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[quote=Southpaw;226786]As I've said, last week was a team effort, but Brunell's play is magnified because he's the quarterback. And my feelings towards Brunell is far more than a knee jerk reaction to last week. He's been on the lower side of inconsistent since the end of last season. And the fact that he played well against a stingy Jacksonville defense pisses me off even more, because it almost seems like he can physically get it done, but chooses not to if it's too risky.[/quote]

I think you're close to the point but you're missing the bigger picture.

What pisses me off is how this entire offense played a week after they dominated the Jags.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226784]In that case we should be discrediting Joe Montana and Steve Young. All they did was dink and dunk and let Rice and company do all the work.[/QUOTE]

ouch another comparison to Montana? come on, i remember way too many Rice TD catches OVER HIS SHOULDER.

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[quote=Southpaw;226775]But let's just keep making excuses. It's everyone but Brunell...[/quote]

IMO, this statement is kind of asinine. It's not that I mean offense, it's just that I don't care how I sound.

Anywho, do you really think Brunell's going to get any better at this stage of his career? Asking an old dog to learn new tricks at this point doesn't make sense to me. He is what he is. The team has been designed to play a certain brand of football - geared towards what he does.

The way the team is built right now, we need the line to protect on offense, and the playmakers and Brunell will certainly do the rest. On defense, we have to have a top 10 defense that doesn't give up huge plays all the time. We have to be an attack style defense, and right now we're forced to sit back on our heels.

You're not going to change Brunell. Accept it. Win the way you're built to win.

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[quote=illdefined;226781]

come on, this is the QB position we're talking about. when a team struggles, it's PART OF THE JOB to try and singlehandedly become the team's savior. it may not be fair to expect it, but its fair to wish for it.[/quote]

No one can single handedly be the team's savior, that is why they line up eleven on each side of the ball. Wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which one gets filled.

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[quote=illdefined;226796]ouch another comparison to Montana? come on, i remember way too many Rice TD catches OVER HIS SHOULDER.[/quote]

Tell me that Rice wasn't Mr. YAC.

In fact if it weren't for Rice, I don't think we would even know what YAC is.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;226799]No one can single handedly be the team's savior, that is why they line up eleven on each side of the ball. Wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which one gets filled.[/QUOTE]

sounds er, poetic. but there are plenty of teams that are effectively one or two people. see Philly w/o McNabb or Westbrook for ex. or the redskins w/o Portis etc etc.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226801]Tell me that Rice wasn't Mr. YAC.

In fact if it weren't for Rice, I don't think we would even know what YAC is.[/QUOTE]

well, tell me Montana didn't heave it regularly. it's the ability to do both that opens up defenses. when you're two dimensional like Brunell (sidelines and dinks) you get schemed out of contention.

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My simple point was we shouldn't discredit Brunell for getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers no matter how far the ball travels through the air.

I see it far too often around here. Brunell gets bashed to death when things go wrong, and when things go well it's a very reluctant praise from some people, if any at all.

People are ridiculously biased towards the guy and I don't get it. Isn't he a Redskin? Isn't he our QB? I'm not saying he doesn't have his faults or he should be beyond criticism but damn, I just don't get where all the animosity and bias towards him comes from.

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I don't really remember Montana having the arm strength to heave it all that deep. He just managed to get the ball to somebody under impossible circumstances.
Anyway, I was just looking for the BENCH BRUNELL thread section. I know it must be around here somewhere

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there's no doubt we don't throw deep more than twice a game. which lets the other team stay somewhat closer to the line. the bigger problem is the chicken dance in the face of pressure :/ that doesn't seem to ever be going away.

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[quote=illdefined;226803]sounds er, poetic. but there are plenty of teams that are effectively one or two people. see Philly w/o McNabb or Westbrook for ex. or the redskins w/o Portis etc etc.[/quote]

If you go back and look at the Eagles last year they were missing a lot more than McNabb and Westbrook, and it seems to me that Portis was on the field for Washington against the Giants.

It's a team effort, bottom line. It's easy to blame it on one person, and there are instances where you can.

For example, take Arizona's game week before last. All Warner had to do was get the snap from the center and not fumble it. He fumbled it and they lost the game. That loss is Warners fault plain and simple. But the fact they were in the position to win the game at all wasn't because of one or two people.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226765]Do you really want him throwing the ball up for grabs? Because that's what it sounds like you're suggesting. If only beating a D was that easy and only required the QB to 'try' throwing deep.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately beating our D is that easy.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;226809]My simple point was we shouldn't discredit Brunell for getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers no matter how far the ball travels through the air.

I see it far too often around here. Brunell gets bashed to death when things go wrong, and when things go well it's a very reluctant praise from some people, if any at all.

People are ridiculously biased towards the guy and I don't get it. Isn't he a Redskin? Isn't he our QB? I'm not saying he doesn't have his faults or he should be beyond criticism but damn, I just don't get where all the animosity and bias towards him comes from.[/QUOTE]

well the problem last game was he couldn't get it in the hands of his playmakers enough. offensive line woes and the right defensive schemes attributed to all that, and those are based around his limits.

Brunell is a huge target simply because everyone knows his limits and know they're just getting bigger and bigger as each game rolls on. he's a QB in plain decline and doesn't represent the future of the franchise, so he's easy to scapegoat. he's 'in the way' of the hope that Jason Campbell represents, whose limitations aren't well known by everybody in the league already.

JC will obviously have his limits too, but in his case his youth at least allows for the potential to get better. Brunell on the other hand represents a dead end.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;226826]If you go back and look at the Eagles last year they were missing a lot more than McNabb and Westbrook, and it seems to me that Portis was on the field for Washington against the Giants.[/QUOTE]

yeah and do you remember Philly's record? yes, Portis was on the field, and as bad as it was, he represented most of our offense that game. just remember our offense this season without him, it was even worse.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;226827]Unfortunately beating our D is that easy.[/quote]

ouch, the truth hurts