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[quote=punch it in;1236827]Fuck big agriculture. And 80 percent of Americans are completely unaffected by the stock market. Are you trying to distract us from the damming testimony we are hearing about the most corrupt individual of our time?[/quote]

Yes he is,...................he won't even acknowledge that trump has very little to do with the market.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236823]China Lifts Ban on American Poultry

[url]https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-agriculture-braun/column-china-lifting-us-poultry-ban-welcome-news-amid-trade-war-idUKKBN1XP12W[/url]

big-ly win here for US agric...stock market on fire lately as well. Good to see China start to get in line[/quote]
Chico,.............how are the Soy Bean Farmers doing?

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Republicans are in meltdown mode. Trump threatens a witness as she is testifying in front of Congress , Kelly Anne Conway blows up and Stone gets nailed on all counts. Hell of a day and should be a hell of a tweet weekend!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1236830]So why do you hate the people who produce the food you eat?



And actually a slight majority of all Americans own stock, therefore are affected. So you are just full of shit.[/QUOTE]



First of all I don’t eat meat or dairy so ....
Second of all big ag is absolutely killing the planet - i know - liberal vegan who is worried about the environment- [emoji849] and the small local farmers are getting their asses handed to them because of the great American hero that tweets out bullshit about China and the economy and it gets swallowed up by the sheep and spread like the gospel. When are you going to learn that whatever he says is actually the exact opposite of what is real?

Second of all 401k’s going up and down is not who is benefiting from Wall St. It is the rich. The majority of Americans certainly is not so...

Third of all “so you’re full of shit” is a very Trumpian comeback even though you aren’t one...lol

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Lol ^ punch I love yo brother but this thinking is flawed in multiple ways.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236862]Lol ^ punch I love yo brother but this thinking is flawed in multiple ways.[/quote]

........yeah, it's not your way of thinking right, so it's flawed:doh:

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1236862]Lol ^ punch I love yo brother but this thinking is flawed in multiple ways.[/QUOTE]



Love you more [emoji3590]

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Chico , is this another "bigly win " or another slap in the face for this country becuase of trump?



[url]https://my.xfinity.com/video/russia-moves-into-syria-after-u-s-troops-withdraw/333799/Comcast/ccx_NBC_new?player=ccx[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1236893]Chico , is this another "bigly win " or another slap in the face for this country becuase of trump?







[url]https://my.xfinity.com/video/russia-moves-into-syria-after-u-s-troops-withdraw/333799/Comcast/ccx_NBC_new?player=ccx[/url][/QUOTE]



Amazing the absolute damage this guy can do to the democracy of our country and he tweets that China is this, and stocks are that and people go oh ok than....
It is just absolutely asinine.

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Trump now selling Ambassadorships ..........................



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/possible-pay-play-scheme-trump-053951762.html[/url]


Possible pay-to-play scheme for Trump ambassador post uncovered
CBSNews 7 hours ago
[B]PAY to PLAY..............[/B]
A CBS News investigation has uncovered a possible pay-for-play scheme involving the Republican National Committee and President Donald Trump's nominee for ambassador to the Bahamas. Emails obtained by CBS News show the nominee, San Diego billionaire Doug Manchester, was asked by the RNC to donate half a million dollars as his confirmation in the Senate hung in the balance, chief investigative correspondent Jim Axelrod reports.

When who is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration.

Robin Bernstein who serves in the Dominican Republic and Lana Marks in South Africa have both been members of Trump's Mar-a-Lago club where it costs $200,000 to join.

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[quote=Giantone;1237159]Trump now selling Ambassadorships ..........................



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/possible-pay-play-scheme-trump-053951762.html[/url]


Possible pay-to-play scheme for Trump ambassador post uncovered
CBSNews 7 hours ago
[B]PAY to PLAY..............[/B]
A CBS News investigation has uncovered a possible pay-for-play scheme involving the Republican National Committee and President Donald Trump's nominee for ambassador to the Bahamas. Emails obtained by CBS News show the nominee, San Diego billionaire Doug Manchester, was asked by the RNC to donate half a million dollars as his confirmation in the Senate hung in the balance, chief investigative correspondent Jim Axelrod reports.

When who is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration.

Robin Bernstein who serves in the Dominican Republic and Lana Marks in South Africa have both been members of Trump's Mar-a-Lago club where it costs $200,000 to join.[/quote]

lolololololol.....so you really never heard how ambassadorships work? Complete non story

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Yeah G1, every president ever has been selling ambassadorships to the highest bidder for decades now. It's practically tradition at this point.

Chico, can you believe these amateurs?

G1, do you even politics bro?

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[quote=mooby;1237173]Yeah G1, every president ever has been selling ambassadorships to the highest bidder for decades now. It's practically tradition at this point.

Chico, can you believe these amateurs?

G1, do you even politics bro?[/quote]

"Barack Obama’s ambassador legacy: plum postings for big donors"

[url]https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/barack-obamas-ambassador-legacy-plum-postings-for-big-donors/[/url]

its a known practice which isn't right, but the media continues to pump fake news stories to those who simply don't know the swamp.

SAD!

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[quote=Chico23231;1237182]"Barack Obama’s ambassador legacy: plum postings for big donors"

[url]https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/barack-obamas-ambassador-legacy-plum-postings-for-big-donors/[/url]

its a known practice which isn't right, but the media continues to pump fake news stories to those who simply don't know the swamp.

SAD![/quote]

That's it,that's all you can come up with ..."fake news",.............man chico trump really has you down.

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New rule for Bigly....no more teleprompters. He is at his best when its off the dome, impromptu, riffing and ripping.

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In the Eyes of the World ..trump is a fool!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/nato-leaders-caught-camera-mocking-trump-081102749.html[/url]


NATO leaders caught on camera mocking Trump

Watford (United Kingdom) (AFP) - The leaders of Britain, Canada, France and the Netherlands have been caught on camera at a Buckingham Palace reception mocking US President Donald Trump's lengthy media appearances ahead of Wedensday's NATO summit.

The footage, shot by the British host's camera pool on Tuesday evening and spotted and subtitled by Canada's CBC, set the tone for the allies' summit in Watford, just outside London.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson can be heard asking France's President Emmanuel Macron: "Is that why you were late?"

Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau interjects: "He was late because he takes a 40 minute press conference off the top."

Earlier Tuesday, Macron's one-on-one pre-summit meeting with Trump had been proceeded by a lengthy question and answer session with the media, as the leaders publicly disagreed about NATO strategy and trade.

In the video, Macron appears to tell an anecdote about the encounter as Britain's Princess Anne and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte look on, but the French leader's back is to camera and he is inaudible amid the hubbub.

"Oh, yeah, yeah, he announced..." an amused Trudeau declares, adding: "You just watched his team's jaw drop to the floor."

As he did at last year's NATO meeting, Trump has thrown out normal summit protocol and used his appearances with allied leaders to field dozens of questions from the world's media.

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That's rich coming from Trudeau, the black face guy on multiple videos even in his late twenties. Its hilarious liberals don't say shit and support him. What a disgrace, and even more disgraceful is his hypocritical supporters.

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About the same as people not saying shit about the stuff Trump has said, did, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Everyone has made mistakes in the past, and should be criticized fairly for them. Trump does stupid shit literally every. single. day. and his supporters each it up like it's mother's milk.

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[quote=Chico23231;1238387]That's rich coming from Trudeau, the black face guy on multiple videos even in his late twenties. Its hilarious liberals don't say shit and support him. What a disgrace, and even more disgraceful is his hypocritical supporters.[/quote]

Chico , you mean to say you still haven't bought a mirror to look into? Like all republicans the more you back trump the dumber your entire party looks,if some don't break ranks and flip on trump the party will be crushed.

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This is for chico trying to hijack the impeachment thread.............



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/781f81e8-8db8-36e1-b3dc-794b839fb5e6/trump-didn%E2%80%99t-win-time%E2%80%99s.html[/url]

Trump didn’t win Time’s ‘Person of the Year,’ so he mocks the teen who did



Donald Trump supporters were left aghast — shocked! last week when Professor Pamela Karlan had the nerve to crack wise about the president's young son, Barron, during the impeachment hearing in Washington D.C. After all, he's just a kid. Melania Trump, who created the #BeBest anti-bullying campaign, was quick to scold her for such a clear transgression.


......yet her husband can do it freely?

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I love that an old man is triggered by a kid

Pathetic


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Triggered by a kid with a disability. What an absolute piece of shit.

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[quote=punch it in;1239310]Triggered by a kid with a disability. What an absolute piece of shit.[/quote]

I can't remember, who was it that said bringing kids into political discussions is below the belt?

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[quote=mooby;1239321]I can't remember, who was it that said bringing kids into political discussions is below the belt?[/quote]

Lol...you equate an activist who seeks the public stage, being used as a prop by her handlers with Barron Trump? It’s this type of lazy thinking that I expect from Fredo Cuomo or the sexual assaulting Don Lemon, not you mooby

Is trump an ass? That’s never been in dispute, he should shut his mouth and congratulate her.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1239351]Lol...you equate an activist who seeks the public stage, being used as a prop by her handlers with Barron Trump? It’s this type of lazy thinking that I expect from Fredo Cuomo or the sexual assaulting Don Lemon, not you mooby



Is trump an ass? That’s never been in dispute, he should shut his mouth and congratulate her.[/QUOTE]



Well you saved yourself with that final thought, I was pretty confident you would.
She is seeking the public stage because she is trying to spread a message, and is proud of her accomplishment. How is she being used as a prop?

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[emoji3074] sometimes I think you just like the way something sounds when you type it and want to hammer home your point without actually realizing what you are saying. Politically speaking not football related. Generally couldn’t agree more with you over there.

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This is just ridiculous when is this administration learn you don't fuck with the Black Panther?

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/usda-tariff-tracker-removes-wakanda-fictional-home-black-panther-free-n1104231[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1239987]This is just ridiculous when is this administration learn you don't fuck with the Black Panther?

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/usda-tariff-tracker-removes-wakanda-fictional-home-black-panther-free-n1104231[/url][/quote]

Ivank is gonna be pissed!

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Trump’s Mar-A-Lago Winter Vacation Pushes Taxpayer Golf Tab Above $118 million


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-golf-again-mar-a-lago-118-million-192916365.html[/url]


President Donald Trump has pushed his taxpayer-funded golf tab past $118 million on his 26th visit to Mar-a-Lago, his for-profit resort in Palm Beach, Florida, with a Saturday visit to his course in neighboring West Palm Beach.

The new total is the equivalent of 296 years of the $400,000 presidential salary that his supporters often boast that he is not taking.

And of that $118.3 million, at least several million has gone into Trump’s own cash registers, as Secret Service agents, White House staff and other administration officials stay and eat at his hotels and golf courses.

The exact amount going into Trump’s pocket cannot be determined because the White House refuses to reveal how many Trump aides have been staying at his properties when he visits them and the administration will not turn over receipts for the charges incurred.

Trump’s White House on Saturday also ignored queries regarding Trump’s golf partners, continuing its practice of keeping that information secret unless he plays with a celebrity or with Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.). Previous administrations routinely disclosed the president’s golf partners

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You're just jelly because you can't game the system the way Trump has. It's why he's such a successful businessman.

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[quote=mooby;1240105]You're just jelly because you can't game the system the way Trump has. It's why he's such a successful businessman.[/quote]

To that I agree ,he has no soul ,he lacks ethics. I could never do what he has done to people in business.

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[url]https://www.newsweek.com/2020/01/17/john-durham-investigating-fbi-bill-barr-trump-1478581.html[/url]

Winter is coming folks...his name is John Durham. The great thing about him is he truly nonpartisan...working for the Obama administration in the past.

From the story:

And then, for John Durham, all hell broke loose. (Durham declined to speak for this story, but Newsweek spoke to more than 15 colleagues, friends and former Justice Department officials.)

The attorney general put out a statement saying he disagreed with Horowitz's conclusion regarding the investigation's start. He said the IG's brief did not extend widely enough for him to reach such a conclusion. Durham's investigation—which includes looking not only into the FBI but the CIA as well as other foreign intelligence agencies—does have the proper scope.

Thirty minutes later, the famously close-mouthed Durham, in the middle of his investigation, issued his own statement: "Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing…we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened."

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Not a surprise to me although it is to some.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-tariffs-cost-consumers-163409804.html[/url]

Confirmed: American businesses and consumers are paying 'approximately 100%' of Trump tariff costs


President Trump made over 100 claims about China and tariffs in 2019, stating that Beijing was paying “tremendous amounts of tariffs.” However, new research from the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) found the opposite.

The Trump administration has placed tariffs on $550 billion worth of imports from China, and China has slapped tariffs on $185 billion worth of imports from the U.S. since the trade war between the two countries began in March 2018.

On August 3, 2019, Trump claimed that “our consumer is paying nothing” in regard to the tariffs, but NBER stated that “approximately 100% of these import taxes have been passed on to U.S. importers and consumers.”

American consumers and businesses paid at least $42 billion for the tariffs as of October 2019, according to an analysis from Tariffs Hurt the Heartland (THH). In October 2019, the trade war cost an additional $7.2 billion through tariffs, an $1 billion increase from October 2018.

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Trump should shut his mouth about Roger Stone...just so freaking dumb. He creates so much problems with his big mouth.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244624]Trump should shut his mouth about Roger Stone...just so freaking dumb. He creates so much problems with his big mouth.[/quote]

Am I missing something other than what has already happened with the prosecutors quitting?

Who actually believes there's an alternative explanation where Barr or someone from the Justice Dept. didn't change their recommendation to please Trump?

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[quote=mooby;1244635]Am I missing something other than what has already happened with the prosecutors quitting?

Who actually believes there's an alternative explanation where Barr or someone from the Justice Dept. didn't change their recommendation to please Trump?[/quote]

Trump tweeted more about it. Shocking...

as for the question about changing the recommendation, the Washington Post said
[quote]Federal guidelines typically call for a sentence ranging from 15 to 21 months for first-time offenders convicted of obstruction offenses, such as lying to Congress, making false statements and witness tampering, as Stone was[/quote]

so 7-9 years seems pretty out of touch with what the guidelines might be. My guess is they called the each count to run consecutive versus concurrent, and the only reason to do that is vindictiveness at a failed effort to get Trump.

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[quote=mooby;1244635]Am I missing something other than what has already happened with the prosecutors quitting?

Who actually believes there's an alternative explanation where Barr or someone from the Justice Dept. didn't change their recommendation to please Trump?[/quote]

Not really...its all just dumb Trump. Its funny how he said he wanted "to drain the swamp", yet he was consulted by Roger Stone at one point and then hired Manafort. Both Stone and Manafort help create the Swamp and DC political culture of a cesspool.

They both finally got caught...how about just deal with the Presidency and stop tweeting dumb shit.

Ive stated this before...Watch the Netflix doc on Roger Stone...its like "Get me Roger Stone" or something along the lines. Its great to see the story, the guy is a mythical creature.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244638]Trump tweeted more about it. Shocking...

as for the question about changing the recommendation, the Washington Post said


so 7-9 years seems pretty out of touch with what the guidelines might be. My guess is they called the each count to run consecutive versus concurrent, and the only reason to do that is vindictiveness at a failed effort to get Trump.[/quote]

Its normal protocol to run the suggested sentencing up the chain in the DOJ...these guys didn't. That's from what Im reading

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[url]https://www.lawfareblog.com/prosecutors-amend-roger-stone-sentencing-recommendation[/url]

^^ the actual "supplemental" memo filed today. I worked with MD state guidelines before and it can be technical. I filled out the forms etc. One check in a box can escalate things quickly. in MD, the defense atty has a chance to review and talk w the ASA about it. What they scored, didnt score etc.
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The Govt's new filing states that the previous guideline recommendation of "87 to 108 months" was technically correct but it argues that,

(1) the biggest sentence enhancement of "threatening to cause physical injury" to a witness really stemmed from a very light version of physical threat as the victim/witness testified he "never felt stone was a real physical threat to him or his dog".

(2) guidelines are only guidelines and Court has discretion to fashion justice on a case by case basis.

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it read like a defendant's sentencing memorandum.

I would guess this is the only brief EVER written by the prosecution that the carefully crafted Federal Sentencing Guidelines are only recommendations and the Court is not bound by them.

I would guess every federal criminal defense atty is equally happy and shocked.

Shocked that the govt now is flying the "its just a guideline not law" flag after they themselves make that argument every time only to have the govt and judges dismiss such a notion.

Happy in that they will cut and paste and cite to this memorandum EVERY SINGLE TIME they file their own sent memo on their cases.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1244651][url]https://www.lawfareblog.com/prosecutors-amend-roger-stone-sentencing-recommendation[/url]



^^ the actual "supplemental" memo filed today. I worked with MD state guidelines before and it can be technical. I filled out the forms etc. One check in a box can escalate things quickly. in MD, the defense atty has a chance to review and talk w the ASA about it. What they scored, didnt score etc.

-----------------

The Govt's new filing states that the previous guideline recommendation of "87 to 108 months" was technically correct but it argues that,



(1) the biggest sentence enhancement of "threatening to cause physical injury" to a witness really stemmed from a very light version of physical threat as the victim/witness testified he "never felt stone was a real physical threat to him or his dog".



(2) guidelines are only guidelines and Court has discretion to fashion justice on a case by case basis.



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it read like a defendant's sentencing memorandum.



I would guess this is the only brief EVER written by the prosecution that the carefully crafted Federal Sentencing Guidelines are only recommendations and the Court is not bound by them.



I would guess every federal criminal defense atty is equally happy and shocked.



Shocked that the govt now is flying the "its just a guideline not law" flag after they themselves make that argument every time only to have the govt and judges dismiss such a notion.



Happy in that they will cut and paste and cite to this memorandum EVERY SINGLE TIME they file their own sent memo on their cases.[/QUOTE]Reading that brief it sounds like they were suggesting 3-4 years would be right with no escalations, but "left it to the court" to make a decision. That doesn't sound like abolishing justice.


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