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So, turning the title around, I am curious to everyone on here,

When is enough - enough. I mean in terms of the daily outrage of the cnn's and msnbc's of the world as it relates to the democratic base. At any point does the constant clarion call for investigations that lead to minor successes at best ever wear thin? or does the democratic base feed off them?

The equivalent is true for when Obama was in office and the republican base screamed Benghazi or during the election the chants of Lock Her Up and Fox news' complicity.

Will we as a nation ever move beyond that, or is that where we are now.

The bar is so low that a mere tweet can spark a 24 hour news cycle and the hatred so strong on both sides that a misplaced sneeze can lead to calls of senate hearings or house staged walkouts.

It is both sides, and it is phony to the nth degree, but it is how they work up both bases, knowing nothing will ever come from them...

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I’ve tuned out. Other than watching the nightly news I don’t pay much attention. When I read the paper I skip most anything political.


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[quote=MTK;1244694]I’ve tuned out. Other than watching the nightly news I don’t pay much attention. When I read the paper I skip most anything political.


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I wish I could. The trump presidency is like watching a train wreck in slow motion, you should turn away but you just can't.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244692]So, turning the title around, I am curious to everyone on here,

When is enough - enough. I mean in terms of the daily outrage of the cnn's and msnbc's of the world as it relates to the democratic base. At any point does the constant clarion call for investigations that lead to minor successes at best ever wear thin? or does the democratic base feed off them?

The equivalent is true for when Obama was in office and the republican base screamed Benghazi or during the election the chants of Lock Her Up and Fox news' complicity.

Will we as a nation ever move beyond that, or is that where we are now.

The bar is so low that a mere tweet can spark a 24 hour news cycle and the hatred so strong on both sides that a misplaced sneeze can lead to calls of senate hearings or house staged walkouts.

It is both sides, and it is phony to the nth degree, but it is how they work up both bases, knowing nothing will ever come from them...[/quote]

Perhaps when we stop letting the 20% crazies on the extreme left and right control the narrative.

I think there is like 60% of this country that is normal and moderate but just doesnt have the time or interest in engaging with crazy people. To busy going to work, hanging with family, enjoying the weekend etc.

We should have to decide between moderate candidates like Kasich, Biden, Obama, Paul Ryan, Romney etc ... instead we get to choose between dumb ass Trump or crazy ass Bernie.

Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

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[quote=SunnySide;1244704]Perhaps when we stop letting the 20% crazies on the extreme left and right control the narrative.

I think there is like 60% of this country that is normal and moderate but just doesnt have the time or interest in engaging with crazy people. To busy going to work, hanging with family, enjoying the weekend etc.

We should have to decide between moderate candidates like Kasich, Biden, Obama, Paul Ryan, Romney etc ... instead we get to choose between dumb ass Trump or crazy ass Bernie.

Squeeky wheel gets the oil.[/quote]

Pretty great post. Agree all around.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244692]So, turning the title around, I am curious to everyone on here,

When is enough - enough. I mean in terms of the daily outrage of the cnn's and msnbc's of the world as it relates to the democratic base. At any point does the constant clarion call for investigations that lead to minor successes at best ever wear thin? or does the democratic base feed off them?

The equivalent is true for when Obama was in office and the republican base screamed Benghazi or during the election the chants of Lock Her Up and Fox news' complicity.

Will we as a nation ever move beyond that, or is that where we are now.

The bar is so low that a mere tweet can spark a 24 hour news cycle and the hatred so strong on both sides that a misplaced sneeze can lead to calls of senate hearings or house staged walkouts.

It is both sides, and it is phony to the nth degree, but it is how they work up both bases, knowing nothing will ever come from them...[/quote]

Investigations are useless, I mean Trump is basically saying right now the freedom he has as POTUS should allow him to influence any branch of gov't, even the ones that have historically tried to be partisan-free. And yet even the Republican senators that disagree with that basically say "well I hope he learns his lesson, he needs to stay off Twitter." It's a cop out, and it works. Nothing changes, the earliest opportunity we get to remove him from office is in November. Unless he does some drastic shit like escalate tensions with Iran again, I'm over what he says. I'm trying to tune out until election day.

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[quote=SunnySide;1244704][B][B][B]Perhaps when we stop letting the 20% crazies on the extreme left and right control the narrative.

I think there is like 60% of this country that is normal and moderate but just doesnt have the time or interest in engaging with crazy people.[/B][/B][/B] To busy going to work, hanging with family, enjoying the weekend etc.

We should have to decide between moderate candidates like Kasich, Biden, Obama, Paul Ryan, Romney etc ... instead we get to choose between dumb ass Trump or crazy ass Bernie.

Squeeky wheel gets the oil.[/quote]

The % of crazies keeps growing though, especially now. The 20% use to be like 10% at absolutely most on both sides, not that long ago. I'm pretty conservative, so I might actually qualify as a crazy myself. But I'm only a diehard conservative on fiscal issues. Mainly because I believe the more government we have the worst off we all are. But you're right though, its to the point where its not worth spending too much time on. At the end of the day, my life has not changed much, if at all, when Obama became President, or since Trump has become President. Still have to wake up and put my pants on one leg at a time and go to work. HTTR!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1244716] At the end of the day, my life has not changed much, if at all, when Obama became President, or since Trump has become President. Still have to wake up and put my pants on one leg at a time and go to work. HTTR![/quote]

I first voted for president in 1980 for Ronald Reagan. Not till those last two did any of them effect my life. The threat of Obamacare caused my health insurance to almost quadruple, and Trump's tariffs caused havoc for me trying to source steel and aluminum and I try to buy domestic.

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Well at least he isn't making money for his companies while president,.........oh wait ?


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-golf-mar-a-lago-taxpayers-001531310.html[/url]

Trump’s 29th Trip To Mar-a-Lago Brings Golf Tab To 334 Years Of Presidential Salary
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HuffPostFebruary 14, 2020, 7:15 PM EST
President Donald Trump returned to Mar-a-Lago on Friday evening for the 29th golf-related trip of his presidency to his for-profit Palm Beach, Florida, resort, raising his total taxpayer golf tab to $133.8 million.

That figure translates to 334 years of the presidential salary that Trump and his supporters frequently boast he is not taking.

During Barack Obama’s presidency, Trump frequently claimed he was playing golf too much and at too great an expense to taxpayers.

“I play golf to relax. My company is in great shape. @BarackObama plays golf to escape work while America goes down the drain,” Trump tweeted in December 2011.

“Can you believe that, with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf. Worse than Carter,” he wrote three years later.

As he began his own run for the White House, candidate Trump repeatedly promised that golf would never make it onto a President Trump’s schedule. “I love golf, but if I were in the White House, I don’t think I’d ever see Turnberry again. I don’t think I’d ever see Doral again,” he told a rally audience in February 2016, referring to his courses in Scotland and Miami. “I don’t ever think I’d see anything. I just want to stay in the White House and work my ass off.”

Yet after three years in office, Trump has spent two-and-a-half times as many days on a golf course as Obama had done at the same point in his first term. If Trump plays golf both Saturday and Sunday, he will have played 248 times. Obama by his 1,123rd day in office had played 92 times.

President Donald Trump departs from the White House for a weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago on Jan. 31, 2020. (Photo: Sarah Silbiger via Getty Images)
President Donald Trump departs from the White House for a weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago on Jan. 31, 2020. (Photo: Sarah Silbiger via Getty Images)
And because Trump insists on playing at courses he owns, the cost to taxpayers has been nearly four times as high as it was for Obama. More than two-thirds of Trump’s golf outings involve seven-figure trips aboard Air Force One, mainly to Florida and New Jersey, but also to Los Angeles, Ireland and Scotland. Obama, in contrast, played most of his golf on courses at military bases within a short drive of the White House.

What’s more, Trump’s insistence on playing at courses he owns and profits from has put at least a few million taxpayer dollars into Trump’s cash registers in the form of hotel room and restaurant charges for the White House staff and Secret Service agents who accompany him.

The Washington Post found recently that Trump’s business has charged the Secret Service as much as $650 a room per night at Mar-a-Lago ― more than three times the normal rate that federal employees are supposed to spend in South Florida ― and $17,000 a month for a cottage at Trump’s Bedminster, New Jersey, resort. During an early Mar-a-Lago visit, White House employees ran up a $1,006 bar tab, which taxpayers also paid.

How many taxpayer dollars precisely are flowing into Trump’s pocket is not known because the White House refuses to detail how many executive branch employees stay at Trump properties and how much they are being billed. The White House on Friday did not respond to HuffPost’s queries on the matter for this weekend’s trip.

The president is the sole beneficiary of the trust that now owns his family business. He promised during his campaign that he would separate himself from the Trump Organization should he win, but reneged on that pledge even before taking office.

Trump similarly promised he would release his tax returns when he ran for president, but he has refused to do that as well.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1244798]Well at least he isn't making money for his companies while president,.........oh wait ?





[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-golf-mar-a-lago-taxpayers-001531310.html[/url]



Trump’s 29th Trip To Mar-a-Lago Brings Golf Tab To 334 Years Of Presidential Salary

S.V. Date

HuffPostFebruary 14, 2020, 7:15 PM EST

President Donald Trump returned to Mar-a-Lago on Friday evening for the 29th golf-related trip of his presidency to his for-profit Palm Beach, Florida, resort, raising his total taxpayer golf tab to $133.8 million.



That figure translates to 334 years of the presidential salary that Trump and his supporters frequently boast he is not taking.



During Barack Obama’s presidency, Trump frequently claimed he was playing golf too much and at too great an expense to taxpayers.



“I play golf to relax. My company is in great shape. @BarackObama plays golf to escape work while America goes down the drain,” Trump tweeted in December 2011.



“Can you believe that, with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf. Worse than Carter,” he wrote three years later.



As he began his own run for the White House, candidate Trump repeatedly promised that golf would never make it onto a President Trump’s schedule. “I love golf, but if I were in the White House, I don’t think I’d ever see Turnberry again. I don’t think I’d ever see Doral again,” he told a rally audience in February 2016, referring to his courses in Scotland and Miami. “I don’t ever think I’d see anything. I just want to stay in the White House and work my ass off.”



Yet after three years in office, Trump has spent two-and-a-half times as many days on a golf course as Obama had done at the same point in his first term. If Trump plays golf both Saturday and Sunday, he will have played 248 times. Obama by his 1,123rd day in office had played 92 times.



President Donald Trump departs from the White House for a weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago on Jan. 31, 2020. (Photo: Sarah Silbiger via Getty Images)

President Donald Trump departs from the White House for a weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago on Jan. 31, 2020. (Photo: Sarah Silbiger via Getty Images)

And because Trump insists on playing at courses he owns, the cost to taxpayers has been nearly four times as high as it was for Obama. More than two-thirds of Trump’s golf outings involve seven-figure trips aboard Air Force One, mainly to Florida and New Jersey, but also to Los Angeles, Ireland and Scotland. Obama, in contrast, played most of his golf on courses at military bases within a short drive of the White House.



What’s more, Trump’s insistence on playing at courses he owns and profits from has put at least a few million taxpayer dollars into Trump’s cash registers in the form of hotel room and restaurant charges for the White House staff and Secret Service agents who accompany him.



The Washington Post found recently that Trump’s business has charged the Secret Service as much as $650 a room per night at Mar-a-Lago ― more than three times the normal rate that federal employees are supposed to spend in South Florida ― and $17,000 a month for a cottage at Trump’s Bedminster, New Jersey, resort. During an early Mar-a-Lago visit, White House employees ran up a $1,006 bar tab, which taxpayers also paid.



How many taxpayer dollars precisely are flowing into Trump’s pocket is not known because the White House refuses to detail how many executive branch employees stay at Trump properties and how much they are being billed. The White House on Friday did not respond to HuffPost’s queries on the matter for this weekend’s trip.



The president is the sole beneficiary of the trust that now owns his family business. He promised during his campaign that he would separate himself from the Trump Organization should he win, but reneged on that pledge even before taking office.



Trump similarly promised he would release his tax returns when he ran for president, but he has refused to do that as well.



This article originally appeared on HuffPost.[/QUOTE]Why give credence to HuffPost? Worse bias and fact check then Fox by thousands

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244801]Why give credence to HuffPost? Worse bias and fact check then Fox by thousands

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Ok ,when media points out facts about trump you don't like ,...........bash media while not denying story is true.Got it.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1244805]Ok ,when media points out facts about trump you don't like ,...........bash media while not denying story is true.Got it.[/QUOTE]Learned it from you, my friend.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244808]Learned it from you, my friend.

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No, you learned it from chico .

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Looks like trump is pissing off the hands that protect his lying ass..........................

[url]https://my.xfinity.com/video/tensions-growing-between-president-attorney-general/374979/Comcast/ccx_ABCNews_newest?player=ccx[/url]

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/fallout-washington-attorney-general-interview-224657004.html[/url]

When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1244692]So, turning the title around, I am curious to everyone on here,



When is enough - enough. I mean in terms of the daily outrage of the cnn's and msnbc's of the world as it relates to the democratic base. At any point does the constant clarion call for investigations that lead to minor successes at best ever wear thin? or does the democratic base feed off them?



The equivalent is true for when Obama was in office and the republican base screamed Benghazi or during the election the chants of Lock Her Up and Fox news' complicity.



Will we as a nation ever move beyond that, or is that where we are now.



The bar is so low that a mere tweet can spark a 24 hour news cycle and the hatred so strong on both sides that a misplaced sneeze can lead to calls of senate hearings or house staged walkouts.



It is both sides, and it is phony to the nth degree, but it is how they work up both bases, knowing nothing will ever come from them...[/QUOTE]



Im sorry man but do not try n make it a both sides are wrong thing. Trump is so much worse than anything this country has ever seen in the WH and it isn’t remotely close. He is a constant threat to our National security. I just hope the damage he is doing is fixable. Im not going to go in circles here bringing up all the things he does or doesn’t do that threaten our democracy because it is an exercise in futility. Just wanna go on record saying he is 100% the problem.
There is a reason this thread exists now, and didn’t 4 years ago. There is a reason that the country is divided like never before. There is a reason most everyone the guy gets around is locked up. There is a reason why suddenly everyone sees everyone else in red or blue. There is a reason why all this crazy bullshit is festering and its name is fuckin Donald Trump. Him and his loud mouth need to take a long fuckin walk far the fuck away.

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Yesterday Mr Corruption Fighter (as if anyone on either side actually believed that bullshit) freed any corrupt mother fucker who either, committed similar crimes, was sympathized with on Fox news, or spoke highly of him. Blagojevich? Are you shitting me? He withheld money from a fucking children’s hospital for a senate seat. He is literally normalizing his own swampy behavior in real time and in plain sight.

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[quote=punch it in;1244891]Yesterday Mr Corruption Fighter (as if anyone on either side actually believed that bullshit) freed any corrupt mother fucker who either, committed similar crimes, was sympathized with on Fox news, or spoke highly of him. Blagojevich? Are you shitting me? He withheld money from a fucking children’s hospital for a senate seat. He is literally normalizing his own swampy behavior in real time and in plain sight.[/quote]

.......yup, and he is going to keep on doing it ,Roger Stone is next .I bet trump thinks Charles Manson was treated unfairly also!

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[quote=punch it in;1244891]Yesterday Mr Corruption Fighter (as if anyone on either side actually believed that bullshit) freed any corrupt mother fucker who either, committed similar crimes, was sympathized with on Fox news, or spoke highly of him. Blagojevich? Are you shitting me? He withheld money from a fucking children’s hospital for a senate seat. He is literally normalizing his own swampy behavior in real time and in plain sight.[/quote]

Y u so jelly of our prez punch?

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I don't agree with the pardons/commutations, clearly done for 2 reasons
1) lay the groundwork for stone, flynn, and papadopoulos.

2) strategic for re-election. 3 major players in 3 democratic strongholds
Blago saying he is a Trumpocrat strikes into an urban base that is seeing minorities being used as pawns by the leading dem candidates
Dibartelo is a major player in california
Kerik is a nyc guy.
Trump wont win those states but i guarantee he wants desperately to win the popular vote AND electoral college vote for legacy purposes

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244945]I don't agree with the pardons/commutations, clearly done for 2 reasons
1) lay the groundwork for stone, flynn, and papadopoulos.

2) strategic for re-election. 3 major players in 3 democratic strongholds
Blago saying he is a Trumpocrat strikes into an urban base that is seeing minorities being used as pawns by the leading dem candidates
Dibartelo is a major player in california
Kerik is a nyc guy.
Trump wont win those states but i guarantee he wants desperately to win the popular vote AND electoral college vote for legacy purposes

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........................he is a lying ass hack impeached clown, that is his "legacy".

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244945]I don't agree with the pardons/commutations, clearly done for 2 reasons
1) lay the groundwork for stone, flynn, and papadopoulos.

2) strategic for re-election. 3 major players in 3 democratic strongholds
Blago saying he is a Trumpocrat strikes into an urban base that is seeing minorities being used as pawns by the leading dem candidates
Dibartelo is a major player in california
Kerik is a nyc guy.
Trump wont win those states but i guarantee he wants desperately to win the popular vote AND electoral college vote for legacy purposes

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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say none of that was Trump's idea. It was more about who you know and/or how much money you are willing to donate.

[quote=WaPo]
“You know, oftentimes — pretty much all the time — I really rely on the recommendations of people that know them,” Trump told reporters as he prepared to board Air Force One at Joint Base Andrews. He was explaining why, and how, he’d just issued seven pardons and four commutations

....

As he explained why he commuted former Democratic Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich’s sentence, Trump told reporters: “I watched his wife on television.”
Patti Blagojevich made at least seven appearances over the past two years on Fox News, appearing on the shows of Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and Jeanine Pirro, to praise the president and plead for his mercy. (Blagojevich was also a contestant on Trump's show “The Celebrity Apprentice” in 2010.)

.....

The president said the 14-year prison sentence for Blagojevich, who was caught on a wiretap talking about trying to sell Barack Obama’s vacated Senate seat to the highest bidder, was “ridiculous.”
“It was a prosecution by the same people – Comey, Fitzpatrick – the same group,” Trump told reporters on Tuesday. Last year, Trump also falsely blamed Blagojevich’s treatment on “the Comey gang and all these sleazebags.”
In fact, however, former FBI director James Comey was in the private sector during Blagojevich’s prosecution. And “Fitzpatrick” seems to be a mistaken reference to Patrick Fitzgerald, who as U.S. attorney in Chicago did prosecute Blagojevich and is indeed good friends with Comey.

....

“Paul Pogue, a construction company owner who pleaded guilty to underpaying his taxes by $473,000 and received three years probation, was issued a full pardon and clemency by the president,” the Daily Beast notes. “According to FEC filings, Pogue’s family has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct contributions and in-kind air travel to the Trump Victory Committee. Beginning in August 2019, Ben Pogue—CEO of Pogue Construction and son of Paul Pogue—and his wife Ashleigh made over $200,000 in contributions to the campaign.
“In August alone, Ben Pogue donated $85,000 to Trump Victory while Ashleigh Pogue contributed $50,000 that month. The following month, Ben Pogue made an in-kind air travel contribution of $75,404.40. The couple also made several large donations to the Republican National Committee and each donated $5,600 to Donald Trump for President Inc. On the day of their first donation to the Trump campaign, Ashleigh posted an Instagram photo of her and her husband posing with Donald Trump Jr. and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, at the Hamptons.

[/quote]

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And on the heels of my rant about the wanna be dictator being a threat to our national security we give you Richard Grenell.....smooth move [emoji849][emoji849]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1244945]I don't agree with the pardons/commutations, clearly done for 2 reasons
1) lay the groundwork for stone, flynn, and papadopoulos.

2) strategic for re-election. 3 major players in 3 democratic strongholds
Blago saying he is a Trumpocrat strikes into an urban base that is seeing minorities being used as pawns by the leading dem candidates
Dibartelo is a major player in california
Kerik is a nyc guy.
Trump wont win those states but i guarantee he wants desperately to win the popular vote AND electoral college vote for legacy purposes

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Yea because ego should be the driving force behind our democracy. Enough is probably enough now. Close this thread. Lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1244961]And on the heels of my rant about the wanna be dictator being a threat to our national security we give you Richard Grenell.....smooth move [emoji849][emoji849][/quote]

ahhhh ,another FOX ex............................. hell of a qualification.

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Here we go again. Russia is interfering in our election because they are pro Trump. He hires a Trumpocrat to oversee the IC and is again irate about these accusations. Why are they pro Trump? Who knows. Either because he is compromised- I know fake news- or because he is weak. What we do know is why Trump is upset about the IC briefings. It makes him look illegitimate. So his ego is steering our ability to stop foreign interference. Danger to democracy? A resounding YES!

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The only reason the Russians would prefer Trump over Sanders, Warren, Biden, or Buttegieg is because they understand how Democrats will continue their irrational coverages and be their "useful idiots" and throw doubt on the elections. Policy wise, as well as pure personality, Sanders would be the Russian choice by far.

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Wait so we are forgetting that they did this in 2016 before any coverage really began, and that Trump stood on the world stage n said it wasn’t Putin or gave them a foothold in the middle east? Why would Putin want the democrats to claim interference anyway? If he wanted that he could just come out and say yeah we interfered n there aint nothing you can do.

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Also if the IC is to be believed which they should be Trump was the mark in the republican race in 2016. The IC has said numerous times that Russia wants Trump. Im willing to call HIM a useful idiot and say he is simply worried about it casting illegitimacy on his election but I think it runs deeper.

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Literally every intelligence agency in the world says without a shadow of a doubt that Russia wanted Trump in 16 and now. How is it irrational for the media to cover that? Lol. What is irrational is for Trump n Fox news to disregard it. I mean come on C red. He fired the head of national security and hired an admitted trumpocrat when the IC briefed the WH on the repeated interference attempts. Putin has a puppet in trump this time because he is not willing to acknowledge the interference. In 2016 though there was a reason he wanted Trump. Any theories on that?

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Putin been there a while if ur theory that he just gets shits n giggles from dems casting doubt on a republican win why didn’t we see this before? Sorry for the multiple posts but my post count suffers in the off season. [emoji23]

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[quote=punch it in;1245060]Here we go again. Russia is interfering in our election because they are pro Trump. He hires a Trumpocrat to oversee the IC and is again irate about these accusations. Why are they pro Trump? Who knows. Either because he is compromised- I know fake news- or because he is weak. What we do know is why Trump is upset about the IC briefings. It makes him look illegitimate. So his ego is steering our ability to stop foreign interference. Danger to democracy? A resounding YES![/quote]

yes but the trump sheep will wish it away like it's all made up BS .

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1245155]yes but the trump sheep will wish it away like it's all made up BS .[/QUOTE]



Mind numbing that the sheep take the word of Donald fuckin Trump over the Intelligence agencies. I mean at what point did he gain any semblance of credibility? Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1245060]Here we go again. Russia is interfering in our election because they are pro Trump. He hires a Trumpocrat to oversee the IC and is again irate about these accusations. Why are they pro Trump? Who knows. Either because he is compromised- I know fake news- or because he is weak. What we do know is why Trump is upset about the IC briefings. It makes him look illegitimate. So his ego is steering our ability to stop foreign interference. Danger to democracy? A resounding YES![/quote]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html[/url]

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html[/url]

Russians helping the Bernie campaign.

When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1245164][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html[/url]



[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-russia.html[/url]



Russians helping the Bernie campaign.[/QUOTE]



Well maybe he is the preference if a Dem wins. That being said Bernie wouldn’t doubt the information if it came from the IA’s. Trump does for whatever reason. And if you read the article it seems to point to some sort of distraction or thinly veiled attempt to cover up their want for Trump to win actually. Good article [emoji106]

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Russia doesn't give a fuck about us, nor should they. Gotta do what's best for them.

Discourse in America is apparently beneficial to them, so they'll try anything to do it.

Somehow we ignore all prior history with Russia and pretend like only since 2016 has Russia tried to be involved with our politics.

Cold War? Never heard of her.

When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1245166]Russia doesn't give a fuck about us, nor should they. Gotta do what's best for them.



Discourse in America is apparently beneficial to them, so they'll try anything to do it.



Somehow we ignore all prior history with Russia and pretend like only since 2016 has Russia tried to be involved with our politics.



Cold War? Never heard of her.[/QUOTE]



The cold war was paranoia on both sides though and unlike it or any other alleged interference our President never publicly denounced it and certainly never took Putin or any other Russian Presidents word over his own IA’s. Well not until now.

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Anyone with half a brain knows Russia is our enemy and that they are going to conduct actions against us. That is not why it is a hoax. It is a hoax because of the way the media and dems make it seem like there is validity to the claim that Trump or Sanders are working with or for the Russians/Putin.

Also people with half a brain knew the Dems would leak this kind of story at some point before the election. My biggest shock is they played the Russia card so early, but I am sure they will play it often.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245169]Anyone with half a brain knows Russia is our enemy and that they are going to conduct actions against us. That is not why it is a hoax. It is a hoax because of the way the media and dems make it seem like there is validity to the claim that Trump or Sanders are working with or for the Russians/Putin.

Also people with half a brain knew the Dems would leak this kind of story at some point before the election. [B]My biggest shock is they played the Russia card so early[/B], but I am sure they will play it often.

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When the whole 52 card deck is all Russia, you can throw them early and often.

When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1245169]Anyone with half a brain knows Russia is our enemy and that they are going to conduct actions against us. That is not why it is a hoax. It is a hoax because of the way the media and dems make it seem like there is validity to the claim that Trump or Sanders are working with or for the Russians/Putin.

Also people with half a brain knew the Dems would leak this kind of story at some point before the election. My biggest shock is they played the Russia card so early, but I am sure they will play it often.

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He hired a loyalist with no credentials whatsoever to be the head up National Security. He did this on the heels of the IA’s report that Russia was interfering again. He did it because he knew Grenell would do whatever it takes to cast shade on the facts. For his own ego and fear of people considering his election illegitimate. Hiring a yes man to head up national security to protect your ego in itself is dangerous. It isn’t exactly on par with a walmart greeter.
He stood on the world stage next to putin and said he believed him over his own ia’s. Not a hoax. Not fake news. It fuckin happened and its strange as fuck. Fishy as fuck.