, however, is unusual for lacking a tracking number that would normally indicate it had been circulated to senior subject experts and the national security adviser’s office for review and edits. Instead of a “package” number, the memo released by the White House carries a stamp saying: “PkgNumberShort.”

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The document additionally carries classification markings that Situation Room staffers do not normally add when they create a word-for-word transcript, current and former officials said.

“I thought to myself, ‘This didn’t go through the normal process,’ ” said one former government official who was among several who handled these records and found the document released by the White House curious.

The whistleblower said in his complaint that multiple U.S. officials had alerted him that “senior White House officials had intervened to ‘lock down’ all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced — as is customary — by the White House Situation Room. This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.“

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Such phone calls also typically create at least two types of documents: a verbatim transcript made by note-takers in the White House Situation Room and an edited summary that is more widely circulated.

“The one that was released is not the one the Situation Room created,” said one person familiar with the creation of records of calls with foreign leaders who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the secretive process. “That’s just not possible.”

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Just like it was collusion...just like it was obstruction...just like Kavanaugh...???.....media keeps lying

So there better be a crime such as quid pro quo...but it doesn’t look like it

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[quote=Chico23231;1232728]Just like it was collusion...just like it was obstruction...just like Kavanaugh...???.....media keeps lying

So there better be a crime such as quid pro quo...but it doesn’t look like it[/quote]

No, you're right Chico. Just trying to coerce the President of the Ukraine into helping you defeat an opponent in the next election by withholding 400 million of aid isn't enough. We have to prove they were working in tandem to defeat Joe Biden (who is so old he will probably defeat himself anyways) for this to go anywhere.

Also can you clarify who's lying: Is it the media or the democrat spy whistleblower who needs to be exposed because Trump has the right to face his accuser?

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There was no quid quo pro...it’s not in the transcripts and confirmed by the Ukrainians

Remember, the Pres didn’t have the release any of the transcripts...it within his executive power to keep them confidential. Also the nyt fake news report about pressuring Australia was quickly crushed by a letter from the Australian government offering help to investigate mueller report origin.

I would suggest the referencing Clinton era Ukraine Treaty 106-16 which Biden voted in favor of...

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[quote=Chico23231;1232745]There was no quid quo pro...it’s not in the transcripts and confirmed by the Ukrainians

Remember, the Pres didn’t have the release any of the transcripts...it within his executive power to keep them confidential. Also the nyt fake news report about pressuring Australia was quickly crushed by a letter from the Australian government offering help to investigate mueller report origin.

I would suggest the referencing Clinton era Ukraine Treaty 106-16 which Biden voted in favor of...[/quote]

............and right on cue , fake new, fake news media , it's effing laughable to watch you try to defend trumps crimes. Chico your [B]hate filled[/B] bias is showing.

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[quote=Giantone;1232748]............and right on cue , fake new, fake news media , it's effing laughable to watch you try to defend trumps crimes. Chico your [B]hate filled[/B] bias is showing.[/quote]

So the mainstream media didn't perpetuate fake theories and fake narratives concerning the Russian collusion and obstruction fairy tales? What about the lies and fake narratives in the Kavanaugh which continues to this day: [url]https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/new-york-times-corrects-story-detailing-misconduct-claim-against-brett-kavanaugh/[/url] "New York Times corrects story detailing misconduct claim against Brett Kavanaugh" Sept 16th

The Covington Kids and continuous fake racial hoaxes lies they spread without doing any research or fact gathering?

Folks, we don't need to worry about Russia, the mainstream media has pushed lies and false narratives seeking to undermine the administration since day 1.

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[quote=Chico23231;1232752]So the mainstream media didn't perpetuate fake theories and fake narratives concerning the Russian collusion and obstruction fairy tales? What about the lies and fake narratives in the Kavanaugh which continues to this day: [url]https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/new-york-times-corrects-story-detailing-misconduct-claim-against-brett-kavanaugh/[/url] "New York Times corrects story detailing misconduct claim against Brett Kavanaugh" Sept 16th

The Covington Kids and continuous fake racial hoaxes lies they spread without doing any research or fact gathering?

Folks, we don't need to worry about Russia, the mainstream media has pushed lies and false narratives seeking to undermine the administration since day 1.[/quote]


chico you're past the tin foil hat stage.............

[IMG]https://www.thepubliceditor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Tinfoil_Hat_House_The_Truth_Is_Out_There.png[/IMG]

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For argument's sake, on both sides (DO NOT MENTION FOX NEWS OR CNN OR YOU GET NEGATIVE POINTS), find some neutral sources (many, many of them exist) and tell me there's not still a MAJOR issue with what went down.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1232767]For argument's sake, on both sides (DO NOT MENTION FOX NEWS OR CNN OR YOU GET NEGATIVE POINTS), find some neutral sources (many, many of them exist) and tell me there's not still a MAJOR issue with what went down.[/quote]

This is an interesting take...................


[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-call-ukraine-s-zelenskiy-worries-anti-corruption-activists-n1060646[/url]


This timeline breakdown is another good one.............

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/24/full-trump-ukraine-timeline-now/[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1232777]This is an interesting take...................


[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-call-ukraine-s-zelenskiy-worries-anti-corruption-activists-n1060646[/url]


This timeline breakdown is another good one.............

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/24/full-trump-ukraine-timeline-now/[/url][/quote]

LOL....from your first article : "There's a certain feeling of injustice"

FACT: Based on our treaty there is NO injustice. YOU can FEEL all you want, but FACTS trump that feeling.

Sorry

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Chico I can't decide if you're gullible, stupid, or delusional. But it's definitely one of those.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1232767]For argument's sake, on both sides (DO NOT MENTION FOX NEWS OR CNN OR YOU GET NEGATIVE POINTS), find some neutral sources (many, many of them exist) [B]and tell me there's not still a MAJOR issue with what went down[/B].[/quote]

I agree and it looks terrible. But was there a quid pro quo? that's a crime, I just need evidence...and folks should go to jail.

I just don't like the framing.

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[quote=Chico23231;1232782]I agree and it looks terrible. But was there a quid pro quo? that's a crime, I just need evidence...and folks should go to jail.

I just don't like the framing.[/quote]

Punishments like jail time will work their way out as an impeachment inquiry moves forward and more facts are brought to light. But set aside whether you think a crime was actually committed by the president for a second. I'd like to ask you whether you think you could vote for Trump again in 2020, knowing what you know now, having read the transcripts of the conversations with the Ukrainian president?

For crimes to result in punishment, our criminal justice system requires evidence. But voters don't, they just need to side with whichever candidate is more appealing (or, the lesser of two evils).

Given how bad you say this looks, could you vote for Trump again?

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[quote=Schneed10;1232784]Punishments like jail time will work their way out as an impeachment inquiry moves forward and more facts are brought to light. But set aside whether you think a crime was actually committed by the president for a second. I'd like to ask you whether you think you could vote for Trump again in 2020, knowing what you know now, having read the transcripts of the conversations with the Ukrainian president?

For crimes to result in punishment, our criminal justice system requires evidence. But voters don't, they just need to side with whichever candidate is more appealing (or, the lesser of two evils).

Given how bad you say this looks, could you vote for Trump again?[/quote]

I think the whistler blower inquiry is legit and from matching what he said to the transcripts...most things match up. I don't think there is pressuring or a qpq...David French had a good article and said as a prosecutor he could walk it towards back starching. Its a stretch given executive powers. BUT its strange where multiple first hand accounts...state department and others were on the call listening in, would we think trump would commit an obvious crime in front of an audience?

Voting, meh too early to say. I listen to all the arguments...several have been eliminated and they are the socialist.

And hope Bernie gets better, he provides strong points of view even if I disagree with 98% of them. But want him to get well, he's a good dude at heart.

And to add, I might be delusional...I’ve been up since 430 and running reports and sql st since 6...coverage issue...my coffee intake is at heart attack level

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[quote=Chico23231;1232787]I think the whistler blower inquiry is legit and from matching what he said to the transcripts...most things match up. I don't think there is pressuring or a qpq...David French had a good article and said as a prosecutor he could walk it towards back starching. Its a stretch given executive powers. BUT its strange where multiple first hand accounts...state department and others were on the call listening in, would we think trump would commit an obvious crime in front of an audience?

Voting, meh too early to say. I listen to all the arguments...several have been eliminated and they are the socialist.

And hope Bernie gets better, he provides strong points of view even if I disagree with 98% of them. But want him to get well, he's a good dude at heart.

And to add, I might be delusional...I’ve been up since 430 and running reports and sql st since 6...coverage issue...my coffee intake is at heart attack level[/quote]

Chico,

If the whistler blower is BS it will be discovered that's not for trump to decide and for him to say he wants to meet him is witness tampering the law is the law and it protects the whistle blower like it or not .Giuliani is trumps biggest nightmare ,he can't shut up.
Trump today asked china to investigate Biden....he is openly inviting other countries to interfere with our elections no press made that up turn on any station and you hear it for yourself. Trump has gone off the deep end and I believe it's becuase he knows he has gotten caught. Nixon acted the same way but not to this degree.

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[quote=Chico23231;1232779]LOL....from your first article : "There's a certain feeling of injustice"

FACT: Based on our treaty there is NO injustice. YOU can FEEL all you want, but FACTS trump that feeling.

Sorry[/quote]

LOL, from those two article's and video's .........that's what you took away??????:stop:

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[quote=Giantone;1232810]Chico,

If the whistler blower is BS it will be discovered that's not for trump to decide and for him to say he wants to meet him is witness tampering the law is the law and it protects the whistle blower like it or not .Giuliani is trumps biggest nightmare ,he can't shut up.
Trump today asked china to investigate Biden....he is openly inviting other countries to interfere with our elections no press made that up turn on any station and you hear it for yourself. Trump has gone off the deep end and I believe it's becuase he knows he has gotten caught. Nixon acted the same way but not to this degree.[/quote]

I think its foolish to talk about Trump's character, he's unlikeable in every way..

But we need to understand what already happening...if there was an actual charge, it would be in the courts. Dems know there are no charges, laws unbroken...so they are moving to a "show" in attempts to hurt Trump electability. The 3rd hand account of the whistleblower's statement and Trump transcript (which He chose to make public...didn't hide or cover-up, etc.) are available...we need a crime now. You cant move the goal post now because trump is a despicable character, orange-man bad, or feelings hurt cause he was elected.



The U.S. Constitution provides impeachment as the method for removing the president, vice president, federal judges, and other federal officials from office. The impeachment process begins in the House of Representatives and follows these steps:
1.The House Judiciary Committee holds hearings and, if necessary, prepares articles of impeachment. [B][U]These are the charges against the official.[/U][/B]2.If a majority of the committee votes to approve the articles, the whole House debates and votes on them.
3.If a majority of the House votes to impeach the official on any article, then the official must then stand trial in the Senate.
4.[B]For the official to be removed from office, two-thirds of the Senate must vote to convict the official. Upon conviction, the official is automatically removed from office and, if the Senate so decides, may be forbidden from holding governmental office again.[/B]

The impeachment process is political in nature, not criminal. Congress has no power to impose criminal penalties on impeached officials. But criminal courts may try and punish officials if they have committed crimes.

The Constitution sets specific grounds for impeachment. They are “treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.” To be impeached and removed from office, the House and Senate must find that the official committed one of these acts.




Certainly if the President verbalized or wrote a threat to Ukrainian officials and in return provided/withheld aid...then that's a crime. From everything ive seen, this hasn't happened. Maybe something emerges...but don't you think we would have heard or known by now?

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

Interesting artical.............


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-nixon-gop-015041935.html[/url]


In The End, Nixon Walked Away For The Good Of His Party. Would Trump?


When the end came and Republicans told him they could not save him, President Richard Nixon agreed to walk away, in large measure for the good of his party.

Forty-five years later, what might the GOP expect from its current president accused of trying to rig a presidential election in his favor, should Donald Trump’s standing deteriorate to a similar level?

“He will burn it to the ground,” predicted one former Trump White House official.